Serious More important than looks?

[znbox]

What about charisma?

It's much more rare than good face or height, it's impossible to acquire unless you are born with it. You can't fake it.

Almost everyone knows at least one person who combines the rare qualities like leadership, confidence, sense of humor, or something, I don't even know how to describe it. I think it's more important for success than looks. Of course, attractive guys will find sex easier, but nobody can resist a charismatic dude.

For example, take 2 Chads: some model prettyboy and Robert Downey jr. The former may be higher and better by any possible criteria, but I'm sure 99/100 chicks would go for RDJ even if they don't know who he is, just after seeing him talk for 10 minutes. I know, you are going to say that it's easier for someone above 8/10, but I think a natural charisma can make even a sub 5 super attractive and likable.

The examples I can think of are Howard Stern (I know he is tall, but look at him, he is an ugly skinny jew, he was especially ugly when he was young) or BoJack Horseman, a cartoon, but still a charismatic character. I think that most of ugly rock stars fall under that category, like Steve Taylor, Iggy Pop or David Bowie. Yeah, it's also status, but many of them got plenty of pussy before being famous. There is some connection between talent and charisma.

Anyway, I don't think it is possible to maxx charisma somehow, so "improving personality" won't work here. It's just my observation. What do you think?

 

[acnescarcel]

 

[Anger]

 

[znbox]

cope

I am coping, just sharing my observations and thoughts here.

I thought about it after eavesdropping to several femoids discussing Marvel characters, and they all agreed RDJ is hotter than the Thor guy which is nonsense by looks logic, he is shorter, older, skinnier, uglier etc. although he is still a 7 or 8 by looks only, but Thor is a fucking 12.

 

[metal]

looks determines our personality, improving personality for an incel is one of the biggest copes

 

[Juxtaposition6]

Even if we were to assume what you say to be true, most people cannot be that charismatic, there just are many things beyond your grasp that dictate your sociability and all that shit, looks are easier to get through surgerymaxxing than a good charisma etc, playing into and adding to their importance(to most people), pitted against looks, godlike charisma just isn't a variable that can be pitted against looks because unlike looks, it's almost impossible to get.

 

[Angry_runt]

I am coping, just sharing my observations and thoughts here.

I thought about it after eavesdropping to several femoids discussing Marvel characters, and they all agreed RDJ is hotter than the Thor guy which is nonsense by looks logic, he is shorter, older, skinnier, uglier etc. although he is still a 7 or 8 by looks only, but Thor is a fucking 12.

RDJ is a rich celebrity and of course they know who he is. Even if they don't, they're likely to know he's a rich celebrity by how other people are treating him. And they are not attracted to him, not even to his status; they are attracted to his money and status they'd get by hooking up with him.

Sure charisma and a sense of humor help... but they only help you close the deal quicker once the girl is already attracted to you.
But you cannot create attraction with charisma.
Having a great looking body works the same way too.

 

[znbox]

looks determines our personality, improving personality for an incel is one of the biggest copes

But personalities are partly determined by genes, partly by surrounding, and partly just random. Also, I think that charisma is more like a talent than a personality trait. Looks don't really determine how well you draw or sing or perform on stage.

 

[Juxtaposition6]

False equivalence.
@znbox

 

[Incellectual]

charisma = attractive

when an ugly man is confident hes seen as arrogant. When an attractive man is confident he just has a good self esteem.
when an ugly man is smart he is seen as a know it all. when an attractive man is smart he is seen as a genius.
same thing here, when an ugly man is "charismatic" people see him as trying too hard and trying to impress too much but someone who is attractive and/or tall is seen as charismatic by default.

 

[znbox]

RDJ is a rich celebrity and of course they know who he is. Even if they don't, they're likely to know he's a rich celebrity by how other people are treating him. And they are not attracted to him, not even to his status; they are attracted to his money and status they'd get by hooking up with him.

