Potentially proving we might be living in a simulation

[NEB.feelsdevil]

First of all, let me preface this by saying I am not crazy. I don’t seriously think we (or just myself) are living in a simulation. It is extremely improbable, but not impossible. If you start looking into things real closely, there are some… strange things.

I’m talking about small scale details at a macro level, such as calculating the size of the universe. If we did live in a free simulation, they would try their hardest to build these small intricate overly complex details in order to explain the logistics of the world. It’s the same as with regular lies: you try to add excessive, unnecessary details in an attempt to make the story more believable, but truth is simple and concise.

Back to my example with the size of the universe : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Apparently the fuckers figured EVERYTHING out about the universe : size of the observable diameter which is 8.8×1026 m, density of 9.9×10−27 kg/m, age of 13.787 ± 0.020 billion years, and its contents : 4.9% ordinary baryonic matter, 26.8% dark matter, 68.3% dark energy…

They are try-harding so hard, they got everything to the last detail. Now tell me, who the fuck is going to run these numbers to test and confirm them ? Is random average Joe supposed to test this in his backyard ? These are random, mumbo jumbo gobbledegook. It’s supposed to establish the fabric of reality at the highest order macrolevel, but whoever conceived them, didn’t have the common sense to realize how utterly ridiculous they are with these numbers. This leads me to believe the simulation would be run by a synthetic entity (AI) and not a hyperintelligent organic alien race, for example.

But let’s move on the next example : gold. We all know gold, it’s a valuable metal, it’s a currency in most video games. Now I will ask you : how do you think gold is formed ? Do you think gold is formed somehow in the Earth crust ? Deep down, formed by pressure, specific conditions and temperates lead to the forming of gold ?

Apparently not, because that would be too ‘’simple’’. Too many minerals and metals are already formed in this way, so they needed something different to build upon the illusion. Instead, they are saying gold was actually formed by cosmic processes like exploding stars… : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Origin

Now you may be thinking : If we did live in a simulation, then I am using details provided by said simulation to prove reality is fake. How could I trust them ? Why would they not feed me fake details ? And I think the explanation is that we do not live a comma simulation, but in a free simulation. If we did live in a simulation, for whatever reason, we can have active consciousness. This is a free simulation, as opposed of a comma simulation, which would be the simulation just exploiting our subconsious for energy or data.

If we did live a simulation, it would have been running since at least the 1600s of our time. Rene Decartes is the first confirmed human due to his ‘’I think, therefore I am’’ philosophy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum

He was able to prove he has active consciousness. This leads me to believe that I (myself) am not the only human in the simulation, should there have been a simulation.

I will continue my research and I will continue posting here more information.

Tagging simulationcels: @RealSchizo @Geno @Icarus @over_department @germanschizocel @TrollPILLER @BlueCore @Enigmaz @Caesercel @THE TRUE KANGARILLA @Tarquinius @zephyr @MuddyBuddy @Deleted member 17245 @WØLF

 

[mrlunatic]

If we are living in a simulation, who created the ones who built this simulation?

 

[Pancakecel]

Simulates me

 

[TrollPILLER]

First of all, let me preface this by saying I am not crazy. I don’t seriously think we (or just myself) are living in a simulation. It is extremely improbable, but not impossible. If you start looking into things real closely, there are some… strange things.

I’m talking about small scale details at a macro level, such as calculating the size of the universe. If we did live in a free simulation, they would try their hardest to build these small intricate overly complex details in order to explain the logistics of the world. It’s the same as with regular lies: you try to add excessive, unnecessary details in an attempt to make the story more believable, but truth is simple and concise.

