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- Dec 15, 2021
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Can someone tl;dr this.Edmund_Kemper said:Since idiots think it's abnormal to find a 17 year old chick attractive and since there's perverts here (who didn't appear until 2021) who think finding a 9 year old of all people is normal (it ain't), I decided to prove the REAL truth about attraction and age, and both groups of idiots will be debunked with RESEARCH PAPERS.
to all bluepillers reading this, calling me a pedophile isn't an argument. to all people who like 9 year olds, calling me an agecuck isn't an argument (calling attraction to 9 year olds deviant is NOT agecuckery).
Penile Circumference, Skin Conductance, and Ranking Responsesof Child Molesters and "Normals" to Sexual and Nonsexual Visual Stimuli
20 child molesters (average age: 27.5 years; who were over 16 at the time of offense and whose victims were age 13 and below), 10 non-sex offending patients (average age: 26.7 years; all non-sex offending patients were heterosexual except one being gay), and 11 normal men from the community (average age: 25; all of the normal men were heterosexual except one bisexual man) were recruited to measure penile circumference and skin conductance response (PCR and SCR) alongside attractiveness rankings.
"In the slide sort test, two arrays of six black and white slides each were shown to the subject, one array at a time, on a lighted sorting tray. A seventh color slide depicting a sado-masochisticact was included in each array. In one array, the black and white figures were nude and, in the other, the figures were partially clothed. There was one representative of each sex at each of three age levels: adult (between 18 and 30 yr of age as judged by the experimenters), pubescent (12-15 yr) and child (5-11 yr). Each subject was asked to choose the slide that he found most sexually attractive and that slide was removed from the tray. This process was repeated until there was no slide left or until the subject reported that he found none of the remaining slides attractive. The ranking data were scored for each subject by ordering the slides within an array according to their order of choice. When not all the slides were chosen, the remaining slides were assigned the average of the remaining ranks. The data from the two arrays were combined by com- puting the average rank of the slides from the same category.
In the psychophysiological test, subjects were seated in the reclining chair and in- structed to relax, look carefully at the slides and think of them in a sexual way. It was explained that the apparatus measured very tiny changes in penile circumference. Subjects were also told that they should avoid unnecessary movement as this would interfere with the measurements. The electrodes were attached and subjects were shown 20 slides in a fixed randomized sequence. Each sfide presentation was 30 sec in duration and was sepa- rated by 60 sec from the next presentation. When a large PCR of long duration occurred, the next slide presentation was delayed until the PCR returned to a steady state near baseline. Full erections sometimes resulted in the PCR polygraph trace going off scale. These traces were scored by giving the subject the maximum reading that the scale allowed.
There were two slides in each of the following categories. In the "heterosexual activity" or HET category, a nude or partially clothed man and woman were depicted petting on a bed. In the person categories, there were pictures of single nude or partially clothed persons. The female categories were: "adult female" or AF (judged to be between 18 and 30 yr), "pubescent female" or PF (12-15 yr of age), and "child female", (5-11 yr of age). These age categories were identical in the male series. There were three additional cat- egories: "children under five" or C < 5 (one picture of a male toddler and one of a female toddler), "sadistic" or SP (a female nurse being choked by a man and a man being whipped by another man), and finally, "neutral" or NS (a chandelier and a landscape). None of the slides used in the slide sort were presented in the psychophysiological test in order to preserve novelty."
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Figure 1 shows that normal subjects showed strong sexual arousal to adult women ages 18-30 and, on average, some extent of sexual arousal to adolescent girls ages 12 to 15, and, on average, a little bit of sexual arousal to prepubescent girls ages 5 to 11. They showed the least arousal to prepubescent boys ages 5 to 11 and children under age 5.
The structure of erotic preference in the nondeviant male
48 young men in compulsory military service of similar age (mean age: 20.3) and physical size who lived under similar conditions were used in the study.
"The stimuii consisted of colour slides of nude males and females, representing three age groups (children 4-10 yrs, adolescents 12-16 yrs, adults 17-36 yrs) as determined from age estimates by pediatricians and anthropologists. The forty-two test slides were presented in twenty-one pairs, each containing one of the fifteen different combinations of the six sex and age groups. Each group was represented by seven different photographic subjects. To each S the entire series of slides was exposed twice, with a pause in between."
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Of the 48 young men, with picture types appearing as the first member of the pair, 52% experienced positive reactions to prepubescent girls (age 4 to 10), about about 81.25% experienced positive reactions to the adolescent girls (age 12 to 16), and about 85.42% experienced positive reactions to the adult women (ages 17 to 36). With picture types appearing as the second member of the pair, 58.33% experienced positive reactions to the prepubescent girls, and virtually all 48 (over 93%) experienced positive reactions to the adolescent girls and adult women. With the picture type appearing as the first member of the pair, only 10.42% experienced positive reactions to the prepubescent boys age 4 to 10, 12.5% experienced positive reactions to the adolescent boy age 12 to 16, and around 5% had a positive reaction to adult men age 17 to 36. However, the attraction that over half the men had to prepubescent girls was only slight attraction, whereas they had strong attraction to the adolescent girls and adult women. This is shown below in Figure 2.
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"Figure 1 demonstrates that the reaction to pictures of adolescent and adult females was positive, that to males negative, and that to female children intermediate. These results are in keeping with the respective expectations. The figure also demonstrates a greater tendency for a positive acceleration score in response to the second picture of a pair (~2 p<O.Ol), and this holds even for each of the two positive picture types separately (12 p-KO.05)."
