It's a cope and it's the best one because it's as close as the real thing as it can be.
Most chads pump and dump without any signs of intimacy/romanticism, treating their easy matches like a free prostitutes(low effort).
It's fucking embarrasing.
You'd literally be better off telling normies that you are a virgin than an escortcel.
You'd literally be better off telling normies that you are a virgin than an escortcel.
Thats mostly true for USA/Europe/Japan cel. In SEA prostitution is very cheap and frankly I'am not sure what part of the party is the main exploiter there. I mean fkking 18 year old young slut for 20 bucks(which she later sends to her family or spend on something like drugs) is much less cucked than paying $300 for a typical overused euro slut.
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This is also a locationcel trait since prostitution is STILL illegal in 90% countries 
Foids are truly ruling the world
Foids are truly ruling the world
Guys, escortcelling is one of those things that you need to do at least once in your life if you're an incel tbqh, and i will give you 3 reasons why you should do it.
1 - Let's face it, it's over for you, so why the fuck remain a permavirgin when you can fuck a Stacy (or a Becky, if that's what you can access) with just a little money and almost no personal investment?
2 - It's cheaper that you can imagine, normies spend a shitload of money on dates, good clothes, accessories, perfumes, haircuts and haircare, etc... just so they can fuck a landwhale every once in a while. You will just spend far less than that and get better pussy than most of them.
3 - It isn't cucked, you're just exchanging goods and services, and as long as you don't go there prioritizing her pleasure, you won't be a cuck.
Is it a cope? Of course it is. But it is a damn good cope, and coping is what we all do, so do the research, get some cash, bite the goddamn bullet and go to an escort.
1 - Let's face it, it's over for you, so why the fuck remain a permavirgin when you can fuck a Stacy (or a Becky, if that's what you can access) with just a little money and almost no personal investment?
2 - It's cheaper that you can imagine, normies spend a shitload of money on dates, good clothes, accessories, perfumes, haircuts and haircare, etc... just so they can fuck a landwhale every once in a while. You will just spend far less than that and get better pussy than most of them.
3 - It isn't cucked, you're just exchanging goods and services, and as long as you don't go there prioritizing her pleasure, you won't be a cuck.
Is it a cope? Of course it is. But it is a damn good cope, and coping is what we all do, so do the research, get some cash, bite the goddamn bullet and go to an escort.
Nope never going to try it and I wished people were banned for shilling it everywhere. Should be the same with all other degenerate shit.
It doesn't count and it never will. The escortcels who frequent here are no different from us in mental health whatsoever. The only thing that happens is they become addicted to it so they shall out more and more of your money.
Sex with an escort is sex in name only.
Keep gargantuan coping that it's the same as paying for a date. There are no dudes with girlfriends here.
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It is cucked, but I would fuck prostitutes if I had a lot of money to throw away
Not only that, whores should be able to claim tax breaks on income from incels.
Most of whores demand paiement in cash and probably don't declare any of their income.
Brothels in Germany also require cash paiement for entry, even if they could totally accept card paiements like any other walk-in/walk-out business.
As a client it's kind of annoying. I payed taxes on this money I earned. Why should they be exempt?
Ah I think you might have mistaken me
I mean that your whore expenses should be able to be netted off your gross income to reduce your taxable income. Similar to how self employed people can treat a car as a tax deductible expense.
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Normies who pay for dates are still paying bro
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High IQ. Paying and not getting something in return is the ultimate simp move.
"cucked" has lost its meaning on this forum and is just used as an insult when you are out of arguments or blackpill coping.
"Leonardo dicaprio fucks non virgins he is such a cucked simp lolol"
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lol you must live in a bubble if you dont think normies have sex outside of"dates"
dates is not even really a thing in sweden. did my 6/10 friend who fucked a girl behind a tree pay anything? no he didnt lol
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How often does your friend fuck behind a tree? Consistently? Like can your 6/10 get free sex CONSISTENTLY or OCCASSIONALLY? Chad gets it consistently. If I recall your 6/10 friend experiences some dry spells
Do you have footage?