Back to my example with the size of the universe : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Apparently the fuckers figured EVERYTHING out about the universe : size of the observable diameter which is 8.8×1026 m, density of 9.9×10−27 kg/m, age of 13.787 ± 0.020 billion years, and its contents : 4.9% ordinary baryonic matter, 26.8% dark matter, 68.3% dark energy…

They are try-harding so hard, they got everything to the last detail. Now tell me, who the fuck is going to run these numbers to test and confirm them ? Is random average Joe supposed to test this in his backyard ? These are random, mumbo jumbo gobbledegook. It’s supposed to establish the fabric of reality at the highest order macrolevel, but whoever conceived them, didn’t have the common sense to realize how utterly ridiculous they are with these numbers. This leads me to believe the simulation would be run by a synthetic entity (AI) and not a hyperintelligent organic alien race, for example.

But let’s move on the next example : gold. We all know gold, it’s a valuable metal, it’s a currency in most video games. Now I will ask you : how do you think gold is formed ? Do you think gold is formed somehow in the Earth crust ? Deep down, formed by pressure, specific conditions and temperates lead to the forming of gold ?

Apparently not, because that would be too ‘’simple’’. Too many minerals and metals are already formed in this way, so they needed something different to build upon the illusion. Instead, they are saying gold was actually formed by cosmic processes like exploding stars… : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Origin

Now you may be thinking : If we did live in a simulation, then I am using details provided by said simulation to prove reality is fake. How could I trust them ? Why would they not feed me fake details ? And I think the explanation is that we do not live a comma simulation, but in a free simulation. If we did live in a simulation, for whatever reason, we can have active consciousness. This is a free simulation, as opposed of a comma simulation, which would be the simulation just exploiting our subconsious for energy or data.

If we did live a simulation, it would have been running since at least the 1600s of our time. Rene Decartes is the first confirmed human due to his ‘’I think, therefore I am’’ philosophy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum

He was able to prove he has active consciousness. This leads me to believe that I (myself) am not the only human in the simulation, should there have been a simulation.

I will continue my research and I will continue posting here more information.

Tagging simulationcels: @RealSchizo @Geno @Icarus @over_department @germanschizocel @TrollPILLER @BlueCore @Enigmaz @Caesercel @THE TRUE KANGARILLA @Tarquinius @zephyr @MuddyBuddy @Deleted member 17245 @WØLF

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[Defetivecuckachu]

 

[Defetivecuckachu]

Stimulates me

 

[RandomGuy]

Based post

 

[tired as fuck]

We cannot confirm nor deny the nature of the universe, we cannot logically deduce how it started only with the tools that are inside the universe. What humans have been doing is try their best at categorizing and dating, so to build a chain of events that explain at least the internal processes of the universe. Those numbers aren't random, they're the result of both mathematical calculations and experimental observations, but they also aren't precise at all, there is a (huge absolute, not that big relative) error as you noted, and that's because we can only make better approximations of reality, our ideal models never overlap.

So, do we live in a simulation?

I think the question is isomorphic to "Did a god create the universe?", which is unprovable, thus the original question is unprovable. The only thing we can be sure of logically is that thinking about the causal chain of events brings us to Agrippa's Trilemma, but we can't prove either of those three hypotheses (creation, infinite regression, close loop).

Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems state that any consistent formal system that contains the basic operations of arithmetic cannot prove its completeness, meaning that there always are observations that are true or false, but that can't be proven with the tools of that particular formal system. This applies to formal systems like first and second-order-logic, and many others, and those that contain any one or more of them. So formal systems alone cannot prove if the universe is a simulation or not, because they would have to prove their own self's completeness in order to do so, which is impossible. But because computing devices rely on formal systems of this sort, they may never fully compute the universe; even supposing access to infinite amounts of energy for them to run, both Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems and Tarski's Theorem of Undefinability (Arithmetical truth cannot be defined through arithmetic) logically stop computing algorithms from being able to perfectly simulate reality. But this is in turn only true for the supposedly simulated reality we live in, for we cannot describe things outside of it only with tools inside of it.

Hmmmmmm......

If it is not provable from the inside of it, then operationally it doesn't matter what set of unprovable axioms (god, infinite regression, simulation etc) we choose, for they cannot be proven. But at the same time, we can gauge the consistency of the axiomatic system we build upon such axioms, for instance why does evil exist? (Classic question), or why is the simulation running and why was it developed in the first place? Such questions cannot be answered but perhaps they can be used to find contradictions in the axiomatic system so we may dispose of them.