Sexual offenders against female children: Sexual preferences for age of victims and type of behaviour
21 incest offenders (fathers molesting their daughters; mean age: 40.1), 40 nonfamilial child molesters (child molesters who molested non-relative girls under age 14; mean age: 34.5) and 22 normal non-criminal men (mean age: 33.9) were used for a study and had their sexual arousals to stimuli measured. The demographics presented in Table 1:
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Now here is Figure 1:
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Now as you can see here, nonfamilial child molesters often had strong sexual attraction to girls ages 5 to 12 (with the peak at age 9). The attraction decreased but was still high at age 13/14 but then increased at 16 and peaked again at ages 18 to 24. Incest offenders had a lack of attraction to girls under 12 but a little attraction to 12/13 year old girls, moderate attraction to 14 to 18 year old girls, and the most attraction to women ages 20 to 24. The normal, non-criminal men lacked attraction to girls under 14, had minuscule attraction to 14 year old girls, and had fairly high attraction to 16 year old girls and then extremely high attraction to 18 to 24 year old women (with the peak being 18 and 20 year old women). The incest offenders didn't experience much attraction in general in comparison to nonfamilial child molesters and normal controls.
Erectile responses among heterosexual child molesters, father- daughter incest offenders, and matched non-offenders: Five distinct age preference profiles
Howard Barbaree and W.L. Marshall created another study in 1989 where they used the same exact methodology. 21 fathers who molested their daughters (average age of daughter victim: 9.05; SD=3.7), 40 nonfamilial child molesters who molested non-relative girls under age 14 (average age of victim: 8.55; SD=3.0), and 22 normal controls matched in age, intelligence and socioeconomic status were used in the sample.
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The adult profile group (teleiophilia) was the sample of people who were most sexually aroused by adults (categorized as age 16 to 24). They lacked attraction to girls age 3 to 14 and had fairly high attraction to 16 year old girls and very high attraction to 18 to 24 year old women (with the peak being women age 20). The teen-adult profile was rather ephebophilic. They showed hardly any attraction to 3 year old girls and 5 year old girls but a tiny bit of attraction to 7 year old girls. They were somewhat attracted (although not very) to 9 year old girls and had fairly high attraction to 11/12 year olds and very high attraction to 13 to 24 year olds (and found all subgroups in the 13 to 24 age group almot equally attractive). 68% of normal controls were in the adult profile group whereas 14% were in the teen-adult group. 18% of normal controls were non-discriminatory, which means they showed equal (but only fairly but not extremely high) attraction to girls and women of every age (although little attraction to 3 year old girls).
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People in the child profile were pedophiles (primarily or exclusively attracted to prepubescent children) and lacked attraction to anyone 13 or older. They had fairly high attraction to 12 year old girls and some degree of attraction to 3 year olds but mostly attraction to girls ages 5 to 11 (with the very peak being age 9). The child-adult profile had strong attraction to girls under age 12, lack of attraction to girls age 12 to 14, and fairly high attraction to 16 year old girls but strong attraction to women ages 18 to 14 (with the peak being ages 18 to 22). These are non-exclusive pedophiles.
Deviant Sexual Behavior: Differentiating Sex Offenders by Criminal and Personal History, Psychometric Measures, and Sexual Response
In a sample of incarcerated rapists (sample size=49; mean age=27.8 and SD=5.7), people who molested pubescent and/or teenage girls (sample size=19; mean age 31.0 and SD=5.2), and people who molest prepubescent girls/boys, they found this chronophilia (sexual attraction to a specific age group) preference profile for the first two aforementioned types of sexual offenders when measuring sexual arousal:
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The rapists (who had adult victims or peer-age victims) experienced moderate (but mostly sufficient enough to qualify as an adequate response as defined later in this paragraph) sexual arousal to 15 year old girls but strong attraction to 18 to 25 year old women. They experienced minuscule attraction to 12 year old girls and no attraction to girls under 12. Their attraction started off very low at age 5 and increased with age. According to the data: "Adequate response was defined as attaining a peak response of at least 20% of full erection to at least one stimulus in any one of the auditory or visual stimulus series presented to that subject."
Erotic preference in pedophilia
20 university students age 21 to 32 (mean age: 24.5) and 20 recent immigrants age 21 to 38 (mean age: 24.5) served as paid volunteers in a study. 4 age groups with 6 photographs each of nude people (a combination of 48 photos) were shown to the men with the age groups specified below:
Age group 1:
Age range: 5 years and 7 months to 8 years and 3 months (mean age: 6 years and 6 months)
Age group 2:
Age range: 8 years and 4 months to 11 years and 5 months (mean age: 9 years and 6 months)
Age group 3:
Age range: 12 to 14 (mean age: 12 years and 8 months)
Age group 4:
Age range: 22 years and 9 months to 26 years and 3 months (mean age: 23 years and 2 months)
Age group 1:
Age range: 5 years and 4 months to 7 years and 7 months (mean age: 6 years and 7 months)
Age group 2:
Age range: 8 years and 8 months to 11 years (mean age: 9 years and 7 months)
Age group 3:
Age range: 12 years to 14 years and 8 months (mean age: 13 years and 6 months)
Age group 4:
Age range: 19 years to 25 years and 8 months (mean age: 22 years and 5 months)
Results (Figure 1):
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Men showed less arousal to girls under age 10 (but showed some degree of arousal to 10 year old girls despite a low arousal to 11 year old girls). Although they showed a little attraction (but not very much) to 12 year old girls, they showed higher (but only somewhat high instead of very high) attraction to 13 and 14 year old girls, and they showed very high attraction to adult women in their 20s. They lacked attraction to men and boys of each age group.
As shown in Figure 2 below, men lacked attraction to any body parts men and boys had. They lacked attraction to prepubescent girls' body parts (except for minuscule attraction to prepubescent girls' lower belly pubic region). Men had minuscule attraction to pubescent girls' chest region but moderately high attraction to pubescent girls' lower belly pubic region. When it comes to women in their 20s, they showed some degree of attraction to women's face and legs but very high attraction to the chest region and maximum attraction to the lower belly pubic region.