Sure charisma and a sense of humor help... but they only help you close the deal quicker once the girl is already attracted to you.
But you cannot create attraction with charisma.
Having a great looking body works the same way too.

Yeah, but the first Iron Man was such a hit not because RDJ was rich and attractive celebrity. The movie was pretty good too, but most of its success is because of RDJ, because how well he fit into this character and how watchable he was. Considering, that most of the movie was improvised, I can assure that the likability of Tony Stark is attributed to RDJ not the director.

So basically what I am saying is that his charisma played a major role in the movie success. And I disagree with you, I think you definitely can create attraction with charisma only, and I mentioned the examples in my post, unless you are a circus freak (that would be a fetish not attraction).

 

[SoCalSuifuel]

Fucking greycels.

 

[metal]

looks does not determine your talent in autistic activities like informatics, drawing and others

 

[znbox]

charisma = attractive

when an ugly man is confident hes seen as arrogant. When an attractive man is confident he just has a good self esteem.
when an ugly man is smart he is seen as a know it all. when an attractive man is smart he is seen as a genius.
same thing here, when an ugly man is "charismatic" people see him as trying too hard and trying to impress too much but someone who is attractive and/or tall is seen as charismatic by default.

Charisma is not confidence, nor intelligence. When an ugly man is charismatic he is never seen as trying hard unless he is faking it. Like Deni de Vito, although I don't think he is charismatic, but he has this likable comedic talent or something and it never seems like he is trying hard.

I mean, do you really find Howard Stern trying hard? Part of his charisma is his voice of course.

 

[Deleted member 10314]

just be low inhib bro

 

[Incellectual]

Charisma is not confidence, nor intelligence. When an ugly man is charismatic he is never seen as trying hard unless he is faking it. Like Deni de Vito, although I don't think he is charismatic, but he has this likable comedic talent or something and it never seems like he is trying hard.

I mean, do you really find Howard Stern trying hard? Part of his charisma is his voice of course.

If Danny DeVito wasn't famous he wouldn't be seen as charismatic though.

 

[znbox]

If Danny DeVito wasn't famous he wouldn't be seen as charismatic though.

Nope, he is famous because he is charismatic. Again, I don't really think he is, it's more a comedic talent. A better example is Bill Murray, not an ugly dude, but not an attractive one, an average 4 or 5 with bad skin depending on the light. He isn't such a good actor either, he rather plaus himself all the time. But extremely charismatic and watchable and likable. That's why he became famous.

 

[Angry_runt]

Yeah, but the first Iron Man was such a hit not because RDJ was rich and attractive celebrity. The movie was pretty good too, but most of its success is because of RDJ, because how well he fit into this character and how watchable he was. Considering, that most of the movie was improvised, I can assure that the likability of Tony Stark is attributed to RDJ not the director. So basically what I am saying is that his charisma played a major role in the movie success.

Sure RDJ was a big part of why the movie was a success, but keep in mind that it's a comic book movie starring a handsome millionaire celebrity playing a handsome brilliant billionaire super hero. None of it is in any way applicable to everyday life.

And I disagree with you, I think you definitely can create attraction with charisma only, and I mentioned the examples in my post, unless you are a circus freak (that would be a fetish not attraction).

Your examples are rich celebrities and a nonhuman cartoon character. In the real world it doesn't work like that. You can't be sexually attractive and ugly, no matter what you say and how you act. You can be charismatic in that you influence people to have a high opinion of you, but again has nothing to do with sexual attraction. When women say they're attracted to someone like that, it's either their whorishness (thirst for money/status) or just straight up delusion because such supposed attraction will disappear the moment they have a chance to hook up with that guy, like when they're right next to him and can see his nose hairs and feel his breath on them.

