Serious nofap deniers are fucking batshit. in fact, debate me on nofap, fellow incels. if i am proved wrong then i will break my current 24 day streak.

[Semicel]

Yes but it has the same effect PHYSICALLY, that's his point, he's making an argument I made so many times to nofap retards, sex (full body workout) requires a higher energy output than masturbation (workout using just one hand), so the argument that you "have more energy" is retarded because why aren't normies tired all the time then from sex, the effects of nofap are all in your head, its a placebo, you've tricked yourself into SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

Nope, do the research.
When you have sex, your brain releases a chemical to bond you with your mate. When you orgasm but don't have a mate, it makes you depressed.

 

[Fontaine]

The No Fap Hoax

TL;DR

YBOP, TGPE, and nofap are founded on the views of two people who are considered pariahs within the sex and relationship research and clinical communities. They present themselves as experts but aren’t. There’s no empirical research evidence to support any of the claims made by YBOP and TGPE. All the claims about negative effects of internet porn use can be better accounted for by other explanations. Watching internet porn (hopefully ethically produced!) and masturbating are not problematic for the vast majority of people. And for those people who do have a problem with internet porn, it’s almost always a sign of some other underlying problem (shame, anxiety, fear of rejection, relationship problems, boredom, low self-esteem, lack of good sex education, etc.). Addressing those underlying problems should be people’s focus, not abstaining from masturbation to internet porn.

LONG VERSION
Before I get into the problems with YBOP, TGPE, and nofap, a bit about my background to show that I have some expertise in the area. I have PhD in psychology and have studied human sexuality extensively. I’ve published several first-authour papers in reputable peer-reviewed academic journals such as the Archives of Sexual Behaviour and the Journal of Sex Research. I teach a class on human sexuality at one of Canada’s top-ranked universities. I’m also part of a global email listserve that’s populated by many of the best minds (i.e., researchers, theorists and clinicians) in the field of human sexuality. YBOP, TGPE, and nofap have all been discussed extensively on the listserve (well, mostly criticized and ridiculed, largely because Marnia Robinson takes every opportunity she can to spam the list with her claims). So I’m not just another internet hero who thinks he’s boss when he’s clearly not.

On to YBOP, TGPE, and nofap…

This whole movement stems entirely from the work of two people: Marnia Robinson and her partner Gary Wilson (R&W). They are on a crusade against internet pornography. Wilson is a high school science teacher and adjunct instructor at Southern Oregon University, and Robinson is an ex-lawyer who is now a sex and relationship therapist. Neither one of them have been formally educated in research or clinical psychology, and neither one of them have a PhD (i.e., they’re not Drs.). YourBrainOnPorn.com is a pet project of theirs, tied into talks, books, articles, and Ms. Robinson’s therapy practice (Reuniting.info). They run YourBrainOnPorn.com. Wilson is the presenter of the TEDx talk, “The Great Porn Experiment”. R&W regularly blog their work online at “Psychology Today,” which is a non-academic magazine, although I’ve heard rumblings that their gigue may be up. Robinson is also the co-authour of “Cupid’s Poison Arrow,” a non-academic book about her views on sex and relationships. Their website, the TEDx talk and their publications give them a veneer of scientific expertise.

If you do some digging, you’ll find that the links (not people’s personal blogs) in the reddit/r/nofap FAQs are all from the same source: the work of R&W. There’s a reason why there are no other sources – no experts have bought into their theories and viewpoints. R&W have a history of manipulating and/or misrepresenting research findings to support their ideology and claims, ignoring studies (and parts of studies) they’ve cited that contradict them, discussing indirect evidence as if it’s direct supporting evidence, and citing bad research.

R&W are pariahs within the world of sex research and clinical practice. I’m not being an intellectual snob (or at least, I hope I’m not); it’s just that what they’re claiming is completely unsupported by research. This is not to say that they’re trying to deceive people. They clearly believe the ideas they’re promoting, and that they’re making the world a better place. And who knows, perhaps future research will prove them to be correct (I doubt it).

R&W make a litany of claims about the harms of internet porn use. I’ll address a few of the most egregious ones in an effort to keep this short enough that people will hopefully read it. Keep in mind, though, that NONE of R&W’s theories and claims are supported by any peer-reviewed research. It’s all simply speculation presented as fact. They’ve also made what’s considered the gravest error in the research world – interpreting personal anecdotes as empirical evidence.

