We're stuck in a reactive mode, constantly triggered and outraged by the latest injustice. It’s a cycle that prevents us from moving forward and keeps us perpetually distracted from long-term goals. No one is really capable of taking the initiative when it comes to inceldom. The vast majority of us would rather continue to cope with our pain and suffering—which I can totally understand. I think that in general, taking the first step towards change is difficult, and that holds true for advancing the incel cause. This is especially true in a movement that has infighting over trivial matters all the time.
And as you said previously, many of the people here only really care about themselves. I have seen multiple threads about the topic of being selfish and not caring about anyone else; this kind of mindset is another reason why incels as a group don't work very well—a large portion has been so jaded and has suffered so much that they developed a very cynical worldview, even toward their brethren.
I believe that some change is what's necessary. Even if it's something small like improving our internal culture—because if we don’t try, we guarantee that nothing changes. We may not be able to dismantle every obstacle in our way, but we can at least stop sabotaging ourselves.
Yeah, I can agree with all of that. I do think some kind of collective action or individual projects would actually help us cope better than games or other distractions. It would take away the feelings of powerless, the sense of being so helpless, so victimized. At least a little.
This is an interesting perspective. Wouldn't it harm the integrity of the group if we let those who aren't really incels stay?
There are always trade-offs. What do you value most, what can you exchange for something else? What I want most, maybe even more than a happy relationship, is to see my sex be treated fairly, with care and understanding and empathy. To live in a society in which I don't feel like an outsider, an enemy, a
pharmakos of the modern world. I want to live in a society I can cooperate with, I can find a place in, among people I perceive as my in-group.
I don't even think kicking out ascending incels helps protect our integrity. These people don't turn into chads the second they get laid. Many of them still are, and will be for the rest of their existence, second class citizen on the sexual and romantic market. They got lucky once, somehow managed to score a girl and hopefully start a relationship with her, but they will always carry the memories and impression they were afflicted with during their time as full-grown incels. At least most of them will.
Some exceptions will suddenly abandon all their previous believes and try to climb the social ladder like the rest of the normie biomass, but those people can be identified (will identify themselves) and can then be removed for their lack of
commitment and loyality to the group. Which seem to me to be much better criteria for exclusion, rather than "did you manage to get laid sooner or later?".
Many of the incels who ascended would probably still be happy to have a place among others like them. And they could find that place among us, but not out there among the wider public.
In addition, since ascending probably correlates with being a bit more on the "functional member of society" side of things, these people likely have above average social and financial and intellectual capital compared to the average incel. These are the people you want most, people who have something to offer, who are capable of getting something done, who have the luxury to care about helping others / the group instead of being caught up in their own downward spiral of a ruined life.
If you want to achieve anything, you need a functional group. If you kick anyone half-way functional on the personal level out, you will be left with a large, chaotic clump of misery and depression, devoid of hope, ambition and competence. You could just give these users a tag as "ascended former incels" or something and have them carry the "shame" / pride openly. If they are dicks about it, if they brag too much or behave in a condescending way and turn their back on core blackpilled ideas, kick them out
for that.
What is really accomplished by kicking out everyone who ascends? I think it's mostly about making the ones who can't ascend and have no hope of doing so,
ever (some legitimately, many because they are >21 years old and still overly emotional teens at heart), feel better about themselves. It's about taking the burden of sharing a space with people they will naturally envy and feel mogged by off their shoulders. It's about the individual interests of the most broken or just melodramatic individual members, not about what's best for everyone long-term.
A group functions in part because members make sacrifices by putting the interests of the group above their own. Incels, it seems to me, are mostly selfish and connected only by their hatred for the rest of humanity and their shared scars and traumas. But not by any sense of unity or purpose. Are we even a group at that point? Or more of a category, like rabbits or dairy products?
I don't think the people on this site will make any big course corrections in the near future. But I'm constantly on the look-out for any other place/group of low status men that might. And if I end up having to work with some leftists or normies or, god forbid, redditards, so be it. I at the very least want to try doing something, anything, to fight back against the abuse in a way that is not completely meaningless. I have also been thinking about maybe studying sociology or differential psychology and trying to push my ideas that way. Not sure if there would be an actual chance I could succeed at this, instead of just ending with a dog shit job I don't care for, but it's an idea that has been spooking around in my head.
Another thing I wanted to mention. I have had a bunch of contact with leftist creatives and academics throughout the years, and one thing I found quite notable was how easily they got invested in new ideas and attempts at doing some big project. As an example, during one of my group therapies I encountered some dude in a polyamorous relationship. He was reasonably smart, very pro-social and well integrated in society. And when I talked to him about things like AI threat, he was so interested, he wanted to make his next creative project (self-published short film) about AI. Reading through some auto-biographies of successful leftists, I found that to kind of be a consistent pattern. Someone around them has an idea they see as having potential, then they just start a firm based on that and try making a product out of it. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but they are very eager to give things a try.
I say all this because I think that kind of adventurous spirit, this willingness to just go out and do something (and if it doesn't work, just try something else) is something majorly lacking among our kind. Probably because our lives have taught us to not hope, not give things a try and take no unnecessary risks, but that leaves us with no chance of finding a way out.
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