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Serious NYT ASKS, FEMINISTING ANSWERS: WILL SEX ROBOTS SAVE US FROM INCELS?

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BY JESS FOURNIER • 3 YEARS AGO

Last week, the New York Times raised my blood pressure with Ross Douthat’s op-ed titled “The Redistribution of Sex.” In it, Douthat ponders government-sponsored “sex redistribution” in order to prevent future mass murders like the one committed a few weeks ago in Toronto by Alek Minassian, a self-proclaimed “incel” (aka involuntary celibate) who murdered 10 people and wounded 14 others.

Motivated by a deeply misogynistic worldview, incels attack women because they believe they have been denied access to sex that they are “owed” as white, straight, cisgender men. Feminists have warned about the dangers of incel groups for years: they harass and doxx feminist journalists, advocate for rape, and are part of online fascist movements. And this isn’t the first time they’ve committed mass murder.

That’s right, folks! The New York Times paid Douthat to quote a conservative economist who compares the “suffering” of misogynistic white male incels to issues of income inequality that should be addressed through government-redistribution. While Douthat personally supports a return to traditional Christian sexual mores as a solution to the “the problem of sexlessness” produced by sexual liberation, he predicts that a combination of “sex workers and sex robots” will be employed in the near future to stop incels from going on murder sprees.

Douthat has been rightfully taken to task on many counts — particularly for seriously entertaining incels’ belief that they have a right to sex and for lumping together sex workers and sex robots as though sex workers are nothing more than expendable objects who exist to save abusive men from themselves, or to save non-sex-working women from abusive men.

Unfortunately, Douthat is not alone in his belief that the “problem of sexlessness” is real and worthy of our serious consideration in the wake of, again, mass murder.
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asked, “Surely, robot girlfriends are to sex inequality what universal basic income is to income inequality?” Even Dan Savage suggested that while male entitlement is to blame for attacks like Minassian’s, our society has a responsibility to accommodate the needs of men who are, in his view, “profoundly socially disabled to access the sex they can have – paid sex” as a means to “help prevent incels before they happen.”

These arguments take at face value the arguments made by incels themselves: that “the misery of sexual deprivation” is such a terrible fate that a reasonable, albeit extreme, response is murder. But reacting to “sexual deprivation” with murderous and misogynistic rage is a response unique to white, straight, cisgender men.

In her piece “Does Anyone Have the Right to Sex?” Amia Srinivasan notes that:
It is striking, though unsurprising, that while men tend to respond to sexual marginalisation with a sense of entitlement to women’s bodies, women who experience sexual marginalisation typically respond with talk not of entitlement but empowerment. Or, insofar as they do speak of entitlement, it is entitlement to respect, not to other people’s bodies.

As Srinivasan says, only certain people have constructed a narrative that blames an entire group of people (women) for their own sex lives or lack thereof.

Marginalized people who society frequently ridicules and presumes incapable of desiring or of being desired — fat people, disabled people, people of color, trans and queer people — have not created online communities to plot violent revenge against women. It is only white, straight, cisgender men — who are repeatedly told by our culture that theirs are the only desires that matter, that they are entitled to power over other people’s bodies — who react in this way.

The problem here isn’t sexlessness, but superiority. Celibacy is not a tragic state that drives people to mass murder. Incels’ desire for “sex redistribution” is not really about a desire to experience physiological gratification, but about a desire for power. In the incel mentality, sex is a means for men to “feel like men” by asserting their control over women’s bodies. And control of women’s bodies and reproductive capacities is a tenet of fascism, not a valid viewpoint to entertain.

Sex and power are linked for all of us, and there are trickier (and far more interesting) conversations to be had about that, such as exploring the way technology reflects sexist gender norms, how systems of oppression shape our conceptions of desirability, the interplay between identity and desire for marginalized people, the way AI will challenge our ethics of consent, and even the place of sex in a feminist worldview.

These are questions without easy answers. But one I can answer is whether we should be further humoring misogynistic men’s sense of entitlement to women’s bodies. And the answer is a resounding no.
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    Walter4 years ago
    Your characterization of incels as "white, straight, cisgender men" isn't completely accurate. Please see the following article from Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday...



