Discussion My opinion on space exploration

[Ellsworth]

Sending probes to Mars is fine, but why our goal should be is to send some type of probe that can excavate deeply into the Martian soil to find remnants of ancient civilizations. Obviously there are no signs of life on the surface so it would be better to go search deep underground. I know the logistics of getting the equipment there is a challenge but it seems we would learn so much more.

 

[bob-loblaw]

Patience, my brother.

In the meantime -- I have been thinking quite a bit about how to solve Mars. The answer is Algae. If we can grow large quantities of algae on Mars, and harvest algae oil, this would enable entire industries to pop up.

1. Algae provides combustible fuel in the form of refined algae oil. Batteries and solar equipment are unreliable in the Martian climate. Algae oil fuels would enable reliable, high-output power generation at the Martian surface. The emissions of these power plants would only be a net positive to change the composition of the atmosphere.

Algae fuel can also be used for smelting. As the Martian surface is extremely rich in iron, smelting with a fuel source becomes a trivial task. Carbon can be sourced by burning the waste generated in the algae oil production process. By enabling the production of steel, you can produce everything from new (simple) robots to permanent structures in preparation of human civilization

2. Algae oil can be converted into plastics, enabling small part fabrication to repair existing equipment or even manufacture new tools to expand on current functionality.

3. Algae at a mass scale will produce oxygen, slowly transforming the atmosphere from a high amount of carbon dioxide to levels of oxygen conducive to human life. Algae is also extremely resilient to a wide range of temperatures and varying light conditions, making it the perfect crop.

4. Algae crops can be used for food production, either by itself or in conjunction with animals that feed on it (i.e. fish and shrimp)

Of course, there are lots of engineering hurdles to tackle with this i.e. freezing, nitrogen content, and sourcing enough water for such a plan to be viable, but nevertheless algae could present a great opportunity to build our terraformed Mars colony before we even step foot on the planet. No nukes that will make the planet uninhabitable for eons, and no glass domes that will kill everyone inside if they get broken.

 

[based_meme]

Patience, my brother.

In the meantime -- I have been thinking quite a bit about how to solve Mars. The answer is Algae. If we can grow large quantities of algae on Mars, and harvest algae oil, this would enable entire industries to pop up.

1. Algae provides combustible fuel in the form of refined algae oil. Batteries and solar equipment are unreliable in the Martian climate. Algae oil fuels would enable reliable, high-output power generation at the Martian surface. The emissions of these power plants would only be a net positive to change the composition of the atmosphere.

Algae fuel can also be used for smelting. As the Martian surface is extremely rich in iron, smelting with a fuel source becomes a trivial task. Carbon can be sourced by burning the waste generated in the algae oil production process. By enabling the production of steel, you can produce everything from new (simple) robots to permanent structures in preparation of human civilization

2. Algae oil can be converted into plastics, enabling small part fabrication to repair existing equipment or even manufacture new tools to expand on current functionality.

3. Algae at a mass scale will produce oxygen, slowly transforming the atmosphere from a high amount of carbon dioxide to levels of oxygen conducive to human life. Algae is also extremely resilient to a wide range of temperatures and varying light conditions, making it the perfect crop.

4. Algae crops can be used for food production, either by itself or in conjunction with animals that feed on it (i.e. fish and shrimp)

Of course, there are lots of engineering hurdles to tackle with this i.e. freezing, nitrogen content, and sourcing enough water for such a plan to be viable, but nevertheless algae could present a great opportunity to build our terraformed Mars colony before we even step foot on the planet. No nukes that will make the planet uninhabitable for eons, and no glass domes that will kill everyone inside if they get broken.

OK, but why would we want to colonize mars?

 

[Ellsworth]

Patience, my brother.

In the meantime -- I have been thinking quite a bit about how to solve Mars. The answer is Algae. If we can grow large quantities of algae on Mars, and harvest algae oil, this would enable entire industries to pop up.

1. Algae provides combustible fuel in the form of refined algae oil. Batteries and solar equipment are unreliable in the Martian climate. Algae oil fuels would enable reliable, high-output power generation at the Martian surface. The emissions of these power plants would only be a net positive to change the composition of the atmosphere.

