Mediterranean peoples share history, culture and genetics.

[Balikesir]

This shouldn't be a shocking revelation. Mediterranean was once one country under roman empire

After the western empire fell. The east stood strong for another millennium.

Here is a research paper discussing why the Mediterranean lands are similar in admixture.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247

TLDR: During roman empire Greeks from all over hellenistic lands would migrate to core roman lands. This would be Italian peninsula, Sicily, Anatolia and levant.

Greeks in Syria - Wikipedia

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Greeks in Israel - Wikipedia

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North Africa - Greeks, Cyrenaica, Colonization | Britannica

North Africa - Greeks, Cyrenaica, Colonization: The natural contacts of Cyrenaica were northward with Crete and the Aegean world. In the late 12th century bc Sea Peoples landing in Cyrenaica armed the Libyans and with them attempted unsuccessfully an invasion of Egypt. Cyrenaica’s coast was...

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African Greeks - Wikipedia

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Other places are common sense.
Here is a map of hellenic peoples during hellenistic period so you understand how big of a population they were.

On this forum however is a sizeable user base that believes once you enter Turkey you will see black people, fully distinct from their neighbors. This is impossible because Southern Italy and Turkey share most of their DNA because of the previously mentioned Greeks.

Closest populations to southern Italy.

Here is a paper that discovered Tuscany is the region most closely resembling the TR population.

The genetic structure of the Turkish population reveals high levels of variation and admixture - PMC

We delineated the fine-scale genetic structure of the Turkish population by using sequencing data of 3,362 unrelated Turkish individuals from different geographical origins and demonstrated the position of Turkey in terms of human migration and ...

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Genetic study links Turkish DNA to Italy's Tuscany, Spain

A decadelong study in Turkey discovered that the population's genetic structure is closely linked to people of Italy's Tuscany and Spain while it...

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People put words in my mouth that I have an evil motive. No. How is science evil? Isn't it a joke that Turks are mostly non Turkic?
Example

The people who say this aren't typically from the Mediterranean. They are Americans who don't know who their father is. Yet such a person knows my ancestry? Don't be ridiculous.

It was Italians that created the ideology of Mediterraneanism. An ideology that stood its time.

Mediterraneanism - Wikipedia

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Sergi claimed the Nordics had made no substantial contribution to pre-modern civilization, noting that "in the epoch of Tacitus, the Germans ... remained barbarians as in prehistoric times

And this is the point. If white nationalists accepted that Italians have a connection to peoples outside of Europe. Then they would admit that we aren't subhumans. They would admit that our 'lowly race' impacted history. They would admit that the bedtime stories they read to their kids about Alexanders conquest of Anatolia is connected to us. Not them.

I will get hate and bombardment by these people. The truth must be spoken. Even if I'm alone in this.

Disclaimer. Because I know that they will put words in my mouth and invent lies. I do not agree that Turks are European. It is a fact that Italy and Turkey share most of their genes. It is not my opinion.

What makes Mediterranean peoples hate each other is religion and history. If you make your identity purely on genetics, then you will have to admit that Turks are European. It is Americans that soil forums with their racial and genetics identity discussions because they are culturally and traditionally removed from europeans. Sometimes also linguistically. This is why they support a genetically based identity.

And no one is speaking about eastern turkey. Why would I be speaking about kurds or Armenians. Don't be nonsensical. Eastern turkey is not anatolia.

@joocel52 @ReconElement @Ubermenschvirtues @anandkonda @DarkStar

 

[joocel52]

This shouldn't be a shocking revelation. Mediterranean was once one country under roman empire

dont forget also about phoenician colonization throught the mediterranean during iron age, the establishments of greek elites thourhgt the near east during the hellenistic era, and ofc greek colonies in italy, north africa, anatolia, and other regions during classical times

The people who say this aren't typically from the Mediterranean. They are Americans who don't know who their father is. Yet such a person knows my ancestry? Don't be ridiculous.

