Serious Oldcels, what's your excuse?

[Rassimov]

Social media wasn't a thing anywhere before 2010, online dating was were unattractive people met, girls could not yet discover their SMV by becoming insta models or cam whores over night ― in the history of mankind, the period between the year 1980 and early 2000s was probably the most glorious for average guys; you didn't die prematurely in world war fiasco, and the sexual revolution made teen dating a prerequisite before settling down, and since tinder and pronhub were absent, girls and boys were forced to go out and interact in their local environment on a daily basis.

Unless you were Rocky Dennis or obese, you would have gotten laid. What the fuck were you doing?

 

[Deleted member 18214]

Women have always hated the bottom 5% of men

 

[Personalityinkwell]

The same excuse everyone else has.

They're ugly

 

[Deleted member 22999]

I feel like I probably wouldnt be incel if I was born when my parents were

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Mentalcel, poorcel, Asperger, healthcel.

If my parents weren't idiots I could have prolly ascended.

 

[Rassimov]

The same excuse everyone else has.

They're ugly

the threshold was much lower than today.

I feel like I probably wouldnt be incel if I was born when my parents were

Even as a average man you were expected to have several girlfriends before 'settling down'.

 

[Deleted member 24048]

Physical illness progressing over time, endless doctor visits, treatments, searching endlessly, tons of different diets etc. didn't matter just got worse with each passing year.

Could have gotten laid when younger just had standards/reputation back then and by the time that faded, I had rotted even further.

Would probably have been voted most likely to succeed in the 7th grade, was good at school, sports, had a healthy social life and was liked by the girls. This changed within a year and has gotten worse for 20 years straight...harder to ascend with each passing year despite endless effort...life is ridiculous like that.

 

[Deleted member 17984]

Don't cope so hard
Just because there was no tinder doesn't mean that there wasn't a hierarchy at school, college, uni, work, in your village, town, city, country
People were arguably more social before the advent of mass social media, meaning when you were ignored, you felt it and saw it and heard it irl

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Physical illness progressing over time, endless doctor visits, treatments, searching endlessly, tons of different diets etc. didn't matter just got worse with each passing year.

Could have gotten laid when younger just had standards/reputation back then and by the time that faded, I had rotted even further.

Would probably have been voted most likely to succeed in the 7th grade, was good at school, sports, had a healthy social life and was liked by the girls. This changed within a year and has gotten worse for 20 years straight...harder to ascend with each passing year despite endless effort...life is ridiculous like that.

Young chad aye?

 

[Deleted member 21173]

genuine trucels. doesnt mean women hadnt had their sexual revolution. just slightly easier for the guys on the fringes

 

[Mavenes]

The same excuse everyone else has.

They're ugly

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Physical illness progressing over time, endless doctor visits, treatments, searching endlessly, tons of different diets etc. didn't matter just got worse with each passing year.

Could have gotten laid when younger just had standards/reputation back then and by the time that faded, I had rotted even further.

Would probably have been voted most likely to succeed in the 7th grade, was good at school, sports, had a healthy social life and was liked by the girls. This changed within a year and has gotten worse for 20 years straight...harder to ascend with each passing year despite endless effort...life is ridiculous like that.

Standardcel turned incel. Fucking brutal. It began for you, but now its over

 

[SwordsmanAlt]

Ugly Curry ogrecel. Triple death threat.
I coped that arranged marriage would take me out of this, but in the west, I got nothing except rejections.

 

[Rambocel]

Don't cope so hard
Just because there was no tinder doesn't mean that there wasn't a hierarchy at school, college, uni, work, in your village, town, city, country
People were arguably more social before the advent of mass social media, meaning when you were ignored, you felt it and saw it and heard it irl

Good point. All the youngcels here have to go on is bullshit teen movies from the 80s and 90s where the hierarchy is the main focus and there might be the aside of the one or two signature 'nerds' who are the standard losers. What they don't show is the rest of the student population likely rotting in isolation or together or other clans of successful Chads and Staceys. The classic small town high school might have a signature popular group but when you get into the city and go to a high school like mine which has about 2000 kids then there really is no one popular person. Not even close actually since each grade has roughly 500 kids.

 

[Deleted member 24048]

Young chad aye?

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I've lived two different lives.

One where I put in 0 effort and lived a life of pure bliss.

The other is a life of endless effort with nothing but failure, misery and pain.

Fucking ridiculous, is the only way I can describe it. I'm entering my third life now I suppose, i'm going to stop trying and ldar. Apathy and coping will sustain me till I rope.

Standardcel turned incel. Fucking brutal. It began for you, but now its over

Yeah....it's fucking shit man.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

I've lived two different lives.

