Marxism #8 Use Value and Exchange Value

[Caesercel]

The idea here is to analyse how we "value" things, especially commodities, and how we assign them a "worth".

Use Value means the value that is projected on a commodity by the virtue that it is useful and fulfills a purpose. A PS5 maybe useful to you because you can use it for gaming so it's valuable to you in that regard. An apple might be useful to me because I can eat it and also like it's taste, so I value apples in my life. One can immediately see that this is kind of subjective and contingent on someone's needs as one man's trash is another man's gold. A PS5 might be useful to someone who games but still useless to someone else who doesn't have time for that or doesn't like gaming.

BUT, if you gift the second type of person a PS5 or if he wins it in a giveaway, he might actually keep it despite not being a gamer. Why? He may not game but he can, say, gift it to his cousin who may find use for it. Or sell it on the market. The bottom line is that it is useful to atleast someone and by that virtue it has value, even to an owner who may never use it. This value is born entirely out of the social nature of the commodity, the mere fact that you can gift or exchange it. Owing to this social nature, this value drapes on a cloak of objectivity. (Kind of like how looks are fundamentally subjective but socially acceptable beauty standards can make it seem objective.) Even non gamers have an estimation that a PS5 is a considerably valuable thing. (relatively)

A market is one such social setting. Therefore Exchange Value is the value of a commodity that exists at the point of exchange in the market when that commodity changes hands. It's a fundamentally social phenomena. It's the concept on whose foundation we can make statements like, "I can exchange a PS5 for X number of ceramic coffee cups"

But where does this value come from? What exactly is being evaluated here? By what virtue or metric (beyond subjective usefulness) can we decide that a PS5 is more valuable than a ceramic coffee cup?

 

[Roastie Crusher]

Is this ai response useful:

The question you're building toward—what grounds exchange value—is exactly where classical economics fractured. Marx answered "socially necessary labor time," but within a decade of Capital, the marginalist revolution (Menger, Jevons, Walras—all independently, almost simultaneously in the 1870s) offered a competing answer: value is subjective all the way down, it's just that markets aggregate millions of subjective preferences into prices that feel objective.

The diamond-water paradox that haunted Adam Smith gets resolved not by labor inputs but by marginal utility—water is abundant so each additional unit is worth little, diamonds scarce so each unit commands more. What's strange is both frameworks describe the same phenomena but imply radically different politics: if value is labor, then profit is extraction; if value is subjective preference, then exchange is mutual benefit.

The theory you accept isn't just academic—it quietly shapes whether you see markets as exploitative or liberating. Most people hold both intuitions simultaneously without realizing they're contradictory

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Ok but will Marxism get rid of all the niggers, Muslims, and Jews? If not it can fuck off

 

[Roastie Crusher]

Ok but will Marxism get rid of all the niggers, Muslims, and Jews? If not it can fuck off

Do you really want to be left with "your" race? Good luck controlling a mono identity that will eventually need a human sacrifice.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Do you really want to be left with "your" race? Good luck controlling a mono identity that will eventually need a human sacrifice.

Are you fucking stupid? What do you think I want to live around? A bunch of niggers who want to stab me and Muslims who want to rape my little brother to death? Fuck off!

 

[Roastie Crusher]

Are you fucking stupid? What do you think I want to live around? A bunch of niggers who want to stab me and Muslims who want to rape my little brother to death? Fuck off!

I grew up around a community that was hyper religious and 95 percent white. Who got bullied and ignored? Ugly autistic white guys.

Do you think white southerners brought niggers for the cheap labor? lol. They did it to cuck the white race. The niggers are their scapegoat.

Are you a jeet?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

I grew up around a community that was hyper religious and 95 percent white. Who got bullied and ignored? Ugly autistic white guys.

Oh yeah bro you would've been a lot better off in a 95% nigger school. It's not like I saw twenty videos yesterday of entire gangs of blacks teaming up and beating or stabbing white autist in school for the crime of being white. Come the fuck on retard, you have to know niggers would've been WAY worse than whatever the whites did to you (you're still alive)

Do you think white southerners brought niggers for the cheap labor? lol. They did it to cuck the white race. The niggers are their scapegoat.