DOPAMINE AND BRAIN RE-WIRING
Dopamine plays a central in role in the neural networks of the brain that respond to reward. All rewarding (i.e., pleasurable) experiences are associated with increased dopamine activity and increased activity in the corresponding regions of the brain. These experiences can be anything pleasurable for the individual. Neuroplasticity (or re-wiring, as R&W call it) is a phenomenon that occurs all throughout life, although brain development slows down as people enter into adulthood. All our experiences can potentially cause re-wiring, and our wiring influences the way we experience things (i.e., it’s a two-way street). This is a good thing.

The reward system has been the focus of much substance addiction research and many people have claimed that behavioural addictions have the same underlying neurological causes/effects. Within the larger research community, however, there’s still no consensus on so-called behavioural addictions having long-term effects on brain functioning, similar to what’s seen in substance addictions. Many people are very skeptical of behavioural addictions in general, such as internet addictions, sex addictions, porn addictions, etc., as there simply isn’t any strong evidence to show the same degree of brain changes that are seen in people with substance addictions. There are some addiction organizations in the states that equate behaviour and substance addictions; however, this doesn’t represent the views of the entire mental health/medical community.

The most important point, with reference to R&W, is that there is NO evidence whatsoever that watching internet porn causes detrimental changes in the dopamine-reward system (i.e., their whole re-wiring hypothesis). R&W have simply extrapolated from animal models of substance addiction and sexual behaviour (e.g., hamsters, sheep, rats, etc.) to humans watching internet porn. A great example of this is in the TGPE video. Wilson claims, “At the same time, other physical changes in the brain make it hypereactive to porn…”. There is not one single study that has shown this! It’s simply speculation presented as fact.

INTERNET PORN CAUSES MENTAL DISORDERS
In the TGPE video, Wilson states that internet porn use is associated with various clinical disorders including ADHD, depression, social anxiety and OCD. He opposes the prescription of medications to treat these disorders and states, “Guys don’t realize that they can overcome these symptoms simply by changing their behaviour [masturbation to internet porn].” As someone trained in psychology, I find this extremely problematic and entirely unethical. There are literally piles of peer-reviewed research showing that people with mental disorders and/or other psychological problems will often self-medicate with rewarding behaviour or substances. This is at the core of addiction. In other words, the rewarding behaviour (in this case masturbation to orgasm while watching porn) allows the individual to escape from the symptoms caused by his/her mental disorder or psychological problems. There is NO research showing that internet pornography causes mental disorders – none. It’s the other way around – psychological problems and mental disorders can lead to problematic porn use as a means to cope and self-medicate. Wilson is simply presenting his ideology as fact, and in this case, it’s dangerous. People should be seeking treatment for their mental disorders.

ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION
R&W claim that masturbation to internet pornography can cause erectile dysfunction (ED). While they note that porn-induced ED can happen when watching porn, their main concern is ED with a partner. R&W state that through desensitization, men become unable to achieve and maintain erections when with a partner. This desensitization happens because of re-wiring of the brain in response to internet porn (both the vast quantity and variety). R&W tie this into the Coolidge effect. In animals (and likely humans too, although it’s ethically impossible to do the research), introduction of a novel partner to a sexually satiated animal will lead to renewed sexual interest/behaviour.

There is NO empirical evidence to support the porn-ED theory with the exception of an Italian study that R&W repeatedly cite. What R&W don’t tell you is that the study was poorly constructed, and was only presented at a urology conference. It was never peer-reviewed nor published in a reputable journal. In other words, it’s a weak study. Because it hasn’t been published, it’s impossible to evaluate its quality, but based on what’s been reported, it’s a correlational study that didn’t control for many possible confounds (i.e., alternate explanations for the findings). Also, it says nothing about brain re-wiring and ED.

There are, however, far better explanations for the ED that some porn users experience than desensitization of the brain due to brain re-wiring:

1. The more frequent the orgasms, and the longer the stimulation leading up to orgasm, the weaker the subsequent sexual response before being fully recharged. In other words, if you’re fapping for an hour during the day to porn, and then your partner wants to have sex that evening, of course you’re not going to be as interested or respond as strongly. You already used up your mojo, or at least some of it. Abstaining from masturbation and sex will have the opposite effect.

2. Some men will grip themselves in a specific way, or tightly, when they masturbate. Then, when they’re with a real partner, the sensation is different and/or not as intense. This can lead to ED and/or delayed ejaculation.

3. A man whose sole sex life is with himself will likely feel anxiety when with a real partner. And anxiety if a boner killer.

