I have already made several threads in which I mentioned the perceptual bias of attractiveness in humans (which should be water knowledge). That is, women, as well as men, are considerably more likely to underrate the physical appearance of men, while they often rate women favorably, thus creating a substantial chasm in the perception of attractiveness between men and women. That tendency seems to be advancing into increasingly delusional territories over time, especially when combined with social media, which has been cancerous to our society and completely disastrous in its exacerbation of present problems, as well as the creation of various harmful phenomena — phenomena such as atomization, a perfect environment to brew vitriol and hatred, and an increase in secular ideologies which leads to individualism → hedonism. This phenomenon in particular is obviously directly linked to hypergamy and gives a clear perspective on why many people reach absurd conclusions about intersexual dynamics, such as the idea that men are constantly dating up in attractiveness. This rubbish is evidently false to us and is disproven by hypergamy and the data we currently have on the dating market, yet people still believe in that preposterous notion because they consider the vast majority of men grotesque and unappealing, while being under the hold of the polar opposite effect when perceiving women.
The reason I am making this thread is because I came across two polls on Reddit that pose the simple question of which sex the respondents find more attractive, and countless posts on social media that are directly about this topic (most of which I did not even include, as there are simply too many). The results are exactly what we expect within the predictive model of the Blackpill and reinforce the vast amount of studies already conducted on this topic: women are significantly more likely to find members of the same sex as more attractive, and whether it's sexual attraction or recognition of perceived appearance of other women is largely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is they perceive women as more attractive on average, which showcases the perceptual bias I have mentioned, and I would even argue it extends past mere recognition of appearance, and part of the growing trend in bisexuality and lesbianism — aka chadsexuality — where women prefer other women over dating anyone who isn't a Chad (this could also be related to some other hormonal factors that increase interest in feminine features, such as birth control, though there are conflicting studies regarding that).
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The results were telling:
Poll 1:
Women (M): 23.8k
Women (F): 9.5k
Men (M): 4k
Men (F): 2.2k
Poll 2:
Women (M): 6.5k
Women (F): 2.6k
Men (M): 1.3k
Men (F): 429
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The pattern is unmistakable. Women are overwhelmingly rated as more attractive — both by men and by women — while men receive far fewer votes, including from other men. These results are devastatingly brutal, as less than 20% of women answering these polls find men to be more attractive on average. This demonstrates the massive chasm between the perception of the sexes of each other, especially since men overwhelmingly see women as more attractive. Granted, these results are likely to be distorted since this poll was conducted on Reddit, but they are nothing extraordinary and align quite well with available research:
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The bias is perfectly clear, and these are the results within a study conducted without any facial cosmetics, hence the effect of makeup isn't even present here — an effect which can typically boost the perceived attractiveness of a woman by approximately 2 points:
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When makeup is factored into the equation — in addition to the absurdly distorted natural perception of attractiveness — this bias grows significantly more, and only serves to further exacerbate the aforementioned problems. Women already possess a natural advantage, and yet they are given more tools to fraud their attractiveness even more to appeal to chads; this inevitably inflates their ego and makes things considerably worse.
All of this is directly tied to the gender attractiveness gap (GAP), which is well-documented:
And, of course, the replies to the poll are filled with utter nonsense:
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"M-muh it just makes sense!"
Incorrect. Women are not generally prettier than men; in fact, one could make the argument men these days are, on average, more likely to mog their female equivalent — especially with all the various standards imposed on men, all while women are desired regardless of their appearance as long as they aren't deformed or morbidly obese (and even then some men are desperate enough). The reason they genuinely believe beautiful women are a more common sight is quite simple — when every woman you perceive is beautiful in your eyes, while every man is grotesque unless he is chad, then yes, that will inevitably lead to the delusional conclusion that beautiful women are somehow more common than beautiful men. Simply put, the standard to be beautiful as a man is significantly more complex and difficult to achieve, while the standard to be beautiful as a woman is extremely low.
To reinforce the points I have made, I would like to share a video I stumbled across on TikTok, showcasing average men and women from around the world. The comments section is filled with women praising the women’s looks while dismissing the men as unattractive. In their eyes, even “average” men are considered subpar, while average women are elevated in comparison.