They were brought to America by Jews who owned the slave ships and plantations, whites supported slavery because they thought the blacks were poor and stupid and needed to be taken care of like pets.

Are you a jeet?

I'm a real ass white nigga who doesn't want to get stabbed by a nigger

 

[Caesercel]

Is this ai response useful:

The question you're building toward—what grounds exchange value—is exactly where classical economics fractured. Marx answered "socially necessary labor time," but within a decade of Capital, the marginalist revolution (Menger, Jevons, Walras—all independently, almost simultaneously in the 1870s) offered a competing answer: value is subjective all the way down, it's just that markets aggregate millions of subjective preferences into prices that feel objective.

The diamond-water paradox that haunted Adam Smith gets resolved not by labor inputs but by marginal utility—water is abundant so each additional unit is worth little, diamonds scarce so each unit commands more. What's strange is both frameworks describe the same phenomena but imply radically different politics: if value is labor, then profit is extraction; if value is subjective preference, then exchange is mutual benefit.

The theory you accept isn't just academic—it quietly shapes whether you see markets as exploitative or liberating. Most people hold both intuitions simultaneously without realizing they're contradictory

I will tackle subject theory of value and it's absurdity in a later post (though I have left some hints in this post itself if one reads carefully) Suffice to say now , it's a fiction that Capitalist economists tell themselves to deny the implications that I'll discuss soon.

Ok but will Marxism get rid of all the niggers, Muslims, and Jews? If not it can fuck off

That's not a worthwhile goal

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

That's not a worthwhile goal

Oh I didn't realize white people being stabbed raped and robbed didn't matter okay we will fix some other problem like brown people not getting infinite free stuff

 

[Caesercel]

Oh I didn't realize white people being stabbed raped and robbed

That wouldn't be contingent on other social groups since white people can and will do that to each other.

fix some other problem like brown people not getting infinite free stuff

That really depends on the individual. A brown immigrant on welfare maybe getting free stuff. But brown people, as a whole group, (since you have already chosen to define them as a monolith, we'll go with that) on a global level, get less stuff than they produce. If anything, it's non-brown people (however you wanna define that) who are getting the free stuff, over all speaking

But how? That's what the question of Exchange Value deals with. Stay tuned for the next post.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

That wouldn't be contingent on other social groups since white people can and will do that to each other.

At much lower rates. For example blacks are over 70% of gun violence in New York and over 60% of stabbings in London (this is even with many black criminals being labeled as white to sleep statistics at least in the USA). Blacks are objectively dumber and more violent, plus they hate white people. We would be better if they weren't here and that's basically underrated. The only argument is to feel bad for them which I don't.

A brown immigrant on welfare maybe getting free stuff. But brown people, as a whole group, (since you have already chosen to define them as a monolith, we'll go with that) on a global level, get less stuff than they produce. If anything, it's non-brown people (however you wanna define that) who are getting the free stuff, over all speakong

They literally just collect more in taxes then they pay it's that simple. Hispanics and blacks in the USA as well as rapefugees in Europe. They are taking from whites pockets

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

But how? That's what the question of Exchange Value deals with. Stay tuned for the next post.

Why not make a post about how black on white crime is over 20x higher than white on black? Seems like niggers are the most immediate threat to white people's lives, not any other bs leftist yap about

 

[Caesercel]

At much lower rates. For example blacks are over 70% of gun violence in New York and over 60% of stabbings in London (this is even with many black criminals being labeled as white to sleep statistics at least in the USA).

They are also the most economically and socially suppressed group in those countries. Maybe that has got something to do with that.

. Blacks are objectively dumber and more violent, plus they hate white people. We would be better if they weren't here and that's basically underrated. The only argument is to feel bad for them which I don't.