One where I put in 0 effort and lived a life of pure bliss.

The other is a life of endless effort with nothing but failure, misery and pain.

Fucking ridiculous, is the only way I can describe it. I'm entering my third life now I suppose, i'm going to stop trying and ldar. Apathy and coping will sustain me till I rope.

Yeah....it's fucking shit man.

Wish I knew how that bliss felt. I'm not even mad. Im glad you at least got to experience the good life. You never truly know what you have till it's gone I suppose.

Most Chad's live life like that. Unaware to how painful life would be without their looks.

 

[Deleted member 24048]

Wish I knew how that bliss felt. I'm not even mad. Im glad you at least got to experience the good life. You never truly know what you have till it's gone I suppose.

Most Chad's live life like that. Unaware to how painful life would be without their looks.

Yeah, most people don't start breaking down at 12, it's supposed to happen after middle age, if I had gotten to 30 even, i'd have been more accepting of it but 12... I do have some good memories but it's mostly just painful to think about now.

It was SO EASY when I had my health/looks, I swear to god. I see most Chads as absolute donkey's, like women, they are still bluepilled children for the most part.

 

[TheReaper]

after the '60 the idea of having a fulfilling sexual life as an ugly male was already an utopia.
hippies started the trend of worshipping young and good looking bodies and rejected the bourgeois idea of family, starting the process that leaded to the actual state of the sexual market.
I don't even know if a golden age for non gl men ever existed

 

[I_just_exist]

I was in my teens and early twenties in the 1980's. Extremely underweight for my height, I was born with a curved spine which earned me the nickname "Quasi" People would shout at me across the street "where's Esmeralda" ? Viewed from the front I was probably a 4/10 on a very good day ? but my side profile is absolutely horrendous. On top of this my family was very poor.
I suffered from severe depression as a result of years of bullying and rejection but back then it had a terrible stigma and my Dr refused to treat me for it, only telling me to "man up"
Women in those days were still very cruel and only really interested in dating the best looking men.
I suppose what you would now class as "normies" had things a little better than nowadays but the bottom 20% of guys still suffered from constant rejection and loneliness.

 

[Deleted member 17984]

Good point. All the youngcels here have to go on is bullshit teen movies from the 80s and 90s where the hierarchy is the main focus and there might be the aside of the one or two signature 'nerds' who are the standard losers. What they don't show is the rest of the student population likely rotting in isolation or together or other clans of successful Chads and Staceys. The classic small town high school might have a signature popular group but when you get into the city and go to a high school like mine which has about 2000 kids then there really is no one popular person. Not even close actually since each grade has roughly 500 kids.

I was in a rather small school, everyone knows everyone, when I come back home I recognise kids from school, their parents, siblings and now their kids all the time, its worse being a nobody or being the bullied one when its small like that, I'd rather have been invisible in a large school, at least it makes more sense

 

[Deleted member 22999]

Ugly Curry ogrecel. Triple death threat.
I coped that arranged marriage would take me out of this, but in the west, I got nothing except rejections.

Curry is the most brutal status ailment tbh

 

[Rassimov]

Physical illness progressing over time, endless doctor visits, treatments, searching endlessly, tons of different diets etc. didn't matter just got worse with each passing year.

Could have gotten laid when younger just had standards/reputation back then and by the time that faded, I had rotted even further.

Would probably have been voted most likely to succeed in the 7th grade, was good at school, sports, had a healthy social life and was liked by the girls. This changed within a year and has gotten worse for 20 years straight...harder to ascend with each passing year despite endless effort...life is ridiculous like that.

Oprah-tier sob story. The kind of sincere post I made this thread for.

after the '60 the idea of having a fulfilling sexual life as an ugly male was already an utopia.
hippies started the trend of worshipping young and good looking bodies and rejected the bourgeois idea of family, starting the process that leaded to the actual state of the sexual market.
I don't even know if a golden age for non gl men ever existed

conspicuously #metoo feminists seem to reject the sexual revolution on the grounds that it was a incel boomer attempt to pressure women they should sleep around with unattractive men.

I was in my teens and early twenties in the 1980's. Extremely underweight for my height, I was born with a curved spine which earned me the nickname "Quasi" People would shout at me across the street "where's Esmeralda" ? Viewed from the front I was probably a 4/10 on a very good day ? but my side profile is absolutely horrendous. On top of this my family was very poor.
I suffered from severe depression as a result of years of bullying and rejection but back then it had a terrible stigma and my Dr refused to treat me for it, only telling me to "man up"
Women in those days were still very cruel and only really interested in dating the best looking men.
I suppose what you would now class as "normies" had things a little better than nowadays but the bottom 20% of guys still suffered from constant rejection and loneliness.