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This is a perfect demonstration of their delusion. This commenter calls these women “drop dead gorgeous,” despite the video showcasing phenotypically average women. In reality, these women are well within normal attractiveness ranges and do not exhibit traits anyone sane would classify as gorgeous. I suspect that aside from the obvious perceptual bias these vermin are susceptible to — this could also be the result of the woman replying being unattractive and trying to cope with that fact by labeling average women as gorgeous, thus raising her own self-perception. This effect is obviously amplified by the fact even the ugliest of women receive endless attention and validation, which only leads to the standards lowering with every year, as men seem to remain desperate no matter what.
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The volume of agreement shows just how widespread and normalized this perceptual bias is. The utter delusion influencing these people's brains is truly insane, and this should offer a perfect perspective as to why they often spew such detached ideas — they are under the effect of mass delusion, a bias so pervasive that it affects almost everyone, men and women alike.
While in the process of making this thread — I came across another relevant video by chance, and it vindicates the very things I stated previously. The guy in the video begins with the stupid premise that unattractive women have it worse than men, saying that women are more attracted to so-called "medium-ugly" men; of course, such labels are self-contradictory mumbo jumbo that women like to babble, but if we apply the blackpill lens onto it and observe said men, we realize the label is given to men who are typically HTNs, who are in fact attractive and typically have other strong traits such as status or height. The reason we don't see men uttering similar nonsense about "medium-ugly" women is because men are disinterested in such useless labels and would rather label the women as attractive, without the need for labeling — thus, once this particular phenomenon is dissected for what it truly is, the reality unveils and becomes self-evident: the labels women use only serve to prove their hypergamous nature and superficial perception.
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He then goes on to state the very same thing I mentioned previously — word for word — regarding how, in his distorted perception, he observes unattractive men paired with conventionally attractive women "all the time," meanwhile believing that the opposite is rarely seen. Now, that may seem to be the truth from his erroneous perspective, but as we already demonstrated, such conclusions are only arrived at due to the perceptual bias that clouds the lens of the individual. Of course, if every woman is attractive in your eyes, and the majority of men are unattractive, it will inevitably lead to utterly detached conclusions.
He proceeds to list a few examples of how unattractive guys can compensate for their looks, specifically jestermaxxing — which is utterly humiliating and pointless — and other nonsense such as becoming an athlete or rapping, essentially hinting at statusmaxxing; he is not entirely incorrect, but that is, in essence, an apex fallacy and a ridiculous expectation from the average guy. It also won't guarantee a girl will genuinely desire you, and your SMV still won't come near that of your female equivalent; furthermore, the most likely outcome would be a one-sided, exploitative relationship.
He does utter an ounce of truth when he mentions the rejection unattractive men face, but unfortunately he clouds this with utterly ridiculous ideas and fails to mention that unattractive men face far more detriments in society than women. I must also restate his appeal to the top percentage of men in status and how they are often perceived vs. the perception of the top percentage of women is simply fallacious, and also serves to prove what I said.
The comment section of this particular video is also filled to the brim with incessant, detached, and utterly insulting replies — insulting especially to incels, who suffer as a result of immutable external characteristics:
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I saw multiple replies referring to a certain woman — I had to look up who she is, and a simple observation is enough to assess her as an LTB at best, JFL:
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Unsurprisingly, these delusional people genuinely consider her as an attractive woman, and are appalled when one dares rate her accurately; she is overweight, frauded with makeup, and has multiple suboptimal craniofacial features. This, however, is not the primary qualm with their perceptions, but the fact they would consider her looksmatch as utter subhuman, a grotesque creature undeserving of a mere glance — this double standard in perception is the problem, which is precisely what I have discussed.