You know, I can barely hold back the urge to make a snarky comment about who got them into US in the first place. But that aside, let's analyse this because why not.

Blacks make 14% of the US population. Is it even possible for the economic and material conditions that allow for lower white crime rates , to keep on existing in a world where 14% of US population disappears overnight? I mean, that's a good chunky portion of US economy just going poof, right? Not in terms of sum total of suppressed black wages of course but the actual output produced.

So the first and immediately obvious consequence is that US will become objectively poorer. And no, "less mouths to feed" won't compensate for that because of the nature of unequal exchange for working classes, (something I am supposed to cover in the follow up to this thread). And presuming most black people are working class, the loss to economy would be greater than the money saved anyway because of aforementioned reasons.

Not that saving that money was a desirable goal in the first place because loss of all that consumption will lead to a market capital flow crises. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the American Capitalist class implode from within because some guy on /pol/ thought sending 14% of US population to Africa was a good idea.

But let's forget about all of this and imagine a fantasy world where the US can shake a magic wand and replace the black population with as many white people. Now the status quo as it exists for the older 70% whites can only be maintained if these newly minted whites are treated just like blacks were treated. And that imo will lead to the same gun violence etc. that plagues the country. I don't think a pale skin can fix the problems born of systematic injustices. Is the presumption that new magic white people will simply accept poverty and ghetto life non-violently? Even the Italian immigrants went mafia and they weren't even as poor as the blacks.

Or the status quo may decide to treat their new race compatriots better than the ones who were replaced. But then the status quo wouldn't be the status quo anymore. Either way white people are getting per capita poorer no matter how you cut it unless the new 14% whites become a social underclass like blacks. Would this dismantling of the status quo fix violent crime? I'm not sure honestly.

But presuming it does, (which makes sense) why not cut the middle man and all the fantasy nonsense and just treat black people better? Treat them how the imagined new white compatriots would've been treated. Let the rich and ultra rich (mostly white) class shed some of their wealth so that the poorest can live a little better.

They literally just collect more in taxes then they pay it's that simple. Hispanics and blacks in the USA as well as rapefugees in Europe. They are taking from whites pockets

The conclusion here does not follow from the premise. Hispanics and blacks can pay less taxes and even recieve more welfare but it wouldn't matter in a world where their combined economic output of work exceeds all of those wages + welfare. Of course you won't see it that way because for you that output now belongs to the business and the taxes are written off in the business' name. As I said before, if anything it is the white people, especially the big businesses giants who are stealing from the minorities. THIS is the fundamental problem Marx is trying to get at (without the race angle of course)

And don't be mistaken. All these minorities and immigrants wouldn't even exist if the final purpose wasn't to extract economic output from their work, say $100 and then pay them $20 in wages and $20 in welfare. Keeping the $60 for yourself so that a white man can live his white luxurious suburban life off of it. White people WILL genocide/massacre/kick out any minority group they deem not unnecessary or a hindrance to their economy. The fact that they don't should tell you something about who is actually benefitting from the system.

Why not make a post about how black on white crime is over 20x higher than white on black?

That's just a statistical sliegh of hand, isn't it? Even if black and white people committed crime at a similar rate (which they don't) , there would still be more white victims given the demographics. Of course more white people die of criminal violence, there simply are more white people.

 

[IWWorkER]

They are also the most economically and socially suppressed group in those countries. Maybe that has got something to do with that.

I already answered that in one of your previous marxist rant. Its false. Rich black people are more violent than poor white people. It's because of biology. It's wild we have to tell you that on a blackpill forum.

 

[IWWorkER]

Blacks make 14% of the US population. Is it even possible for the economic and material conditions that allow for lower white crime rates , to keep on existing in a world where 14% of US population disappears overnight? I mean, that's a good chunky portion of US economy just going poof, right? Not in terms of sum total of suppressed black wages of course but the actual output produced.

You are delusional. If all black people disappeared the US would enter a new golden age.