And this is the point. If white nationalists accepted that Italians have a connection to peoples outside of Europe. Then they would admit that we aren't subhumans. They would admit that our 'lowly race' impacted history. They would admit that the bedtime stories they read to their kids about Alexanders conquest of Anatolia is connected to us. Not them.

I will get hate and bombardment by these people. The truth must be spoken. Even if I'm alone in this.

Disclaimer. Because I know that they will put words in my mouth and invent lies. I do not agree that Turks are European. It is a fact that Italy and Turkey share most of their genes. It is not my opinion.

What makes Mediterranean peoples hate each other is religion and history. If you make your identity purely on genetics, then you will have to admit that Turks are European. It is Americans that soil forums with their racial and genetics identity discussions because they are culturally and traditionally removed from europeans. Sometimes also linguistically. This is why they support a genetically based identity.

And no one is speaking about eastern turkey. Why would I be speaking about kurds or Armenians. Don't be nonsensical. Eastern turkey is not anatolia.

true, admitting turks and other med populations display a great genetic similarity to italy and greece will mean they are not subhuman and are equal to the white race, which would be suifuel for white nationalists. the reason syrian rapefugees are a problem in italy for example is cause of their retarded culture, not cause they are syrian
good post

 

[DarkStar]

true, admitting turks and other med populations display a great genetic similarity to italy and greece will mean they are not subhuman and are equal to the white race, which would be suifuel for white nationalists. the reason syrian rapefugees are a problem in italy for example is cause of their retarded culture, not cause they are syrian
good post

Syrians are genetically different, they have more Natufian and INF the same as other Levantines, though ofc they have some ANF

When i’m speaking of Meds being White/European, i’m speaking about more “continental” ones like mainland Italians(south is by region), especially up North, North-Central Iberians, French etc.

I do agree and stated that many southern coastal populations genetically drift, and as shown on a PCA are an intermediary between Europeans and MENA+Kavkaz

You can see it here:

this lines up with both what me and @Balikesir have sort of been saying, that West Anatolians(likely what is drifted) and Greek Islanders+Sicilians are sort of that intermediary.

And OP, would you mind highlighting specifically the thing about Turkish(west anatolian)genes being 80% similar to Italian ones?

 

[DarkStar]

which would be suifuel for white nationalists

I think what we can take from this, is that to many normies and even WN, Italians at least North-Central ones and not some coastal populations

And again, I often find its “jooz” such as yourself who push these dialectics online and push for this. Most Europeans agree that most are White/their fellow European

 

[Balikesir]

dont forget also about phoenician colonization throught the mediterranean during iron age, the establishments of greek elites thourhgt the near east during the hellenistic era, and ofc greek colonies in italy, north africa, anatolia, and other regions during classical times

We have excavations of Bronze age Greeks that were half Phoenician. In turkey a Phoenician was vital to a Greek city state.

Miletus - Wikipedia

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Thales of Miletus - Wikipedia

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Phoenicians are closest to Jews

true, admitting turks and other med populations display a great genetic similarity to italy and greece will mean they are not subhuman and are equal to the white race, which would be suifuel for white nationalists. the reason syrian rapefugees are a problem in italy for example is cause of their retarded culture, not cause they are syrian
good post

. Similar in turkey. Syrians should be able to pass in Eastern turkey but there they are hated as much as they are in the west. It is because of culture and behavior.

 

[user]

When i’m speaking of Meds being White/European, i’m speaking about more “continental” ones like mainland Italians(south is by region), especially up North, North-Central Iberians, French etc.

I do agree and stated that many southern coastal populations genetically drift, and as shown on a PCA are an intermediary between Europeans and MENA+Kavkaz

You can see it here:

Whiteness in a European context is not defined solely based off genetics; it's a cultural and (mainly) historical identity that goes beyond genetic composition. Southern Europeans have been recognized as part of the European racial group in global discussions about race regardless of minor genetic influences.