4. Abstaining from masturbation/sex leads to greater and stronger orgasms and ejaculation in the future. This idea has been around for 100s of years. It ties into point 1, as well. This is different than saying that internet porn causes ED.

5. Men may be experiencing ED with, and lack of interest in, their partners for many other reasons (e.g., boredom, relationship conflict, lack of attraction, performance anxiety, etc.).

ESCALATION
Another one of the claims made by R&W is that internet pornography use causes a change in sexual preferences described by R&W as, “escalation to bizarre porn.” This is an oft-repeated statement by the anti-pornography movement. It’s been repeated so many times over the years that people have started to believe that it’s true. It simply isn’t – there is NO empirical evidence to support this claim. And besides, what’s wrong with “bizarre porn,” as long as everyone in it is consenting and it’s ethically produced? A great example of this would be kink.com, a massive ethical producer of various types of kinky (i.e., “bizarre”) internet pornography.

There is a group of porn users who do exhibit tastes in porn that are more atypical (i.e., “bizarre”). However, these users are the minority, and nobody knows if it’s the internet porn use that’s leading to their choices, or if they’re simply people who are curious, kinky, like any content that’s sexual (including content that is more atypical), and/or are simply trying to find what turns them on the most (i.e., it’s exploratory).

In response to R&W, one of the authours of “A Billion Wicked Thoughts,” a book describing a massive study of internet searches (hundreds of thousands) and people’s sexual preferences, stated that men’s tastes in pornography are very stable (more so than women’s, even). Men tend to search for the same few things over and over again. The study showed that less than 1% of people searching for pornography on the web searched for more than four different content types. The 1% typically searched for eight. So, according to their data, “escalation to bizarre porn” simply does not happen. Keep in mind, though, that the study isn’t published in a peer-reviewed journal. But from all appearances and reviews, it does seem to be sound.

TESTOSTERONE
In the reddit/r/nofap FAQs, it states that one of the benefits of nofap is a serum testosterone boost. This is based on the results of a single study published in a Chinese university’s journal. This is an extremely obscure journal, presumably published to try to garner the university’s researchers some exposure, and therefore credibility. I’d be far more likely to give this study any attention if it was published in a reputable journal.

As for the study, it showed that men who were abstinent exhibited a statistically significant increase in testosterone on day 7. For days 1-6, there was no difference, and then on day 8, testosterone decreased back to baseline (i.e., there was no statistically significant difference in testosterone when days 1 and 8 were compared). Assuming this finding could be replicated and the research was sound, the take away message is that being abstinent leads to a spike in testosterone only on day 7, on average, across men. That’s it. I don’t think this is surprising – if you haven’t had a sexual release for a few days you’re going to get some pent up sexual energy, which is correlated with increased testosterone. Eventually the body will get used to that state, and the pent up feeling will dissipate and testosterone will return to baseline.

So, what does this mean, assuming the science is good? If you’re interested in having a testosterone spike for a single day (I’m not sure why you’d want this – there’s no correlation between acute testosterone levels and any performance improvement), then don’t masturbate or have sex for 7 days. You’ll then need to repeat the pattern if you want to have another spike. I’m sure you’ll be cranky as all hell for that week, though.

WHAT BETTER EXPLAINS THIS SO-CALLED INTERNET PORN PROBLEM?
All the claims put forward by R&W have not been studied, and perhaps future research will validate some of the nutty things they’ve stated. But for the time being, there are several much better possible explanations for what R&W have claimed.

Laziness and Fear of Rejection
Not having an easy sexual outlet (i.e., masturbating to internet porn) means that you’re going to have to work (or work harder) to meet real sexual partners. This may mean being less lazy, being more courageous, getting over being shy, etc. And in doing so, you’ll likely feel better about yourself (you accomplished something that is challenging). So, it’s not that the internet porn is making you avoid partners, it’s that you’re turning to porn because you’re avoiding partners. It’s a positive feedback loop – the cycle reinforces itself (more avoidance, more porn).

Coping with Unpleasant Thoughts, Feelings and Moods
If you use masturbation and porn as a means to cope with (i.e., self-medicate) negative moods (e.g., boredom), feelings (i.e., depression, anxiety) and thoughts (e.g., low self-esteem, fear of rejection), stopping will force you to confront these underlying problems. Alternatively, you might start doing some other rewarding activity as a new way of coping, allowing yourself to keep avoiding that underlying problem. It could be watching lots of TV, playing video games, spending hours surfing the internet, spending piles of money shopping, gambling, exercising non-stop, working a lot, etc. These could all potentially be coping mechanisms that function as escapes from unpleasant moods, feelings and thoughts. Without these coping behaviours, it would mean confronting some demons and unpleasant moods, feeling and thoughts.

