Not sure if I want a relationship tbh

[TheLastandtheFirst]

In my mid 20s.

I actually don’t even know if I really want a relationship tbh. I’m so used to having so much autonomy and feeling hurt that the idea of someone taking autonomy away from me horrifies me, because unless I really find a woman who loves who I am, I know I’ll just continue feeling hurt but with less energy and autonomy. I can’t imagine some normie relationships where the chick dictates what male friends he’s allowed to have or how much time he’s allowed to spend with other dudes (I’ve seen this happen to some friends who have broken off from me for exactly this reason).

And considering I’m entering through the gate of betabucks land and I got to never experience just innocent desire and developing sexually with a female friend in my youth, I am deep down still a hurt middle schooler, and I really feel like any relationship I have will just end up with some woman taking advantage of my inner hurt child and hurting him even more, along with the loss of time, energy, money, and autonomy.

I bet if I somehow found a chick who loved me who doesn’t annoy me I would be willing to give up that autonomy, but for the most part, nah.

 

[THE TRUE HONKLER]

we are like prisoners or psych ward patients who get institutionalized

 

[Retardinator]

I desire a relationship a lot. Even marriage.
But only with a young teenage virgin. My dream would be to marry a cute 14 year old (in video game only or I would get banned)

Not gonna date some roastie, and I'm never gonna betabucks

 

[Nikalas]

Most incel 2023-cel

 

[lumipallo]

I can’t imagine some normie relationships where the chick dictates what male friends he’s allowed to have

Sorry but sounds like sour grapes. One of those coping phases we all go through.

 

[TheLastandtheFirst]

Sorry but sounds like sour grapes. One of those coping phases we all go through.

I consciously try to avoid sour grapes. But I swear to god that’s how I honest to god feeling. Maybe my mind has been permanently warped to be on sour grapes mode 24/7.

 

[NoLooksNoLife]

Pump and dump a slutina or some shit then, GrAYcel

 

[My Name Jeff]

I know what you mean, but still even if relationships are as horrible as we perceive it is something men should experience at least once, us not having that is robbing us of the experience

 

[SeetheBot9000]

Yeah ig where you are coming from and I do have similar thoughts although if a girl really did provide me a true ascension I think parting with some freedoms for the sake of not being foreveralone is worth it. Not like I am doing much with my freedoms anyway.

And considering I’m entering through the gate of betabucks land and I got to never experience just innocent desire and developing sexually with a female friend in my youth, I am deep down still a hurt middle schooler, and I really feel like any relationship I have will just end up with some woman taking advantage of my inner hurt child and hurting him even more, along with the loss of time, energy, money, and autonomy.

This is what kills me and many otherd. We are essentially asked to skip milestones. We are asked to go straight to the adult relationship without developing with the adolescent one first. Everyone focuses on age rather than maturity and ignores that most incels are far too immature and that it isn't our fault.
"Oh, you just want a girl who is a virgin and immature and innocent because you are really a pedo who wants a child!"
Um, but I am also those things? I just want a foid that doesn't fucking mog me to death in terms of life experience. Fuckers talk about le "power dynamic" in age gap relationships, but isn't there a potential power dynamic if I were to be with a foid who outstrips me in relationship/sexual experience by YEARS and MULTIPLE BODIES/RELATIONSHIPS?

But they will never talk about that.

 

[TheLastandtheFirst]

Yeah ig where you are coming from and I do have similar thoughts although if a girl really did provide me a true ascension I think parting with some freedoms for the sake of not being foreveralone is worth it. Not like I am doing much with my freedoms anyway.

