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It's Over My brother goes the same way

Giracel

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5 years ago was really when I started to become conscious of the path I was on, and it's interesting watching it happen again since he's 5 years younger than me. He texted yesterday saying he got "raped" and this is an edited version of what he related:

Dad and I went to the sandwich place and as we pulled up a stereotypical high school couple walked by (girl was barely wearing anything) and at the two tables were a group of 3 guys and 3 girls. They seemed separate but were friends within themselves. And I realized, what they have is not something that I don’t have, it’s something that I didn’t have. It’s already over, it’s too late.

Already he comprehends fully his occlusion from the normative life, with even more clarity than I had at that age. Him seeing the path of my descent probably accelerated his own. But it is fascinating to see it play out again, vindicating the failure of my family's isolationist policy.
 
@Tetsuya cultification ruined my family, it's beyond over
 
I totally sympathize with that sometimes it's hard seeing other people get the experiences or life that we desired but just make sure you don't feel any hatred towards yourself over it I'm sure you tried your best and sometimes things just don't end the way we went them to just don't be tough on yourself and let your little brother know you're there for him to help him through all the things you've already been through before
 
I have an older brother who is also incel. Lifting weights did nothing.
 
Invite him here
 
I totally sympathize with that sometimes it's hard seeing other people get the experiences or life that we desired but just make sure you don't feel any hatred towards yourself over it I'm sure you tried your best and sometimes things just don't end the way we went them to just don't be tough on yourself and let your little brother know you're there for him to help him through all the things you've already been through before
I "help" him by just being brutally honest and explaining why none of this is our faults, because it isn't
 
Invite him here
He'd recognize my account pretty fast (based on the topics I talk about), plus I don't think coming on here at freshly 18 is a good idea
 
I "help" him by just being brutally honest and explaining why none of this is our faults, because it isn't
Yeah I one hundred percent get why you see it that way and I'm glad you're doing all you can to help a family member through the struggles you had to face alone I'm sure you mean a lot to him
 
Yeah I one hundred percent get why you see it that way and I'm glad you're doing all you can to help a family member through the struggles you had to face alone I'm sure you mean a lot to him
Good point, I had no one there for me so at least I can be supportive in this way
 
My older brother is a truecel
 
5 years ago was really when I started to become conscious of the path I was on, and it's interesting watching it happen again since he's 5 years younger than me. He texted yesterday saying he got "raped" and this is an edited version of what he related:

Dad and I went to the sandwich place and as we pulled up a stereotypical high school couple walked by (girl was barely wearing anything) and at the two tables were a group of 3 guys and 3 girls. They seemed separate but were friends within themselves. And I realized, what they have is not something that I don’t have, it’s something that I didn’t have. It’s already over, it’s too late.

Already he comprehends fully his occlusion from the normative life, with even more clarity than I had at that age. Him seeing the path of my descent probably accelerated his own. But it is fascinating to see it play out again, vindicating the failure of my family's isolationist policy.

based cel, but you have to understand it's also worse with every passing year, it would be crazy to not notice at this point.

the outsiders get worse treatment, while the insiders do even better, it's winner takes all.
 
vindicating the failure of my family's isolationist policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enmeshment

Nodding GIF
 
based cel, but you have to understand it's also worse with every passing year, it would be crazy to not notice at this point.

the outsiders get worse treatment, while the insiders do even better, it's winner takes all.
Thanks and I agree with this

Also I keep thinking you are Sloth
 
@Spooky_Heejin
 
BRO this just genuinely rocked me. I have literally theorized about things like this without knowing there was a term for it. Appreciate the share.
Nodding GIF
 
Your brother is lucky to have someone as understanding as you.
 
Your brother is lucky to have someone as understanding as you.
You might be surprised to know there was a lot of (at times quite extreme) strife in younger years. But more recently this has completely been reversed.
 
brutal.

i only have one incel in my family but he is like 3 times older than me.
 
I don't get it, who raped him?
He used it as a figure of speech, i.e. he was experientially raped by what he saw and what it made him realize. I'm surprised you didn't get the edgy metaphoric sense it was being used in as a 2023cel lol.
 
He used it as a figure of speech, i.e. he was experientially raped by what he saw and what it made him realize. I'm surprised you didn't get the edgy metaphoric sense it was being used in as a 2023cel lol.
Sorry, my bad.
Already he comprehends fully his occlusion from the normative life, with even more clarity than I had at that age. Him seeing the path of my descent probably accelerated his own. But it is fascinating to see it play out again, vindicating the failure of my family's isolationist policy.
We're going to see more people in everyday life experience similar feelings we have, especially since certain elements of the blackpill have gone mainstream.
 
