Maybe Klaus Schwab is right, humanity needs to cull its numbers.

[Zer0/∞]

Europe was overpopulated and stagnant much like India now, then once the bubonic plague killed 60% of the population, it had the greatest period of technological and social development in history. Maybe once the next virus or climate catastrophe that wipes half of us out, the surviving population will enjoy a much richer, greater standard of living.

Earth’s carrying capacity is only 2-4 billion and we’re well above it, the population needs to be stabilized back to equilibrium.

 

[Zer0/∞]

Global warming needs to accelerate before us shitskins can adapt. @Diddy

 

[Senzatetto]

It's about what Earth can sustained, it's about how many humans being alive can justified for or trusted with themselves.

The only reason depopulation is good is because unless science and technology can physically and genetically liberate us, all humans should die and also because less people= less beta slaves for the worldwide Chad caste to exploit.

 

[rokosbasilisk]

Have you read William Catton's book Overshoot? It has some interesting points on the topic of overpopulation.

 

[unionistcel]

Replacing us with robots

 

[Emba]

Needs to start by killing all the jews and super rich folks...

Then everyone else will do much better

 

[shishiowasright]

Definitely do think there’s too many people on the planet, humans should’ve started breeding less centuries ago.

 

[Bazooka Koala]

Covid was only a test run by the elites and a stronger version is needed to reduce the world population to less than billion.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

There are things that are critical to human civilization (and to a large extent, correlate with quality of life) that are also in a fixed amount. Land and non-renewable natural resources (oil, natural gas, various rare earth elements, etc.). We're not going to be engaging in asteroid mining or terraforming anytime soon, so there's a fixed amount we have access to.

More people = more competition for the same amount of aforementioned resources = increased neijuan and decreased quality of life.

We've all heard boomers flex about how they were homeowners at age 22 (usually either explicitly stating, or strongly implying that younger generations are failures because they're "too lazy" to pick themselves up from their bootstraps because they're not REAL MEN like boomers were or whatever). Of course we all know that the median income to median house price back in 1970 was WAY more favorable than it is now. Well, part of the reason is the population of the US was almost half of what it is now, same goes for the global population. We doubled the population while the amount of land remained exactly the same...of course real estate prices are going to be higher proportional to average income.

Also the whole "labor shortage" myth (this will often get brought up or alluded to alongside the the "low birth rate epidemic" arguments) is complete bullshit. It's just propaganda from corporations to justify importing cheaper labor. I work in fast food, which even out of other minimum wage jobs, is one of the shittiest. Yet people still apply everyday and we don't hire the vast majority of those who apply. Not to mention as far as labor goes, automation will take over plenty of fields in the next decade or two anyway.

Aside from that their only other argument is "B-BUT MUH TOTAL GDP!".

 

[Butane]

I could care less, I just want to breed with a thicc white foid

 

[Hoor Al-Ayn]

Europe was overpopulated and stagnant much like India now, then once the bubonic plague killed 60% of the population, it had the greatest period of technological and social development in history.

The Black death ended in the 1350's; the great divergence started much later.
The rapid period of technological and social development was caused by the invention of capitalism as well as the colonialism which fueled it.

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

That is a very Malthusian perspective, but you are correct. Under the current system of cuckpitalism in order to experience anothER boom we need anothER crash. That is why everyone is gearing up for war, in my opinion. Our leadERs know this and will engage in anothER culling as to not lose control over the tax cattle.

Ideally we should reject cuckpitalism and embrace something like socialism as to avoid another world war. But the chances of that are slim to none. Oh well, I plan on leaving this continent and encourage my brocels to do the same.

 

[TooSomething]

Needs to start by killing all the jews and super rich folks...

Then everyone else will do much better

Absolutely this and give the prople access to all the classified knowledge that the Vatican hides.

 

[erbatm259]

before i rope i will go to india and kill as many jeets as possible

 

[erbatm259]

That is a very Malthusian perspective, but you are correct. Under the current system of cuckpitalism in order to experience anothER boom we need anothER crash. That is why everyone is gearing up for war, in my opinion. Our leadERs know this and will engage in anothER culling as to not lose control over the tax cattle.

