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I went to a relatively obscure theater at 4pm. Not many people were there.
I don't like how they decided to have Arthur be mentally ill from the beginning. Mental illness is a serious issue, but what about people who are simply downtrodden due to circumstances? When you're lonely and unemployed (on top of being hated), anger is a perfectly natural response. When you're classified as mentally ill, any logical point you make is discarded.
Regardless, I loved Arthur's descent into insanity as the film progressed. I felt like I was going insane with him. I had so many flashbacks to points in my life where people bullied me, disregarded me, and were cold towards me. I thought Arthur's recurring laugh was kooky, but it made sense for the movie. Joaquin Phoenix did an amazing job physically portraying the Joker. When he'd wince and contort his body, it seemed like he was going to jump out of his skin. When he twitched, I twitched. I also loved how they made his suit burgandy as opposed to the classic purple, a fitting departure to distinguish Jaoquin Phoenix's Joker from the rest. But what really sets Jaoquin's Joker apart is how human he was. The Joker is usually portrayed as a smooth and calculating. However, in the film's penultimate scene when Arthur goes on the talk show, he is noticeably awkward and emotional, but still resolute in his convictions. Despite being mentally ill, he came across as a real human being.
In the comics and other movies, Thomas Wayne is portrayed as a charismatic and empathetic philanthropist. In Joker, he portrayed as a cold and detached billionaire, which I found much more satisfying and realistic. I also think that he faked Arthur's adoption records. Arthur clearly resembled Thomas, and his mother obsessed over Thomas like many Chad widdows do. I liked the film's portrayal of Gotham city, as it mirrored the condition of today's cities. I also liked how it showed that the 70's and 80's were not the utopia many people look back on them as.
I loved Robert DeNiro's character as a talk show host. I hate late night talk shows, as the hosts and audience are phoney and ingenuine, and the film conveyed that feeling perfectly. Just like the normies, he even dismisses the Joker's plight as a pity party. Even I wanted to put a bullet through DeNiro's brain!
I thought the black female was a perfect choice as Arthur's psychiatrist. She is completely cold and disengaged regarding Arthur's feelings, virtue signaling and reading off a script like most psychiatrists do. I felt like I was reliving my own experiences seeing a psychiatrist, as they were almost identical to Arthur's. I loved how Arthur calls her out for not listening to him, and she continues to ignore him.
The movie was very based in telling Arthur's mother's backstory. Like most victims, Arthur clings to his abuser well into his adulthood. However, I found it to be an allegory for mothers in general, how they hold their sons back for their own gain. They portrayed her solipsism perfectly. In the flashback to her in the asylum, she tells the doctor "I never saw him upset, so I thought he was fine". Very similar to how society expects men to accept abuse on a daily basis while keeping a stiff upper lip.
Also, just LOL at how society tried to connect the film to the incel movement. Jaoquin Phoenix's Joker is a tall, good looking white male who is mentally ill, hardly a classical incel. If a real incel were chosen, nobody would watch the movie. Way to go, Hollywood. I didn't like how the Joker was stalking his female neighbor and having psychotic episodes imagining them being together. Being a creeper and being an incel are completely unrelated! Again, Jaoquin Phoenix fits the criteria of being a creeper, as he was physically imposing and low inhib, unlike the majority of incels who are diminutive and feeble. As I said before, society will use people and events that are completely unrelated to incels to scapegoat them. I don't think anyone will go ER as a result of watching this film. The normies will once again miss the central point of the movie, and will virtue signal about mental illness and toxic white males.
Regardless, the film succeeded in conveying the message it sought out to portray. And as a Ledger fan, Phoenix's Joker deserves to stand tall among the rest. Overall, 4/5.
I don't like how they decided to have Arthur be mentally ill from the beginning. Mental illness is a serious issue, but what about people who are simply downtrodden due to circumstances? When you're lonely and unemployed (on top of being hated), anger is a perfectly natural response. When you're classified as mentally ill, any logical point you make is discarded.
Regardless, I loved Arthur's descent into insanity as the film progressed. I felt like I was going insane with him. I had so many flashbacks to points in my life where people bullied me, disregarded me, and were cold towards me. I thought Arthur's recurring laugh was kooky, but it made sense for the movie. Joaquin Phoenix did an amazing job physically portraying the Joker. When he'd wince and contort his body, it seemed like he was going to jump out of his skin. When he twitched, I twitched. I also loved how they made his suit burgandy as opposed to the classic purple, a fitting departure to distinguish Jaoquin Phoenix's Joker from the rest. But what really sets Jaoquin's Joker apart is how human he was. The Joker is usually portrayed as a smooth and calculating. However, in the film's penultimate scene when Arthur goes on the talk show, he is noticeably awkward and emotional, but still resolute in his convictions. Despite being mentally ill, he came across as a real human being.
In the comics and other movies, Thomas Wayne is portrayed as a charismatic and empathetic philanthropist. In Joker, he portrayed as a cold and detached billionaire, which I found much more satisfying and realistic. I also think that he faked Arthur's adoption records. Arthur clearly resembled Thomas, and his mother obsessed over Thomas like many Chad widdows do. I liked the film's portrayal of Gotham city, as it mirrored the condition of today's cities. I also liked how it showed that the 70's and 80's were not the utopia many people look back on them as.
I loved Robert DeNiro's character as a talk show host. I hate late night talk shows, as the hosts and audience are phoney and ingenuine, and the film conveyed that feeling perfectly. Just like the normies, he even dismisses the Joker's plight as a pity party. Even I wanted to put a bullet through DeNiro's brain!
I thought the black female was a perfect choice as Arthur's psychiatrist. She is completely cold and disengaged regarding Arthur's feelings, virtue signaling and reading off a script like most psychiatrists do. I felt like I was reliving my own experiences seeing a psychiatrist, as they were almost identical to Arthur's. I loved how Arthur calls her out for not listening to him, and she continues to ignore him.
The movie was very based in telling Arthur's mother's backstory. Like most victims, Arthur clings to his abuser well into his adulthood. However, I found it to be an allegory for mothers in general, how they hold their sons back for their own gain. They portrayed her solipsism perfectly. In the flashback to her in the asylum, she tells the doctor "I never saw him upset, so I thought he was fine". Very similar to how society expects men to accept abuse on a daily basis while keeping a stiff upper lip.
Also, just LOL at how society tried to connect the film to the incel movement. Jaoquin Phoenix's Joker is a tall, good looking white male who is mentally ill, hardly a classical incel. If a real incel were chosen, nobody would watch the movie. Way to go, Hollywood. I didn't like how the Joker was stalking his female neighbor and having psychotic episodes imagining them being together. Being a creeper and being an incel are completely unrelated! Again, Jaoquin Phoenix fits the criteria of being a creeper, as he was physically imposing and low inhib, unlike the majority of incels who are diminutive and feeble. As I said before, society will use people and events that are completely unrelated to incels to scapegoat them. I don't think anyone will go ER as a result of watching this film. The normies will once again miss the central point of the movie, and will virtue signal about mental illness and toxic white males.
Regardless, the film succeeded in conveying the message it sought out to portray. And as a Ledger fan, Phoenix's Joker deserves to stand tall among the rest. Overall, 4/5.
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