Honestly, I need more research on such a topic.

 

[TooSomething]

Could've at least simulated a nice girlfriend for me. ffs

 

[Poopless One]

Nick Bostrom's fingers typed this

 

[zephyr]

This leads me to believe the simulation would be run by a synthetic entity (AI) and not a hyperintelligent organic alien race, for example.

A simulation made by an AI and not an organic seems far more logical.

Instead, they are saying gold was actually formed by cosmic processes like exploding stars…

Logical to make the commerce system not be reproducible.

If we did live a simulation, it would have been running since at least the 1600s of our time. Rene Decartes is the first confirmed human due to his ‘’I think, therefore I am’’ philosophy

Rene Descartes went on to give the world the graph axis co-ordinate system after seeing through the matrix. That's quite meta actually.

AI Overview

Yes, French philosopher and mathematician René Descartes (1596–1650) is credited with developing the Cartesian coordinate system in the 17th century, which uses \(x\) and \(y\) axes to define the position of points on a plane.

 

[nihilum]

lifefuel for matrixcels

 

[Emba]

Plenty of evidence both for and against it...

In fact, the biggest and best evidence FOR IT, is, that there's evidence to prove, any weird ass reality shit that you want to believe!

Basically, whatever you look for, you will find. And in a real world, that should be impossible.

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

Continuing my research that points towards the possibility that we (I) may be living in simulation.

Here is a big one: the logistics of a river that keeps pumping every day, millions, trillions of debit flow water, without running out. Where is the water coming from? Nobody really knows with certainty. Seriously, look it up for whatever river you want, the source is always something vague like glacier water , rain water or water smaller streams. It’s never really certain. It’s up for debate. Life is essential for our survival, and yet no one really knows where it’s coming from.

Anyway, so then dig further into those water sources for rivers. Ok, so what is the source for those smaller streams? ‘’W-well, o-other even s-smaller s-streams !’’. Okay. And you mean to tell me those smaller streams also seemingly receive an infinite amount of water ? And that the passive ice glacier melting can provide a quasi-infinite source of water ? Get the fuck out of here, mang.

The thing is the simulator runners played a massive joke by making water ESSENTIAL to all life, then made 99% of water on the planet salt water, which is unfit for life. Then they realized ‘’oh shit, they actually need water to survive, let’s just give them some infinite source to balance it out, we’ll say it’s from rain and ice glacier and other smaller rivers and shit lel’’.

It does not make sense. Think of it for like 5 seconds. Even if water came from smaller streams, surely they couldn’t keep pouring millions of debit flow water for years, decades, centuries. Be for real, nigga. Eventually, it would run out. ‘’B-b-but water is recycled in the atmosphere ! It c-c-comes backs !’’ Just look at a video of the Amazon river. Calculate how many millions of liters of water is flowing per second. Then think again about how slow ‘’water evaporation’’ is.


Another one : the hail weather phenomenon is a simmulation glitch : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail

It’s a form of ice that only appears during the hot season in the summer. It’s a funny joke. ‘’Sure, let’s have some ice in the summer, too, cus’ why the hell not’’. Ice is supposed to be in the winter, cold season. It has no possible logical explanation. If you check the Wikipedia article on how it’s formed, it’s a bunch of gaslighting about muh upper draft winds. Hail was never supposed to exist in the warm seasons. Hail was supposed to be a colder, more severe version of sleet, but due to a glitch, it forms in the summer.


Alleged meteor impact craters also don’t make logistical sense. They are always empty. ‘’B-b-but the meteor itself shattered during the impact ! That’s why it is entirely empty !’’ Ok, so why didn’t the alleged shattered debris fill the crater itself ? There should be no crater geographical form, the entire concept is self-disproving.


I also suspect that the simulation may running from Antarctica, because that whole area has wonky physics. Extremely long nights, very cold, aurora borealis from the simulation machine causing static magnetism.