A Sense of Regained Control
If you’re someone who feels like you lack control in your life, and lack power and agency, stopping your use of porn and masturbating will give you a new sense of control. This, in turn, will positively affect your perception of yourself. You’ll feel confident, strong, courageous, etc., but this is simply because you’ve overcome a strong natural urge and therefore have increased your sense of agency and accomplishment. But the behaviour you could force yourself to control could be anything – it’s not that there’s something special about porn and masturbation other than the fact that sex drive can be an extremely powerful urge, and that it is a source of shame and guilt.

If you’re looking to have a sense of control, increased agency over your life, and greater self-esteem, choose to take control of a behaviour that’s actually unhealthy – cut out pop (soda, for you Americans), eat less fast food, eat better, get more exercise, force yourself to read books, take a class, go out and meet people, etc. There are lots of challenging changes that you can make that will give you a sense of agency and personal strength. With those change will come increased self-esteem. Why waste your time trying to stop a behaviour that is generally harmless (assuming all the other points have been addressed)?

The Roles of Shame, Guilt and Anxiety
Ask yourself how you feel about masturbating to internet porn? Almost all people will report some guilt, shame, embarrassment and anxiety. This is something that has been ingrained in people – that it’s bad and that you’re a bad person because of it. There’s a reason that a large proportion of the nofappers are religious and virgins. The guilt is strong in them.

If you experience shame, guilt and anxiety about masturbation and porn, then of course you’ll feel better if you stop masturbating and using porn. It doesn’t mean that there’s anything particularly harmful about internet porn (studies show that for most people, porn has no lasting negative effects – one European study showed that it can even have positive effects). A far better solution is to just accept that for almost all people, masturbation is a normal and healthy part of their lives, and therefore not something to cause you shame. Porn use can also be part of a healthy sex life (on your own or with partners), too, although I’d highly recommend that you only use porn that is ethically produced (that’s an entirely different topic of discussion). Neither masturbation or ethically produced and consumed porn are intrinsically unhealthy, as long as they are not getting in the way of day-to-day life and relationships.

Relationship Problems
People often turn to pornography as a sexual outlet when there are problems in their intimate relationships. Problems can include all sorts of things, such as: resentment, anger, hostility, apathy, communication break-down, sexual dissatisfaction, lack of attraction, boredom, etc. Based on the claims of R&W, internet pornography causes lack of intimacy and once its use stops, intimacy will return. This simply isn’t the case. The underlying relationship problems need to be addressed, and once they do, intimacy will return and pornography, as the primary sexual outlet, will take a back seat to the real thing.

The Placebo Effect
The placebo effect is very real. The more someone invests time, resources and energy in change (i.e., treatment), the more that person wants to believe that real change has happened. Going cold turkey, when it comes to masturbation and porn, takes a lot of work and willpower – the urge for sexual release is extremely strong. People therefore want to believe that their work (i.e., being abstinent) has paid off. Another spin off is that when we feel like we’ve worked hard, we also tend to feel good about ourselves.

Crappy Sex Education
People are either not getting sex education, or are getting really bad sex education. Good sex ed should discuss pornography, and pornography use, with kids. Too many kids are learning about sex from pornography, and not in class. Pornography is fantasy – it’s not real. It’s a marketable product, subject to the whims of consumer preferences. So if you’re someone with no sex ed, but you’ve watched lots of porn, when it comes time to have sex with a real person, you’ll be in for a complete shock. Kids should learn about responsible pornography use, and how it doesn’t represent reality both in terms of how the people look and what sex is like. I assume that many of the problems reported by young porn users are directly related to lack of understanding about pornography and how it relates to the real world.

CONCLUSION
YBOP, TGPE, and nofap are fundamentally about fear mongering and sex-negativity. All the claims made are founded on R&W’s own myopic view of what sex should be (read Robinson’s website Reuniting.info if you want a taste of it). The whole nofap (i.e., reboot) thing is just like all other empirically unsupported trends in health – it’ll eventually disappear. Having said that, there’s probably no harm in doing the nofap thing other than some crankiness relating to lack of sexual outlet, and the negative thoughts and feelings that go along with beating yourself up if you fail (which is silly, in my opinion). So if you want to do the nofap challenge, knock yourselves out.

