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Discussion My review of Joker (Spoilers)

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I went to a relatively obscure theater at 4pm. Not many people were there.

I don't like how they decided to have Arthur be mentally ill from the beginning. Mental illness is a serious issue, but what about people who are simply downtrodden due to circumstances? When you're lonely and unemployed (on top of being hated), anger is a perfectly natural response. When you're classified as mentally ill, any logical point you make is discarded.

Regardless, I loved Arthur's descent into insanity as the film progressed. I felt like I was going insane with him. I had so many flashbacks to points in my life where people bullied me, disregarded me, and were cold towards me. I thought Arthur's recurring laugh was kooky, but it made sense for the movie. Joaquin Phoenix did an amazing job physically portraying the Joker. When he'd wince and contort his body, it seemed like he was going to jump out of his skin. When he twitched, I twitched. I also loved how they made his suit burgandy as opposed to the classic purple, a fitting departure to distinguish Jaoquin Phoenix's Joker from the rest. But what really sets Jaoquin's Joker apart is how human he was. The Joker is usually portrayed as a smooth and calculating. However, in the film's penultimate scene when Arthur goes on the talk show, he is noticeably awkward and emotional, but still resolute in his convictions. Despite being mentally ill, he came across as a real human being.

In the comics and other movies, Thomas Wayne is portrayed as a charismatic and empathetic philanthropist. In Joker, he portrayed as a cold and detached billionaire, which I found much more satisfying and realistic. I also think that he faked Arthur's adoption records. Arthur clearly resembled Thomas, and his mother obsessed over Thomas like many Chad widdows do. I liked the film's portrayal of Gotham city, as it mirrored the condition of today's cities. I also liked how it showed that the 70's and 80's were not the utopia many people look back on them as.

I loved Robert DeNiro's character as a talk show host. I hate late night talk shows, as the hosts and audience are phoney and ingenuine, and the film conveyed that feeling perfectly. Just like the normies, he even dismisses the Joker's plight as a pity party. Even I wanted to put a bullet through DeNiro's brain!

I thought the black female was a perfect choice as Arthur's psychiatrist. She is completely cold and disengaged regarding Arthur's feelings, virtue signaling and reading off a script like most psychiatrists do. I felt like I was reliving my own experiences seeing a psychiatrist, as they were almost identical to Arthur's. I loved how Arthur calls her out for not listening to him, and she continues to ignore him.

The movie was very based in telling Arthur's mother's backstory. Like most victims, Arthur clings to his abuser well into his adulthood. However, I found it to be an allegory for mothers in general, how they hold their sons back for their own gain. They portrayed her solipsism perfectly. In the flashback to her in the asylum, she tells the doctor "I never saw him upset, so I thought he was fine". Very similar to how society expects men to accept abuse on a daily basis while keeping a stiff upper lip.

Also, just LOL at how society tried to connect the film to the incel movement. Jaoquin Phoenix's Joker is a tall, good looking white male who is mentally ill, hardly a classical incel. If a real incel were chosen, nobody would watch the movie. Way to go, Hollywood. I didn't like how the Joker was stalking his female neighbor and having psychotic episodes imagining them being together. Being a creeper and being an incel are completely unrelated! Again, Jaoquin Phoenix fits the criteria of being a creeper, as he was physically imposing and low inhib, unlike the majority of incels who are diminutive and feeble. As I said before, society will use people and events that are completely unrelated to incels to scapegoat them. I don't think anyone will go ER as a result of watching this film. The normies will once again miss the central point of the movie, and will virtue signal about mental illness and toxic white males.

Regardless, the film succeeded in conveying the message it sought out to portray. And as a Ledger fan, Phoenix's Joker deserves to stand tall among the rest. Overall, 4/5.
 
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I thought the black female was a perfect choice as Arthur's psychiatrist. She is completely cold and disengaged regarding Arthur's feelings, virtue signaling and reading off a script like most psychiatrists do. I felt like I was reliving my own experiences seeing a psychiatrist, as they were almost identical to Arthur's. I loved how Arthur calls her out for not listening to him, and she continues to ignore him.