I can sympathise. School enviroments are very lookist in nature, my Stacy classmate had one flaw - slitghly protruding ears - and she got bullied for it and got them fixed, that's the level of banality young rascals operate on.

 

[Rambocel]

I was in a rather small school, everyone knows everyone, when I come back home I recognise kids from school, their parents, siblings and now their kids all the time, its worse being a nobody or being the bullied one when its small like that, I'd rather have been invisible in a large school, at least it makes more sense

Yep large school is the way to go. Not even a fraction of people knew each other. Even people in the same grade. It also made bullying a lot more sparse. Since nobody really knows each other, nobody really cares thus bullies have no audience for the most part.
Also you don't have to 'leave town' or whatever. Nobody sees each other again. You might run into the odd person once in a while. Happens like....twice a year maybe.

 

[The Abyss]

Autism, poverty, racial prejudice, social anxiety, weak chin/jaw, introverted

 

[sub8male]

The same excuse everyone else has.

They're ugly

Trucels TBH not a psl 4.5 guy who is incel in the age of tinder, Instagram, and #metoo.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Autism, poverty, racial prejudice, social anxiety, weak chin/jaw, introverted

You're an oldcel? How old?

 

[Napoleon de Nascar]

Without widespread internet was harder to find friends further away, and in my school and house - only thots and morons. And later - worship of "magical number 18" and overprotective daddies of teen girls becoming problem

 

[Deleted member 301]

Women have always hated the bottom 5% of men

I'm fuck ugly, plus I'm a 5 foot 4 manlet. Babyface until I was 27, could pass for 16 until then, basically I didn't age until I started literally destroying my body inwardly and outwardly with alcohol, smoking, and drugs. Now I've only got a few years maximum left to live, even after quitting alcohol and drugs, and I'm a virtual cripple who has to wear a nappy to bed every night because I can no longer control my bowels.

Seriously, I'm quite a catch tbh

 

[PersonaPimp]

remember, Columbine occurred in 1999

 

[Excluded]

In 2008 i was 13yo, i think that's when things started to go downhill. I didn't even tried with woman back then

I was in my teens and early twenties in the 1980's. Extremely underweight for my height, I was born with a curved spine which earned me the nickname "Quasi" People would shout at me across the street "where's Esmeralda" ? Viewed from the front I was probably a 4/10 on a very good day ? but my side profile is absolutely horrendous. On top of this my family was very poor.
I suffered from severe depression as a result of years of bullying and rejection but back then it had a terrible stigma and my Dr refused to treat me for it, only telling me to "man up"
Women in those days were still very cruel and only really interested in dating the best looking men.
I suppose what you would now class as "normies" had things a little better than nowadays but the bottom 20% of guys still suffered from constant rejection and loneliness.

Brutal honestly

 

[The Abyss]

You're an oldcel? How old?

33 bruh, wasted life.

 

[JackBurton]

Sorry, it wouldn't make a difference for us. The 80s were already fucked!

Pop culture went on steroids in the 80s, color television in every home, lots of teen girls worshiping Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp, Rob Lowe, Bon Jovi, etc. That was the point of no return, MTV made the whole music industry search for pretty faces instead of pure musical talent, that's lookism above all, blackpill in its purest form.

It's a cultural rich and enjoyable decade if we look in retrospect, but pop culture went crazy and hypergamy started to run amok! Any truecel would be pretty much left behind in the 80s like we are afterwards.

Since the 80s low tier males are fucked!

 

[BlkPillPres]

The same excuse everyone else has.

They're ugly

This

@Rassimov
I think you are questioning the wrong thing or you aren't being specific enough

What I'd like the ask the oldcels who are 50+ years old is "how the fuck are you still a virgin?", notice I haven't said how come you haven't gotten a GF or wife yet, I'm asking why they are still virgins, why haven't they simply fucked a whore or even raped, they literally have nothing to lose they are on the last stretch in their lives, they could fucking die tomorrow, that shit confuses me so much

 

[Blackpincel]

Social media wasn't a thing anywhere before 2010

Fake news, Facebook, MySpace and Orkut were a thing since 2005 or so even in my third world country
And normies used online chat and IRC since the 90s
Dating sites were always a thing as well

Looks matter a lot more now, but it still mattered a lot back then, Tinder and Instagram just made it worse since it prioritizes looks and now also foids can get Chad fucks easier than ever

 

[JackBurton]

Fake news, Facebook, MySpace and Orkut were a thing since 2005 or so even in my third world country
And normies used online chat and IRC since the 90s
Dating sites were always a thing as well

Looks matter a lot more now, but it still mattered a lot back then, Tinder and Instagram just made it worse since it prioritizes looks and now also foids can get Chad fucks easier than ever

Exactly! Teenage girls already had cell phones since 2001 even here in Brazil, they could text chadlites at will since early 2000s, youngcels don't have a clue at how difficult it was since the early 2000s! Even the 90s was nearly impossible for most of us!