My brother is older than me and a htn with a girlfriend, good job and lives in my old house that my parents own where he pays off their new mortgage, but he's what I'd call a "soychad" because of the shit he believes and likes
 
Sorry, my bad.

We're going to see more people in everyday life experience similar feelings we have, especially since certain elements of the blackpill have gone mainstream.
No problem

Exactly it's all being accelerated, like he's probably already at a level of self-awareness about this stuff that I only got to at 19/20 (am 22 now)
 
My brother is older than me and a htn with a girlfriend, good job and lives in my old house that my parents own where he pays off their new mortgage, but he's what I'd call a "soychad" because of the shit he believes and likes
Call it cope but there is a point but where it becomes genuinely hard to envy these types of people because they are so boring and shallow, even if they are sexhavers
 
I am not against homeschooling in itself, I've seen rich upper middle class types do it for their kids who were athletes or ballet dancers or wanted them to be "unschooled" and enroll them in a Montessori program or some other bougie shit, but most homeschooling parents I've seen do it because they're fucking religious weirdos and then they also turn their kids into weirdos.

I wasn't homeschooled though my mom was hyperreligious and weird, thank fucking god, my mom has no ability to even be a basic parent let alone teach kids. She would've drowned me in the bathtub as a 4 year old or some shit. School was an oasis for me, I went to a jewish nerdy school so I didn't get bullied or picked on despite being really fucking weird and deprived (dirty hair, acne, crooked skin, short and skinny, pale and unathletic, barely passing classes, sleeping in class because mom would wake me up at 2am and keep me up at night trying to pray for the rapture). Mom even made me preach to my friends and would make me cry by telling me that my non-christians are going to hell if I dont convert them and that it's my fault for not saving them, then I would lose my friends of course JFL. I even tried to covert a jewish friend thinking he is gonna go to hell and then everyone thought i was an antisemite at school and I didn't even know that until like 10 years later that the jewish kids thought I hated them lmao. My mom didn't want me to have any friends except the church kids, some were okay but there were a lot of weirdos there as well. Eventually at age 13 I stopped telling my mom about my friends or bringing them over, and that's when I started keeping friends and my mom would go apeshit because I don't tell her anything or give her ammo to use, so she got my brother to install spyware on my computer and would hack into my computer and even secretly record me. I think two years ago when I visited Korea where my brother knocked up a girl, my sister started secretly recording me in the guest room where I was staying. But yeah I started saving money secretly starting at 15 and once I hit 18, my friends helped me run away to california by keeping my luggages in their homes and then driving me to the airport to fly out to california (I didnt learn to drive until I was like 21 and paid out of pocket for driving school).

Mom used to be really obsessed with prophecies and the end times. I remember when I was 14 being pulled out of school along with the rest of the siblings because my mom heard rumors among the "prophets" at the local megachurch (cult) that the country is going to get nuked, and we hid in the woods for like 2 weeks. I didn't understand how fucked that was as a kid and enjoyed being out in the woods in the quiet nature, watching Naruto with my brother on the laptop while waiting for the world to blow up, it's very surreal looking back as an adult but I also realize just how fucked that was. I also had a fish tank when I was 14 that I had to leave behind, and after the 2 weeks I had to come back to a tank full of dead fish sitting there for like 2 weeks and a lot of the fish have eaten eachother, bloated smelly dead bodies, and I had to clean that out by myself at 14 due to my mom's fuckery while she just went on like nothing happen. She also used to bring in these "prophet" ladies from church who would shriek and speak in tongues while shaking and having seizures and they put me in a room on the ground and would press their hands on me and not let me get up and they speak in tongues for like a whole fucking hour to exorcize me, and tried to make me speak in tongue too. They just said "say Hallelujah very fast repeatedly and you'll start speaking in tongues"... such bullshit.

That on top of physical abuse, psychological abuse, lack of medical care (no insurance or taking me to the doctor at all), sleep deprivation, junk food diet, bla bla bla. I was always small and short for my age and my dad would laugh at me and talk about doing growth hormone shots for me, but never went through with it, just resorted to laughing at me all the time and making fun of my height, and then telling me that I am ugly because I look like mom while my siblings are attractive because they look like him.