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    blondein_tokyo4 years ago • edited
    You have misquoted Dan Savage and misrepresented his view. He did not say "he needs of men who are, in his view, “profoundly socially disabled to access the sex they can have – paid sex” as a means to “help prevent incels before they happen.”
    He said "Well, there are men out there who are so profoundly socially disabled—so socially awkward or maladapted or damaged—that they just as incapable of finding finding sex and/or romance through “normal” channels as a quadriplegic confined to a bed in his mother’s home.
    These are the guys who sometimes find their way to hateful, misogynistic online incel forums.
    I don't want any sex workers I know—I don't want any sex workers at all—to be alone in a room with a man filled with rage because he believes he was unfairly denied access to women’s bodies. I also don’t want sex workers to be alone with men filled with rage about “having” to pay for sex if paying for sex is the only way they can get it.
    Stigmatizing men who pay for sex as losers and running emasculating PSA campaigns ("Real Men Don't Buy Girls ," “Cool Men Don’t Buy Sex”) makes it harder for men who may be profoundly socially disabled to access the sex they can have—paid sex—without feeling worse about themselves than they already do."
    He's saying we shouldn't stigmatize sex work because in the long run it makes men who feel they have no choice other than to patronize a sex worker think there's something wrong with them, which leads to more men feeling angry and resentful about being a virgin.
    Then after expanding on the view that sex work should be seen in a positive way, he said:
    "A culture that honored sex workers and consensual sex work and didn't shame people for purchasing sex? That could alleviate a lot of misery. And it would help prevent incels before they happen."
    He is talking about changing society in a way that takes the shame out of sex so that people feel freer to have more sex, which in turn would prevent a lot of these men from succumbing to misogyny and anger.
    He also made a follow up post to clarify, just be sure no one misunderstood.
    But you didn't read that, did you?



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    NotBuyingIt4 years ago
    More 'feminism' equals less available women. Teach girls how to hate men, assign nonsensical titles like "cis" and "patriarchy", claim that foreplay is rape, and watch young men turn more away from established (and vitally necessary and natural) gender roles and become isolated and psychotic. Somehow, i think that catastrophe would serve the creators of this website just fine


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    John Anderson4 years ago
    "women who experience sexual marginalisation typically respond with talk not of entitlement but empowerment. "
    I disagree. For example the fat acceptance movement doesn't always stop with people shouldn't criticize or shame women (oddly enough there doesn't seem to be a fat acceptance movement for men except for the fetishized "dad bod"), it sometimes devolves into men should find women of different sizes attractive. What is the difference between that and incels except that some incels believe that they've done things that should make them attractive to women while feminists in the fat acceptance movement want men to be attracted to them despite not doing the things they believe would attract a man to them?
    Fact of the matter is that women who hurt for companionship are given empathy while men who are hurting are given scorn all the while feminists extol men to get in touch with their feelings. I guess it makes it so much easier to shame them for having them. If he's right, what's the problem? If he's wrong, what's the harm? Have feminists become the new moralists wanting to legislate the bedroom and introduce sodomy laws? Do men enjoying themselves with a high end sex toy or a prostitute (assuming that she consents to sex in exchange for money and isn't trafficked) really threaten you?


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Don't care about soysearcher's and journo's opinions on much... :smonk:

Not a viable or inexpensive method in the near future anyways. :feelsjuice:
 
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Lmao at sexbot copers who look forward to fucking that monstrosity :lul: :lul: :lul:
 
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http://feministing.com is the place to be if you want an insider of feminazi logic, i lurked there for years kek
sadly it's been ''defunded'' , whores couldn't pay the bills :feelsgah:
 
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the only sex robots that would work would have to be westworld quality
 
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read one sentence. weak """"""""journalist"""""""" bait :feelsseriously:
 
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"blah blah blah white men blah blah blah"
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After reading al that non sense I think sexless is like the original way the society works .
See if you look at the hierarchy of man It is classified by various parameters such as net income, wealth, physique
and many more and these exist for more than thousands of year. It's form has changed but basic nature remains the same.
When someone says work with your own league or get a sex doll they are cementing our thoughts. We look at daily lives of people and the only conclusion we can make is that we are doomed to live like that
 
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1.) There isn't enough parts to build the robots for all the single men of the world nor is there enough batteries for a power source concerning manufacturing or mass production.

2.) It's not just about sex which of course these vapid feminist cunts like to make all of inceldom about, it's also about female companionship enjoying the personal company of a woman. A sex robot isn't going to supply that, a sex robot isn't going to supply a wife, family, and children.

3.) We're on the verge of civilization collapse right now as everything stands and it is pretty fucking hilarious that for a bunch of college educated cunts can't see that. Won't they be surprised when that arrives.

4.) There is literally nothing that is going to save women from themselves and as far as male incels are concerned the damage is irreversible of creating so many over several generations where civilization is really going to burn when more of the male population is reduced to incel status.
[Then there is going to be the subsequent insurrections everywhere afterward.]

Cunts wanted to rule the world over men, this is exactly the fucking world you asked for, you can all get fucked when the real consequences start to take its toll overtime.

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