News Patriarchy will never return [Patriarchy Copecels GTFIH]

[Robo Sapien]

I just wanted to prove a point to @TrueAlphaMale . Bringing back patriarchy with modern technology, is impossible. Let's use Iran as a powerful example. Iran is one the most religiously devout Islamic nations on this Earth. According to the Iranian census bureau AND the CIA world factbook, OVER 99% of it's population consists of devout Muslims. Yet, in the current year you couldn't tell with the amount debauchery coming out of Iran. I present to you exhibit A:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44760840

Here we have some 18 year old whore, dancing to western music and gyrating like a fucking savage. Yep, take it all in boyos. In one of the strictest countries on Earth, she managed to sink to the level of an animal. To Iran's credit, it Iran rightly cracked down on the whorish activity. However, I wanted to us this example to prove a point. Whatever rules you set for women, they will find a way to break them. It doesn't matter how many obstacles exist. It doesn't matter the severity of said consequences. Even death won't stop women from being whores. Modern technology only makes this problem infinitely worse. Because now all women have access to and the support of, other women in the midst of their debauchery. One woman's whoreness inspires other whores on social media to act like whores. Whoredom is like a weed. Once it sprouts up, it is impossible to stop. The only way to stop weeds from spreading is to exterminate them. I'll leave that comment there for you to ponder.

Now I'd like to present exihibit B.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42788549

The use of technology also ALLOWS FOR DISSIDENCE far removed from the borders of strict countries. The country's local inhabitants use VPNs and other forms of software to circumvent government strictness and authority. In turn, people FROM THE OUTSIDE can send messages to people on the inside. This can inspire up to and including, social unrest. A woman, who is clearly not even in IRAN is influencing whores in Iran. This goes back to my original point, modern technology allows for women to have access to and the support of other women in the midst of their debauchery. You cannot effectively restrict the freedoms of a society where people have access to light speed communication at the push of a button.

I used these two examples to prove a point. If you think that you can bring patriarchy back with modern technology, you're seriously deluding yourself. Never has there been greater access to the sexually select men that women want, than now. NEVER have women been able to broadcast themselves sexually across the entire planet. Modern technology provides a CONDUIT for this kind of activity, and serves as a major bottleneck in the reformation of socially conservative norms. If you think that think that patriarchy is going to overcome the fact that at any point women can reach out to Chad, you're dreaming.

 

[KyloRen]

It's over

 

[CopingGymcel]

Autism?

 

[Deleted member 8353]

You already tried to make this thread?

 

[PersonalityChimp]

 

[StormlitAqua]

You are not wrong, but I think you are missing the point.

Anyone with a brain knows that even in the most patriarchal of societies, there will be many dissenters. What we want is a society where maybe 30% or 40% of the women are traditional and raised under a patriarch to be submissive and chaste. This increases our chances vastly. As of now, I can count the women I've met like this on one or maybe two hands. We just want more patriarchy, not a complete. We are realists, not idealists.

Its a numbers game. right now, the kind of women that would potentially find me attractive are so few and far between that I can legit say that they don't exist, by virtue or statistical generalizations. If 30% of american women were tradcon and chaste, I would not be an incel, and this forums population would be halved.

 

[Pasteleiro]

I used to cope that islam would win against westerner degeneracy. Boyo, I was so wrong. Patriarchy will never return.

 

[Robo Sapien]

You already tried to make this thread?

They took it down because of caps. I've reformatted the post in order to avoid receiving a strike.

I used to cope that islam would win against westerner degeneracy. Boyo, I was so wrong. Patriarchy will never return.

It won't. It's impossible for society to recover from the consequence of technology.

You are not wrong, but I think you are missing the point.

Anyone with a brain knows that even in the most patriarchal of societies, there will be many dissenters. What we want is a society where maybe 30% or 40% of the women are traditional and raised under a patriarch to be submissive and chaste. This increases our chances vastly. As of now, I can count the women I've met like this on one or maybe two hands. We just want more patriarchy, not a complete. We are realists, not idealists.

Its a numbers game. right now, the kind of women that would potentially find me attractive are so few and far between that I can legit say that they don't exist, by virtue or statistical generalizations. If 30% of american women were tradcon and chaste, I would not be an incel, and this forums population would be halved.

My point is that this is a delusion. Technology allows for degeneracy. The only way to return to the patriarchal norms you want, is to restrict access to technology. There's a reason why only the Amish and the Afghani's have true patriarchies.