Algae fuel can also be used for smelting. As the Martian surface is extremely rich in iron, smelting with a fuel source becomes a trivial task. Carbon can be sourced by burning the waste generated in the algae oil production process. By enabling the production of steel, you can produce everything from new (simple) robots to permanent structures in preparation of human civilization

2. Algae oil can be converted into plastics, enabling small part fabrication to repair existing equipment or even manufacture new tools to expand on current functionality.

3. Algae at a mass scale will produce oxygen, slowly transforming the atmosphere from a high amount of carbon dioxide to levels of oxygen conducive to human life. Algae is also extremely resilient to a wide range of temperatures and varying light conditions, making it the perfect crop.

4. Algae crops can be used for food production, either by itself or in conjunction with animals that feed on it (i.e. fish and shrimp)

Of course, there are lots of engineering hurdles to tackle with this i.e. freezing, nitrogen content, and sourcing enough water for such a plan to be viable, but nevertheless algae could present a great opportunity to build our terraformed Mars colony before we even step foot on the planet. No nukes that will make the planet uninhabitable for eons, and no glass domes that will kill everyone inside if they get broken.

There will be some sort of colony of people living on Mars in the next 100 years most likely. But as an incel it makes me rage knowing they will only send Chad and Stacy and they will be having crazy Martian sex.

 

[AmIjustDreaming]

OK, but why would we want to colonize mars?

exactly. it's fucking stupid

 

[bob-loblaw]

OK, but why would we want to colonize mars?

exactly. it's fucking stupid

Perhaps just personal philosophy, but the end goal of our race is to become gods (relative to where we are today) of ourselves and the world around us. Achieving multiplanetary life is a hop, albeit a short one in a marathon, in the right direction.

Of course, if you want to take the "babby's first nihilism" approach where the world is stupid and nothing matters, neither does your opinion. The world will keep moving whether you think it is "stupid" or not. Moving in the direction of space travel is far better than the globohomo downwards spiral we're stuck in right now.

 

[ilieknothing]

There will be some sort of colony of people living on Mars in the next 100 years most likely. But as an incel it makes me rage knowing they will only send Chad and Stacy and they will be having crazy Martian sex.

Their babies would be deformed truecels. You need gravity to develop properly.

 

[Deleted member 24977]

Patience, my brother.

In the meantime -- I have been thinking quite a bit about how to solve Mars. The answer is Algae. If we can grow large quantities of algae on Mars, and harvest algae oil, this would enable entire industries to pop up.

1. Algae provides combustible fuel in the form of refined algae oil. Batteries and solar equipment are unreliable in the Martian climate. Algae oil fuels would enable reliable, high-output power generation at the Martian surface. The emissions of these power plants would only be a net positive to change the composition of the atmosphere.

Algae fuel can also be used for smelting. As the Martian surface is extremely rich in iron, smelting with a fuel source becomes a trivial task. Carbon can be sourced by burning the waste generated in the algae oil production process. By enabling the production of steel, you can produce everything from new (simple) robots to permanent structures in preparation of human civilization

2. Algae oil can be converted into plastics, enabling small part fabrication to repair existing equipment or even manufacture new tools to expand on current functionality.

3. Algae at a mass scale will produce oxygen, slowly transforming the atmosphere from a high amount of carbon dioxide to levels of oxygen conducive to human life. Algae is also extremely resilient to a wide range of temperatures and varying light conditions, making it the perfect crop.

4. Algae crops can be used for food production, either by itself or in conjunction with animals that feed on it (i.e. fish and shrimp)

Of course, there are lots of engineering hurdles to tackle with this i.e. freezing, nitrogen content, and sourcing enough water for such a plan to be viable, but nevertheless algae could present a great opportunity to build our terraformed Mars colony before we even step foot on the planet. No nukes that will make the planet uninhabitable for eons, and no glass domes that will kill everyone inside if they get broken.

This is the kind of posts that makes me love .co , thank you

There will be some sort of colony of people living on Mars in the next 100 years most likely. But as an incel it makes me rage knowing they will only send Chad and Stacy and they will be having crazy Martian sex.

Not true at all. Look at this japanese Billionaire: yusazku maezawa
It's highly probable he will go to mars one day

yet, he's an asian truecel

Elon Musk too, look at him before getting millions per second

before and after surgerymaxxing, moneymaxxing, gymm..... OFC

Perhaps just personal philosophy, but the end goal of our race is to become gods (relative to where we are today) of ourselves and the world around us. Achieving multiplanetary life is a hop, albeit a short one in a marathon, in the right direction.