This is what kills me and many otherd. We are essentially asked to skip milestones. We are asked to go straight to the adult relationship without developing with the adolescent one first. Everyone focuses on age rather than maturity and ignores that most incels are far too immature and that it isn't our fault.
"Oh, you just want a girl who is a virgin and immature and innocent because you are really a pedo who wants a child!"
Um, but I am also those things? I just want a foid that doesn't fucking mog me to death in terms of life experience. Fuckers talk about le "power dynamic" in age gap relationships, but isn't there a potential power dynamic if I were to be with a foid who outstrips me in relationship/sexual experience by YEARS and MULTIPLE BODIES/RELATIONSHIPS?

But they will never talk about that.

I don’t even mind a woman having more experience, like I’m blackpilled enough to the point that it’s expected.

The problem is women themselves demand a man who is more experienced, yet most women are more experienced than most men. They will always resent you that you don’t fit the bill of being the handsome Prince who takes them for an adventure of life.

Even if you start dating a girl who doesn’t mind your awkwardness, she will hate you when she finds out your inexperience.

 

[SeetheBot9000]

The problem is women themselves demand a man who is more experienced, yet most women are more experienced than most men. They will always resent you that you don’t fit the bill of being the handsome Prince who takes them for an adventure of life.

Yep, they want their shining knight. How tf is a guy with no relationship experience supposed to "take the reigns" as it were? It would perhaps work if a foid was willing to take the reigns and be more the "mommy" type. But that doesn't exist and is mainly a fantasy.

Even if you start dating a girl who doesn’t mind your awkwardness, she will hate you when she finds out your inexperience.

Yep.

 

[Swagpilled]

turbocope

 

[BarrelStuffer]

This is what kills me and many otherd. We are essentially asked to skip milestones. We are asked to go straight to the adult relationship without developing with the adolescent one first. Everyone focuses on age rather than maturity and ignores that most incels are far too immature and that it isn't our fault.
"Oh, you just want a girl who is a virgin and immature and innocent because you are really a pedo who wants a child!"
Um, but I am also those things? I just want a foid that doesn't fucking mog me to death in terms of life experience. Fuckers talk about le "power dynamic" in age gap relationships, but isn't there a potential power dynamic if I were to be with a foid who outstrips me in relationship/sexual experience by YEARS and MULTIPLE BODIES/RELATIONSHIPS?

But they will never talk about that.

That pretty much destroys all age cuck arguments tbh. They might argue that your brain develops more as you age but life experience still vastly trumps that. Teenagers that faught in wars in the past would mog adult men 20+ years older due to going through something like that. Age cucks just don’t like seeing older men get to be happy with younger better looking women.

 

[SeetheBot9000]

That pretty much destroys all age cuck arguments tbh. They might argue that your brain develops more as you age but life experience still vastly trumps that. Teenagers that faught in wars in the past would mog adult men 20+ years older due to going through something like that. Age cucks just don’t like seeing older men get to be happy with younger better looking women.

Yep, ultimately physical and mental development is RADICALLY different between different people. Age really is just a number (HURR DURR THATS WOT LE PEDOS SAY)

I only focus on younger girls so much because there is more chance they are not so far ahead in terms of development than me. Also I look young for my age so I like girls to look/be younger too. Half these fucking girls my age would be mistaken for my mother if I went out with them. So for me I like girls in my age range but I like them to be much more immature both mentally and physically for their age, just like I am. Gets me called a pedo but w/e, what can an incel do?

 

[Doomer Guy]

I'm either going to marry a virgin young woman who shares similar interests with me, or die alone and escortmaxx

 

[TheLastandtheFirst]

That pretty much destroys all age cuck arguments tbh. They might argue that your brain develops more as you age but life experience still vastly trumps that. Teenagers that faught in wars in the past would mog adult men 20+ years older due to going through something like that. Age cucks just don’t like seeing older men get to be happy with younger better looking women.

In Western religion / philosophy, we usually divided up man between the "body" and the "soul", the "mundane" and the "spiritual".
It truly is stunning how men can be totally developed in one area but totally immature in another. I feel like dating (at least these days) is 100% in the former.