 

[Limerencel]

Women will have all the reproductive power there is, just like they did for 99,9999% of human evolution.
The last 2000 years were a brief anomaly, due the religion's stronghold on society.
Hypergamy will only get worse.
Inceldom will rise.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I used these two examples to prove a point. If you think that you can bring patriarchy back with modern technology, you're seriously deluding yourself. Never has there been greater access to the sexually select men that women want, than now. NEVER have women been able to broadcast themselves sexually across the entire planet. Modern technology provides a CONDUIT for this kind of activity, and serves as a major bottleneck in the reformation of socially conservative norms. If you think that think that patriarchy is going to overcome the fact that at any point women can reach out to Chad, you're dreaming.

I think this is probably 50% true. But the willingness to act is far more relevant than the means. If foids were publicly shamed and socially ostracized for hypergamy, and people were actually punished for adultery, we wouldn't be in this state. The sorts of behavior that led to our inceldom are currently praised rather than punished.

 

[Gremlincel]

Certainly not in this civilization, no. Maybe after the collapse, patriarchy will rise again. Maybe in a billion years, after the planet is destroyed, and we reach this exact point once more, the dice will land in a way that allows for patriarchy. These things happen in cycles.
But in our time? No. It's over. We lost.

 

[Hunter]

foids are a hopeless situation in 2018. no wonder MGTOW is becoming so popular.

 

[StormlitAqua]

My point is that this is a delusion. Technology allows for degeneracy. The only way to return to the patriarchal norms you want, is to restrict access to technology. There's a reason why only the Amish and the Afghani's have true patriarchies.

Ok, thats fine and I agree, but this wouldn't work on a mass scale, even if it was possible to do. Again, it would only make about 30% of women good.

People like myself am only looking for one true woman who was raised correctly, I don't need more that that. The problem is, there are millions of men like myself fighting for maybe 50k women in America. If we implemented patriarchal laws, like I said, maybe 30% of women would be good. That 50k women turns into millions pretty quickly.

 

[Robo Sapien]

I think this is probably 50% true. But the willingness to act is far more relevant than the means. If foids were publicly shamed and socially ostracized for hypergamy, and people were actually punished for adultery, we wouldn't be in this state. The sorts of behavior that led to our inceldom are currently praised rather than punished.

Do you think that they congratulate women on being whores now? Think about this statement in the context of this article. This is one of the most religiously devout societies on Earth. Women are routinely shamed. Yet they are still behaving like animals. You don't get it, this is happening DESPITE BEING SHAME, DESPITE BEING OSTRACIZED. WOMEN DON'T CARE WHEN THERE ARE ENOUGH OF THEM.

People like myself am only looking for one true woman who was raised correctly, I don't need more that that. The problem is, there are millions of men like myself fighting for maybe 50k women in America. If we implemented patriarchal laws, like I said, maybe 30% of women would be good. That 50k women turns into millions pretty quickly.

Still bluepill I see. The first rule when dealing with women is that ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. There isn't a, "GOOD WOMAN". The fact that you said that, means you don't get it.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Do you think that they congratulate women on being whores now? Think about this statement in the context of this article. This is one of the most religiously devout societies on Earth. Women are routinely shamed. Yet they are still behaving like animals. You don't get it, this is happening DESPITE BEING SHAME, DESPITE BEING OSTRACIZED. WOMEN DON'T CARE WHEN THERE ARE ENOUGH OF THEM.

My point is that Iran is still in much better shape regarding it's foids than the west. Sure it may not be the end all be all solution by itself, but it's better than encouragement. You can almost never eliminate problems, only minimize them.

The fact that they're still behaving like animals is simple proof that they're not fit to be held up to the same standards, expectations, and rights as men.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

I think it could return if we collectively organize to manage to keep a patriarchic cohesive society til we reach singularity, otherwise we will collapse and patriarchy will come back nonetheless

 

[TrueAlphaMale]

Technology is a man's creation and it can be controlled

 

[Mickeyonacid]

foids are a hopeless situation in 2018. no wonder MGTOW is becoming so popular.

Take it from someone who used MGTOW as a cope for two years: There's genuinely desirable males that just want nothing to do with women, and then there's the other 75% that are just incels thinking that if they ignore women, women will want them. MGTOW's a satisfying cope but it's bullshit and I'm glad I left it. Still, as much as MGTOW may mock us they're the closest thing incels have to allies

 

[Jockcel]

Yeah unfortunately I think the good old days are gone for good.

 

[Robo Sapien]

Technology is a man's creation and it can be controlled

How?