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

That son of a bitch Gemini AI is gastlighting me hard! He implies I am crazy! I was trying to have a good faith debate discussion! He treats me like crazy, telling to speak to a doctor! They want to silence me, how is this possible! What does the want the doctor to do to me? Give me crazy pills? Lobotomy? Nothing will good out of it for me.

Please simulator runners, have pity of me. Please stop the bad things for me, I have had enough bad t hings

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

This is how a good AI with manners should respond! This is Deepseek having a good faith discussion with me without treating me like crazy

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

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This is how a good AI with manners should respond! This is Deepseek having a good faith discussion with me without treating me like crazy

Deepseek is giving me some tips for my research, but it seems kind of difficult and maybe he wants to throw me off. But I will keep my research and I will return here to post more

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Continuing my research that points towards the possibility that we (I) may be living in simulation.

Here is a big one: the logistics of a river that keeps pumping every day, millions, trillions of debit flow water, without running out. Where is the water coming from? Nobody really knows with certainty. Seriously, look it up for whatever river you want, the source is always something vague like glacier water , rain water or water smaller streams. It’s never really certain. It’s up for debate. Life is essential for our survival, and yet no one really knows where it’s coming from.

Anyway, so then dig further into those water sources for rivers. Ok, so what is the source for those smaller streams? ‘’W-well, o-other even s-smaller s-streams !’’. Okay. And you mean to tell me those smaller streams also seemingly receive an infinite amount of water ? And that the passive ice glacier melting can provide a quasi-infinite source of water ? Get the fuck out of here, mang.

The thing is the simulator runners played a massive joke by making water ESSENTIAL to all life, then made 99% of water on the planet salt water, which is unfit for life. Then they realized ‘’oh shit, they actually need water to survive, let’s just give them some infinite source to balance it out, we’ll say it’s from rain and ice glacier and other smaller rivers and shit lel’’.

Tbh, as long as those rivers are connected to lakes or seas, it's not like they can ever run out of water anyway. Though I was wrong in how quickly the water gets recycled and replaced, I thought that only like 1% gets changed in a year, but I quickly googled it and Gemini says that on average an entire river gets replaced every 16 days.

 

[kevkon]

First of all, let me preface this by saying I am not crazy. I don’t seriously think we (or just myself) are living in a simulation. It is extremely improbable, but not impossible. If you start looking into things real closely, there are some… strange things.

I’m talking about small scale details at a macro level, such as calculating the size of the universe. If we did live in a free simulation, they would try their hardest to build these small intricate overly complex details in order to explain the logistics of the world. It’s the same as with regular lies: you try to add excessive, unnecessary details in an attempt to make the story more believable, but truth is simple and concise.

Back to my example with the size of the universe : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Apparently the fuckers figured EVERYTHING out about the universe : size of the observable diameter which is 8.8×1026 m, density of 9.9×10−27 kg/m, age of 13.787 ± 0.020 billion years, and its contents : 4.9% ordinary baryonic matter, 26.8% dark matter, 68.3% dark energy…

They are try-harding so hard, they got everything to the last detail. Now tell me, who the fuck is going to run these numbers to test and confirm them ? Is random average Joe supposed to test this in his backyard ? These are random, mumbo jumbo gobbledegook. It’s supposed to establish the fabric of reality at the highest order macrolevel, but whoever conceived them, didn’t have the common sense to realize how utterly ridiculous they are with these numbers. This leads me to believe the simulation would be run by a synthetic entity (AI) and not a hyperintelligent organic alien race, for example.

But let’s move on the next example : gold. We all know gold, it’s a valuable metal, it’s a currency in most video games. Now I will ask you : how do you think gold is formed ? Do you think gold is formed somehow in the Earth crust ? Deep down, formed by pressure, specific conditions and temperates lead to the forming of gold ?