 

[IWWorkER]

But brown people, as a whole group, (since you have already chosen to define them as a monolith, we'll go with that) on a global level, get less stuff than they produce. If anything, it's non-brown people (however you wanna define that) who are getting the free stuff, over all speaking

 

[IWWorkER]

But presuming it does, (which makes sense) why not cut the middle man and all the fantasy nonsense and just treat black people better?

We dont mistreat black people, they mistreat us.

Treat them how the imagined new white compatriots would've been treated. Let the rich and ultra rich (mostly white) class shed some of their wealth so that the poorest can live a little better.

You think the solution to black crime is to give them even more money ?
Poor white people dont comit nearly as much crime, so money was never the problem.

 

[Caesercel]

. It's because of biology. It's wild we have to tell you that on a blackpill forum.

It's funny how this ass backwards logic works. Instead of pointing out the biological mechanism that actually leads to violent tendencies amongst humans and then work on that. They take violent crime statistics in current socioeconomic zeitgeist and just work backwards from it towards a biological cause that they themselves cannot define. Pure essentialist nonsense.

The entire field of evolutionary psychology is rife with these "just so" stories. "Foids love big jaws because it signals ability to crush nuts"

You are delusional. If all black people disappeared the US would enter a new golden age.

I mean that's a pretty subjective term. If becoming objectively poorer and tanking the economy is one's idea of a golden age then who am I to say otherwise.

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The conclusion here does not follow from the premise. Hispanics and blacks can pay less taxes and even recieve more welfare but it wouldn't matter in a world where their combined economic output of work exceeds all of those wages + welfare. Of course you won't see it that way because for you that output now belongs to the business and the taxes are written off in the business' name. As I said before, if anything it is the white people, especially the big businesses giants who are stealing from the minorities. THIS is the fundamental problem Marx is trying to get at (without the race angle of course)

And don't be mistaken. All these minorities and immigrants wouldn't even exist if the final purpose wasn't to extract economic output from their work, say $100 and then pay them $20 in wages and $20 in welfare. Keeping the $60 for yourself so that a white man can live his white luxurious suburban life off of it. White people WILL genocide/massacre/kick out any minority group they deem not unnecessary or a hindrance to their economy. The fact that they don't should tell you something about who is actually benefitting from the system.

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We dont mistreat black people, they mistreat us.

The entirety of US history is one big, "what new horrors beyond human comprehension can we inflict on black people today".

You think the solution to black crime is to give them even more money ?
Poor white people dont comit nearly as much crime, so money was never the problem.

It's not just about money but money itself plays an important factor. Economic class, social class and culture all play into each other. But then again, I find your claim patently absurd to begin with.

 

[IWWorkER]

current socioeconomic

Which is ? Again, rich black people are more violent than poor white people. You cant blame economic factors. As for culture, are black people not responsible for their own culture ?

Instead of pointing out the biological mechanism that actually leads to violent tendencies amongst humans and then work on that

I'm almost certain that has been done already.
Something about high estrogen make them very emotional, like foids.

The entirety of US history is one big, "what new horrors beyond human comprehension can we inflict on black people today".

"My great grandpa was mistreated therefore Im mistreated"
"My great granma couldn't vote therefore le patriarchy"

If becoming objectively poorer and tanking the economy is one's idea of a golden age then who am I to say otherwise.

Can you point out what exactly do niggers produce that is so essential and that white people cant do that would make the US collapse if they left ?

 

[Caesercel]

Which is ? Again, rich black people are more violent than poor white people. cant blame economic factors.

Not really. We can absolutely blame economic factors as they are prime motivators of crime. As for violence itself, criminal or otherwise , I don't think for an instance that black people can even hold a candle to white people or some other races, so there's that.

As for culture, are black people not responsible for their own culture ?

One can make argument here that no one is responsible for their cultures because these things are bigger than any of us and determined by factors outside of anyone's immediate control. It's easy to talk about cultural responsibility while sitting in a suburban ivory tower consuming more energy and commodities per capita than the rest of the world. Having the luxury to live the "American dream" while working as a firefighter or plumber while people doing the same work elsewhere are relegated to a life in single room 10X10 slums. Or just not having to live in ghettos or projects in US itself.