 

[Mogged Loner]

Social media wasn't a thing anywhere before 2010, online dating was were unattractive people met, girls could not yet discover their SMV by becoming insta models or cam whores over night ― in the history of mankind, the period between the year 1980 and early 2000s was probably the most glorious for average guys; you didn't die prematurely in world war fiasco, and the sexual revolution made teen dating a prerequisite before settling down, and since tinder and pronhub were absent, girls and boys were forced to go out and interact in their local environment on a daily basis.

Unless you were Rocky Dennis or obese, you would have gotten laid. What the fuck were you doing?

TerraCope

There’s always been a large amount of single males

I work with at least 6 men in their 50’s unmarried and I wouldn’t be surprised if they where Incel too

It’s just that there’s internet we can get together and talk about it

If those guys didn’t think so much like boomers they’d be on here as well

Jfl at thinking unwanted men is a new phenomenon it’s just steadily getting worse

 

[tanfeo]

I'm one of those oldcels. Yes I did do escorts, what's more I build my whole world around it because it was the closest thing to sex I could get without GF or wife.

I was a teen in the seventies. Already back then it was hard to get a GF, simply because the west (especially my home country) has more males than foids.
The way to do it back then was orbiting, going out, disco's, vacations and such events.
There were always more boys then girls, about 3 boys for 1 girl.
Back then, the good looking boys always got to date the girl, and I was always left behind as a clown to entertain the rest of the club.

What didn't exist back then was foid empowerment. They didn't become superstars overnight ("Stacy Official Account teehee") on social media with thousands of followers because it simply didn't exist at that time.
So it was a bit more relaxed, at least you felt you had some of a change still.

Had I known back then how I would spend my life without a wife, GF, family, ousted from society...I would surely have bought a ticket to SEA. Maybe even a one-way ticket.
So what's my excuse? Haven't got one, I let life slip away and didn't act upon the pointers that were given to me.

 

[BlackpilledTruecel]

I'm one of those oldcels. Yes I did do escorts, what's more I build my whole world around it because it was the closest thing to sex I could get without GF or wife.

I was a teen in the seventies. Already back then it was hard to get a GF, simply because the west (especially my home country) has more males than foids.
The way to do it back then was orbiting, going out, disco's, vacations and such events.
There were always more boys then girls, about 3 boys for 1 girl.
Back then, the good looking boys always got to date the girl, and I was always left behind as a clown to entertain the rest of the club.

What didn't exist back then was foid empowerment. They didn't become superstars overnight ("Stacy Official Account teehee") on social media with thousands of followers because it simply didn't exist at that time.
So it was a bit more relaxed, at least you felt you had some of a change still.

Had I known back then how I would spend my life without a wife, GF, family, ousted from society...I would surely have bought a ticket to SEA. Maybe even a one-way ticket.
So what's my excuse? Haven't got one, I let life slip away and didn't act upon the pointers that were given to me.

why not go to SEA now? you can get the retirement visa if you wanna neet, or teach english provided you have degree

 

[tanfeo]

why not go to SEA now? you can get the retirement visa if you wanna neet, or teach english provided you have degree

Yeah I'll probably do that as a last resort, but atm I'm a poorcel without any diploma or certificate, let alone a degree.
Planning to wagecuck for 3 years or so to gather the money needed to travel.

 

[Rassimov]

So what's my excuse? Haven't got one, I let life slip away and didn't act upon the pointers that were given to me.

Words of wisdom. This forum is defeatist, but you're right about having to act. Many of us are wasting our lives right now, I am wasting my life right now, when you're 20 you think you'll be young forever.

 

[BlackpilledTruecel]

Yeah I'll probably do that as a last resort, but atm I'm a poorcel without any diploma or certificate, let alone a degree.
Planning to wagecuck for 3 years or so to gather the money needed to travel.

No degree at your age is fucking volcel. You could've had decades in Sea

 

[Adamhastor]

One where I put in 0 effort and lived a life of pure bliss.

The other is a life of endless effort with nothing but failure, misery and pain.

Quite frankly that's called growing up, a process foids and Chads never have to go through.
The average normie's life is a blissful childhood followed by a life of wageslaving through endless effort, failure, misery and pain.