And yes, internet pornography use can be problematic for some people. When it is, it’s almost always a sign of some other underlying problem (shame, anxiety, fear of rejection, relationship problems, boredom, low self-esteem, lack of good sex education, etc.). Addressing those underlying problems should be people’s focus, not abstaining from masturbation and sex.

I’ll end with an analogy:
Internet porn is like fast food. It’s full of fatty, salty, artificial deliciousness, but it has no nutritional value whatsoever. Having a real sex partner(s), and assuming you’re doing sex right, is like eating a well-balanced diet. This might mean a little fast food now and again, especially if your fridge is empty. But if you eat nothing but fast food, you’re going to be unhealthy.

So many words to justify your vice...

There's nothing healthy in masturbation. Actually, sex in general. You'll understand when you're older.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

>artificially inducing abstinence doesnt induce the same effects as willfully doing it so

wooooooooow shocking

You seem pretty emotionally defensive about this cult.

Oh well, keep thinking not masturbating will give you an IQ of 200 and turn into into Chico Lachowski.

 

[mylifeistrash]

nofap is legit if you have erection problems

I don't think anyone here will ever care about that

 

[BlkPillPres]

Nope, do the research.
When you have sex, your brain releases a chemical to bond you with your mate. When you orgasm but don't have a mate, it makes you depressed.

1. Thanks for stating the obvious, but being depressed =/= being tired or lacking energy. His argument is just that it doesn't affect your energy levels, you are moving the goal post to it affecting your "motivation" to utilize energy.

2. Do you know what makes you more depressed than orgasming without a sexual partner present, NOT ORGASMING EVER and being horny 24/7, so IDK use a little common sense and the best option becomes apparent lol.

There's nothing healthy in masturbation. Actually, sex in general

SEX IN GENERAL
SEX IN GENERAL
SEX IN GENERAL
SEX IN GENERAL
SEX IN GENERAL
SEX IN GENERAL
SEX IN GENERAL

 

[BlkPillPres]

Incessant fapping will ultimately lead to a desire for a bigger thrill and then you’ll end up wanting to escortcel..

I want to escortcel and plan on doing so actually

Honestly the last thing I’d want to do is fund femoid privilege. Literally makes my blood boil that they can get PAID for an activity that we crave.

Sorry but I'm not fucking my biological chemistry up for nobody, your point doesn't stand because women are getting paid for sex regardless, dating and relationships function under a model of prostitution, all men pay, you actually pay significantly less if you just escortcel

Your suggestion to me is to basically neuter myself JFL, that's literally doing societies job for you, they want all of us undesirables to do just that, you're just letting them win, I'd become a rapist and punish foids before I'd take a T Blocker, that shit is sad and pathetic, and literally what women want a guy like you to do. If you told a stacey you did this she'd probably give you a little pat on the head for being a good boy.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

even though you are willingly choosing not to improve yourself and up your SMV in exchange for temporary pleasure

This is bullshit.

Not fapping might improve my motivation/energy, but saying it will up my SMV doesn't even make sense.

 

[Semicel]

So many words to justify your vice...

There's nothing healthy in masturbation. Actually, sex in general. You'll understand when you're older.

This pic is getting more and more relevant with each post.

1. Thanks for stating the obvious, but being depressed =/= being tired or lacking energy. His argument is just that it doesn't affect your energy levels, you are moving the goal post to it affecting your "motivation" to utilize energy.

2. Do you know what makes you more depressed than orgasming without a sexual partner present, NOT ORGASMING EVER and being horny 24/7, so IDK use a little common sense and the best option becomes apparent lol.

1. I was just trying to point out how masturbation doesn't have the same effects as sex.

2. Nope. If you could manage to quit your midget tranny gangbang porn, you'd be convinced you're wrong. Or won't want to admit it to continue watching your precious porn. Don't you feel like shit everytime you cum? Maybe you don't, maybe you're desentisized and feel like shit in general so you can't even tell the difference.
Also, when we're talking about energy, it isn't only physical energy. Yes, having sex takes more energy than stroking your dick with your hand. But you know how sometimes when you wake up, you feel like shit, like you haven't slept at all? That's what we're talking about. So physical+mental energy. You have more motivation to do something and more energy to follow through.

The only one coping here is you mate. Coping that your habit is perfectly normal and healthy, and doesn't have any negative consequences whatsoever. If that makes it easier for you, I suggest you leave this thread and never come back, and never enter anything containing "nofap", it's just going to trigger you and make the pain worse.

 

[Vodaccenu]

Did no fap get you the p in the v? No, cope.

 

[BlkPillPres]

This pic is getting more and more relevant with each post.