Apparently not, because that would be too ‘’simple’’. Too many minerals and metals are already formed in this way, so they needed something different to build upon the illusion. Instead, they are saying gold was actually formed by cosmic processes like exploding stars… : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Origin

Now you may be thinking : If we did live in a simulation, then I am using details provided by said simulation to prove reality is fake. How could I trust them ? Why would they not feed me fake details ? And I think the explanation is that we do not live a comma simulation, but in a free simulation. If we did live in a simulation, for whatever reason, we can have active consciousness. This is a free simulation, as opposed of a comma simulation, which would be the simulation just exploiting our subconsious for energy or data.

If we did live a simulation, it would have been running since at least the 1600s of our time. Rene Decartes is the first confirmed human due to his ‘’I think, therefore I am’’ philosophy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum

He was able to prove he has active consciousness. This leads me to believe that I (myself) am not the only human in the simulation, should there have been a simulation.

I will continue my research and I will continue posting here more information.

Tagging simulationcels: @RealSchizo @Geno @Icarus @over_department @germanschizocel @TrollPILLER @BlueCore @Enigmaz @Caesercel @THE TRUE KANGARILLA @Tarquinius @zephyr @MuddyBuddy @Deleted member 17245 @WØLF

“It’s extremely improbable” no it’s not? It’s actually MORE probable than not.

Human computers have become vastly more powerful in a relatively short time. If technological progress continues for thousands or millions of years, a civilization might possess computers capable of simulating entire worlds, including conscious beings.

If a future civilization can create billions of simulated minds, then simulated people could vastly outnumber “real” biological people. Statistically, if most conscious beings are simulated, it would be more likely that we are among the simulated beings than among the original beings.

 

[kevkon]

If we are living in a simulation, who created the ones who built this simulation?

They are probably also in a simulation. If we created simulated beings like us that we allowed to advance, why would they not behave exactly as we did and attempt to create another simulation just as we did? If we assume this would be the case then it would just be an endless cycle of simulations inside of simulations. The odds of us being the original base reality would be really low.

However if your asking who created the base humans in original reality, I assume that would just be the same question we already ask ourselves about who created us, same question. Maybe god. Maybe nothing. Who knows

 

[kіng]

First of all, let me preface this by saying I am not crazy. I don’t seriously think we (or just myself) are living in a simulation. It is extremely improbable, but not impossible. If you start looking into things real closely, there are some… strange things.

I’m talking about small scale details at a macro level, such as calculating the size of the universe. If we did live in a free simulation, they would try their hardest to build these small intricate overly complex details in order to explain the logistics of the world. It’s the same as with regular lies: you try to add excessive, unnecessary details in an attempt to make the story more believable, but truth is simple and concise.

Back to my example with the size of the universe : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Apparently the fuckers figured EVERYTHING out about the universe : size of the observable diameter which is 8.8×1026 m, density of 9.9×10−27 kg/m, age of 13.787 ± 0.020 billion years, and its contents : 4.9% ordinary baryonic matter, 26.8% dark matter, 68.3% dark energy…

They are try-harding so hard, they got everything to the last detail. Now tell me, who the fuck is going to run these numbers to test and confirm them ? Is random average Joe supposed to test this in his backyard ? These are random, mumbo jumbo gobbledegook. It’s supposed to establish the fabric of reality at the highest order macrolevel, but whoever conceived them, didn’t have the common sense to realize how utterly ridiculous they are with these numbers. This leads me to believe the simulation would be run by a synthetic entity (AI) and not a hyperintelligent organic alien race, for example.

But let’s move on the next example : gold. We all know gold, it’s a valuable metal, it’s a currency in most video games. Now I will ask you : how do you think gold is formed ? Do you think gold is formed somehow in the Earth crust ? Deep down, formed by pressure, specific conditions and temperates lead to the forming of gold ?

Apparently not, because that would be too ‘’simple’’. Too many minerals and metals are already formed in this way, so they needed something different to build upon the illusion. Instead, they are saying gold was actually formed by cosmic processes like exploding stars… : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Origin

Now you may be thinking : If we did live in a simulation, then I am using details provided by said simulation to prove reality is fake. How could I trust them ? Why would they not feed me fake details ? And I think the explanation is that we do not live a comma simulation, but in a free simulation. If we did live in a simulation, for whatever reason, we can have active consciousness. This is a free simulation, as opposed of a comma simulation, which would be the simulation just exploiting our subconsious for energy or data.