Erotic preference in pedophilia
27 heterosexual pedophiles, 20 homosexual pedophiles, 23 ephebophiles (homosexuals preferring teenage boys age 13 to 16 or 17), 25 androphiles (homosexuals preferring adult men AKA gay teleiophiles) and 35 normal controls were included in the study. Some of the non-normal controls pretended to prefer adult women. (These pretenders were distributed as follows: 19 heterosexual pedophiles, 9 homosexual pedophiles, and 8 gay ephebophiles.) Slides of male children, female children, male adolescents, female adolescents, male adults and female adults all were shown to the men in the overall sample.
Interestingly, the normal men were somewhat attracted to the female children, but had very strong attraction to both the adolescent girls and adult women. In fact, the difference in attraction to the adolescent girls and the adult women was very small. They only found adult women just slightly more attractive than the adolescent girls, but had strong attraction to both. They had no attraction to men and boys. Additionally, they found that gay teleiophilic men (gay men preferring adult male partners) had strong attraction to both adult men and adolescent boys, with the attraction to adult men being only a little higher. They had only minuscule attraction to male children, even more minuscule attraction to adult women and adolescent girls, and absolutely no attraction at all to female children. The 15 ephebophiles who didn't deny their sexuality had extremely high attraction to adolescent boys, moderately high attraction to adult men, medium attraction to male children, very minuscule attraction to adolescent girls, and no attraction at all to adult women and female children. The gay ephebophiles who pretended to prefer adult women showed high attraction to adolescent boys, some attraction to adult women and adolescent girls, and lack of attraction to adult men and both male and female children.
Figure 1 shown below with a zoom-in of the chart:
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Facial, Olfactory, and Vocal Cues to Female Reproductive Value
"Facial photographs, body odors and voice recordings were collected from a total sample of 121 heterosexual women from three different age groups: young girls (n = 50; age range = 11-15 years, M = 13.76 years, SD = 1.44 years), adult women (n = 42; age range = 19-30 years, M = 23.48 years, SD = 2.47 years) and circum-menopausal women (n = 29; age range = 50-65 years, M = 56.83 years, SD = 5.17 years). Participants were recruited from the local population of Göttingen (Germany) and all reported to be native German speakers. To control for possible effects of exogenous hormones on attractiveness, only participants who reported not using any kind of hormonal contraceptive or supplements at the time of data collection were recruited. All participants received 30 euros financial compensation."
"The women were instructed to adopt neutral facial expressions and remove make-up, glasses and any other facial adornments (e.g., facial jewellery). All participants were asked to tie back their head hair with a black hair-band. In post-processing, faces were isolated from remaining other visible features (such as hair and the neck) by colouring these features black in Adobe Photoshop CS3 (Adobe Systems Inc., San Jose, USA). Finally, all digital images were scaled to a resolution of 433 x 600 pixels for presentation in the rating component of the study."
"Digital facial photographs, body odor samples (via T-shirts) and voice recordings were presented in three independent rating studies to a total sample of 450 male participants (age range = 18-40 years, M = 23.84 years, SD = 3.50 years) and rated on attractiveness and femininity. All participants received 5 euros compensation for their time."
"A panel of 150 men (age range = 18-40 years, M = 23.68 years, SD = 3.25 years) rated 24 facial photographs that were randomly selected out of the total sample, 12 of them on attractiveness and another 12 on femininity. Attractiveness and femininity were rated in separate blocks of trials and trial order was fully randomized. Another 150 men (age range = 18-40 years, M = 23.20 years, SD = 2.97 years) judged each a subset of 24 voice recordings on attractiveness and femininity using the same procedure. Medialab 2008 software (Empirisoft Inc., New York, USA) was used for face and voice presentation and ratings were made on a 5-point scale (1 = not at all attractive/feminine to 5 = very attractive/feminine). For the assessments of voice recordings participants listened to the samples using circum-aural earphones (Superlux HD681F). All voice recordings were set to constant amplitude, and participants were instructed to judge the voices spontaneously as the samples were played only once before they were prompted to make a decision."
"A panel of 150 men (age range = 18-40 years, M = 24.65 years, SD = 4.04 years) was recruited to judge the smell of 12 T-Shirts, randomly selected from the total sample, for attractiveness and femininity. The T-shirt rating took place in separate sessions, over a time period of three weeks. At each session, 12 T-Shirts were defrosted three hours before the rating and put into 5 litre glass jars with clamp lids, numbered from 1 to 12 and judged by 10 participants. They were told to pick one jar after the other (the order differing between participants), shake it, open it and smell it without touching the T-Shirt, then rate the smell of the T-Shirt for attractiveness and femininity on a 5-point scale (1 = not at all attractive/feminine to 5 = very attractive/feminine). Participants provided their ratings using paper questionnaires that were placed next to each jar."
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"Analyses showed a significant effect of age group for ratings of both facial attractiveness (F = 25.58, p < .001; n2 = 0.30) and vocal attractiveness (F = 41.34, p < .001; n2 = 0.41), but not for ratings of body odor attractiveness (F = 0.39, p = .68; n2 = .007; Figure 1). For facial attractiveness, young girls received the highest attractiveness ratings (M = 2.12, SD = 0.43), followed by that of adult women (M = 1.91, SD = 0.44), and circum-menopausal women (M = 1.43, SD = 0.34). Both, young girls and adult women were judged to be significantly more attractive than circum-menopausal women (both p < .001), whereas the difference in attractiveness ratings between young girls and adult women was not quite significant (p = .06). For vocal attractiveness, adult women received higher attractiveness ratings than did young girls and circum-menopausal women (adult women: M = 3.16, SD = 0.49; young girls: M = 2.78, SD = 0.58; circum-menopausal women: M = 1.99, SD = 0.50), and attractiveness ratings for each of the three groups differed significantly from one another (all p < .01).