Your 6/10 friend probably made out with her behind a tree.
Then she fucked Chad later that night.
Sponsoring them too - very expensive gifts from time to time which foid later swaps for money.
What a cuck, what a beta he is!
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yeah if you gonna argue like that we cant say anything. if every piece of counter evidence is a lie then you are doomed to your sub8 worldview.
scumbag move
Dude, normies lie. I don't know how many times I have to say it.
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Yes, 6/10 struggles bro. I never denied that. Just saying it can happen. He was a social circle maxxer. He wouldnt have gotten it off cold approach.
But there was no money exchange, that was my point.
Its easy to detect when normies lie. This was not one of those cases. Just accept that normies have sex, not all the time. But it happens.
Ugly 5 or sub 5 men like us dont get sex. Dont fool yourself into thinking you are a 6 or a 7. LOL!
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I agree, some 6-7's can OCCASIONALLY get "free" sex, but I'd argue it wasn't "free" like Chad off Tinder, because he still had to invest tons of times into social circle maxxing and stuff like that.
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Why is social circle an investment? Did the girl invest in the social circle too?
For somewhat NT people, social circle is not an investment. He didnt join this social circle to get laid, they were all natural friends.
You also must realize attracting a woman in a social circle is 100 times easier. If you cold approach, they dont know if you are a creep, awkward, have no friends, or anything. 99% of sex in history has been through social circles.
sub8 always pay one way or another(later with marriage too) to keep foid binded or she will sooner or later swap him for a normie which agrees to the rigged game rules. Not much difference than paying an escort tbh, maybe less pricey.
For rural/depressed areas where foids are truly desperate its sometimes sub6..7 though.
For rural/depressed areas where foids are truly desperate its sometimes sub6..7 though.
I understood you well, but I thought it was worth pointing out that if our expense as a client is not tax deductible, the whore's income is most probably not taxed at all.
This is not fair and making whore expenses tax-deductible is not a solution because it's never going to happen.
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I'm not speaking of chad's experiences.
I'm speaking of why paying money, in principle, to have sex is what makes seeing a prostitute cucked.
That was the main premise of my wall of autism that I think was just skimmed over.
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Even if they were natural friends, it's still tons of time he spent there, and the "free" sex was still only occasional.
Mogs us incels, no doubt, but the idea that "other men get it for free", is an argument against using hookers, when most men don't get it for free the majority of the time, means that paying for it is not something that should necessarily be looked down upon. The reason it is looked down upon is because society hates low value males and wants them to suffer.
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Stop obsessing over whether or not your fellow incels think you’re a cuck and just do whatever you can to extract the maximum pleasure possible from this shitty life for the time you are here.
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You are Swedish so you inhib to prostitution because of your upbringing. The first step actually going to a prostitute requires a lot of Courage tbh. I almost chickend out the first time.
Who cares what happened in history?
We live so different from our ancestors now. Since 60 year or so we witness the biggest changes in human societies since men decided to go for agriculture. Looks is the prime factor now for getting laid, not even social circles. Social circles are still of prime importance (loosing ground to dating apps though) for getting a gf, but as normie you dont get onenight stands with aquaintances.
Not a bad advice tbh
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Read my post. It has nothing to do with being looked down on for using hookers because we're low value males. Many high value males use prostitutes also. It has to do with how we value different types of relationships.
It extends from sex all the way down to friendships and other forms of relationships. Imagine paying somebody to hang out with you, laugh at your jokes, and give you compliments. You can see how cucked (and pathetic in this case) that is, right?
Let me be clear about something.
Cucked != you shouldn't do it, ever. Wageslaving is cucked (we even call it wagecucking alternatively kek), but most of us need to do it.
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That's a shitty analogy. The point of friends laughing at your jokes and complimenting you is socal validation. When you are paying a hooker, you are not looking for validation, but for access to her body.