:soy: :soy: :soy: Normies didn't even understood and missing parts of movie they've seen and doing reviews jfl.

>he needs therapy
>goes to therapy in movie and it's useless
normie:
>he didn't try hard enough it's his fault (cuz he has a dick not a hole) take your goyim castration ssri pills bro :soy::soy::soy::soy:
 
Thanks for the review. Didn't see the movie but agree with the casting issue. To be honest though, it doesn't really bother me since that is a legit gripe both sexes can have with Hollywood; the lack of "normal" looks people. Jennifer Lawrence's character in "Joy" was actually a 50 year old hag IRL, but no one wanted to see that. Still, imagine someone like Paul Giamatti as the joker. Would be much scarier, honestly.
 
The funniest part of the movie for me was when he finally came to a nihlistic acceptance of his shit life and was going to sui on the talk show but instead went ER since murray pissed him off and somehow became the figure head of the protests he never gave a shit about. He literally says "I don't believe in anything" which shows he has no political alliegence, he just hates people equally except other socially disaffected men like himself.

The midget scene was also genius, everyone in my theatre was laughing when he couldn't open the door which made the underlying message about outasts being treated like jokes that much more potent and explains why arthur had sympathy for the manlet.
 
The midget scene was also genius, everyone in my theatre was laughing when he couldn't open the door which made the underlying message about outasts being treated like jokes that much more potent and explains why arthur had sympathy for the manlet.
Yep, people laughed at the midget where i saw it too, what you said explains it perfectly
 
Some of them may have been laughing at the irony of the situation (i.e. having to ask the insane murderer you are trying to run away from to unlock the door for you), not the midget's height.
 
I can can wait to see jewker.

Nice review bro.

It figures the crazy diagnose would make it so he gets put into a box early instead of being helped out of it.
 
The funniest part of the movie for me was when he finally came to a nihlistic acceptance of his shit life and was going to sui on the talk show but instead went ER since murray pissed him off and somehow became the figure head of the protests he never gave a shit about. He literally says "I don't believe in anything" which shows he has no political alliegence, he just hates people equally except other socially disaffected men like himself.

The midget scene was also genius, everyone in my theatre was laughing when he couldn't open the door which made the underlying message about oucasts being treated like jokes that much more potent and explains why arthur had sympathy for the manlet.
The reason he went along with becoming the figure head of the protests because it was the first time he was accepted in his life. He doesn't really care for their ideals.

Overall the movie was actually good. I wouldn't say its blackpilled, but it does look at life as a lonely male with a stunning degree of accuracy with a capeshit film, and manages to be realistically dark without being overly edgy.
 
It was interesting that he was beaten down by everyone whilst trying to lead an honest life, but as soon as he accepts his dark thoughts and situation, he is hailed a hero among so many people. He was only accepted when he decided to drop any care for others.

I also loved how childlike he was. Often times, people who are excluded and ostracized by others do not develop a high level of social intuition and maturity: things like what is acceptable and proper. There was a clear disconnect between his behavior and the behavior of people around him -- the normies if you will.

I really felt that I understood that behavior because it is sort of the same for me. I'm not necessarily innocent, but I'm so fucking socially retarded at this point, from lack of proper socialization and development, that I exhibit similar characteristics.

I found it incredibly interesting how the normies at my theater laughed at the short guy. Ironic they watch a movie on how society creates monsters, and they laugh at the short guy's situation. It just blew right over their heads. It is clear they will take nothing from the film.

They get what they fucking deserve.
 
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It was interesting that he was beaten down by everyone whilst trying to lead an honest life, but as soon as he accepts his dark thoughts and situation, he is hailed a hero among so many people. He was only accepted when he decided to drop any care for others.
It's kind of like with hybristophiliac whores and hERoes, they only like the hERoes and send them love letters when they're in prison.

Some of them may have been laughing at the irony of the situation (i.e. having to ask the insane murderer you are trying to run away from to unlock the door for you), not the midget's height.
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