 

[Deleted member 24048]

Quite frankly that's called growing up, a process foids and Chads never have to go through.
The average normie's life is a blissful childhood followed by a life of wageslaving through endless effort, failure, misery and pain.

Largely true, my body rotted like someone in a retirement home though, despite being active, dieting, having a six pack, my skin, bones, hair, eyes, all took deteriorated with disease. I also had some bad injuries and took prescribed drugs that had permanent side effects. Puberty and subsequent adulthood raped me fucking HARD.

 

[Emba]

Don't cope so hard
Just because there was no tinder doesn't mean that there wasn't a hierarchy at school, college, uni, work, in your village, town, city, country
People were arguably more social before the advent of mass social media, meaning when you were ignored, you felt it and saw it and heard it irl

Irl is brutal

 

[Deleted member 24016]

after the '60 the idea of having a fulfilling sexual life as an ugly male was already an utopia.
hippies started the trend of worshipping young and good looking bodies and rejected the bourgeois idea of family, starting the process that leaded to the actual state of the sexual market.
I don't even know if a golden age for non gl men ever existed

probably prehistoric times when you could just rape if you couldn't get cave coochie consenually.

 

[Deleted member 17606]

Back when I was younger I was too busy trying to get through the mental illness I had which was severe anxiety and panic disorder. To the outside world I looked most likely insane. I had to drop out of school. But it wouldnt have mattered even if I was normal upstairs because all girls I liked rejected me, and not in any usual way either. They would always go the extra step to put the point across that I am subhuman and shouldnt dare show interest in them. So I went through my teens and 20s either being ignored, avoided, or if I tried my hardest rejected. I dont blame anyone. I didnt look favorable to the people around me so I was sent straight to old age to begin wageslaving for the decades to come. Now with these dating apps and heightened liberalism the bar is gonna be set higher and higher for men. The sub 8 thing isnt really a joke or an exaggeration anymore. Only problem is this is how war starts and a society comes down.

 

[Sad_Eunuch]

I was a teen in the 90's. It wasn't as different as you think it was. I had my group of loser friends, but girls were never interested in us. I'm 5'5" and probably the most socially awkward person you'd ever meet. Combine the two and I'm pretty much fucked in any era. I've found it impossible to overcome those 2 fatal traits. I get your thinking though, because I also find myself saying if I was born in the 40's or 50's instead of the 80's things would have worked out for me. Guess it's human nature or maybe just incel nature to think relationships in past generations worked so much differently from the present.

 

[Rassimov]

So I went through my teens and 20s either being ignored, avoided, or if I tried my hardest rejected. I dont blame anyone. I didnt look favorable to the people around me so I was sent straight to old age to begin wageslaving for the decades to come.

Agree. I just skipped my 20s without bedding a single woman, and I don't feel like working any time soon.

I was a teen in the 90's. It wasn't as different as you think it was. I had my group of loser friends, but girls were never interested in us. I'm 5'5" and probably the most socially awkward person you'd ever meet. Combine the two and I'm pretty much fucked in any era. I've found it impossible to overcome those 2 fatal traits. I get your thinking though, because I also find myself saying if I was born in the 40's or 50's instead of the 80's things would have worked out for me. Guess it's human nature or maybe just incel nature to think relationships in past generations worked so much differently from the present.

Was basing my observations on my relatives who came of age in the late 1990s who did have several girlfriends before settling in their 30s. used to idolize their lifestyle as a kid.

 

[LitVirgin]

If your an oldcel its no coming back the game has gotten 1000x harder

 

[wasted12years]

Back then i was a bluepilled autist and now i'm a blackpilled autist. Thinking i was good looking enough i made an effort in my late teens/early 20s which would be around 2008-2012, i went out to the club with some low-tier normie friends 3 times a month and i never got any interests from foids. It became a chore, i would rather stay home at that time tbh. I tried talking to foids too and the longest conversation i had without success was with a short adopted rice foid but she ended up leaving the bar/club in a haste. This was in a leftist bar/club too so the foids weren't necessary normalfags. Whenever i went to a normie club the music would be too loud for me to even do anything. I would want to curl up and hide in a corner.

The whole "tinder destroyed the dating scene and dating sites" can be debunked as well. I registered to a dating site in 2009 and the foids there were just as bad and ignorant. All conversations ended after 1-3 messages and i would get ghosted. Tinder did make a huge negative impact though i'm just saying.

As for now i'm a locationcel, shitty income (not being able to buy my own place, hence not being able to betabux), aging, looks deteriorating closer to NW3 saggier eye area etc (late 20s).