Maybe, yes. But like I said, I can't envision it without setting up a scenario where I'm happy as a Chad, but then also comparing it, thinking "fewhooo this is so much better than when I was JayGoptri, the Incel".. And that could never happen according to the laws of, well, everything.
Ignore the haters in this thread, you're totally right
haters" what are you a gen z rapper negro?
We've likely been over all these same points.
Can you please put that in English Dr. Peter Venkman?
Of course I said "for us". Who the fuck else are wet talking about man? Why would we measure the best possible thing for someone else?
Right. So do it. That's what we are saying here.
You mean you want to have round table discussions for how good it is for Chad and his fuck buddies? I don't get it. We can have the conversation but..honestly I don't agree with their lives being more "profound". Yes perhaps their quality of life is better, but less and less so everyday I feel. Especially for normie.
Say what now? I don't think we should thank God that he made us Incels. I just agree with OP that's it's preferable in today's times to many other "normie with foid" existences, etc.
Yet people here say that they, more or less, wish they could to transplant their brain into a chad face/body. Thats the essential position you hold and it's why people are naysaying @K9Otaku 's post here. Isn't it? So in an argument we can say once, yes it's probably good to be a Chad. But after that, to fantasize about it (which some people do) is absurd. Delusional even. And a massive waste of time I say.
Yes true, but most of um accomplish mediocre crap or even pure garbage now days. That's easy for them "to get away with" , thats how I would say it, not "accomplish anything good".
Definitely than a cuck. But I say quite possibly even better than being a decompensating American chad. And there are more and more of those.
"Fulfilling". Yes, it's true also. But nobody is achieving anything great. They are 90% high off their looks and 10% fulfilled from their achievements, which are total shit. A Chad and Stacy pair who climb Mount Everest are not really achieving something, just masturbating off their bodies constantly. So fine, it's probably stimulating and satisfying , I'll admit but, ... "EH"
what are you a youngcel?
I'm 39. Probably much older than you I assume. The word "haters" was being used by all people imitating the rap and black scene in the 90's, and usually used when trying to shut down somebody's reason and logic against a Chad/Stacy behavior. So those who use the word "hater" to describe someone expressing dissent are usually a bunch of inexperienced twats and trying to be "cool".
Hmm. This is a tricky statement. "Not fantasizing" but then.. "wishes to be one". Wishes ARE fantasy dude. We have all done it.
Elon and Bezos are a variety of Chads. Bezos gets away with all sorts of garbage including helping to ruin great non-woke stories like those written by Tolkien. Elon isn't a woke-tard. But he does other shit.
Of course, me as well.
Yeah, something like that.
People rope bc they don't see the silver lining.
Absolutely not. We are both emphasizing precisely that Inceldom is not primarily about sex. If it was, escortcelling would be the solution and it obviously isn't, although it is a nice cope.
Yes. You are right. And why is that?
Which means that we have to recreate a source of validation for ourselves from the ground up. That is what most people call "a religion" (in the very broad sense). The west is dying because it has chosen gynolatry and lookism as its religion. A bad choice of religion is what kills societies.
If you get too much validation, and for the wrong things, it will make you reckless. Which is what Stacies and Chad are. In their youth, the consequences are not visible yet. Later in life, different story.
As said above. What you are saying is that we need a religion and a church (the "groups" you mention). There is simply no other way.
It is not that really. I have just realized that the world was like it is and that I had to adapt.
No, not today. Living with a spouse is enslavement.
Maybe but that would be an illusion, and illusions never last. Sooner or later you hit a concrete wall in the dark at full speed. The most obvious example is when a betabuxxer (by far the majority of males) is divorce-raped in his 40s and has to lived being sucked dry and with no pussy for the rest of his life.
Absolutely correct. And that is why we have to adapt. No one is going to help us.