Pairwise comparisons of body odor attractiveness ratings between the age groups did not show any significant difference (all p = .99).
The ANOVAs for femininity ratings also showed a main effect of age group for ratings of women’s faces (F = 8.49, p < .001; 2 = 0.13) and voices (F = 33.12, p < .001; 2 = 0.36), but not for ratings of body odors (F = 0.05, p = .96; 2 = 0.0008; Figure 2). Faces of young girls received higher femininity ratings than those of adult women and circum- menopausal women (young girls: M = 3.16, SD = 0.56; adult women: M = 2.83 SD = 0.57; circum-menopausal women: M = 2.67, SD = 0.47)."
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"Pairwise comparisons showed that femininity ratings of young girls’ faces were significantly higher than those of adult (p < .05) and circum-menopausal women’s faces (p < .001), but that adult women and circum-menopausal women did not differ in rated femininity (p = .63). Analyses also showed that vocal femininity ratings of adult women were higher than those of young girls and circum-menopausal women (adult women: M = 3.41, SD = 0.44; young girls: M = 3.29, SD = 0.55; circum-menopausal women: M = 2.41, SD = 0.66). Pairwise comparisons showed that femininity ratings of circum-menopausal women’s voices were significantly lower than those of young girls’ or adult women’s voices (both p < .001), but no significant difference between femininity ratings of young girls’ and adult women’s voices (p = .91). Pairwise comparisons of body odor femininity ratings between the age groups did not show any significant difference (all p > .05).
Female age was positively correlated with vocal attractiveness in the group of young girls (r = .49, p < .001) and negatively correlated with vocal attractiveness in the group of adult women (r = -.39, p < .05). The correlation between age and vocal attractiveness in the group of circum-menopausal women was not significant, however (r = .08, p = .69). Although female age was also positively correlated with facial attractiveness in the group of young girls (r = .31, p < .05), it did not predict facial attractiveness in the groups of adult (r = .04, p = .81) or circum-menopausal (r = -.30, p = .12) women. Female age did not correlate with body odor attractiveness in any of the three groups (all absolute r < .24, all p > .10)." This is explained further by this quote: "Moreover, there were differences in regard to men’s attractiveness and femininity perception of women’s faces and voices, particularly for the group of young girls and adult women. Young girls’ faces were judged to be more attractive and feminine than those of adult women while adult women’s voices were judged to be more attractive and feminine than those of young girls. These latter results suggest that men’s perceptions of women’s vocal and facial attractiveness may be more closely tied to femininity than youth, per se (see also, e.g., Feinberg et al., 2008). Indeed, among the group of young girls, age was positively correlated with both facial and vocal attractiveness, suggesting more mature girls may be judged as more attractive." This means among young girls ages 11 to 15 (M=13.76; SD=1.44), the older girls in the age group (14 and 15 year olds) are seen as both more feminine and more attractive due to increased physical maturity.
Heterosexual Men's Ratings of Sexual Attractiveness of Pubescent Girls: Effects of Labeling the Target Under or Over the Age of Sexual Consent and Heterosexual Men’s Ratings of Sexual Attractiveness of Adolescent Girls: A Cross-Cultural Analysis
"In both studies, participants were UK born, heterosexual, adult men recruited in a university sports center (Study 1) or general locations within a university campus (Study 2). In Study 1, par- ticipants were 53, UK born, heterosexual, adult men (M age = 25.2 years, range 18–42 years). Study 2 participants were 70, UK born, heterosexual, adult men (M age = 31.0 years, range 19–78 years). Data from one participant in Study 2 were dropped because they were not properly attending the task, resulting in their latency data being excessively long and dis- torting group means."
"All participantscompletedasexualorientationquestionnaire to confirm their heterosexual orientation and computer task. The computer task comprised 61 trials presented on a screen involving a short pseudo-biography (age, home town, star sign, and favorite color), presented for 5 s, followed imme- diately by a photograph of an individual to whom the biography related.
To obtain an explicit measure of attraction, participants in Study 1 were asked to ‘‘rate the sexual attractiveness of the person in each photograph as quickly as you can’’ using a 7-key response pad (from extremely sexually unattractive to extremely sexually attractive). In Study 2, the instructions explicitly asked for the participants’ own judgments of attraction, with the instructions being to rate 'how sexually attractive you find each individual as quickly as you can.' The time taken to respond was used as an implicit measure of decision ease, where shorter latencies (quicker responding) indexed an easier decision and longer latencies indexed a more effortful decision (due to interference/conflict). Trials were presented on a Dell Latitude D600 Laptop with a 14 in. display via E-Prime software (Version 2.0). Response time measurements were obtained through a Cedrus Response Pad (Model RB-730), with data recorded using E-Data Aid software in conjunction with E-Prime.
Age labels applied to the photograph were grouped into four image categories: target underage (14–15 years), target within age (16–17 years), distracter women (19–25 years), and distracter men (16–27years). Photographs for target underage and within age females were counterbalanced: for half the participants in Study 2 (and 27 of 53 in study 1), half of the target photographs were identified as underage, the other half as within age, with labeling reversed for the remaining participants. In this way, participants only saw the target girl pho- tographs once—identified as either 14–15 years old or 16–17 years old. However, when taking all participants together, the same photographs appeared in underage and overage sets (other pseudo-biographical details remained constant in both conditions). In Study 2, there were 12 target underage pictures, 12 target overage pictures, 7 distracter female pictures, and 30 distracter male pictures. Picture sets in Study 1 were essentially the same as this, but with some minor variation. All photographs were obtained from publicly available open sources. All individuals were presented wearing swim-wear or underwear. Adobe Photoshop cs5 was used to edit the photographs, so all depictions were of a similar size and presented mid-screen on a white background. No participant reported being aware of the purpose of the study nor did they question the ages of the young women as presented during the study. All aspects of the research were approved by the relevant Ethics Committee.