Ideally we should reject cuckpitalism and embrace something like socialism as to avoid another world war. But the chances of that are slim to none. Oh well, I plan on leaving this continent and encourage my brocels to do the same.

capitalism is when the government does stuff

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

capitalism is when the government does stuff

When the government controlled by the capitalist class does shit, I agree.
But the government should precisely do the opposite, namely protecting citizens from capital.

before i rope i will go to india and kill as many jeets as possible

Also glows me

 

[erbatm259]

When the government controlled by the capitalist class does shit, I agree.
But the government should precisely do the opposite, namely protecting citizens from capital.

capitalism is a system with private property and free trade, there being a state means it's not capitalism as the state both violates private property (taxes, regulations, eminent domain, zoning laws, IP, etc.) and free trade (again regulations and IP, VAT, subsidies, sometimes price controls, etc.)

there are only two classes, that being the productive class and the anti productive class, that being the state, most of the billionares and mega corps are part of the anti productive class because most of their wealth is accumulated using the state

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

there being a state means it's not capitalism as the state both violates private property

On the contrary. Private property without the state would mean that you alone are responsible for the defense of your property. In a society the government has that job, it defends your property from thieves, squatters or just unwelcome guests. Capitalism, without a central bank is impossible. It needs a government at the very leat to impose contracts, because if there is no powerful organization behind a contract then it is ultimately just a piece of paper.

I can sign a rent contract and after I have paid my contract the owner of my flat tells me to fuck off. Without a government to guarantee that my landlord will not fuck me over I will not sign any contract because it would be worthless. And you can take this simple concept and apply it to any sort of economic transaction. How will you know that a company is not fucking you over and that if they are they will get punished? You do not. Capitalism can not survive without a government.

 

[erbatm259]

On the contrary. Private property without the state would mean that you alone are responsible for the defense of your property.

i can pay someone to defend it for me and i can defend it myself, if i try to defend my property now i get locked up in prison

squatters

in america they literally made it illegal to get rid of squatters lol

Capitalism, without a central bank is impossible.

how did capitalism work before the federal reserve then? the only thing that's impossible without a central bank is so obviously stealing money from people without anyone caring

It needs a government at the very leat to impose contracts, because if there is no powerful organization behind a contract then it is ultimately just a piece of paper.

a gun is powerful enough

I can sign a rent contract and after I have paid my contract the owner of my flat tells me to fuck off.

take him to court then? you have a contract and he breached it that wouldn't be hard

you're just making statements and no arguments, read private production of defense by hoppe

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

i can pay someone to defend it for me and i can defend it myself, if i try to defend my property now i get locked up in prison

So what if the thieves pay him more? Who will watch over your private security that they don't fuck you over? At the end of the day there is no contract. Nothing binding.

how did capitalism work before the federal reserve then? the only thing that's impossible without a central bank is so obviously stealing money from people without anyone caring
take him to court then? you have a contract and he breached it that wouldn't be hard

We are not talking about federal reserves though. We are talking about central banks and yes you do need an institution to ensure that money keeps on flowing. Otherwise you will have another tulip mania, ie economic speculation. You already see that shit happening with bitcoin. That is why no sane person uses it as a currency and why everyone is using it for monetary speculation.

Tulip mania - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

a gun is powerful enough

So when someone is not going to clean your car and you paid them for that you will gun them down? You personally? A frail incel?
If that were the reality we were living then that would suck ass. It would basically mean that we are only able to solicit services from weaker people than ourselves. It would be the death of most of us.

take him to court then? you have a contract and he breached it that wouldn't be hard

Court.... Judiciar branch of government. Do you see why you need a non market entity to implement contracts? Even you advise me to go to court.... So you must get it no? Capitalism simply can not survive without a government.

you're just making statements and no arguments, read private production of defense by hoppe

I am describing you hypothetical scenarios in which capitalism could not function without a government. As there are no instances of capitalism functioning without a government I am forced to do so.
And no, I will not read a book. I trust that you have your big boy pants on and can reproduce the arguments of Hoppe. If you can not then that either means that you have a shitty memory or that you do not have any rational reason for why you support hard anarcho-capitalism ( I define it as zero government ancapism).

 

[ESLcel01]

 

[erbatm259]

So what if the thieves pay him more? Who will watch over your private security that they don't fuck you over? At the end of the day there is no contract. Nothing binding.

what if the thieves pay the government more? nestle is basically genociding niggers and noone does anything, the government has no incentive to keep their word and protect you, the private security firm won't be hired by anyone if they fuck over people

We are not talking about federal reserves though.

the fed is the american central bank lol
ever since the creation of the fed there were these boom and bust cycles, the money is devaluing, big corps get bailed out when they start failing and the wealth gap has been increasing

Court.... Judiciar branch of government.

"i can't imagine it being done by anyone else other than the government, so it HAS to be done by the government!"