The suffering is undeniable. Nothing valuable comes without it. The reward comes when you understand what it means. What we are in the process of (re-)discovering are the fundamentals of human life. We are first finding out that our current culture is nonsensical and self-destructive and then that life is impossible without a sane worldview. That is what I have called "a religion" above. The blackpill is the beginning of that.
Can you clarify what you mean by these categories ?
What is "genuine attraction"? There lies the rub. Under this seemingly "obvious" phrase lies a whole world of misunderstanding and misguided assumptions.
High IQ. I couldn't agree 100% with this however. There's a lot of people, who put impressing others over their own happiness. You know "if you'll work hard you could be just as successful as me" type of people. They are not successful. They are not happy. They just want external validation, real or fake. Yea they drive BMW, but that's not because they like it or they have cash to burn. They just "can afford it", then they drive their shiny car into chav-infested neighborhood where they eat hot pockets. The only meal they can afford after paying their loan. It applies equally to everything else. Same applies to "influencers" they just project lifestyle they want to have. People who date hot women with horrible personality. Personality is not immediately visible to others, but looks are.
Please read what @lemon21 wrote above and my answer to it. It will clarify some points for you.
No, again we are saying the OPPOSITE! Its almost everyone else on the forum .is who is putting "too much focus" on the "sex" aspect of it.
Look, trust me, I can imagine it. And I've had sex (escorts). I don't disagree or deny that some part of me wants/desires all kinds of credit from a pretty foid which I obtained and am proud to show off to family /friends/ coworkers, or even just live the quiet simple life with her. But that rarely happens today. Rarely. You know this. How it goes, on and on. And the more than half the people you think are happy are not. They don't even know why they feel how they feel (Think: "Depression")
So you're one of the oldcels here. You are 10 years older than me. Are you KHHV?
Yes.
No.
Who cares though. These guys were/are all part of the rotting flesh of our culture and are a bunch of fucking morons. The point I made you totally skipped. It's about how the term is used in western culture. The way you used it here: Saying "don't be a hater" to K9 or myself for pointing out blackpill-type realities is almost the same as saying "respect women they are so wonderful". Don't be a hater is EXACTLT what normies & Chad/Stacy/Becky would say to us if we tried to express any basic Incel thoughts to them. All of these rapper niggers + Eminem are pathetic. What?...just cause Eminem has a few (fake) scenarios where he pretends to shoot obese trailer park foids he's Based or something?
How is that the same? NorthernWind was getting shit for saying he felt euphoric because a nurse touched him for a minute. That's not female worship, that's just pointing out the facts that we need bodily affection.
For Christ sake. I'm talking about if you were calling OP or I a "hater" like a retarded 14 year old niggeress would if you told her she was a useless ghetto bitch. Or told a pretty white foid she's wasting her life if she was doing flash mob dancing. I'm sure most of us Incels agree that flash mob dancing is gay and stupid and we don't want to be around it. If we critisize it they say "oh magurd youza haterrr"
"Great artists". What a bunch of garbage man.. sorry brocel. And it's kind of sad that you seem to like the pop culture that would reject us in a heartbeat. That's a big problem. All this rap adoring of hip hop horseshit normie fag crap.
Well I don't think what northernwind said was foid worship. If a becky nurse touches me to comfort me, i cannot help it that i feel euphoric. It's just oxytocin and endorphine, it's a physical reaction...
That's all nice and dandy, but i want to be happy. it's like having cancer and knowing why you're dying instead of just ignorance, sure i may know the cause. But there's nothing i can do about it
This is not an easy feat, and it will lead to build ego if others reject your "religion" it may also promote your thoughts and some may not be shared fully with others. But the world is going to a dark place that's for sure.
This is not the case for everyone, we tend to take too strong of a focus on the west. Because degeneracy is most apparent there, i live in a 3rd world country and while lookism is undeniable. I see happy couples that do not give 3 fucks about retarded things like Roe v Wade or USA degeneracy in general. It's not like everyone wants to have a partner just for reproduction after all.