Also came across these nonsensical ramblings by a sheboon:
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The level of delusion displayed in this one is genuinely off the charts; I am aware these animals are of limited intellectual capacity, but they always manage to surprise me with the manner in which their takes are detached from reality. I won't doubt the fact there is likely a modicum of men — typically high-status men — who value the appearance of a potential partner in part due to how others may perceive them, but the vast majority of men do not even consider such things at all; in fact, this appears to be a projection of the typical female mindset, which places great emphasis on how a potential partner will appear to others. They are the ones truly interested in mogging contests, always thinking about how their boyfriend must be the tallest in the room, best looking, etc.
The second part of her reply is also completely bizarre and detached from reality. She mentions the "medium-ugly" label, which we already know is meaningless. She also brings up a sort of upside-down juggernaut law, which is entirely nonsensical. In reality, it is men who pursue women considerably less attractive than themselves, believing those women have fewer options and are “better" — not the other way around. No woman actively chases an unattractive man. If we untangle her convoluted drivel, we see that so-called unattractive men are often above average. Presumably, she is referring to the idea that some women may believe a man who is attractive, but not a slayer chad, might settle for a woman far below his looksmatch.
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"Wahh wahh, I am too ugly and fat and can't get chad."
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Imagine considering the most parasitic, superficial, self-centered, and depraved reprobates as 'too nice.'
There are plenty more of these laughable replies there, but I just had to share these because they were ludicrous.
I suppose I would like to conclude this thread by restating the fact that women are consistently overvalued in appearance by both sexes; they are exalted, worshipped, and put on a pedestal, while men are systematically undervalued, thus leading to the inevitable creation of an ever-widening gap in perceived desirability. This bias is further amplified by cultural phenomena and various other factors such as makeup, social media, and the validation cycles that disproportionately elevate women’s self-perception. This inevitably means that women do not only benefit from gynocentric biases, but also enjoy greater advantage from the halo effect; men, in contrast, suffer more from the horn effect because of this perception; this is not an outstanding revelation, but it leads to the consequent female privileges that we see in a great number of aspects within society.
This disparity is essentially the one that underpins intersexual dynamics, and serves as a fundamental basis for the resultant phenomenon and behavior we observe in them. It offers a perfect explanation for delusional misconceptions such as “men are always dating up,” which are not only empirically false but are symptomatic of a mass delusion fueled by hypergamy and a perceptual bias.
The reality is that men face far stricter and more absurd standards to be considered attractive, while women enjoy an extremely low threshold in comparison — they are bolstered by systemic validation and social reinforcement. This is why everything said by people — especially women — must always be interpreted with these biases in mind, especially nowadays where this distortion is so common.
This is likely the last thread I will make about this topic, seeing as I have already made several that were very similar, but I felt obligated to do so when I came across these posts.
The reason I am making this thread is because I came across two polls on Reddit that pose the simple question of which sex the respondents find more attractive, and countless posts on social media that are directly about this topic (most of which I did not even include, as there are simply too many). The results are exactly what we expect within the predictive model of the Blackpill and reinforce the vast amount of studies already conducted on this topic: women are significantly more likely to find members of the same sex as more attractive, and whether it's sexual attraction or recognition of perceived appearance of other women is largely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is they perceive women as more attractive on average, which showcases the perceptual bias I have mentioned, and I would even argue it extends past mere recognition of appearance, and part of the growing trend in bisexuality and lesbianism — aka chadsexuality — where women prefer other women over dating anyone who isn't a Chad (this could also be related to some other hormonal factors that increase interest in feminine features, such as birth control, though there are conflicting studies regarding that).
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The results were telling:
Poll 1:
Women (M): 23.8k
Women (F): 9.5k
Men (M): 4k
Men (F): 2.2k
Poll 2:
Women (M): 6.5k
Women (F): 2.6k
Men (M): 1.3k
Men (F): 429
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The pattern is unmistakable. Women are overwhelmingly rated as more attractive — both by men and by women — while men receive far fewer votes, including from other men. These results are devastatingly brutal, as less than 20% of women answering these polls find men to be more attractive on average. This demonstrates the massive chasm between the perception of the sexes of each other, especially since men overwhelmingly see women as more attractive. Granted, these results are likely to be distorted since this poll was conducted on Reddit, but they are nothing extraordinary and align quite well with available research:
---
The bias is perfectly clear, and these are the results within a study conducted without any facial cosmetics, hence the effect of makeup isn't even present here — an effect which can typically boost the perceived attractiveness of a woman by approximately 2 points:
---
When makeup is factored into the equation — in addition to the absurdly distorted natural perception of attractiveness — this bias grows significantly more, and only serves to further exacerbate the aforementioned problems. Women already possess a natural advantage, and yet they are given more tools to fraud their attractiveness even more to appeal to chads; this inevitably inflates their ego and makes things considerably worse.
