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People don't want to acknowledge that the laws of the universe are unfair

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In my experience, most of the hostility to incels comes down to a refusal to admit that sometimes, willpower doesn't work, sometimes, free will doesn't enter the picture; that sometimes people are screwed whatever they try to do; that sometimes, even with the best you can deliver, you'll at best end up in a bad situation instead of an awful one.

It's one thing to admit that life is sometimes unfair (eg for kids born with rare genetic or congenital disorders), it's another thing entirely to admit that life is *often* unfair. That many people are born with all sorts of privileges they're not even aware of, while many other people are born with all sorts of defects and deprivations that are often not even recognized by exterior actors, and can insidiously, through decreased confidence or mental disorders like depression, mechanically decrease the very willpower they're supposed to use to crawl out of their bad station in life, until it is sometimes too late to reverse a bad trajectory.

The disadvantage that is physical ugliness is rarely acknowledged, way more rarely than poverty even though it's in fact worse. In fact, nearly every disadvantage you can think of is worse than poverty. Lacking money can always have a solution as long as you're healthy physically and mentally. You can always get hired somewhere. There is no solution to ugliness except plastic surgery (something most ugly people cannot finance until it's too late to matter). Sometimes there is also no medical solution to disorders like depression, autism, anxiety, etc that often come with ugliness.

Incels are unsettling because they are yet another "victim group" in a world that already has too many (gays, blacks, immigrants, the poor, etc). A victim group that elicits compassion fatigue. Liberal guilt, it seems, stops when ugliness enters the picture. Maybe incels are simply too early in their rebellion against Nature and Fate; maybe they should wait in silence for the next stage in liberal guilt. Remember that the gays had to wait until the 1980s to stop being victimized.
 
It's a first-world, middle class (or up) phenomenon. For most people throughout human history, life's default has been suffering. Maybe not enough to warrant suicide, but suffering nonetheless.
 
Life is a long rearing Nile river; some people make it, some don't, and some may get wounded along the way.

I don't think the average person wants to go through the mental gymnastics of having to acknowledge the pain that people of low value suffer from. Each class, gender, race, religion, and whatever are all conditioned to live in different certain ways. We can't all feel each other our pains or ever acknowledge the pain of those that are above, and below us. This is all relative.

And I don't think ugliness would ever come into the picture of discrimination, as a we're too far removed from that to happen.
 
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Redditors have empathy for all unfortunate people except those who can change their predicament the least: ugly subhumans. Take depression and other mental illnesses, if depression is a consequence of being a sub 5 subhuman then it's disregarded as a problem that you can easily fix with an attitude change. With the changing social climate I have no idea why being clinically unhappy about how you were born is still a stigma. It's okay for trannies but not ugly subhumans?
 
Good post.

In my experience, most of the hostility to incels comes down to a refusal to admit that sometimes, willpower doesn't work, sometimes, free will doesn't enter the picture; that sometimes people are screwed whatever they try to do; that sometimes, even with the best you can deliver, you'll at best end up in a bad situation instead of an awful one.

It's one thing to admit that life is sometimes unfair (eg for kids born with rare genetic or congenital disorders), it's another thing entirely to admit that life is *often* unfair. That many people are born with all sorts of privileges they're not even aware of, while many other people are born with all sorts of defects and deprivations that are often not even recognized by exterior actors, and can insidiously, through decreased confidence or mental disorders like depression, mechanically decrease the very willpower they're supposed to use to crawl out of their bad station in life, until it is sometimes too late to reverse a bad trajectory.

'You're not trying hard enough/you're a bad person' is an absolutely empty path of reasoning to pursue in the first place. Human behavior, irrespective of discussion of chaos theory, is effectively deterministic in that everything about one is either congenital or environmentally-produced. Physical ugliness is obviously innate; if r/SphincterTears wants to, somehow, maintain that misogyny and entitlement aren't the result of years of defeat and struggle, then the only alternative would be its fixedness from birth. Whether it's the result of a recessed chin, guiltless ostracism, or, teehee, a 'bad personality', no one chose to end up an incel. How do some people find the 'strength' to 'fix themselves'? What makes one person decide differently from the next? All roads lead back to external causality and the condemnation of ugly men to lives they hate.

The disadvantage that is physical ugliness is rarely acknowledged, way more rarely than poverty even though it's in fact worse. In fact, nearly every disadvantage you can think of is worse than poverty. Lacking money can always have a solution as long as you're healthy physically and mentally. You can always get hired somewhere. There is no solution to ugliness except plastic surgery (something most ugly people cannot finance until it's too late to matter). Sometimes there is also no medical solution to disorders like depression, autism, anxiety, etc that often come with ugliness.