As there are no instances of capitalism functioning without a government I am forced to do so.

medieval iceland, cospaia, the wild west, gaelic ireland

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

what if the thieves pay the government more? nestle is basically genociding niggers and noone does anything

I agree that big corporations are evil. No need to convince me of that, you are just preaching to the choir!

the government has no incentive to keep their word and protect you, the private security firm won't be hired by anyone if they fuck over people

Sure, the current government has little incentive to protect its people. That is why we need to chnage it.
As for your security firm, if they steal something really valuable then they will not need to steal anything more in their life. That is why in medieval Europe they shied away from mercenaries. After all they amongst other things lead to the fall of Rome.

ever since the creation of the fed there were these boom and bust cycles, the money is devaluing, big corps get bailed out when they start failing and the wealth gap has been increasing

Yes, those are very important issues. Though I do not see how the federal reserve has much to do with financial crashes, if anything unrestricted private economic speculation lead to the last few american crashes. The fed per definition can not go broke, private banks can and they did in 2008. All hail the invisible hand!

"i can't imagine it being done by anyone else other than the government, so it HAS to be done by the government!"

It needs to be done by someone who is not influenced by interest groups, otherwise you will have Nestle judges who will always do whatever is in the interests of Nestle. Of course modern day justice is not perfect, in fact it is worse than in recent history, but it would be a lot worse if a private enterpise were to do it for profit.

medieval iceland

The medieval Icelandic Commonwealth was not lawless, despite its unique political structure. It had a well-defined legal system, with laws recorded in the Grágás and administered through assemblies like the Althing, which functioned as a national legislative and judicial body. The society had a complex system of justice, including outlawry and financial compensation for crimes, and it was not characterized by an absence of law.
I'm not some sort of academic, but please be more rigorous when you are supposed to give a positive example of something. This is just not serving your purpose.

cospaia

The territory was approximately 1 square mile in size, with a population of around 250 people
So we are counting communes as instances of capitalism without government working? Cool. Then socialism worked for tens of thousands of years. Be serious my guy! You are insulting me with this "example" and most importantly you are proving that your are not here in good faith.

the wild west

Hmmm
I could swear that western territories, yet to be colonized, belonged to a certain country.... I can not put my finger on it though.
Oh well! Guess they would have been lawless were there not ranger and sheriffs there. Good thing that THE STATE provided stellers not only with land RIGHTS, but also enforced the rule of law over there. If anything everyone was using USD, even the outlaws.

Again, you are just insulting anyone who would read this. Are you underage or something? Because I can not imagine that any adult that has a even tangetial interest in history can claim that the wild west was lawless. All the indian wars, the land grants etc.

gaelic ireland

For most of its history, Gaelic Ireland was a "patchwork"[1] hierarchy of territories ruled by a hierarchy of kings or chiefs, who were chosen or elected through tanistry. Warfare between these territories was common. Traditionally, a powerful ruler was acknowledged as High King of Ireland.[a] Society was made up of clans and, like the rest of Europe, was structured hierarchically according to class. Throughout this period, the economy was mainly pastoral and money was generally not used.
Again, they did have governments, feudal ones, but governments nonetheless. You porbably heard these examples in a podcast or read them on /pol/ without actually looking into it.
It would be unfair to have a discussion with you in this context. Please read some more, structure your examples at the very least and then we will commence this discussion.

 

[erbatm259]

I agree that big corporations are evil. No need to convince me of that, you are just preaching to the choir!

my point is that you're saying that it's a flaw of capitalism and it happens in the status quo so that argument was worhtless

That is why we need to chnage it.

how would you make a state that has an incentive to protect you? unless you make taxes voluntary which means it's not really a state anymore they don't care about you

Though I do not see how the federal reserve has much to do with financial crashes,

not purely the fed but because of malinvestment and them just printing money whenever they feel like it the economy has to course correct from now and then

It needs to be done by someone who is not influenced by interest groups, otherwise you will have Nestle judges who will always do whatever is in the interests of Nestle.

again how would you do that

The medieval Icelandic Commonwealth was not lawless,

fucking retard this is why i'm telling you to read a book anarchism isn't when no law

The territory was approximately 1 square mile in size, with a population of around 250 people
So we are counting communes as instances of capitalism without government working? Cool. Then socialism worked for tens of thousands of years. Be serious my guy! You are insulting me with this "example" and most importantly you are proving that your are not here in good faith.

those communes, when they worked, were voluntary and on a small scale, them also being really miniscule economies means they don't run into the economic calculation problem as much because they can just outsource that to the slightly more capitalist countries they are near
capitalism doesn't have that problem, simply more size doesn't change anything

wild west

while technically under the rule of a state, practically the government didn't intervene at all, the cities were privately ran, the sheriffs weren't actually government instituted, the earliest cities appointed and hired their own sherrifs, later they were elected by the residents, not appointed by random pedos living of taxes

i don't know much about ireland i just saw it written somewhere and i'm lazy to look it up now i concede that one

 

[Zer0/∞]

That is a very Malthusian perspective, but you are correct. Under the current system of cuckpitalism in order to experience anothER boom we need anothER crash. That is why everyone is gearing up for war, in my opinion. Our leadERs know this and will engage in anothER culling as to not lose control over the tax cattle.