 

[Hunter]

Take it from someone who used MGTOW as a cope for two years: There's genuinely desirable males that just want nothing to do with women, and then there's the other 75% that are just incels thinking that if they ignore women, women will want them. MGTOW's a satisfying cope but it's bullshit and I'm glad I left it. Still, as much as MGTOW may mock us they're the closest thing incels have to allies

yeah i dont really know why were fighting. they need to cut out the non-loser signalling by bashing us and we need to ally with them. we are both fighting the same demon; foids.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Take it from someone who used MGTOW as a cope for two years: There's genuinely desirable males that just want nothing to do with women, and then there's the other 75% that are just incels thinking that if they ignore women, women will want them. MGTOW's a satisfying cope but it's bullshit and I'm glad I left it. Still, as much as MGTOW may mock us they're the closest thing incels have to allies

True, but I think you have no real base for that 75%. It's hard to estimate imho.

The fact that they're still behaving like animals is simple proof that they're not fit to be held up to the same standards, expectations, and rights as men.

As if men don't behave like animals. It's just we are not chad. lol. Cope.

 

[Mickeyonacid]

yeah i dont really know why were fighting. they need to cut out the non-loser signalling by bashing us and we need to ally with them. we are both fighting the same demon; foids.

Exactly this

True, but I think you have no real base for that 75%. It's hard to estimate imho.

Ngl I pulled the 75% thing out of my ass, it's a guess based on my personal experience of two years within the MGTOW community.

 

[oldcel75]

You can bring back the patriarchy, you can bring back slavery, you can bring back even the fucking dinozaurs. You will never see the light in her eyes, like she have when she sees chad. And if there is no affection, your relationship with her is betabuxing/escortceling/rape.

 

[Robo Sapien]

yeah i dont really know why were fighting. they need to cut out the non-loser signalling by bashing us and we need to ally with them. we are both fighting the same demon; foids.

MGTOW is trying to appeal to as wide a net of men as possible. Unfortunately, inceldom is not widely appealing.

 

[Robtical]

Technology works both ways, we can chadfish and shame slutty bitches online to ruin their future marriage prospects. Other things technology will give men are realistic sex bots and the male birth control pill. Once men can get easy sex from cheap hookers or sex bots, and have control of their reproduction, femoids will almost never be able to collect child support again or commit paternity fraud. After that the scale will majorly shift in men's favor, we will be able to be buy pussy for the price of chiclets. It doesn't have to be a complete patriarchy, but soon the west will be something like thailand where pussy is cheap and the laws aren't cucked.

 

[UBERCEL]

Well, look at the West a 1000 times more degenerate, I'd like to have the less degenerate one please

 

[Deleted member 3385]

we need to go back in time to destroy the internet (skynet)

that is the only way to save the future

there's no way before the internet random hoes could just take videos of them twerking and upload it to thousands of guys.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

You are not wrong, but I think you are missing the point.

Anyone with a brain knows that even in the most patriarchal of societies, there will be many dissenters. What we want is a society where maybe 30% or 40% of the women are traditional and raised under a patriarch to be submissive and chaste. This increases our chances vastly. As of now, I can count the women I've met like this on one or maybe two hands. We just want more patriarchy, not a complete. We are realists, not idealists.

Its a numbers game. right now, the kind of women that would potentially find me attractive are so few and far between that I can legit say that they don't exist, by virtue or statistical generalizations. If 30% of american women were tradcon and chaste, I would not be an incel, and this forums population would be halved.

Patriarchy would not force women to love you. It may force them to be with you, though this will only make them resent you more.

 

[Robo Sapien]

Well, look at the West a 1000 times more degenerate, I'd like to have the less degenerate one please

Cope, degeneracy is always right below the surface. The internet just takes a compilation of this dysfunction and makes it known.

we need to go back in time to destroy the internet (skynet)

that is the only way to save the future

there's no way before the internet random hoes could just take videos of them twerking and upload it to thousands of guys.

Even if you destroyed the internet, some other medium of communication would take it's place. It's pretty much a done deal at this point.

Technology works both ways, we can chadfish and shame slutty bitches online to ruin their future marriage prospects. Other things technology will give men are realistic sex bots and the male birth control pill. Once men can get easy sex from cheap hookers or sex bots, and have control of their reproduction, femoids will almost never be able to collect child support again or commit paternity fraud. After that the scale will majorly shift in men's favor, we will be able to be buy pussy for the price of chiclets. It doesn't have to be a complete patriarchy, but soon the west will be something like thailand where pussy is cheap and the laws aren't cucked.