I've met urban business professionals who held high moral standards for themselves, are religious, pursue "higher" things, etc. yet have no awareness of how social power-dynamics work because they totally lack life experience dating wise and were total failures at masculine social expectations - even if they are married.

Yet I've been to local dives and met loser college kids who, as far as I can tell, are getting nowhere careerwise, but are chadlites and above average in attractiveness and spend their weekends pumping and dumping women.

It is stunning how those loser college kids can come across as way more seasoned, way more mature, and way more sociable than men in their mid-20s and early 30s who easily earn twice as much as those loser kids will, just by virtue of fucking women.

There can't be an omnibenevolent God, his creations are a meme, a dirty joke.

 

[Izayacel]

short term only these days .

comitting to a Woman is Retarded .

 

[LeFrenchCel]

What?
You don't want to have a long-term relationship with a used up woman who has seen kilometers of dick before yours and whose loyalty is really questionable?
I don't see why someone who'd refuse that

 

[mrlunatic]

In my mid 20s.

I actually don’t even know if I really want a relationship tbh. I’m so used to having so much autonomy and feeling hurt that the idea of someone taking autonomy away from me horrifies me, because unless I really find a woman who loves who I am, I know I’ll just continue feeling hurt but with less energy and autonomy. I can’t imagine some normie relationships where the chick dictates what male friends he’s allowed to have or how much time he’s allowed to spend with other dudes (I’ve seen this happen to some friends who have broken off from me for exactly this reason).

And considering I’m entering through the gate of betabucks land and I got to never experience just innocent desire and developing sexually with a female friend in my youth, I am deep down still a hurt middle schooler, and I really feel like any relationship I have will just end up with some woman taking advantage of my inner hurt child and hurting him even more, along with the loss of time, energy, money, and autonomy.

I bet if I somehow found a chick who loved me who doesn’t annoy me I would be willing to give up that autonomy, but for the most part, nah.

I never wanted a relationship. Let's be real, men like us will never experience love. Women are capable of loving only handsome hunks.

So what's the point of running behind something that u won't get? So i just want to fuck a foid. Even if i do it once, it'll take all that pressure off me and I'll finally be at peace

 

[TheLastandtheFirst]

So i just want to fuck a foid. Even if i do it once, it'll take all that pressure off me and I'll finally be at peace

That still won’t fix you. Until you get to a point where you can confidently pull women, you’ll always feel inferior. Not to mention that even if you could confidently pull women, you would have remorse over your wasted youth.

That’s not to mention that there’s good sex and bad sex. You’ll probably have bad sex the first time you get it, and it likely won’t even be with the most beautiful in shape woman. You’ll also fall into newcomers pitfalls like Whiskey dick - you take a chick out to a bar with the intention of fucking her later, and then you’ll be nervous, drink too much alcohol, and be unable to get erect due to a combination of alcohol and nervousness when the act happens.

That’s not to mention that even if you confidently can get bad sex from subhuman chicks, you’ll resent the fact that the woman you actually are sexually attracted to - most above average women - will be disgusted at you and never love you.

That’s not to mention that even if you were a Chad, you would be exposed to female nature and be unable to love such a person unless she was special.

Not to mention even if you found a special someone and married her, her personality would drastically change after marriage and after the first kid to the point that you wont even know who you married.

The void never ends.

 

[Kamikaze69]

I desire a relationship a lot. Even marriage.
But only with a young teenage virgin. My dream would be to marry a cute 14 year old (in video game only or I would get banned)

Not gonna date some roastie, and I'm never gonna betabucks

Exactly man. For marriage we should only marry pure virgin chaste foids

 

[Kamikaze69]

I never wanted a relationship. Let's be real, men like us will never experience love. Women are capable of loving only handsome hunks.

So what's the point of running behind something that u won't get? So i just want to fuck a foid. Even if i do it once, it'll take all that pressure off me and I'll finally be at peace

Women are not capable of pure love. They only love looks, money and status

 

[TheLastandtheFirst]

Women are not capable of pure love. They only love looks, money and status

“Pure love” doesn’t exist. It’s a coping mechanism used by people who have 0 value.