Ideally we should reject cuckpitalism and embrace something like socialism as to avoid another world war. But the chances of that are slim to none. Oh well, I plan on leaving this continent and encourage my brocels to do the same.

I can’t believe people think Malthus was wrong that overpopulation will kill us: we are causing the fastest extinction rate of species on Earth since the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. If the ecosystem goes under, so will we.

 

[Zer0/∞]

You’re right, rich people consume the most resources and if they shared them, the birth rates would go down so much faster and we wouldn’t have 8 billion people on Earth.

 

[DogWhistler]

Europe was overpopulated and stagnant much like India now, then once the bubonic plague killed 60% of the population, it had the greatest period of technological and social development in history. Maybe once the next virus or climate catastrophe that wipes half of us out, the surviving population will enjoy a much richer, greater standard of living.

Earth’s carrying capacity is only 2-4 billion and we’re well above it, the population needs to be stabilized back to equilibrium.

Why not just wipe all the latins, east/central asians and africans?

 

[Zer0/∞]

Why not just wipe all the latins, east/central asians and africans?

There’s too many of them now, you need population control

 

[NeverGetUp]

I hope everyone dies

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

fucking retard this is why i'm telling you to read a book anarchism isn't when no law

Nigger GrAY, if there was a fucking king and regional rulers then that implies teh existence of a fucking centralized government. Per definition that is not anarchist Stupid fuck! I have nothing to discuss with you any further. Do some research before pasting whatever bullshit you read on /pol/.

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

I can’t believe people think Malthus was wrong that overpopulation will kill us: we are causing the fastest extinction rate of species on Earth since the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. If the ecosystem goes under, so will we.

We are not contingent upon our econsystem though. In a world in which most people live in cities and almost all of our agriculture is industrial the diversity of species is no longER relevant to humanity.
Sure if you were to place some sort of importance on nature, then I guess that human overpopulation does destroy the environment. Though Malthus did not stipulate that, his claim was that we will starve because we produce food linearly and breed exponentially. Clearly he has not forseen industrial scale agriculture. And how could he? Case and point Malthus was wrong. Your concerns about species dying is anothet topic.

 

[Hoor Al-Ayn]

I can’t believe people think Malthus was wrong that overpopulation will kill us: we are causing the fastest extinction rate of species on Earth since the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. If the ecosystem goes under, so will we.

he was wrong, you think the world population will grow exponentially? of course not, population growth has been slowing down in fact.

 

[erbatm259]

Nigger GrAY, if there was a fucking king and regional rulers then that implies teh existence of a fucking centralized government. Per definition that is not anarchist Stupid fuck! I have nothing to discuss with you any further. Do some research before pasting whatever bullshit you read on /pol/.

omfg you are a retard i was obviously talking about the 400 years before that, how do you live with such retardation

 

[Zer0/∞]

he was wrong, you think the world population will grow exponentially? of course not, population growth has been slowing down in fact.

Our consumption has been growing exponentially

 

[Emba]

Whatever you say Santa

 

[zd60]

Whatever you say Santa

 

[Zer0/∞]

We are not contingent upon our econsystem though. In a world in which most people live in cities and almost all of our agriculture is industrial the diversity of species is no longER relevant to humanity.
Sure if you were to place some sort of importance on nature, then I guess that human overpopulation does destroy the environment. Though Malthus did not stipulate that, his claim was that we will starve because we produce food linearly and breed exponentially. Clearly he has not forseen industrial scale agriculture. And how could he? Case in point Malthus was wrong. Your concerns about species dying is anothet topic.

industrial agriculture is unsustainable, he will be proven right at the end of history when crops start failing due to the climate and top soil depletion

 

[autistic.goblin]

That's a Jewish thing to say

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

industrial agriculture is unsustainable, he will be proven right at the end of history when crops start failing due to the climate and top soil depletion

Ugh, I do not know what you know about agriculture, but to avoid soil delpetion farmERs put all sorts of nutrients back into the soil. If you want to get really blackpilled search up biosolids. We literally recycle our human shit and spray it for fertility reasons onto our fields. It is basically a closed loop, very little gets lost and the amount of chemical fertilizER that we have just eliminates any risk. We literally pull nitrogen out of the atmosphere..... It will nevER run out.

Unless some sort of global Carrington Event happens, which it will not due to the circular nature of the earth, our food system will be stable.

 

[four1298]

Earth’s carrying capacity is only 2-4 billion and we’re well above it, the population needs to be stabilized back to equilibrium

.is/threads/why-we-need-skyscrapers.769177
I debunked this in this thread. The US has room for trillions of people.