Women are shamed online now and it doesn't stop them from being incorrigible sluts. Male birth control would be a major game changer. Unfortunately, the demand for such technology is through the floor. Despite the male reproductive system being leagues simpler than the female one, we haven't had male birth control for decades, and it's not that they can't create this technology. It's that most men don't want it.

As for sexbots, I completely agree 100%. The price of pussy goes way down after this event.

 

[Ninrod]

Things have changed forever. Just acept that.

 

[Robo Sapien]

Things have changed forever. Just acept that.

Yeah, that was my point tbh. It'll never go back to the way it was.

 

[UBERCEL]

Yeah, that was my point tbh. It'll never go back to the way it was.

This is so false, society is chaotic, stop this pessimistic cope. If you eliminate chances as being impossible it's insane

 

[averageblokecel]

Patriarchy would not force women to love you. It may force them to be with you, though this will only make them resent you more.

Why the fuck should I care if a femshit resents me or not? Nigga I just wanna get my dick wet and descendence

 

[StormlitAqua]

Patriarchy would not force women to love you. It may force them to be with you, though this will only make them resent you more.

Not at all. A true patriarchal woman would value her husband's chastity, breadwinning, independence, and devotion to Christ, all things I think I have. I'd be laid instantly in a patriarchal society.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

Not at all. A true patriarchal woman would value her husband's chastity, breadwinning, independence, and devotion to Christ, all things I think I have. I'd be laid instantly in a patriarchal society.

Cuckstianity, the original bluepill and one of the oldest copes still around today. Invented by goat farmers to cope with the pointlessness of life in an arid desert where nobody lives past 35, why people still believe in it today is beyond me.

 

[StormlitAqua]

Cuckstianity, the original bluepill and one of the oldest copes still around today. Invented by goat farmers to cope with the pointlessness of life in an arid desert where nobody lives past 35, why people still believe in it today is beyond me.

 

[Robo Sapien]

This is so false, society is chaotic, stop this pessimistic cope. If you eliminate chances as being impossible it's insane

This fundamentally has nothing to do with pessimism. This has to do with reality. We've unleashed a genie from the bottle, and now we can't put it back into the bottle. You can never go back to the pre-technology era where women had limited mate selection. Anything else is cope tbh. Patriarchy is dead, just accept it dude.

Why the fuck should I care if a femshit resents me or not? Nigga I just wanna get my dick wet and descendence

If that's the case, why care about femshits to begin with? Why not just use sex robots?

Not at all. A true patriarchal woman would value her husband's chastity, breadwinning, independence, and devotion to Christ, all things I think I have. I'd be laid instantly in a patriarchal society.

Dude, this is not attacking your religion. Your belief and the context of this discussion is two totally different things. But if you seriously believe that a woman "values" a man's Chastity and religious devotion, you are seriously blue pill. You have a fundamental lack of understanding of female nature that is seriously hurting you my friend. A woman is nothing more than an amoral pragmatist. She only values THAT WHICH BENEFITS HER. Trying to rationalize women as higher functioning and rational/compassionate beings, is projecting male traits onto women. Men often make what I call, the error of projection when dealing with women. They think that because they value certain things, that a woman will value those same things. This is not the case for one simple reason, biology.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Trying to rationalize women as higher functioning and rational/compassionate beings, is projecting male traits onto women. Men often make what I call, the error of projection when dealing with women. They think that because they value certain things, that a woman will value those same things. This is not the case for one simple reason, biology.

Now this I agree with, based upon observation.

I think the main fundamental difference between males and females, is that females can only ever see what is right in front of them, or the path to acquiring it. They're not very good at abstract thinking, they can't "see the unseen" so to speak. What this effectively translates to is a lack of capacity for empathy, and a high propensity for solipsism.

 

[UBERCEL]

This fundamentally has nothing to do with pessimism. This has to do with reality. We've unleashed a genie from the bottle, and now we can't put it back into the bottle. You can never go back to the pre-technology era where women had limited mate selection. Anything else is cope tbh. Patriarchy is dead, just accept it dude.

If that's the case, why care about femshits to begin with? Why not just use sex robots?

Dude, this is not attacking your religion. Your belief and the context of this discussion is two totally different things. But if you seriously believe that a woman "values" a man's Chastity and religious devotion, you are seriously blue pill. You have a fundamental lack of understanding of female nature that is seriously hurting you my friend. A woman is nothing more than an amoral pragmatist. She only values THAT WHICH BENEFITS HER. Trying to rationalize women as higher functioning and rational/compassionate beings, is projecting male traits onto women. Men often make what I call, the error of projection when dealing with women. They think that because they value certain things, that a woman will value those same things. This is not the case for one simple reason, biology.