As for black Americans, their original culture doesn't even exist anymore as they were stripped off it. And the only thing left is entirely born out of their specific position in the American Capitalist system.

I'm almost certain that has been done already.
Something about high estrogen make them very emotional, like foids.

JFL. The implications. I guess feminists were right all along and manhood is the real problem

"My great grandpa was mistreated therefore Im mistreated"

I mean does the American system not mistreat modern blacks? I for one find it hard to believe that old attitudes have died out. I don't buy that the system treats a black person the same way it treats a white person. From job hiring to criminal sentences (for the same crime). The fact that they are classified as a different "people" to begin with tells me that black people haven't really become "one of us" in the white eye.

And even if we believed that everyone suddenly became an anti-racist today, singing kumbayah and black people and white people are treated as the same thing only with different melanin content. That still wouldn't erase black people's current economic position that is entirely born from this history of mistreatment that preceeded this fantasy mental switch.

Can you point out what exactly do niggers produce that is so essential and that white people cant do that would make the US collapse if they left ?

Why is that exercise left to me? Do your own research. Knock on a black family's door and ask how their members are employed.

 

[IWWorkER]

It's easy to talk about cultural responsibility while sitting in a suburban ivory tower consuming more energy and commodities per capita than the rest of the world. Having the luxury to live the "American dream" while working as a firefighter or plumber while people doing the same work elsewhere are relegated to a life in single room 10X10 slums

I don't do that though. I'm not american, I'm poor and on minimum wage too.
As for consuming more per capita, I also don't do that, but that a stupid claim, maybe thirdworlders should have less children ?

 

[IWWorkER]

I guess feminists were right

From a marxist I didn't expected any better.

manhood is the real problem

How so ? I just said estrogen cause violence.

 

[IWWorkER]

does the American system not mistreat modern blacks?

No. Not at all. I don't know where you got that.

 

[IWWorkER]

I don't buy that the system treats a black person the same way it treats a white person.

Indeed, they are treated better.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

They are also the most economically and socially suppressed group in those countries. Maybe that has got something to do with that.

There are more white people in poverty than blacks in poverty in America, so if poverty was purely the cause, majority of violent crime should be white people. Is isn't.

On top of this, wealthy blacks are more violent than poor whites. It's no socioeconomics.

You know, I can barely hold back the urge to make a snarky comment about who got them into US in the first place. But that aside, let's analyse this because why not

Jews brought them because Jews owned the slave ships and the original plantations, not whites. There's a lot of evidence for this but I won't post it here unless requested because it's too much to fit.

Blacks make 14% of the US population. Is it even possible for the economic and material conditions that allow for lower white crime rates , to keep on existing in a world where 14% of US population disappears overnight? I mean, that's a good chunky portion of US economy just going poof, right? Not in terms of sum total of suppressed black wages of course but the actual output produced.

It is not "economic and material conditions" that make white people not retarded niggers btw, we have a lower violent crime rate because white people are not violent people genetically.

Now the status quo as it exists for the older 70% whites can only be maintained if these newly minted whites are treated just like blacks were treated. And that imo will lead to the same gun violence etc. that plagues the country. I don't think a pale skin can fix the problems born of systematic injustices. Is the presumption that new magic white people will simply accept poverty and ghetto life non-violently?

The whites wouldn't be poor because they would simply not be low IQ welfare queens, they'd get fucking jobs. And yes actually even if they somehow stayed poor they'd commit less crime and be more intelligent and pleasant to be around because they don't have violent nigger genetics.

treat black people better?

We already have. We have given them trillions of dollars in free shit from white people's hands and let them get away with burning and looting our cities. They are stupid monkeys.