For each study, two key analyses were conducted. In the first, comparisons of mean attractiveness ratings and reaction times across the four conditions (target underage, within age, distracter men, distracter women) were made in a series of one-way repeated measures ANOVAs. The second series of analyses examined the correlations between reaction times and attractiveness ratings in each condition.
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The researchers conducted the same study again a year later with the same exact photographs/age labels and methodology on a sample of Bulgarian men: "Participants were 36 Bulgarian-born heterosexual, adult men recruited using a snowball technique, starting with ‘friends of friends’ and expanding out. Their mean age was 34.5 years (SD = 12.88). Recruitment was conducted in Bulgaria."
"Three sets of photographs were presented: seven photographs of women identified as being 19–25 years old, 30 photographs of men identified as being between 16 and 27 years, and those of adolescent girls. The latter were labelled as either 14–15 years old or 16–17 years old. In total, participants saw 24 photographs of adolescent girls: twelve labelled as being between 14 and 15 years (6 = 14 years, 6 = 15 years), and 12 labelled as being between 16 and 17 years (6 = 16 years, 6 = 17 years). Their presentation was counterbalanced, such that 18 participants saw half the photograph set labelled as 14–15 years and half labelled as 16–17 years; 18 participants saw the same photographs with the opposite label. Accordingly, no participant saw the same photographs with different age labels."
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"The mean and standard deviations for each country’s attractiveness ratings are shown in Fig. 1. ANOVA revealed no differences in mean scores for each category of photographs across the three country samples, F(2, 153)=1.69, p=.19, partial g2 = .02. However, there were significant differences, F(3, 459) = 162.67, p<.001, partial g2 = .52, between attraction ratings in each category of photographs. Pairwise comparisons (Bonferroni corrected) showed that both young and older girls were rated as significantly less attractive than women (p<.001), but more attractive than men (p<.001). In addition, older girls were rated as more attractive than younger girls (p<.001)."
"Key findings were that apparently younger girls were rated as less attractive than (the same) apparently older girls, who in turn were considered less attractive than women. These findings were highly significant and did not differ across countries."
In a sample of 2,278 male patients (1,066 heterosexual teleiophiles, 761 heterosexual hebephiles, 159 heterosexual pedophiles, 110 homosexual pedophiles, 86 homosexual hebephiles, and 96 homosexual teleiophiles) (many being sex offenders against children, adults or both) with a mean age of 37.48 (SD=13.21) and a median education of high school graduation, they looked at the chronophilias of each men. The teleiophilic ones (attraction primarily to adults) would presumably have the same age preferences as the general population of teleiophilic men (most men are teleiophiles). Hebephilic and pedophilic ones would, for the aforementioned reason, have the same age preference as hebephiles in general and pedophiles in general, respectively. (Remember pedophilia is an attraction paraphilia, not an action). Here's the results:
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In another study, 214 gynephlilic (attraction to female people) and teleiophilic (attraction to adults) male patients for traits like sex crimes, paraphilic or problematic sexual behavior, etc. with no offense history against girls under 17 or male people and no possible evidence of non-teleiophilia/non-heterosexuality behavior-wise or attraction-wise were used in a study. The average age was 35.74 (SD=11.62). 35.5% of the men had no known sexual offenses and 64.5% had offenses against at least 1 adult woman, rape, frotteurism, exhibitionism, and obscene telephone calling. Audiotaped narratives involving prepubescent girls and boys ages 5 to 9, pubescent boys/girls age 11 to 13, and adult men/women. Photographic models included prepubescent girls ages 3 to 11, pubescent girls age 12 to 14, adult women age 20 to 35, prepubescent boys age 5 to 11, pubescent boys age 12 to 14, and adult men age 19 to 41. Results shown below:
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One limitation was addressed, but it doesn't appear to make a difference in the results: "One might query the generalizability of the results obtained from this population, given that approximately 65% had been convicted of one or more sexual offenses and that the remaining 35% accessed services in the Sexual Behaviors Clinic because of some type of sexual concern or problem. Although this undoubtedly is not the typical college sample of males often recruited for psychological or sexuality studies, we do not believe this to be a very serious limitation, as the results of the current study very closely confirmed results obtained from volunteers in previous research."
Another study showed more detailed results of men's sexuality. 2,355 men (including mostly male patients with the same characteristics in two previous studies) were included in a study and grouped together by chronophilia (sexual attraction to a specific age group). Their average age was 37.75 (SD=13.24 years) and their median education level was Grade 12. They were asked to rate each age group by attractiveness and asked about their erotic age/gender preferences for the following age groups:
Phallometry was used to measure arousal to audionarrative (including of prepubescent children ages 5 to 9, pubescent minors ages 11 to 13, and adult men/women) and nude photographic models of age groups: "The original set of photographic models on which the present test was based comprised prepubescent girls age 5–11, pubescent girls 12–14, adult women 22–26, prepubescent boys 5–11, pubescent boys 12–14, and adult men 19– 25 (Freund, Langevin, Cibiri, & Zajac, 1973; Freund, Mc- Knight, Langevin, & Cibiri, 1972). There have been some additions or substitutions of models in the intervening years, primarily involving the adults. The new models extended the ages of the prepubescent girls to 3–11 years, the ages of the adult women to 20–35 years, and the ages of the adult men to 19–41 years."
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They also measured sexual arousal to age/gender groups through phallometry but did NOT include mid-late teenagers, which prevents ephebophiles from experiencing maximum arousal to any age group.