No idiot the frustration people have with nofap is the same frustration people have when you see someone posting about "feminine penis" and spamming a thread with trapfag BS, it feels like you're being trolled because you're thinking - "no way someone is this stupid", of course its aggravating to see someone go on and on about the magical benefits of something that we all know full well is just a placebo, and no matter how many times you explain this to them they don't care.

I was just trying to point out how masturbation doesn't have the same effects as sex.

You left out a key word that you yourself correctly used, it doesn't have the same effect as sex PSYCHOLOGICALLY, but PHYSICALLY (as in relation to energy loss) it does, in fact you lose less energy masturbating than you do having sex.

Don't you feel like shit everytime you cum? Maybe you don't, maybe you're desentisized and feel like shit in general so you can't even tell the difference.

No I don't feel bad for what I'm doing, I feel bad for what I'm not doing, and not in the psychological sense, but in the physical sense, even when I'm done masturbating I still crave sex........... BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD SEX.

Here's a question for you, if there was a guy who had sex on a regular basis as much as you masturbated, would you be telling him to practice "no sex" so he could experience the supposed benefits, and how retarded would he think you were at that point? lol

Also, when we're talking about energy, it isn't only physical energy. Yes, having sex takes more energy than stroking your dick with your hand. But you know how sometimes when you wake up, you feel like shit, like you haven't slept at all? That's what we're talking about. So physical+mental energy. You have more motivation to do something and more energy to follow through.

The only one coping here is you mate. Coping that your habit is perfectly normal and healthy

Saying that sex in general is unhealthy is a cope, I never claimed that masturbation was health or normal, but its useful, I see it as a relaxation tool, something to help me keep sane a bit. I'd bet you do either of the two main vices, drink or smoke, maybe you do both, well I don't do either. Masturbation doesn't fuck your liver up or give you cancer, so its the one "vice" that is absolutely ridiculous to tell people to quit.

I suggest you leave this thread and never come back

I suggest you do the same lol.

 

[Semicel]

You left out a key word that you yourself correctly used, it doesn't have the same effect as sex PSYCHOLOGICALLY, but PHYSICALLY (as in relation to energy loss) it does, in fact you lose less energy masturbating than you do having sex.

It's both. I've already addressed this.

Saying that sex in general is unhealthy is a cope

I never said this. Fapping probably impairs your reading. Hehe.
It's the old tale that "playing with yourself will make you blind". I guess it's true after all.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I don’t believe that ALL MEN have to pay for sex as Chad is able to get it for free.

You guys need to stop with this meme

Chad takes stacey out on dates, the money doesn't magically appear in his pocket, he works for money too just like every other man

Chad celebrates holidays, birthdays, etc with stacey, that shit costs money, especially valentines day

Chad proposes to stacey one day, the engagement ring costs money

Chad marries stacey one day, the wedding ceremony, ring, dress, tuxedo, etc all cost money

Chad spends just as much money in his relationships as a normie male, you guys have fallen for the Chad meme too much and have taken it to comedic levels. Chad just gets a cheaper "entry fee" into the "establishment", but once you reach the counter EVERYBODY IS PAYING THE SAME RATE.

If were talking random bar hookups then yes he's getting it for free, but the thing is Chad is a normie, he's just a very good looking normie, so he likely isn't black pilled about dating and marriage, so at the end of the day he falls into the same traps.

ALL MEN PAY FOR SEX

Is there some black pilled chad out there who exclusively only has hookups and will never get married, yes, but that's the exception to the rule. Every chad that I've ever seen in real life (very rare occasion, only happened twice) was with his GF/Wife in arm and when I was a cashier and they reached the counter it was chad paying for all her feminine care products (tampons, pads, makeup items, etc). It didn't matter that he was chad, because guess what..... HE'S STILL A MAN, AND MEN HAVE TO PAY WOMEN FOR SEX AND/OR COMPANIONSHIP.

I never said this.

And I never said that fapping is perfectly normal or healthy so I guess were both blind.

 

[BlkPillPres]

That’s what I was referring to, blackpilled Chads who only seek hookups.

Those are rare and never last, because when chad gets old his looks begin to fade too, so unless he's a rich chad he can't continue doing that shit, they always end up telling themselves they've played the field for long enough and its "time to settle down", because bar prowling is annoying and tiring even for chad, and it will get harder and harder with age.

 

[Gangsta Rape]

Fapping =/= Sex
It may seem like it's the same "mechanically" but it certainly doesn't have the same effects psychologically and physiologically.