Now to back up everything I was saying about blacks being naturally stupid fucking niggers who stab people for no reason:

First we need to understand for example that races have different natural intelligence, on average. For example niggers are dumber than whites because they have smaller brain regions and less brain matter than whites even when of the same economic/social/mental health background. You can point to an individual nigger who is smarter than an individual white but that's like pointing out a specific female who's stronger than a man, racism and sexism exist because of the natural genetically caused averages not the exceptions.

Niggers have naturally lower IQs

Even wealthy niggers have lower scores than whites of poor background, only the highest class niggers get scores barely above the poorest whites

They are also more violent on average, or I should say a nigger is more likely to be violent on average than a white person because of genetics.

So if we accept that niggers are on average stupider and more violent, it would be a good policy of any country to simply have mass deportations and be racist to stop the rampant violence niggers are committing. In New York they are over 70% of all gun violence and in London they are over 60% of stabbings, so this is a global issue not an American only one. It would be GOOD POLICY for white peoples sake to simply deport them all or at least most of them

 

[IWWorkER]

Why is that exercise left to me?

Because you made the claim.

Knock on a black family's door and ask how their members are employed.

Lots of them leech of welfare while I break my back on construction sites to finance their welfare. I rarely ever see any nigger on the work sites, despite them being a big part of my country's population.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

The entirety of US history is one big, "what new horrors beyond human comprehension can we inflict on black people today".

Yeah man so true

You can say these are just random cases and blah blah blah. But if I pull up the statistics it'll be the fucking same. Niggers commit all the murders and most interracial crime is black on white by far.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

socially suppressed group in those countries.

Oh wow I know right being able to commit crimes and walk free in little to no time is so suppressed I really feel bad for them

 

[Caesercel]

There are more white people in poverty than blacks in poverty in America, so if poverty was purely the cause, majority of violent crime should be white people. Is isn't.
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On top of this, wealthy blacks are more violent than poor whites. It's no socioeconomics.
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Ah memeographics. The bedrock of misinformation, confirmation bias and cherry picking. No race argument is complete without these, ain't it?

You know what? Why should I have to waste my time trying to actually find and read these articles when the people who post these never bother to do so in the first place. But since you posted them I'll give you the opportunity to link the actual articles so that we can see the meta analysis, the methods and context of this research. And if possible you may look for competing articles that try to replicate the study that are a little more recent.

Prove to me that this is not an exercise in picking up a bunch of jpgs from a chan website because they appealed to a pre-existing bias and saving them in a folder right besides the one with WMAF porn

Jews brought them because Jews owned the slave ships and the original plantations, not whites. There's a lot of evidence for this but I won't post it here unless requested because it's too much to fit.

Lol what? See, this is what happens when a worldview is build on bullshit and one can do nothing but pile more bullshit over it until it's bullshit all the way down like the turtles.

I mean I get the impetus for the sheer delusion. If white people brought in black slaves in the first place and were quite happy with their presence. And now some of them whites advocate for "sending them back" (whatever that means considering all of them were born in the US and none of them have pure African lineage or any connection to their ancestor's continent and culture), after they have gained freedom from slavery and civil rights. To an outsider it looks like you want them gone BECAUSE they are now equal to you, or at least demand that equality.

That's not a good look now, is it? Like, "why are those gosh darn slaves not slaving anymore , goshdarnit send them back"

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>number of employees will decrease by 1.4%

Imagine the smell of the basement of whoever typed this.

Let's see what else is there. So black people are disproportionately affected by prison sentences, poverty and STDs? It's almost like a BLM supporter made this to prove their point lmao.

, we have a lower violent crime rate because white people are not violent people genetically.

Pfft hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Wait you are serious HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The whites wouldn't be poor because they would simply not be low IQ welfare queens they'd get fucking jobs.

What kind of backward logic is this? People are not poor because they get welfare, they get welfare because they are poor. "Getting jobs" doesn't solve that either because black people have jobs. Unless the status quo white people shed some of their privelage, the new 14% of whites will end up in the same economic bracket as blacks.

And yes actually even if they somehow stayed poor they'd commit less crime and be more intelligent and pleasant to be around because they don't have violent nigger genetics.