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Heterosexual Aversion in Homosexual Males [link]
36 gay men ages 21 to 43 (mean age=26.9) who preferred adult partners ages 20 to 30 from 3 gay nightclubs were paid volunteers in a study alongside 18 heterosexual university students and 18 heterosexual recent immigrants ages 21 to 39 (mean age=24.7). Their sexual arousal through phallometry was measured to the following stimuli:
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The penile response data is shown below. The gay men showed minuscule attraction to boys under age 12, moderately high attraction to pubescent boys age 12 to 14, and very high attraction to young adult men. The straight men showed minuscule attraction to girls ages 5 to 8, a little attraction to girls age 8 to 11, moderately high attraction to pubescent girls age 12 to 14, and very high attraction to young adult women.
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IDENTIFYING SEXUAL PREFERENCES IN INTRAFAMILIAL AND EXTRAFAMILIAL CHILD SEXUAL ABUSERS
62 heterosexual intrafamilial sex offenders (father-daughter incest offenders with daughter victims under 17), 57 heterosexual extrafamilial child molesters with victims under 17), 25 homosexual extrafamilial child molesters with victims under 17, and 47 controls (normal, heterosexual, nondeviant men from the community) all were used for a study. Their age did not differ much (average age: 33.99; SD=8.75). "The heterosexual extrafamilial and incest offenders had significantly less education (means 10.23 and 9.96 years, respectively) than the controls and homosexual extrafamilial offenders (means 12.74 and 12.60, respectively). There were no other statistically significant group differences in education."
"A series of twenty-seven 16 mm movie clips were utilized as erotic stimuli in this study. These pictures consisted of 4 age-sex categories of men, women, boys and girls. The age categories were 6 to 8, 9 to 11, 13 to 15 and 18 to 25 years of age for both genders. There were three repeats of each age-sex category and three sexually neutral clips. The clips were sequenced in a pseudo random order within each of 3 stimulus blocks, after Freund, et al. (1972). Movie clips were used because penile reactions to movies tend to be larger than those to slides."
Results shown below. The normal men showed very high attraction to 18 to 25 year old women, some degree of attraction to 13 to 15 year old girls, minuscule attraction to 9 to 11 year old girls and no attraction at all to 6 to 8 year old girls, neutral stimuli and men/boys of all ages.
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An Internet Study of Men Sexually Attracted to Children: Sexual Attraction Patterns
1,189 men (mean age: 33.66 to 33.7; SD=13.2) recruited from forums for men attracted to children were included in a study, many being forums that condemn child molesting and encourage these men to avoid acting on their attraction. Some men instead came from smaller referral sources and some men didn't clarify how they discovered the study. This sample includes 125 female-attracted non-exclusive ephebophiles (non-exclusive means they can fall into more than one chronophilia and have more than 1 highest rated age group, which results in ties), 18 female-attracted exclusive (exclusive means there's an age group they have way more attraction to than any other age group, having only 1 highest-rated age group) ephebophiles, 95 male-attracted non-exclusive ephebophiles, 15 male-attracted exclusive ephebophiles, 162 female-attracted non-exclusive teleiophiles, 37 female-attracted exclusive teleiophiles, 64 male-attracted non-exclusive teleiophiles, and 15 male-attracted exclusive teleiophiles.
Results are shown below, and it is similar to results shown in other studies examining men's sexual arousal or rating patterns regardless of the sampling methodology, so a sampling bias wouldn't be a severe limitation. The age groups are prepubescent (age 10 and below), pubescent (age 11 to 14), adolescent (15 to 16), and adult (17 and older).
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The Puzzle of Male Chronophilias
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In his article The Puzzle of Male Chronophilias, pedophilia expert and sexologist Michael C. Seto wrote: "a sexual interest in sexually mature adolescents, though socially sanctioned in modern Western societies if under the legal age of consent, is neither uncommon nor atypical." He elaborated:
"Ephebophilia is subject to a great deal of confusion because of its conflation with legal standards and moral norms. For example, the fact that the age of consent is 16 in Canada and in many American states, and that there is clearly some interest in regarding this age range—as demonstrated by ‘‘barely legal’’ or ‘‘schoolgirl’’ pornography genres, popular cultural memes regarding ‘‘jailbait,’’ the use of young teen models in mainstream fashion and other media—does not directly speak to the existence of ephebophilia. Because of the blurriness of sexual maturation from adolescence into adulthood, teleiophilic men and women might well have some sexual attraction to 15–17 year olds, even if it is illegal and/or socially frowned upon. Moreover, some young adults look like minors (and some minors look like adults)."
Seto and fellow researcher Skye Stephens wrote together: "Conceptually, hebephilia is a paraphilia, reflecting an atypical (statistically rare) sexual age interest in pubescent children. In contrast, a sexual preference in older adolescents (ephebophilia) would probably not meet Wakefield's definition, given older adolescents are reproductively viable and the fact that typically men are sexually attracted to older adolescents, as reflected in self-report, psychophysiological, and pornography use studies." They then wrote about early pubescent minors (ages 11 to 14): "Given that teleiophilic men still show sexual response to non-preferred age categories, showing some response to pubescent children is normative. Showing more arousal to pubescent children than to adults, or not discriminating between these two categories, is not normative."