@BlkPillPres thoughts?
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That was fast, so I know you didn't read my original argument. You instareply half-cocked and miss the damn point.
Paying for validation and paying for sex are categorically the same thing. You're paying for something that is socially valuable and obtainable without money. Paying for it devalues it.
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Wrong. Social validation that you pay for is FAKE.
Sex that you pay for is REAL
I'm getting real tired of arguing the obvious, how many times will blue pillers make people go over this topic
1. Sex is valuable outside of any social aspect, in fact its primary value comes from it being the sole means of reproduction and its secondary value is physical pleasure, the social aspect is at best 3rd in the list and probably lower, I just can't think of anything else at the top of my head right now
2. Please stop with the BS "sex is free" nonsense, the only truly free sex comes from rape, every other kind of sex for the most part is paid for by the man in some form, there are investments that are required, and once you get into a relationship you basically have to pay maintainence fees to keep getting access to sex, and no your exception to the rule "what Chad gets" argument that's buzzing at the top of your head doesn't count, its the exception to the rule, most men pay for sex in some form
[Hard To Swallow Edition] There Is No Such Thing As Free Sex (Stop Perpetuating The "Free Sex" Lie As An Excuse To Not Escortcel)
This is related to a past thread (in fact parts of it are used in this thread): https://incels.is/threads/every-interaction-is-a-transaction-of-resources.125273/ I am fed up of seeing incels saying they won't pay for sex because - "I don't want to pay for something I SHOULD be getting for free"...
incels.is
Also @based_meme I don't guys like you realize you ironically "humanize" women by making these arguments, you are thinking of them as people, to me women are just objects to be purchased, owned and enjoyed, so you see it as something revolving around validation based on how you view women, to me its like going to a restuarant and ordering my favorite food, your are projecting your perspective onto others and then asking - "why don't they see how cucked this is", its only cucked BECAUSE YOU VALUE WOMEN AS PEOPLE (THAT'S THE IRONY)
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You're completely ignoring the underlying reason for sex — reproduction. The men of the past that trade resources for sex reproduce. "Betabuxxers" reproduce. People that paid for dates have a chance at reproducing with the same girl. You cannot reproduce with a hooker.
All these threads are trying to make a flawed comparison because sex with an escort is technically sex. There is clearly a starked difference between it and the type of sex that other men trade resources for. It's not the same whatsoever.
Paying for a date != paying an escort.
LITERALLY IN THE SAME COMMENT YOU JUST QUOTED JFL:
Seriously are you even reading?
I think you mean "should not", what you're saying right now literally makes no sense, of course you can get a hooker pregnant, that's probably happened a lot of times
Problem with your logic here is most men paying for date today aren't paying to reproduce, they are paying for a chance to fuck, paying for an escort merely takes the "chance" factor out
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Paying for a warm hole where she fakes enjoyment and your disgusting presense is REAL?
The fuck is this shit?
It's a facsimile. But all of this isn't even addressing the main point. You obviously didn't understand the original premise earlier and still don't get why I'm saying that paying for a whore is fundamentally cucked.
BlkPillPres, whom you hilariously tag to swoop in and do the legwork for you, doesn't even understand the point either.
I'm getting real tired of arguing the obvious, how many times will blue pillers make people go over this topic
1. Sex is valuable outside of any social aspect, in fact its primary value comes from it being the sole means of reproduction and its secondary value is physical pleasure, the social aspect is at best 3rd in the list and probably lower, I just can't think of anything else at the top of my head right now
2. Please stop with the BS "sex is free" nonsense, the only truly free sex comes from rape, every other kind of sex for the most part is paid for by the man in some form, there are investments that are required, and once you get into a relationship you basically have to pay maintainence fees to keep getting access to sex, and no your exception to the rule "what Chad gets" argument that's buzzing at the top of your head doesn't count, its the exception to the rule, most men pay for sex in some form
[Hard To Swallow Edition] There Is No Such Thing As Free Sex (Stop Perpetuating The "Free Sex" Lie As An Excuse To Not Escortcel)
This is related to a past thread (in fact parts of it are used in this thread): https://incels.is/threads/every-interaction-is-a-transaction-of-resources.125273/ I am fed up of seeing incels saying they won't pay for sex because - "I don't want to pay for something I SHOULD be getting for free"...