Southern Europeans are included in the broader white European racial category because of their shared historical identity with Northern and Central Europeans, even if slight genetic variation is still present

 

[DarkStar]

Phoenicians are closest to Jews

I always was told it’s Lebanese

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. Similar in turkey. Syrians should be able to pass in Eastern turkey but there they are hated as much as they are in the west. It is because of culture and behavior.

Well yeah, but they also pass in East Turkey and I think should be closer

 

[DarkStar]

Whiteness in a European context is not defined solely based off genetics; it's a cultural and (mainly) historical identity that goes beyond genetic composition. Southern Europeans have been recognized as part of the European racial group in global discussions about race regardless of minor genetic influences.

Southern Europeans are included in the broader white European racial category because of their shared historical identity with Northern and Central Europeans, even if slight genetic variation is still present

Yup, always were even by the NSDAP of all people:

The text seems to categorize the European races in descending orders in the Nazi racial hierarchy: the Nordic(including the Phalic sub-race, a subgroup of the Nordic race), Mediterranean, Dinaric, Alpine, and East Baltic races.[5

 

[user]

Yup, always were even by the NSDAP of all people:

You think I don't know that?

What makes Mediterranean peoples hate each other is religion and history. If you make your identity purely on genetics, then you will have to admit that Turks are European. It is Americans that soil forums with their racial and genetics identity discussions because they are culturally and traditionally removed from europeans. Sometimes also linguistically. This is why they support a genetically based identity.

I'm not denying that we do share small amounts of DNA, however we are European, and that is what sets us apart

 

[Balikesir]

And OP, would you mind highlighting specifically the thing about Turkish(west anatolian)genes being 80% similar to Italian ones?

Are you referring to which population is their ancestor? That would be hellenistic Greeks.

You see they are closest to greek Islands and greek anatolia.

 

[Balikesir]

always was told it’s Lebanese

Lebanese fall out of the cluster because of their bedouin. They are still mostly Phoenician though.

 

[DarkStar]

Are you referring to which population is their ancestor? That would be hellenistic Greeks.

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You see they are closest to greek Islands and greek anatolia.

Italians should still be close to the Latini/Iron Age Romans, i’ve seen stuff on it

Also, look at this:

Tenney Frank's "Orientalization" Refuted

In 1916, American historian Tenney Frank published an article called "Race Mixture in the Roman Empire" , which is quoted all over the web b...

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I think it’s mainly talking about the claim that North Africans and Levantines re-populated Rome

Will share more later

 

[Balikesir]

think it’s mainly talking about the claim that North Africans and Levantines re-populated Rome

Will share more later

I read this too. Italy used to be northern shifted before the arrival of greek and levant migrants.

Look at this etruscan breakdown.

Modern Italians shift towards etruscans again because of german settlers.

Look how far Italy imperial is to etruscan. It is very interesting how quickly the population of Italy changed after the fall of Rome.

 

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[Cryotron]

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would pass as Jewish as well

 

[joocel52]

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would pass as Jewish as well

Truth

 

[Racial-Identitarian]

Modern Turkey:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.92
2 South_Central_Asian 13.38
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.78
4 Near_East 10.05
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.76
6 Tungus-Altaic 5.68
7 South_East_Asian 4.00
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.92
9 North_African 3.78
10 East_Siberian 2.86
11 South_Indian 1.89
12 Melano_Polynesian 1.53
Source: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226479-Turkish-GEDmatch-results-(Central-Anatolian)


Hitties
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 47.26
2 Caucasus_HG 34.77
3 Near_East 14.50
4 European_HG 3.12
Source: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321584-Hittite-GEDmatch-results-(1750-BC)

@DarkStar
Modern turkey is heavily racemixed

 

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Modern continental greek is like 25% slavic
If you compare with ancient greek then you could see 45 degree shift toward east slavic cluster among the greek plot

 

[DarkStar]

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Truth

JFL no way, as a Jew sure but as a Gulf Arab or Palestinian which this implies no way