Quite true and unlikely to be accepted by genderqueer sex defenders, managerial liberals, rich kid Socialists or any other contingent of the 'compassionate'. These people, often indolent fatcats, have no trouble haranguing you about the 'privilege' of whiteness, non-faggotry, or self-sufficiency (privilege? more like an honor), but can't seem to fit simple physical ugliness into their schemata of material resource and advantage. As you note, the dialectic of ugliness is the most damning. Most of the defective can find their kind, but ugly, lonely, fucked up, anxious has no kind. Even among like individuals, the most fundamental of human laws guarantees constant internecine sniping among the dregs. Ugly loners have nothing to offer, even to each other, and the moment one gets a chance to cut throats to escape, you can guarantee it'll happen.

Incels are unsettling because they are yet another "victim group" in a world that already has too many (gays, blacks, immigrants, the poor, etc). A victim group that elicits compassion fatigue. Liberal guilt, it seems, stops when ugliness enters the picture. Maybe incels are simply too early in their rebellion against Nature and Fate; maybe they should wait in silence for the next stage in liberal guilt. Remember that the gays had to wait until the 1980s to stop being victimized.

Here lies an interesting point; it's sometimes struck me that the constant self-policing of speech and thought among bugs ultimately precipitates the expression of their suppressed desire to exclude and denigrate as the rabid, hand-wringing denunciation of incels, rayyyyycists, 'and other factions of the alt-right'. They can't vent spleen or be even be disagreeable within the capacious bounds of 'love and tolerance', so at one blow they can both reaffirm their ascendancy in the hierarchy of the morally superior and give release to their basest and most vicious resentments by going after incels.
 
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In my experience, most of the hostility to incels comes down to a refusal to admit that sometimes, willpower doesn't work, sometimes, free will doesn't enter the picture; that sometimes people are screwed whatever they try to do; that sometimes, even with the best you can deliver, you'll at best end up in a bad situation instead of an awful one.

It's one thing to admit that life is sometimes unfair (eg for kids born with rare genetic or congenital disorders), it's another thing entirely to admit that life is *often* unfair. That many people are born with all sorts of privileges they're not even aware of, while many other people are born with all sorts of defects and deprivations that are often not even recognized by exterior actors, and can insidiously, through decreased confidence or mental disorders like depression, mechanically decrease the very willpower they're supposed to use to crawl out of their bad station in life, until it is sometimes too late to reverse a bad trajectory.

The disadvantage that is physical ugliness is rarely acknowledged, way more rarely than poverty even though it's in fact worse. In fact, nearly every disadvantage you can think of is worse than poverty. Lacking money can always have a solution as long as you're healthy physically and mentally. You can always get hired somewhere. There is no solution to ugliness except plastic surgery (something most ugly people cannot finance until it's too late to matter). Sometimes there is also no medical solution to disorders like depression, autism, anxiety, etc that often come with ugliness.

Incels are unsettling because they are yet another "victim group" in a world that already has too many (gays, blacks, immigrants, the poor, etc). A victim group that elicits compassion fatigue. Liberal guilt, it seems, stops when ugliness enters the picture. Maybe incels are simply too early in their rebellion against Nature and Fate; maybe they should wait in silence for the next stage in liberal guilt. Remember that the gays had to wait until the 1980s to stop being victimized.
I dont really agree with the whole premise really. My reasoning is that a relationship is not everything. It might be the most important thing, but life is more complex. A relationship is one aspect. As such, ugly people can do very well in other ways. They can be good at their job, they can excel at sports, research, caregiving, and most people dont really care about looks outside of the confines of relationships. I dont think looks are required for the army and I think uglyness is a virtue there. Also, there can be inverse descrimination in the real world against good looking people. Many people instinctivly hate them. As such, you cant say uglyness is a disadvantage like poverty. Isolation and lack of relationship I think is. ie incel, but uglyness is more subjective. I agree that incels are a victim group. I really relate to that, and I just found out about it today. You cant talk about it anywhere really. I doubt incels will ever be mainstream as it involves the truth and the truth is brutal. The mainstream media will never admit that people are living a living nightmare because they cat get laid and cant stand looking at fat and ugly people. That will never work. What are they going to do? Prescribe teenage girls on the National Health? I have often said that girls shouldn't go to school but instead should visit elderly gentlmen like me and sing them songa nd do the cleaing and stuff. I know in Japan you can by hugs. Unfortunalty I would never want to waste my money.
 
they do sometimes but they are turning a blind eye or making up excuses
 
Most people are sheltered and indoctrinated by our just world fallacy-driven society that just loves to keep up the bullshit perspective that everyone is "equal" and yadayadayada fuck. It's funny to see people's reaction when I black-pill the fucj oughtta them though. The amount of denial is pathetically hilarious!
 

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