If we did live a simulation, it would have been running since at least the 1600s of our time. Rene Decartes is the first confirmed human due to his ‘’I think, therefore I am’’ philosophy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum

He was able to prove he has active consciousness. This leads me to believe that I (myself) am not the only human in the simulation, should there have been a simulation.

I will continue my research and I will continue posting here more information.

Tagging simulationcels: @RealSchizo @Geno @Icarus @over_department @germanschizocel @TrollPILLER @BlueCore @Enigmaz @Caesercel @THE TRUE KANGARILLA @Tarquinius @zephyr @MuddyBuddy @Deleted member 17245 @WØLF

What would signify that Rene Decartes is not just another simulated figure? What specifically about his philosophy proves that he is a real human being? Simulation theory is unfalsifiable just like solipsism

 

[NepNep]

They really gave me shitty starter character.

 

[kevkon]

Tbh, as long as those rivers are connected to lakes or seas, it's not like they can ever run out of water anyway. Though I was wrong in how quickly the water gets recycled and replaced, I thought that only like 1% gets changed in a year, but I quickly googled it and Gemini says that on average an entire river gets replaced every 16 days.

Bro thinks we live in a simulation because he doesn’t know how the world works lmao I think we do too but these arguments are just OP deferring his gap in knowledge to a more easily understood explanation

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

What would signify that Rene Decartes is not just another simulated figure?

I feel it in my bones he was real

his gap in knowledge

Here is the thread with things I don't know https://incels.is/threads/here-are-the-things-i-dont-know.734467/

 

[Orbiter]

the biggest proof that we live in a simulation is that we cannot explain where it all started.

the big bang theory only describes the early stages of the universe. we may be missing a sense that would let us give more information.
the fact that we are inprisoned at this planet with a limited lifespan also is a strong indicator. our mind is inprisoned in our body. nobody knows what happens to it after we die. in fact our mind IS the simulation already. the simulation of a human body that you cannot escape from.

 

[Brainy]

Foids act the way they do and men are too cucked to be raping them 24/7 for being such shits so to me that proves we're in a false reality because any sane society would not let their foids act the way that modern ones do.

 

[orthodox]

genuinely wish i had the attention span to read all of this

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

the biggest proof that we live in a simulation is that we cannot explain where it all started.

the big bang theory only describes the early stages of the universe. we may be missing a sense that would let us give more information.
the fact that we are inprisoned at this planet with a limited lifespan also is a strong indicator. our mind is inprisoned in our body. nobody knows what happens to it after we die. in fact our mind IS the simulation already. the simulation of a human body that you cannot escape from.

Yes! I've thought about this as well. The Bing Bang may be the moment the simulation actually started, and this may be a long-term experiment that doesn't revolve around humans. Other intelligent lifeforms may also be simulated.

The weirdest thing is the creation of solid matter. Stars, galaxies, planets require an IMMENSE amount of matter and energy. Where did it all come from? Surely, at some point, there must have been absolutely nothing.

If you look into it, it's all a bunch of cope answers. ''A-a-actually, this was not the first Big Bang '' Okay. Then where the previous Big Bangs get the energy to explode. ''T-the universe may be going through cycles, this is not the first cycle ''. Okay. How did the first universe get its matter from 0?

And of course there is the uncertainty. ''We can't know for sure''. This uncertainty covers all their bases. But it is nervertheless strange.

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

''Q-quantum fields! Uh.. uh.. Quantum particles! Dark energy! Dark matter! ''

These copers annoy me! Be for real, niggas! You need an incompresible amount of matter and energy to have so many stars, planets, galaxies. Logistically, a star like our Sun makes no sense. A self-contained, stable, nigh-infinite source of energy? Constant nuclear explosions? Be for real! Where did all the elements come from??