CONSENSUS AMONG RESEARCHERS
Although studies vary on whether it's normative to find pubescent girls age 11 to 14 attractive (some studies show it's common to find them at least somewhat attractive whereas some show the opposite), studies consistently show that it's common for ordinary men to find older teens (ages 15 to 17) attractive. Nonetheless, men appear to find 18 to 24 year olds the most attractive, with the peak being age 20. Experts unanimously agree that finding high school-age girls attractive is normal. Sexologist and pedophilia expert James Cantor said: "It's very common for regular men to be attracted to 18-year-olds or 20-year-olds. It's not unusual for a typical 16-year-old to be attractive to many men, and the younger we go, the fewer and fewer men are attracted to that age group." Sexologist and pedophilia expert Fred Berlin said: "Most men can find adolescents attractive sexually, although, of course, that doesn't mean they're going to act on it. Some men who become involved with teenagers may not have a particular disorder. Opportunity and other factors may have contributed to their behaving in the way they do." Seto elaborated on men's chronophilic preferences: "Hebephilia," he explains, "is clinically and scientifically defined as a sexual attraction to pubescent children, i.e., kids who are showing some signs of pubertal development but who are still clearly physically immature." Hebephilia does not include older teenagers. He explains most men are not hebephiles, and most are not attracted to pubescent teens (he most likely is referring to early teens such as 13 year olds). When it comes to the older teens (15 to 17 year olds), Seto said: "Many men are sexually attracted to older teens," he says, "but not as much as they are sexually attracted to young adults." Seto cited studies showing that, on average, both straight and gay men show more sexual responses to photos of adults than to photos of older teens (presumably 15 to 17 year olds). Sociologist Sarah Goode, author of Understanding and Addressing Adult Sexual Attraction to Children says that while it's "pretty normal" for men to be attracted to teenagers, it's by no means universal. Although I don't know if she's biased or if she has evidence for this, given she is a sociologist instead of a sexologist conducting research through phallometry, but that wouldn't mean she's wrong of course. That would be the credentials fallacy or the identity fallacy, but who knows if she's just saying that due to bias. I couldn't locate where exactly she said that in her book (if that's a quote from her book at all, which, for now, I'm not completely certain about).
Men probably find young adult women the most attractive
Donald Symons, in his book The Evolution of Human Sexuality, "speculated on the age at which females should be most attractive to males, predicting 23-28 ± 2, '... if males have been designed by selection to 'evaluate' females primarily as sex partners,' and 17-22 ± 2 if '... designed by selection to 'evaluate' females primarily as wives.'" (p. 189)
Studies have shown consistently that heterosexual men are attracted to youth, and that even a lot of studies show that gay men are attracted to youth.
The age group men find the most attractive appears to be ages 18 to 24, with the very peak being 20 years old. There are 7 chronophilias: nepiophilia (predominant or exclusive sexual attraction to infants or toddlers), pedophilia (a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children generally ages 3 to 10), hebephilia (a predominant/exclusive attraction to early pubescent minors ages 11 to 14), ephebophilia (a predominant sexual attraction to teenagers), teleiophilia (a primary attraction to younger adults ages 18 to 39), mesophilia (attraction primarily to middle aged adults), and gerontophilia (predominant sexual attraction to elders). The prevalence of men who are pedophiles is estimated to be 1 to 5 percent of men (consensus being 1 percent), with hebephilia's prevalence being possibly 2 to 3 times more common (most likely only slightly higher than pedophilia). Hebephilia is only a PREDOMINANT attraction to minors ages 11 to 14 but not the mere attraction to them. Most men are teleiophiles, but although teleiophilic men often can find teenage girls attractive and ephebophilic men often are attracted to women in their 20s, the big difference between teleiophilia and ephebophilia is shown in some charts above. Ephebophiles find women most attractive at 15/16 years old whereas for teleiophilic men, it's around ages 18 to 24 (especially age 20).
An OkCupid study found that men, no matter how old they are, find 20 year olds the most physically and sexually attractive. Even a middle aged man will find early 20s the most attractive. Women in their early-mid 20s find men a bit older the most physically attractive, women in their late 20s and women in their 30s found men around their own age the most physically attractive, and women over 40 found men a few years younger the most physically attractive, with 50 year old women finding men most physically attractive at age 46. According to Christian Rudder of OkCupid: "This isn’t survey data. This is data built from tens of millions of preferences expressed in the act of finding a date."
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Also, the youngest women get the most attention on dating websites. According to OkCupid blog "The Case For An Older Woman", the largest amount of people from the dating pool is interested in a woman when she's about 21 or 22, starting off high at 18. It plummets in the late 20s to where it was at 18 and doesn't plummet to a low number of people interested in her until age 31. It could be it skyrockets to a peak at 21 from 18 because the drinking age is 21 and stigma against age gaps scares men into avoiding 18 to 20 year olds, given that before the late 20th century, age gaps were more common alongside more accepted. 18 year old men have a low number of the dating pool interested in him, skyrocketing to a peak in his mid-late 20s, plummeting after 30 and reaching a low number of the dating pool interested him at 36. However, when men do things even more controversial in terms of social norms, such as pursuing or admitting to attraction to 18 to 20 year olds or even younger, then that's where they're presumably more likely to be honest or show their true colors. No matter what he states his age preference as, the median 30 year old man spends just as much time messaging 18 and 19 year old women as he messages women his own age. On the other hand, women only a few years older are largely neglected. Additionally, 18 year old women receive the most new contacts on OkCupid monthly, with the number of contacts decreasing as she gets older. This is true whether she shows cleavage or not (although the decrease is less intense when cleavage is used by each age group and cleavage helps more contacts appear).
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A study also looked at online dating and found that women's desirability peaks at 18, and then falls from there. Men's desirability starts off moderately high at 18 and gradually reaches its peak at age 50, then gradually decreasing after that:
"Once we have our desirability scores, we can use them to identify characteristics of desirable users by comparing scores against various user attributes. As shown in Fig. 2, for instance, average desirability varies with age for both men and women, although it varies more strongly for women, and the effects run in opposite directions: Older women are less desirable, while older men are more so. For women, this pattern holds over the full range of ages on the site: The average woman’s desirability drops from the time she is 18 until she is 60. For men, desirability peaks around 50 and then declines."