Psychologically it's different, of course, but physically it's the same. The problem is lack of gf, not fapping. Chad faps all the time between having sex with his gf. Do you think fapping drains his energy?

 

[Semicel]

Psychologically it's different, of course, but physically it's the same.

No, it's not.

 

[tiredofthisshit]

You can already feel the benefits after 7 days(even less). Nofap is great if you wanna feel comfortable with yourself and be more energized. JFL at people thinking people do it only for getting female attention

Also helps with sleep for me at least

 

[_incelinside]

Why do u care so much whether or not people do it

 

[bkdreamkb]

yeah nofap is good buy it won't change anything if you are ugly.

 

[LowBorn]

Good and interesting post, Ritalincel. Very informative.
Personally I find that fapping help with sleep and cutting the edge of tension. I guess I selfmedicate but I don´t fap every day, so, yeah.

 

[Angry_runt]

A friend I had once said that fapping after a month of no-fap was better than any sex he'd ever had (and he had a bunch of girlfriends).

 

[Deleted member 1983]

Ok have fun in your cult. jfl if you think not touching your wee wee will make girls like you.

 

[Semicel]

A friend I had once said that fapping after a month of no-fap was better than any sex he'd ever had (and he had a bunch of girlfriends).

Also, you cum so much semen that if you were to see that shit on porn, you'd think it's fake as fuck. Literally like you're pissing.

 

[Juxtaposition6]

Nofap doesn’t work

This and i love fapping, i love being a disgusting freak with no self control.

 

[heroinfather]

How many vaginas have you been inside since getting through that dreaded 7 day mark?

lol at these coping faggots

I want to escortcel and plan on doing so actually



Sorry but I'm not fucking my biological chemistry up for nobody, your point doesn't stand because women are getting paid for sex regardless, dating and relationships function under a model of prostitution, all men pay, you actually pay significantly less if you just escortcel

Your suggestion to me is to basically neuter myself JFL, that's literally doing societies job for you, they want all of us undesirables to do just that, you're just letting them win, I'd become a rapist and punish foids before I'd take a T Blocker, that shit is sad and pathetic, and literally what women want a guy like you to do. If you told a stacey you did this she'd probably give you a little pat on the head for being a good boy.

i knew you were a cuck and now you confirmed it good job cuck

 

[gstvtrp]

yourbrainonporn.com

It's not "pseudoscience", it's just you coping.

Not watching porn and not masturbating are completely different things.

Also, just lol at that 4chan cap. Nofappers are always the nutty, weird and angry ones from what I can see.

 

[Mainländer]

I did a 120 days nofap at 23 and all I noticed was a humongous, unbearable, gut-wrenching need to have sex, to the point that when I finally gave up and fapped, I almost had a heart attack.

 

[doktordoom]

tbh i need to do nofap. i've jacked off 4 times today and i haven't eaten..

 

[Heightframeface]

Jfl at being asexual unless you actually have potential to fuck girls irl.

Go to wizchan for being a monk, or 'ascend' with nofap and gtfo the site

 

[BridgeJumper]

Porn is the problem not masturbating, Controlled Masturbation is healthy and needed for development in younger boys. Like all addictions it is bad if you do too much of it. Masturbation shouldn't be a daily thing but at least once a week so you can keep healthy.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Personally I do plan to get married if possible but ONLY to a virgin Christian women.

So like me you are never getting married then

 

[AR15]

Excessive masturbation and porn is bad for you. Beating your dick once a week without porn isn't going to affect you negatively.

 

[Hunter]

Have not fapped in years. Zero benefits.

Still waiting for those super powers.

"B-BUT IT DIDNT WORK FOR ME SO THAT MUST MEAN IT CANT WORK FOR ANYONE ELSE!"

*message to everyone on the thread

also i went to bed shortly after making this post. im about to go to college atm and ill be free to debate when i come back.

 

[LebaneseCel]

Trying nofap literally gave me a pimple.

 

[Ritalincel]

"B-BUT IT DIDNT WORK FOR ME SO THAT MUST MEAN IT CANT WORK FOR ANYONE ELSE!"

> /s

 

[Narazz]

I didnt even fap till the 12th grade. didnt help my emotions or speech. think i just had a littl emore engery. also in school the lack of the girl friend thing wasn't even an issue.

of course later ya i think no fap works to a degree. it's just not the magic bullet people make it out to be. not going to get women or fix the problems. it just helps ya get past women so you can focus on other things. real problem that ithink most people tie with no fap is just porn. get off that shit.