All of this is directly tied to the gender attractiveness gap (GAP), which is well-documented:
And, of course, the replies to the poll are filled with utter nonsense:
---
"M-muh it just makes sense!"
Incorrect. Women are not generally prettier than men; in fact, one could make the argument men these days are, on average, more likely to mog their female equivalent — especially with all the various standards imposed on men, all while women are desired regardless of their appearance as long as they aren't deformed or morbidly obese (and even then some men are desperate enough). The reason they genuinely believe beautiful women are a more common sight is quite simple — when every woman you perceive is beautiful in your eyes, while every man is grotesque unless he is chad, then yes, that will inevitably lead to the delusional conclusion that beautiful women are somehow more common than beautiful men. Simply put, the standard to be beautiful as a man is significantly more complex and difficult to achieve, while the standard to be beautiful as a woman is extremely low.
To reinforce the points I have made, I would like to share a video I stumbled across on TikTok, showcasing average men and women from around the world. The comments section is filled with women praising the women’s looks while dismissing the men as unattractive. In their eyes, even “average” men are considered subpar, while average women are elevated in comparison.
---
This is a perfect demonstration of their delusion. This commenter calls these women “drop dead gorgeous,” despite the video showcasing phenotypically average women. In reality, these women are well within normal attractiveness ranges and do not exhibit traits anyone sane would classify as gorgeous. I suspect that aside from the obvious perceptual bias these vermin are susceptible to — this could also be the result of the woman replying being unattractive and trying to cope with that fact by labeling average women as gorgeous, thus raising her own self-perception. This effect is obviously amplified by the fact even the ugliest of women receive endless attention and validation, which only leads to the standards lowering with every year, as men seem to remain desperate no matter what.
---
The volume of agreement shows just how widespread and normalized this perceptual bias is. The utter delusion influencing these people's brains is truly insane, and this should offer a perfect perspective as to why they often spew such detached ideas — they are under the effect of mass delusion, a bias so pervasive that it affects almost everyone, men and women alike.
While in the process of making this thread — I came across another relevant video by chance, and it vindicates the very things I stated previously. The guy in the video begins with the stupid premise that unattractive women have it worse than men, saying that women are more attracted to so-called "medium-ugly" men; of course, such labels are self-contradictory mumbo jumbo that women like to babble, but if we apply the blackpill lens onto it and observe said men, we realize the label is given to men who are typically HTNs, who are in fact attractive and typically have other strong traits such as status or height. The reason we don't see men uttering similar nonsense about "medium-ugly" women is because men are disinterested in such useless labels and would rather label the women as attractive, without the need for labeling — thus, once this particular phenomenon is dissected for what it truly is, the reality unveils and becomes self-evident: the labels women use only serve to prove their hypergamous nature and superficial perception.
---
He then goes on to state the very same thing I mentioned previously — word for word — regarding how, in his distorted perception, he observes unattractive men paired with conventionally attractive women "all the time," meanwhile believing that the opposite is rarely seen. Now, that may seem to be the truth from his erroneous perspective, but as we already demonstrated, such conclusions are only arrived at due to the perceptual bias that clouds the lens of the individual. Of course, if every woman is attractive in your eyes, and the majority of men are unattractive, it will inevitably lead to utterly detached conclusions.
He proceeds to list a few examples of how unattractive guys can compensate for their looks, specifically jestermaxxing — which is utterly humiliating and pointless — and other nonsense such as becoming an athlete or rapping, essentially hinting at statusmaxxing; he is not entirely incorrect, but that is, in essence, an apex fallacy and a ridiculous expectation from the average guy. It also won't guarantee a girl will genuinely desire you, and your SMV still won't come near that of your female equivalent; furthermore, the most likely outcome would be a one-sided, exploitative relationship.