Also @based_meme I don't guys like you realize you ironically "humanize" women by making these arguments, you are thinking of them as people, to me women are just objects to be purchased, owned and enjoyed, so you see it as something revolving around validation based on how you view women, to me its like going to a restuarant and ordering my favorite food, your are projecting your perspective onto others and then asking - "why don't they see how cucked this is", its only cucked BECAUSE YOU VALUE WOMEN AS PEOPLE (THAT'S THE IRONY)
1. You didn't get it (that's nothing new). The value of sex in the context of this discussion comes from the type of relationship (social vs business).
2. Nobody fucking said it was "free." Even chad incurs some cost, albeit comparably negligible to us.
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Gigacope, sex is real with a hooker, you are saying she needs to like and approve of you for it to be real. NO. You sound like Zyros right now
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Who the fuck is Zyros, and why should I care?
You're still splitting hairs over some bullshit nobody argues for. What's "real" or "not real" is completely irrelevant to the point whether or not something is cucked or uncucked. "Realness" isn't something I'm using to argue with in favour of the argument that prostitution is cucked.
This is textbook strawmanning.
1. Ok so all the betabuxxers of the past who women only married because they couldn't work, etc weren't having "real sex", because those women were just faking orgasms and fucking them because that was the best the could get?
2. So rape isn't "real sex", that sounds like an amazing defense a lawyer could use for the accused in court
"Ladies and gentlemen of the court, no forced sex took place, because rape isn't even sex to begin with because the victim was disgusted with my client, I rest my case"
Like @Personalityinkwell said you sound exactly like @Zyros, me and him argued a lot about this BS, he was shortly permabanned afterwards for boasting about his lay count on the lookism forum, its usually always fakes who keep saying that - "Its not "real sex" if she isn't attracted to you"
Huge fakecel larp
Your post you linked to where you built out the argument in full doesn't even mention reproduction. Yeah you mentioned it in passing the point above so I apologize for that I guess.
Even if by some off-chance that happened she's just going to get an abortion. Either way it's in spite of all the best efforts to prevent it from happening.
Some men of certain races like most black men are trying to do exactly that (70%+ out of wedlock birth rate). The point is that the character of the sex is different. Not even just in the sense that there is a means towards reproduction even now or in the future.
Paying for dates (for some) is part of a being in or trying to form a relationship and sex is part of a relationship. It's not quite nearly as cold and calculating as directly paying a prostitute for sex.
In many cases it's more like you pay to go out, flirt, she has a good time, and then you have sex rather than as merely and solely a business transaction like a hooker.
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Unless she wants to keep it, also don't regular "dates" also get abortions when it comes to mishap pregnancies, like I said before you are acting as if most people today are "dating" for the purpose of reproduction, its primarily about hooking up and fucking
Yeah, just like with any woman you'd fuck from dating, again you have no point, dating today is primarily about sex, not starting a family
You assume to much, blacks are just irresponsible because they have a shitty culture, maybe its genetics IDK, but its irresponsibility, there was no intention of reproduction, they were just trying to fuck, why do you think there are so many abortions and single moms within the black community
Aaaaaaaaand?, I thought black pillers are supposed to be logical and not emotional thinkers like normies, isn't cold and calculating a good thing?
Its still a business transaction, its just a convoluted business transaction where women have basically all of the leverage, prostitution levels the playing field, men still have to trade resources to get sex, so if you have to trade, why not make a direct trade and get your product immediately
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1. Ok so all the betabuxxers of the past who women only married because they couldn't work, etc weren't having "real sex", because those women were just faking orgasms and fucking them because that was the best the could get?