 

[Semicel]

Not watching porn and not masturbating are completely different things.

Yes, but they're connected. If you don't watch porn, you won't fap 6 times a day. You'd fap once and be done with it. Porn artificially raises your sex drive.

Also, just lol at that 4chan cap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
"genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself"

Nofappers are always the nutty, weird and angry ones from what I can see.

As evidenced by this thread.

m-muh porn and muh dick stroking

 

[Fontaine]

This pic is getting more and more relevant with each post.

Nicely put. They don't want to admit they failed their life because of this drug.

 

[Evildoer]

Nofap doesn’t work

 

[Fontaine]

I did a 120 days nofap at 23 and all I noticed was a humongous, unbearable, gut-wrenching need to have sex, to the point that when I finally gave up and fapped, I almost had a heart attack.

That's because you live in a hot country.

 

[San Salvador]

most of you numbskulls denying nofap havent even tried it because you losers dont have the self control. the real COPE is you trying to justify that its bullshit through your own non-grounded, emotionally charged denials just because you dont want to lose your only release of sexual pleasure. its like an obese incel going to KFC every day and a reasonable man telling him he should lay off the KFC to improve his health and lose weight but the guy tells him to fuck off and that he needs this constant consumption of KFC daily since its the only thing he finds pleasurable in life.

i also find it funny yet hypocritical when you complete mongs call out fatcels as volcels but wont apply the same logic to nofap even though you are willingly choosing not to improve yourself and up your SMV in exchange for temporary pleasure.

then you also have the particular group of numbskulls who use the "placebo" fallacy. correct me if im mistaken but isnt the point of a placebo to trick the individual into making it work, thus MAKING NOFAP WORK. and nofap being placebo is a load of bull$*** too. the first time i heard of nofap was the febuary of this year yet when i started fapping 4 years ago, i noticed my life, body and mind decline in every aspect and things only got worse the deeper i go into PMO. if i didnt even know what nofap was or the dangers of PMO then this means that the effects of PMO werent just a figment of my mind. this also means that nofap isnt a placebo as the opposite; PMO clearly isn't. inb4 "MUH BULLSHIT". yeah... because i dont have anything better to do than make up stories to a bunch of closed minded porn addicts. inb4 "MUH ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE". one example disproves the rule. if PMO and nofap is proven not a placebo for me then why wouldnt it not be placebo for anyone else. stop coping.

you fucking people haha, you closed minded dimwits are so desperate to maxx out but wont give anything a try or put in what it takes to get the results. never change naysayers, never change. debate me all you want but you will not win since nofap is right and has been proven to be right thus rendering your argument completely and utterly mute.


INB4 the obligatory low IQ comments such as "cope" since they cant form a coherent rebuttal that disproves my post.

I've done NoFap for a year, so I know what I'm talking about.
Yes, your energy levels and general competence in everything do improve.
However, if you never have sex, it's not worth it. The sexual pressure eventually gets to you, unless you're a monk.

 

[Mainländer]

That's because you live in a hot country.

Elaborate??

 

[Robtical]

But you have to break the streak to gay midget porn.

 

[blackcel]

Tried it, didn't feel any different..

Don't know what else to tell ya.

 

[BlackPilledKira]

24 days in and you're still posting on incels.is

Clearly it isn't working

 

[Indari]

kek i triggered you

I used to believe that shit when I was 12 ...

op is not far off

How come you relapsed after 128 days i thought the need to watch porn should be dead at that point?

coz ejaculation is our fkin survival mechanism kek

nofap is the most legit thing ever

it literally changes every aspect of my persona, my energy levels, EVERYTHING is changed. it's so fucking surreal and crazy that i always have to relapse because im scared of the changes, it's like a demon takes over me

do it and lose your inceldom then faget

 

[Evidential]

I have never ejaculated in my entire life(excluding wet dreams). For some reason I just can't come, so I'm NoFap for LIFE if this continues, and nofap does not work for me lol, I'm still here, still feel like shit.

 

[Simp]

You're a dumbfuck if you fall for nofap.

 

[Hunter]

I've done NoFap for a year, so I know what I'm talking about.
Yes, your energy levels and general competence in everything do improve.
However, if you never have sex, it's not worth it. The sexual pressure eventually gets to you, unless you're a monk.

if you have a low sex drive then it wont matter.

 

[FACEandLMS]

When I was starving in a refugee camp in Zaire in the 1980s, I did NoEat and it made a UN truck full of food appear.

 

[San Salvador]

if you have a low sex drive then it wont matter.

Well, fuck.