My siblings are 38 and 40, and none of them married either. My sister is a virgin at 38 despite being normal looking and only had one boyfriend who she never slept with, she's a raging bitch who tried to push me to kill myself and called cops on me accusing me of drug dealing, called my workplace trying to get me fired. She gets jealous and pissy over the female cousins who put out and whored around but they're married now, while she is the good religious girl who still can't find a man and she gets in fights with people in proximity. My brother never had a job at 40 and still lives with our parents, and lost his virginity at 26 according to his baby mama who I had some correspondence with when he abandoned her and my niece. This is the result of a fucked up hyperreligious upbringing. Both my siblings apparently still get into screaming matches with our parents while I am completely checked out of the family.

I don't know what advice to give you honestly, I am still struggling myself even though I am much better off than I should be and it's a miracle I am not broke, on drugs, completely fucked. But you're not alone homie, be gentle with yourself and don't blame yourself. The older I get the more I realize I really didn't have a chance to be normal and its not due to "lack of personal accountability" or some victim blaming bullshit, and the more I am at peace instead of asking "what's wrong with me and why didn't I do this or that, and if only I could've just..."
 
I am not against homeschooling in itself
Me neither, and this is an important distinction to make. I am tired af rn but will read this tomorrow, and thank you for the thoughtful response.
 
There is a reason I struggled with work and only worked 4 years in my life (the military) and that's only because you can't just get fired willy nilly in the military unless you majorly fuck up or do really illegal shit lol, and I am currently homeless now living in a halfway house because I can't qualify for rent anywhere and struggle to find a job or income. While homeless and in the care of social workers, I finally disintegrated and started having flashbacks of my childhood and seeing the depth of just how fucked my upbringing was. It's not that I have any repressed memories, I remember everything, it's just that I started seeing them all in a different light or at least my mind let me.

And I am sure the only reason why I qualified for the military is because I had no medical records lmao, because I never got medical care as a kid and even as an adult after running away I was too broke to afford medical care.
 
Call it cope but there is a point but where it becomes genuinely hard to envy these types of people because they are so boring and shallow, even if they are sexhavers
I actually feel the same way about normalfags too, they're literally just boring drones that only care about linear entertainment and the amount of money they have
 
Man there's a lot to unpack here

but most homeschooling parents I've seen do it because they're fucking religious weirdos and then they also turn their kids into weirdos.
This is a real issue. I assume you are American so you're probably aware of the HSLDA and how they constantly victimize themselves while enabling this. Also a lot of non-homeschooled people look down on us and automatically assume we are dumb; actually I was just reading something online before I came on here to respond, where people were just bashing homeschoolers in such a pretentious leftist way it made me want to defend it. I think I still hate leftists more than religious conservatives for reasons like that.

Eventually at age 13 I stopped telling my mom about my friends or bringing them over, and that's when I started keeping friends and my mom would go apeshit because I don't tell her anything or give her ammo to use, so she got my brother to install spyware on my computer and would hack into my computer and even secretly record me. I think two years ago when I visited Korea where my brother knocked up a girl, my sister started secretly recording me in the guest room where I was staying.
That feeling of needing be completely transparent about everything is hard to deal with. And the outright invasions are borderline illegal. All because of fear of "bad influences" and "sin" etc. Also were you guys actually part of the UC if you went to Korea?

I didn't understand how fucked that was as a kid
I've had moments like this, there's a kind of nostalgia for how weird things were even though you realize now it was abnormal. A kind of Stockholm syndrome I guess.

She also used to bring in these "prophet" ladies
Total prophetess death :feelsLSD: Anyone who claims that modern christianity is muh based patriarchy will have a stern talking-to from me on the nature of these demonic witches.
 
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while she is the good religious girl who still can't find a man and she gets in fights with people in proximity
Many such cases, it can happen to either gender although that's an unpopular opinion on this forum: "every foid's a blown-out whore by 16 bro :feels:" (sure nigga whatever you say :rolleyes:)

I don't know what advice to give you honestly
It's ok, I'm not asking for advice, I just want to talk. I don't think any advice is going to "save" me at this stage anyway. As my brother observed, it's simply too far down the line to correct these things. I've gone onto some ex-religious groups on reddit at times, but they usually just bring feminism and blaming into it, so they are not very helpful (redditors after all).

the more I realize I really didn't have a chance to be normal and its not due to "lack of personal accountability" or some victim blaming bullshit
This is EXACTLY where I'm at. Once you recognize you never had a chance, you're completely free. All "regret" fades away because it was never in your hands to start with.

4 years in my life (the military)
I believe OG had a short career in the Japanese navy :feelsLSD:

currently homeless now living in a halfway house
I hope you find a way out of there man, reach out in PM's if you ever want to talk
 

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