Are these "violent nigger genetics" in the room with us right now?

We already have. We have given them trillions of dollars in free shit from white people's hands and let them get away with burning and looting our cities. They are stupid monkeys.
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As commendable as these welfare efforts are, the only thing you are proving is that black people are disproportionately affected by poverty and that's why they are disproportionate recipients of welfare. Which shows me that no, black people are not treated right in America. And they are not getting it from "white people's hands". America is THEIR country, the public money belongs to them and they are only getting what they are OWED. In fact they are getting LESS than what they are owed and that is true for poor working class in general. Something that I'll prove in the next couple of posts on Marxism.

For example niggers are dumber than whites because they have smaller brain regions

Phrenology as a field has been long debunked as pseudoscience.

less brain matter than whites even when of the same economic/social/mental health background.

You know what? This deserves it's own fucking thread. And I'm sure the rest of the racial memeographics follow a similar pattern of disingenuity.

I don't even have to debunk this one about pituatary gland development because this youtube video does it for me.



starting from 16:30. In fact watch the whole video.

So if we accept that niggers are on average stupider and more violent, it would be a good policy of any country to simply have mass deportations and be racist to stop the rampant violence niggers are committing. In New York they are over 70% of all gun violence and in London they are over 60% of stabbings, so this is a global issue not an American only one. It would be GOOD POLICY for white peoples sake to simply deport them all or at least most of them

No. We don't need to accept any nonsense of such sort. Especially not based on such shoddy evidence. And it is never good policy to deport entire working populations. The meta is that if black people really were an overall irredemeable burden then your overlords would've gotten rid of them by now already. They sure had no trouble massacring Injun women and children to empty their lands, when those people did not fit into the system. Also deport where? Their country's of origin are the only homes they know.

And this policy conclusion does not even follow from the imagined problem. If the issue here is crime then deportation should be standard punishment policy instead of imprisonment. Why does race factor in at all?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Ah memeographics. The bedrock of misinformation, confirmation bias and cherry picking. No race argument is complete without these, ain't it?

You know what? Why should I have to waste my time trying to actually find and read these articles when the people who post these never bother to do so in the first place. But since you posted them I'll give you the opportunity to link the actual articles so that we can see the meta analysis, the methods and context of this research. And if possible you may look for competing articles that try to replicate the study that are a little more recent.

Prove to me that this is not an exercise in picking up a bunch of jpgs from a chan website because they appealed to a pre-existing bias and saving them in a folder right besides the one with WMAF porn


Lol what? See, this is what happens when a worldview is build on bullshit and one can do nothing but pile more bullshit over it until it's bullshit all the way down like the turtles.

I mean I get the impetus for the sheer delusion. If white people brought in black slaves in the first place and were quite happy with their presence. And now some of them whites advocate for "sending them back" (whatever that means considering all of them were born in the US and none of them have pure African lineage or any connection to their ancestor's continent and culture), after they have gained freedom from slavery and civil rights. To an outsider it looks like you want them gone BECAUSE they are now equal to you, or at least demand that equality.

That's not a good look now, is it? Like, "why are those gosh darn slaves not slaving anymore , goshdarnit send them back"

>number of employees will decrease by 1.4%

Imagine the smell of the basement of whoever typed this.

Let's see what else is there. So black people are disproportionately affected by prison sentences, poverty and STDs? It's almost like a BLM supporter made this to prove their point lmao.


Pfft hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Wait you are serious HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


What kind of backward logic is this? People are not poor because they get welfare, they get welfare because they are poor. "Getting jobs" doesn't solve that either because black people have jobs. Unless the status quo white people shed some of their privelage, the new 14% of whites will end up in the same economic bracket as blacks.

Are these "violent nigger genetics" in the room with us right now?





As commendable as these welfare efforts are, the only thing you are proving is that black people are disproportionately affected by poverty and that's why they are disproportionate recipients of welfare. Which shows me that no, black people are not treated right in America. And they are not getting it from "white people's hands". America is THEIR country, the public money belongs to them and they are only getting what they are OWED. In fact they are getting LESS than what they are owed and that is true for poor working class in general. Something that I'll prove in the next couple of posts on Marxism.