 

[Incellectual]

Nope, he is famous because he is charismatic. Again, I don't really think he is, it's more a comedic talent. A better example is Bill Murray, not an ugly dude, but not an attractive one, an average 4 or 5 with bad skin depending on the light. He isn't such a good actor either, he rather plaus himself all the time. But extremely charismatic and watchable and likable. That's why he became famous.

tbh tbh though how many foids do you hear talking about wanting to fuck danny devito? They think he is funny but I don't think I've ever heard a foid say he's attractive or that they want to sleep with him. If anything I feel like I hear his name come up when people need to come up with someone who is unattractive.

When women say they're attracted to someone like that, it's either their whorishness (thirst for money/status) or just straight up delusion because such supposed attraction will disappear the moment they have a chance to hook up with that guy, like when they're right next to him and can see his nose hairs and feel his breath on them.

 

[Unwanted]

 

[PersonalityChad]

 

[znbox]

Sure RDJ was a big part of why the movie was a success, but keep in mind that it's a comic book movie starring a handsome millionaire celebrity playing a handsome brilliant billionaire super hero. None of it is in any way applicable to everyday life.

Your examples are rich celebrities and a nonhuman cartoon character. In the real world it doesn't work like that. You can't be sexually attractive and ugly, no matter what you say and how you act. You can be charismatic in that you influence people to have a high opinion of you, but again has nothing to do with sexual attraction. When women say they're attracted to someone like that, it's either their whorishness (thirst for money/status) or just straight up delusion because such supposed attraction will disappear the moment they have a chance to hook up with that guy, like when they're right next to him and can see his nose hairs and feel his breath on them.

Ben Affleck played a handsome millionaire comic book character, and is a handsome millionaire celebrity, and his movie flopped. What I am saying, is that of course life is different, but general likability doesn't really depend on looks as much as charisma.

And I also wasn't talking about sexual attraction, but overall success, which comes from likability.

tbh tbh though how many foids do you hear talking about wanting to fuck danny devito? They think he is funny but I don't think I've ever heard a foid say he's attractive or that they want to sleep with him. If anything I feel like I hear his name come up when people need to come up with someone who is unattractive.

His wife probably would, but maybe she has a fetish for short ugly clowns. And I wasn't talking about sexual attraction, I was talking about being likable and successful

 

[Autizmooos]

What about charisma?

It's much more rare than good face or height, it's impossible to acquire unless you are born with it. You can't fake it.

Almost everyone knows at least one person who combines the rare qualities like leadership, confidence, sense of humor, or something, I don't even know how to describe it. I think it's more important for success than looks. Of course, attractive guys will find sex easier, but nobody can resist a charismatic dude.

For example, take 2 Chads: some model prettyboy and Robert Downey jr. The former may be higher and better by any possible criteria, but I'm sure 99/100 chicks would go for RDJ even if they don't know who he is, just after seeing him talk for 10 minutes. I know, you are going to say that it's easier for someone above 8/10, but I think a natural charisma can make even a sub 5 super attractive and likable.

The examples I can think of are Howard Stern (I know he is tall, but look at him, he is an ugly skinny jew, he was especially ugly when he was young) or BoJack Horseman, a cartoon, but still a charismatic character. I think that most of ugly rock stars fall under that category, like Steve Taylor, Iggy Pop or David Bowie. Yeah, it's also status, but many of them got plenty of pussy before being famous. There is some connection between talent and charisma.

Anyway, I don't think it is possible to maxx charisma somehow, so "improving personality" won't work here. It's just my observation. What do you think?

not every good looking person has charisma but every charismatic person is good looking just accept it

 

[znbox]

not every good looking person has charisma but every charismatic person is good looking just accept it

you are confusing charisma with confidence or social skills

 

[Autizmooos]

you are confusing charisma with confidence or social skills

not really i can't see how an ugly person can be charismatic

 

[anon]

Lurk some more.

 

[CompleteFuckingLoser]

An ugly charismatic person doesn't exist because they have to look at themselves in the mirror every day.

You are just a reflection of your looks.

 

[Fontaine]

Charisma only works past a certain threshold in looks.