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Marxism #2 Dialectic

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Reference to my previous post : https://incels.is/threads/marxism-1-historical-materialism.813089/

In oversimplified terms, dialectic is the concept wherein when you analyse something you may come across a binary, i.e. two things which may be concepts, ideas, material observations or something else which are in direct logical contradiction with each other because they negate each other. (Kind of like how "this apple is red" and "this apple is not red" cannot be true at the same time.) And because of this contradiction their coexistence is paradoxical. Yet they co-exist. This situation ultimately calls for something new, a different lens of looking at things or a paradigm shift, which would result in the reconciliation of the contradiction making the co-existence of the binaries plausible.

For example- the concepts of freedom and laws directly contradict each other. It's a fact that people have freedom to do whatever they want. Society can give consequences after the fact but no one can actually stop you. And most people are aware of this on some level. But it's also true that we follow laws imposed on us by figures whom we believe to be our authorities (say a King) and hence, despite having the capability to exercise complete free will and the knowledge of that capability, we can't because of our belief in authority.

This obvious contradiction is then reconciled when man becomes self governing. This means that instead of letting laws be imposed by an outside authority (and overstepping on his freedom), the man lays down his own laws, and chooses to follow them through his own free will. And thus the contradiction between freedom and laws is reconciled. This new man transforms from a "subject" to a "citizen". And in the real world this mind shift leads to the abolition of monarchies and establishment of republics/democracies.
 
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Monarchy is better than democracy.

 
Why do you think so?
I believe democracy is oppression of the minority by the majority.
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Monarchy is better than democracy.

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"However doomed a man may be, he still has the freedom of thought that can carry him over the past and the future, the attribute that cannot be taken away by tyrant or circumstance."
- Dmitri Volkogonov
 
then its not an democracy anymore.
How not, if two people vote to hang a guy, then in a democracy the guy gets hanged.
That's the very definition of democracy.
 
In a monarchy a single person (the minority) oppresses the majority too
No he fucking doesn't oppress anybody because being a king is extremely risky to begin with, at the very least.
 
How not, if two people vote to hang a guy, then in a democracy the guy gets hanged.
That's the very definition of democracy.
the democratic process cannot take the rights of the minority. obviously.
if two people vote to hang an guy, they take his right to democratic processes obviously.
 
How not, if two people vote to hang a guy, then in a democracy the guy gets hanged.
That's the very definition of democracy.
In monarchy the king can decide to hang both guys
 
No he fucking doesn't oppress anybody because being a king is extremely risky to begin with, at the very least.
"So far as he is able, a Prince should stick to the path of good but, if the necessity arises, he should know how to follow evil."
- Niccolo Machiavelli
 
the democratic process cannot take the rights of the minority. obviously.
if two people vote to hang an guy, they take his right to democratic processes obviously.
You saying it's obvious doesn't somehow make it true. He participated in the vote, but was outnumbered.
 
"So far as he is able, a Prince should stick to the path of good but, if the necessity arises, he should know how to follow evil."
- Niccolo Machiavelli
The Prince has been refuted. Read 'The Politics of Obedience'.
 
The Prince has been refuted. Read 'The Politics Of Obedience'.
by who? its an renowned piece of literature and an good political treatise. refutation doesn't mean shit.
 
No he fucking doesn't oppress anybody because being a king is extremely risky to begin with, at the very least.
Sure when in history did we have a monarch who opresses his people, a democratic leader cant do what he wants too, he can be loose his position by election
 
You saying it's obvious doesn't somehow make it true. He participated in the vote, but was outnumbered.
chat they take away his right to vote in future processes and exclude him on the democratic process by virtue of being dead. so they are taking his right to vote.
 
Sure when in history did we have a monarch who opresses his people, a democratic leader cant do what he wants too, he can be loose his position by election
and extractive economic and political institutions only centralize money and power for themselves and not for the people.
 
chat they take away his right to vote in future processes and exclude him on the democratic process by virtue of being dead. so they are taking his right to vote.
Ok so they steal his body to use it as a slave and they put his brain in a jar where all he can do for the rest of eternity is vote
 
And get shot in retaliation, since he would be aggressing upon those people.
If in a democracy a voted goverment starts to massarcing his people they get thrown over too or a new goverment is voted
 
and extractive economic and political institutions only centralize money and power for themselves and not for the people.
Monarchy is the opposite of extractive economy.
 
and extractive economic and political institutions only centralize money and power for themselves and not for the people.
And monarchs do the same they centralize economic power for themselve and the nobility
 
Monarchy is the opposite of extractive economy.
Its not. The king and his inner circle secure rights and systems for themselves, and distribute power and economy towards them. Read: Why Nations Fail by Daron Acemoglu.
 
If in a democracy a voted goverment starts to massarcing his people they get thrown over too or a new goverment is voted
Bro. There is only two parties that realistically win in the USA and they are both shit
 
Ok so they steal his body to use it as a slave and they put his brain in a jar where all he can do for the rest of eternity is vote
rights under an stateless democratic system(inherent):
1 - Freedom to Assembly and Freedom of Speech
2 - Natural Rights(as theorized by john locke)
3 - Equality and Non-Discrimination
4 - Association and Assembly
5 - Property
without any of these
its certainly not an democracy.
and i think one or more of them are being violated here.
 
Its not. The king and his inner circle secure rights and systems for themselves, and distribute power and economy towards them. Read: Why Nations Fail by Daron Acemoglu.
The name of that book is oxymoronic as it promotes a state to 'create inclusive institutions'. Only good for wiping your ass or keeping warm.
 
Bro. There is only two parties that realistically win in the USA and they are both shit
thats cuz they are big tent parties and represent an wide variety of opinions. if one fails, the other gets in. obv
 
rights under an stateless democratic system(inherent):
1 - Freedom to Assembly and Freedom of Speech
2 - Natural Rights(as theorized by john locke)
3 - Equality and Non-Discrimination
4 - Association and Assembly
5 - Property
without any of these
its certainly not an democracy.
and i think one or more of them are being violated here.
Stateless democracy what are you even talking about?
Equality in a stateless system?
I agree with freedom of association obviously but... hate to break it to you, that contradicts point 3 entirely, the non-discrimination...
 
Bro. There is only two parties that realistically win in the USA and they are both shit
I never said a two party systeme would be perfect and in monarchy you have a one party system, if you dont like this party youre screwed and if you get a retarded king or some brutal oppressor you can be stuck with him for a few decades if you get unlucky
 
The name of that book is oxymoronic as it promotes a state to 'create inclusive institutions'. Only good for wiping your ass or keeping warm.
yes. you need an large degree of centralization or you sucumb to lawlessness and anarchy. you need inclusive insitutions + an state. also, he is like one of the most highly cited economists of this century.
 
Stateless democracy what are you even talking about?
Equality in a stateless system?
I agree with freedom of association obviously but... hate to break it to you, that contradicts point 3 entirely, the non-discrimination...
yes bro. if you aren't treated equal in democracy, then how do you have democratic rights for that system. it impacts your ablitiy in the democratic process and makes sure your vote isn't counted properly.
 

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