He does utter an ounce of truth when he mentions the rejection unattractive men face, but unfortunately he clouds this with utterly ridiculous ideas and fails to mention that unattractive men face far more detriments in society than women. I must also restate his appeal to the top percentage of men in status and how they are often perceived vs. the perception of the top percentage of women is simply fallacious, and also serves to prove what I said.
The comment section of this particular video is also filled to the brim with incessant, detached, and utterly insulting replies — insulting especially to incels, who suffer as a result of immutable external characteristics:
---
I saw multiple replies referring to a certain woman — I had to look up who she is, and a simple observation is enough to assess her as an LTB at best, JFL:
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Unsurprisingly, these delusional people genuinely consider her as an attractive woman, and are appalled when one dares rate her accurately; she is overweight, frauded with makeup, and has multiple suboptimal craniofacial features. This, however, is not the primary qualm with their perceptions, but the fact they would consider her looksmatch as utter subhuman, a grotesque creature undeserving of a mere glance — this double standard in perception is the problem, which is precisely what I have discussed.
Also came across these nonsensical ramblings by a sheboon:
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The level of delusion displayed in this one is genuinely off the charts; I am aware these animals are of limited intellectual capacity, but they always manage to surprise me with the manner in which their takes are detached from reality. I won't doubt the fact there is likely a modicum of men — typically high-status men — who value the appearance of a potential partner in part due to how others may perceive them, but the vast majority of men do not even consider such things at all; in fact, this appears to be a projection of the typical female mindset, which places great emphasis on how a potential partner will appear to others. They are the ones truly interested in mogging contests, always thinking about how their boyfriend must be the tallest in the room, best looking, etc.
The second part of her reply is also completely bizarre and detached from reality. She mentions the "medium-ugly" label, which we already know is meaningless. She also brings up a sort of upside-down juggernaut law, which is entirely nonsensical. In reality, it is men who pursue women considerably less attractive than themselves, believing those women have fewer options and are “better" — not the other way around. No woman actively chases an unattractive man. If we untangle her convoluted drivel, we see that so-called unattractive men are often above average. Presumably, she is referring to the idea that some women may believe a man who is attractive, but not a slayer chad, might settle for a woman far below his looksmatch.
---
"Wahh wahh, I am too ugly and fat and can't get chad."
---
Imagine considering the most parasitic, superficial, self-centered, and depraved reprobates as 'too nice.'
There are plenty more of these laughable replies there, but I just had to share these because they were ludicrous.
I suppose I would like to conclude this thread by restating the fact that women are consistently overvalued in appearance by both sexes; they are exalted, worshipped, and put on a pedestal, while men are systematically undervalued, thus leading to the inevitable creation of an ever-widening gap in perceived desirability. This bias is further amplified by cultural phenomena and various other factors such as makeup, social media, and the validation cycles that disproportionately elevate women’s self-perception. This inevitably means that women do not only benefit from gynocentric biases, but also enjoy greater advantage from the halo effect; men, in contrast, suffer more from the horn effect because of this perception; this is not an outstanding revelation, but it leads to the consequent female privileges that we see in a great number of aspects within society.
This disparity is essentially the one that underpins intersexual dynamics, and serves as a fundamental basis for the resultant phenomenon and behavior we observe in them. It offers a perfect explanation for delusional misconceptions such as “men are always dating up,” which are not only empirically false but are symptomatic of a mass delusion fueled by hypergamy and a perceptual bias.
The reality is that men face far stricter and more absurd standards to be considered attractive, while women enjoy an extremely low threshold in comparison — they are bolstered by systemic validation and social reinforcement. This is why everything said by people — especially women — must always be interpreted with these biases in mind, especially nowadays where this distortion is so common.
This is likely the last thread I will make about this topic, seeing as I have already made several that were very similar, but I felt obligated to do so when I came across these posts.