What would be a “pure love” relationship;
“Whoa dude I met this chick that likes Blink-182 and watches fucking “The Sandman” on Netflix, and she’s into geeky video game stuff bro, our relationship is pure”

Love isn’t pure. It’s all conditioned on something that usually isn’t really “you” -Someone sees something about somebody else that is pleasing to them (selfishness), and they are willing to not be as selfish due to that. That’s love.


View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JKPD8jChw94


The only one who could give you that kind of unconditional love is a deity, but assuming they are real, they give you love in exchange for devotion and therefore more power over your mind and over other human beings. You are a utilitarian means to an end. Better than being a delicious host for a female parasite, because they love you for you. But even divine love is selfish.

 

[Kamikaze69]

“Pure love” doesn’t exist. It’s a coping mechanism used by people who have 0 value.

What would be a “pure love” relationship;
“Whoa dude I met this chick that likes Blink-182 and watches fucking “The Sandman” on Netflix, and she’s into geeky video game stuff bro, our relationship is pure”

Love isn’t pure. It’s all conditioned on something that usually isn’t really “you” -Someone sees something about somebody else that is pleasing to them (selfishness), and they are willing to not be as selfish due to that. That’s love.


View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JKPD8jChw94


The only one who could give you that kind of unconditional love is a deity, but assuming they are real, they give you love in exchange for devotion and therefore more power over your mind and over other human beings. You are a utilitarian means to an end. Better than being a delicious host for a female parasite, because they love you for you. But even divine love is selfish.

Philosophymaxxing

 

[TheLastandtheFirst]

Philosophymaxxing

Real talk, it’s probably the reason I didn’t ascend in college. I found that way more interesting than making a game of reproduction, such that I didn’t even bother.

Granted, I am below average looking and had such low self esteem at that point I subconsciously felt like I couldn’t even achieve that, so I found other shit to fill the time. And I had minimum self worth from the fact that all my teachers / professors thought I was a good kid.

Now I’m in my mid 20s, and I am no longer the “good kid” - my adult professionals think I’m a fucking weirdo, and all my peers all pick up after a month or so that I don’t date and they kind of distance themselves from me. I’m actually a really loving dude in real life; I’m usually put into a camp of “he’s a good guy” or “fucking weirdo”, and every relationship I’ve had goes from the former to the latter over time. Even my closest friendship I’ve ever had in my entire life and was the first time I genuinely felt loved ended when the dude’s girlfriend forced him to cut me off because she thought I was creepy looking and weird (her attitude changed when she realized I’m not attractive to women). Didn’t invite me to his wedding.

 

[seikko]

Same i don't think i ever will find love so why bother

 

[Kamikaze69]

Real talk, it’s probably the reason I didn’t ascend in college. I found that way more interesting than making a game of reproduction, such that I didn’t even bother.

Granted, I am below average looking and had such low self esteem at that point I subconsciously felt like I couldn’t even achieve that, so I found other shit to fill the time. And I had minimum self worth from the fact that all my teachers / professors thought I was a good kid.

Now I’m in my mid 20s, and I am no longer the “good kid” - my adult professionals think I’m a fucking weirdo, and all my peers all pick up after a month or so that I don’t date and they kind of distance themselves from me. I’m actually a really loving dude in real life; I’m usually put into a camp of “he’s a good guy” or “fucking weirdo”, and every relationship I’ve had goes from the former to the latter over time. Even my closest friendship I’ve ever had in my entire life and was the first time I genuinely felt loved ended when the dude’s girlfriend forced him to cut me off because she thought I was creepy looking and weird (her attitude changed when she realized I’m not attractive to women). Didn’t invite me to his wedding.

Brutal

 

[spasticbuddy]

Brutal