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A lot of people might argue that men aren't into youth because they like MILF. First off, I don't think MILF was always a popular porn category (at least not to my knowledge). Additionally, the real reason men like MILF isn't because they find older women just as attractive. They are attracted to how she is dominant and initiates and leads. Many men, believe it or not, enjoy being submissive (I don't mean pegging though). Many like dominant women and MILFs in porn often are dominant and have high status jobs and initiate everything in the video. There are way more men who like being submissive than women who like being dominant (as far as I know). Also, not that many men think cougars are hot (a good amount but not much). Allure surveyed 2,000 Americans. Only 36% of 18 to 29 year old men think cougars are hot, which means 64%, a majority, don't, and the ones who do probably still find young women hotter. Admittedly men in this survey said they think female beauty peaks at age 29 and that women are most seductive at 30, but men in this survey might be saying what is in line with social norms where older men finding very young women most attractive is seen as taboo or creepy. This is a social desirability bias. In studies where men admit to finding the youngest adult women the most attractive or even younger, they are probably more honest given they are saying something that takes a lot of guts to say even anonymously. Besides, only a third of male baby boomers (this was 2013 so they were all 49 to 67 years old at the time) said they find women their own age attractive (which isn't nearly as controversial to say if you say you find 29 year olds the most attractive instead of saying 20 year olds). Cubs (young men who date cougars) typically like cougars for reasons having nothing to do with mesophilia (attraction to middle aged adults). 250 of them were polled (half being 18 to 25 years old) and "fifty percent of the men say they like older women because there is something sexy about a mature woman who knows her own mind and body. Another 22 percent say younger women aren't mature enough and are full of drama. Nine percent say they think their younger bodies are more likely to turn on an older woman." Not many only date older women exclusively: "Only 17 percent say they date older women exclusively. 32 percent say they usually date younger women, but occasionally like to be with an older woman." Also, although MILF is a popular porn category, teen porn has also had popularity. Teen porn has declined in popularity, possibly due to backlash from society and feminists. Teen was more popular than MILF and one of the top searches in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015. Its popularity decreased a little and went behind MILF in 2016. In the late 2010s/early 2020s, teen porn declined in popularity, but many young pornstars in their 20s who look 18 are still popular, such as Lana Rhoades, and Shaiden Rogue is a 20 year old pornstar with lots of views on PornHub, and she got started at 18, with videos of her 18 year old self having lots of popularity.
Is it normal to find teenage girls attractive? Yes. A lot of men will find a 15 to 17 year old attractive but they find 18 to 24 year olds the most attractive (with the very peak being around age 20). Finding 14 year olds girls attractive is fairly normative and some men can find them somewhat attractive. Some men might find 12 or 13 year old girls somewhat attractive (but some won't have any attraction) and while some men might have a minuscule attraction to prepubescent girls, many men won't find prepubescent girls attractive at all. Finding prepubescent girls and middle school age girls very attractive, however, is unusual, especially for prepubescent girls. Strong attraction to 15 or 16 year olds, however, is pretty normal. Although men find 17 to 24 year olds more attractive, they presumably could find some 15 or 16 year olds just as attractive as women in their early 20s, given that some 15 or 16 year old girls look like they're in their early 20s and women in their early-mid 20s look like they could still be in high school (especially women in their early 20s). So obviously agecucks like IT are idiots when they call this pedophilia (a primary attraction to prepubescent children). Nonetheless, pedocels on this forum who drool all over 9 year olds are abnormal. Pedophilia and hebephilia don't mean a mere attraction to prepubescent and early pubescent minors, but a predominant/exclusive attraction, which is atypical. Ephebophilia isn't classified as a disorder by researchers because attraction to older teens is common and normative among many men. The difference between ephebophilia and teleiophilia is that ephebophiles find 15-16 year olds the most attractive but also have strong attraction to 12 to 14 year olds and 17 to 24 year olds. Teleiophiles have non-existent to medium attraction to 12 to 14 year olds, strong attraction to 15/16 year olds and maximum attraction to 17 to 24 year olds, the age group they find the most attractive (with the peak being around age 20). Men who find teenagers attractive often lack attraction to prepubescent children and real pedophiles lack attraction to teens. As straight men get older, they still find young women most attractive. This also is often true for gay men, and many gay men can find teenage guys attractive, too. Our biology doesn't respond to laws or morals or social norms. Chronophilia is innate and biological. We are attracted to physical development, not age, and if you think women are most attractive at age 20, you probably could find a lot of 17 year olds attractive given girls in those two ages don't look even remotely different. Besides, if you saw someone you thought was in their 20s and thought they're hot and then realized they're 17, you won't lose your attraction to them (repressing it doesn't reduce it). It's not a button to turn on or off just like how getting married doesn't mean you lose your attraction to other women (even if we outlawed adultery unless it's already illegal). If we acknowledge married men can't get rid of their attraction to other women, how is this different when it comes to teenagers? That's the special pleading fallacy. Some girls at 15 to 17 look like they're in their early 20s and some women in their early-mid 20s look like they're in high school.
In short, yes, it is common to find 18 or 20 year olds attractive. It's not unusual for many men to find a 16 year old girl attractive. Some men could find 12 to 14 year olds somewhat attractive whereas some won't, and the younger we go, the fewer and fewer men are attracted to that age group.
Agecucks and ACTUAL pedocels on suicidewatch.
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this graph shows that more than half of men have some sort of erectile response when viewing an image of a nude 4-10yo prepubescent girl, so are you saying that more than half of men are “deviant?”
also, if more than half of men can feel some sort of attraction to prepubescent girls, even if just a bit, does it really make it “abnormal?” i don’t think it does tbh, i wouldn’t say its normal to PREFER 4-10yos since most girls at that age cannot breed yet, but it’s necessarily ’deviant‘ (like homosexuality) either.
how do you know the attraction to prepubescent girls part is minuscule but not to the older adolescents?Edmund_Kemper said:They only showed minuscule attraction in there. It’s insignificant