You aren't realistic, you keep spouting PATRIARCHY IS DEAD FOREVER without any premise and logical deduction while calling anything else cope.

 

[Robtical]

Women are shamed online now and it doesn't stop them from being incorrigible sluts. Male birth control would be a major game changer. Unfortunately, the demand for such technology is through the floor. Despite the male reproductive system being leagues simpler than the female one, we haven't had male birth control for decades, and it's not that they can't create this technology. It's that most men don't want it.

They aren't shamed online enough, it needs to be more common and more severe for things to start changing. The male birth control will start getting very popular soon, it was brought up in many youtube interviews and debates I've been listening to recently. Once men figure out the power it will give them they will never turn back.

 

[Robo Sapien]

You aren't realistic, you keep spouting PATRIARCHY IS DEAD FOREVER without any premise and logical deduction while calling anything else cope.

The premise is clearly that technology has killed patriarchy. Modern technology allows for levels of deviance and coordination never before witnessed.

They aren't shamed online enough, it needs to be more common and more severe for things to start changing. The male birth control will start getting very popular soon, it was brought up in many youtube interviews and debates I've been listening to recently. Once men figure out the power it will give them they will never turn back.

I truly hope that via non-harmful male birth control comes soon. It would be a huge game changer, but I'm still skeptical that there is market demand for such a technology. As for shaming, if an Islamic Republic, where whores are stoned for being whores can't shame women enough, that dog just won't hunt. The shame game is over. There is too much solidarity in whoredom for women.

Now this I agree with, based upon observation.

I think the main fundamental difference between males and females, is that females can only ever see what is right in front of them, or the path to acquiring it. They're not very good at abstract thinking, they can't "see the unseen" so to speak. What this effectively translates to is a lack of capacity for empathy, and a high propensity for solipsism.

I hope I wasn't being too hard on @StormlitAqua , but religious guys tend to have a very bad tendency of equivocating the sexes. There's a reason why the bible tells men to love their wives, and for wives to obey their husbands. A woman cannot love a man the same way a man can love a woman. When a woman loves a man, it is strictly based upon his utility at the moment. Her love to him is conditional and fluctuates day to day. A woman can only see what's of utility to her and her young. It's simply how women are wired.

Too many guys are blue pilled about female nature. They haven't fully swallowed the black pill.

 

[UBERCEL]

The premise is clearly that technology has killed patriarchy. Modern technology allows for levels of deviance and coordination never before witnessed.

Religion allowed moderation in ONESELF

 

[Robo Sapien]

Religion allowed moderation in ONESELF

Religion is no longer an effective form of moderation. For several reasons not worth going into. However, one thing is clear. Whatever power religion had on social stability, it no longer has that power. When women twerk and gallivant their whoredom for the world to see, it means they absolutely don't give a fuck about god. The difference is now that women have formed solidarity based around whoredom, and this is largely based upon modern technology. Failing to see how technology greatly impedes the restoration of social order is a complete lack of perception of how dire the situation truly is.

 

[UBERCEL]

Religion is no longer an effective form of moderation. For several reasons not worth going into. However, one thing is clear. Whatever power religion had on social stability, it no longer has that power. When women twerk and gallivant their whoredom for the world to see, it means they absolutely don't give a fuck about god. The difference is now that women have formed solidarity based around whoredom, and this is largely based upon modern technology. Failing to see how technology greatly impedes the restoration of social order is a complete lack of perception of how dire the situation truly is.

Cope, islam is enternal

 

[Robo Sapien]

Cope, islam is enternal

I've just proven that Islam is getting cucked. Keep deluding yourself young man.

 

[UBERCEL]

I've just proven that Islam is getting cucked. Keep deluding yourself young man.

Nope u just say proven and spout ur non sense, Islam is going in cycle, now it's in it's weakest form it will rise again, like all empires when they weakened a bit before rising again

 

[Robo Sapien]

Nope u just say proven and spout ur non sense, Islam is going in cycle, now it's in it's weakest form it will rise again, like all empires when they weakened a bit before rising again

The cope is too strong. Literally. If you can't see the shit I've presented, it's over for you.

 

[UBERCEL]

The cope is too strong. Literally. If you can't see the shit I've presented, it's over for you.

If it's over for me then it never began for you, and it will never do

 

[Robo Sapien]

If it's over for me then it never began for you, and it will never do

My heart is broken for you dude. You're beyond saving. Good luck tbh.