Phrenology as a field has been long debunked as pseudoscience.



You know what? This deserves it's own fucking thread. And I'm sure the rest of the racial memeographics follow a similar pattern of disingenuity.



I don't even have to debunk this one about pituatary gland development because this youtube video does it for me.



starting from 16:30. In fact watch the whole video.


No. We don't need to accept any nonsense of such sort. Especially not based on such shoddy evidence. And it is never good policy to deport entire working populations. The meta is that if black people really were an overall irredemeable burden then your overlords would've gotten rid of them by now already. They sure had no trouble massacring Injun women and children to empty their lands, when those people did not fit into the system. Also deport where? Their country's of origin are the only homes they know.

And this policy conclusion does not even follow from the imagined problem. If the issue here is crime then deportation should be standard punishment policy instead of imprisonment. Why does race factor in at all?

Im going to say blah blah blah you are a faggot because throughout all of this you didn't offer one rebuttal/explanation as to why niggers are murdering and robbing everyone even when they are richer than whites. Because there really isn't one, other than that they are dumb apes who should be sent back to nggerland. You are a CUCK or a nigger yourself I presume.

 

[Caesercel]

why niggers are murdering and robbing everyone even when they are richer than whites.

You are incapable of categorically proving this (and jeez no need to be so nasty, it's just a discussion)

 

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You are incapable of categorically proving this (and jeez no need to be so nasty, it's just a discussion)

It's proven by the fact every retarded obnoxious piece of shit who wants to rob and stab people is a nigger and they all get free shit on welfare. It's drained trillions of dollars of taxpayer money and they should just go back to fucking Africa along with all their cuck slaves like you commies

 

[Caesercel]

the fact every retarded obnoxious piece of shit who wants to rob and stab people is a nigger and they all get free shit on welfare.

You can't categorically prove that either. AT BEST you can show that in the current socio-economic zeitgeist specific to SOME western nations, black people commit violent crimes at a higher rate than white people (comparing the criminals in both populations of course not the average person). And you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT prove that this is caused by some essentialist element inherent to the people you have labelled as "black" (genetics or dark spirit or whatever other flavour of nonsense argument you may use)

It's drained trillions of dollars of taxpayer money

Money that belongs to them in the first place.

they should just go back to fucking Africa along with all their cuck slaves like you commies

Getting angry won't make you any less wrong.

 

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You can't categorically prove that either. AT BEST you can show that in the current socio-economic zeitgeist specific to SOME western nations, black people commit violent crimes at a higher rate than white people (comparing the criminals in both populations of course not the average person). And you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT prove that this is caused by some essentialist element inherent to the people you have labelled as "black" (genetics or dark spirit or whatever other flavour of nonsense argument you may use)

Fags like you could have your little brother raped by a Muslim, your father's head cut off by a Somalian, and your own life savings stolen by some stupid nigger, and you would STILL defend them with "muh socioeconomic". Just admit you are a cuck it's okay, you don't have to come up with these long winded bullshit soy reddit tier posts about how "actually that's heckin uneducated racism and it's okay for blacks to rape and murder people cause they're poor!" Even though poor whites don't do that shit. Do us all a favor and go live with the niggers in Africa

 

[Caesercel]

Fags like you could have your little brother raped by a Muslim, your father's head cut off by a Somalian, and your own life savings stolen by some stupid nigger, and you would STILL defend them with "muh socioeconomic". Just admit you are a cuck it's okay, you don't have to come up with these long winded bullshit soy reddit tier posts about how "actually that's heckin uneducated racism and it's okay for blacks to rape and murder people cause they're poor!" Even though poor whites don't do that shit. Do us all a favor and go live with the niggers in Africa

I never argued though that socio economic factors justify crime. Only that they explain the existence of crime (to a certain degree).