2. So rape isn't "real sex", that sounds like an amazing defense a lawyer could use for the accused in court
"Ladies and gentlemen of the court, no forced sex took place, because rape isn't even sex to begin with because the victim was disgusted with my client, I rest my case"
Like @Personalityinkwell said you sound exactly like @Zyros, me and him argued a lot about this BS, he was shortly permabanned afterwards for boasting about his lay count on the lookism forum, its usually always fakes who keep saying that - "Its not "real sex" if she isn't attracted to you"
Huge fakecel larp
Don't be a faggot. Stop bullshitting around and read the whole thread to see what exactly is being said on the subject.
You want to pay money to fuck a whore? Go ahead, IDGAS. It won't change the fact that it's still a form of cuckery and it's degenerate (degeneracy is a separate discussion altogether).
Disregarding why she would want to keep a child (esp. from an incel), the child would turn out horrible and she would neglect it anyways. It wouldn't survive or reproduce itself.
Even if she voluntarily agrees to fuck you without a condom?
I highly doubt it I've seen black people say they do it on purpose. For some it's intentional.
Regarding the women not you.
Is it still only a business transaction if it's a split bill?
The end result is more about the content of the interaction not about money spent. You're not going to get sex just because you take someone out to Ruth's Chris. And someone can get laid after going on some cheap shitty date.
Simply because it's not actually about just pumping money in. The date is just the prerequisite for everything else in. You seem to be making an assumption that a woman is just going to reward you for spending money on a date just like a hooker would and I don't think that's what's happening at all.
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JFL at "bullshitting around", just be honest and admit you can't address the arguments, you know what you're saying is complete bullshit, illogical, easy to point out its flaws
I'll ask again:
Ok so all the betabuxxers of the past who women only married because they couldn't work, etc weren't having "real sex", because those women were just faking orgasms and fucking them because that was the best the could get?
If sex is only "real sex" if the woman genuinely "wants you", then you've just called a lot of sex that took place back in patriarchal times "fake sex", so do those women get a pass and are they still virgins? (I mean it wasn't "REAL sex" JFL)
You can say what you want, Go ahead, IDGAS, it won't change the fact that there's no difference between paying for sex and buying a meal, and ironically the only reason why you see a difference is because you value women "as people" way more than I do, a very ironic perspective for an incel
But you believe in concepts like "degeneracy" so you are obviously a moralfag so what can I expect, of course you are an emotional thinker, of course you still see women as more than a means to an end
Like I keep saying over and over, a lot of incels just can't let go of certain aspects of their "training" (years of indoctrination), you got VBS (Vestigial Blue pill Syndrome), most every incel has some aspect of "normie norms and values" that they just can't let go of because its core to their personage, its what makes them them, and because of that it becomes their blindspot and they don't even realize they are clinging to it
No I'm not, I'm once again forced to quote myself in the exact comment you just read
I think its you making the assumption that all business means "fair trade" and "amicable terms", "gambling" is also involved in business transactions, maybe I wasn't specific enough, one thing I did assume is that you'd get what I meant by "convoluted"
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Do you agree that you can go on a date and she can legitimately become horny and want to fuck you? That's the point I'm making. Whether there's alcohol involved or not. In fact, I think that's how it works a lot of the time.
That's not comparable to escort sex. Maybe for you (skeptical), but not for the vast majority of everyone else.
Yes, but what difference does that make?
I'm not paying for her to want to fuck me, I'm paying to fuck her, I don't get your point here, no escortcel is paying to be "loved" or "desired" (well unless he's a coping idiot)
Also for how many guys do you think this genuine horniness happens for?
Its like less than 30%, probably less than 20%, if you have to "woo" a woman throughout a date she doesn't really want to fuck you, I've talked about this before, the fact that most men dating today are "jestermaxxing"
If you have to use all kinds of tricks and signals, etc to get her horny, how is that any better, she isn't really all that attracted to you either, Chad just exists and she's aroused, does that make his sex "more real", sex is sex
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