Of course, if you want to take the "babby's first nihilism" approach where the world is stupid and nothing matters, neither does your opinion. The world will keep moving whether you think it is "stupid" or not. Moving in the direction of space travel is far better than the globohomo downwards spiral we're stuck in right now.

ABSOLUTELY!!!

 

[based_meme]

Perhaps just personal philosophy, but the end goal of our race is to become gods (relative to where we are today) of ourselves and the world around us. Achieving multiplanetary life is a hop, albeit a short one in a marathon, in the right direction.

Of course, if you want to take the "babby's first nihilism" approach where the world is stupid and nothing matters, neither does your opinion. The world will keep moving whether you think it is "stupid" or not. Moving in the direction of space travel is far better than the globohomo downwards spiral we're stuck in right now.

But that's a vanity reason. There needs to be sufficient rational justification to spend such an obscene amount of resources and effort to try and colonize a different planet. Geoengineering and terraforming technology has to advance first, as well as space propulsion technology, not to mention medical and genetic engineering technology.

We need to have the tech first, and then we can use Mars as a proof of concept test case. Colonizing a garden world is easy compared to colonizing a barren, lifeless planet.

 

[bob-loblaw]

This is the kind of posts that makes me love .co , thank you

But that's a vanity reason. There needs to be sufficient rational justification to spend such an obscene amount of resources and effort to try and colonize a different planet. Geoengineering and terraforming technology has to advance first, as well as space propulsion technology, not to mention medical and genetic engineering technology.

We need to have the tech first, and then we can use Mars as a proof of concept test case. Colonizing a garden world is easy compared to colonizing a barren, lifeless planet.

Nobody is claiming that we need to do it right this second -- Mars colonization is not a short-term prospect. Even if my algae idea were implemented tomorrow, it would still take centuries to have any noticeable impact. By the time people become uncomfortable with the amount of space left on earth, or there is significant interest due to political or economic reasons, there will be demand for it. The technologies you listed will provide a gateway to supplying that demand.

As for vanity -- what isn't? Career advancement, social status, respect, wealth, etc. are all vain pursuits that are unnecessary for the continuation of life. Basic nutrition, shelter, and ascending are all that are really necessary. You could return to monke for a lifestyle free of vanity, so why do you choose not to? It's hard to distinguish which is due to societal factors and which are biological, but most men have a drive to make their impact on the world and incrementally toss a drop into the ocean of human civilization. Human psychology and civilization at large cannot be separated from vanity.

 

[based_meme]

Nobody is claiming that we need to do it right this second -- Mars colonization is not a short-term prospect.

I didn't say that was the claim.

As for vanity -- what isn't? Career advancement, social status, respect, wealth, etc. are all vain pursuits that are unnecessary for the continuation of life.

Career advancement and wealth have obvious material and utility benefits, though there are elements of vanity present. Social status and respect are vanity, but they have clear elements of utility (connections to better opportunities).

Basic nutrition, shelter, and ascending are all that are really necessary. You could return to monke for a lifestyle free of vanity, so why do you choose not to?

This is nonsensical. Arguing that some endeavor is an exercise in vanity does not imply a reversion from modern day comfort. I can take a good guess and infer your assumptions, but it's better to ask you to fill in the blanks for me.

It's hard to distinguish which is due to societal factors and which are biological, but most men have a drive to make their impact on the world and incrementally toss a drop into the ocean of human civilization.

Some men. Most prefer routine, monotony, and comfort. Preferring the path of least resistance is the default.

Human psychology and civilization at large cannot be separated from vanity.

Needs more arguments.

 

[Over_this_Life]

Tfw no blue gf from Saturn

 

[your personality]

Sending probes to Mars is fine, but why our goal should be is to send some type of probe that can excavate deeply into the Martian soil to find remnants of ancient civilizations. Obviously there are no signs of life on the surface so it would be better to go search deep underground. I know the logistics of getting the equipment there is a challenge but it seems we would learn so much more.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Sci fi fantasies. Remember 50 years ago when people thought man would set up bases and colonies on the moon by now? Well, man hasn't been back to the moon since 1972. And man is never going back, we don't have the resources and energy. In fact, hundreds of years from now, the fact that man ever visited the moon will probably come to be regarded as a fairy tale.