As i said above while a lot of people suffer from that, they're the most vocal ones. We reek of confirmation bias a lot of the time and we tend to ignore the sucess of others and dizz them as outliers, when in reality there are a ton of those cases that get glossed by.
So your answer to our plight is religion? it makes sense i mean, but i'm not too happy with that route to be honest. Maybe you can share some of your insight with me, but i'm not ready as of yet to delve too deep into it.
Downers: Basically trolls or just neets who see no porpouse on improving themselves or their chances, and call whatever post that points at those things cucked or just meaningless. They don't really add substance and just like to bring others down.
Phisical attraction coupled with good chemistry, good chemistry means jack if the girl in question dosn't find you attractive. So a prequisite is that you're somewhat attractive. I meant to say this as something you won't get with a hooker, no matter how good a service she provides. It won't compare to a girlfriend that chooses you.
Yes, but then again as there is not really a defined meaning to our life we all will be depressed unless we give it said meaning. Which is easier said than done. So adding up happiness or just acomplishments if you want to call it that, it's better than having nothing.
You don't have to be doing everything together, but you can do lots of things together still. It's not like you kill your chances to do other things, it will just only get harder.
USA is cancer, and it's spreading. But not everywhere is like that, or at least that's what i'd like to believe. Maybe in a couple of years i won't even think of having this conversation, but as i've said above i live in 3rd world. And not everyone wants to fuck around with others, there's nice people and there's bad people. But assuming everyone is a bad person is a dangerous thought, sure there are too many rotten people. But we have to scavenge to get to know worthwhile people, at least that's what i've found.
Nobody is happy. Saying that one can be happy is one of the of the main lies of Western Culture.
Building a new "religion" is of course not easy. But we have no choice. It is that or the rope.
The whole world worships the West and is therefore going down the same path, sooner or later.
In non-Western countries you still have a lot of people who follow ancestral customs and are therefore still somewhat protected from Western idiocy. But for how long?
You don't get to choose. Past history proves that it is either religion or suicide (ever read Dostoyevsky?)
My position is that we need religion without supernatural elements. These are obsolete. But the fundamental principles of religion are not.
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Got it. I agree.
That is too shallow an analysis and it falsely assumes that attraction is mostly physical.
There are some genuine happy folks out there. Sure some may be unhappy, but that's not all people. You think all people are like dan bilzerian and are faking it, truth is there's some that fake it. And there are some that are just happy, i doubt Leonardo Dicaprio is miserable. Sure he may have some moments of misery, but you cannot say that his misery is the same as a venezuelan kid facing starvation.
Yeah, sadly that's how it's going to turn out.
Not long at all, we're already adopting feminism. And it was bothersome for a while, i hope degeneracy from the west stops somewhere along the line.
Not really, i lived in the same place all of my life.
I didn't, will check it out.
Sure, i'll read it.My position is that we need religion without supernatural elements. These are obsolete. But the fundamental principles of religion are not.
For more on this, you can read:
RGS / Antarctica TOC thread
This thread is meant to act as a table of content to all threads in the RGS (real Gender Studies) series. Here are those that have been published so far: https://incels.is/threads/real-gender-studies-101-the-paleolithic.316731/...
Yes, i didn't delve too much into it. Just what i feel is right. Do you want to tell me that there's something other than physical attraction at play? Because i call it bull. Sure Extrovertness and whatever plays a factor, but it's just height/frame/face what attracts women. I didn't ever see a guy who was truly ugly do well with women. Even if i did sometime that's not the norm, women care too much about aesthetics to have any semblance of spiritual thought. That's why i don't even entertain the notion.
If by god-king you mean tall strong and great frame dudes, sure i agree.
No, I mean someone who has the status of a God-King, regardless of his physical appearance.
It was. It is. Physical reactions to foid touching you are part of the picture, the rest is exactly what you're arguing for above "validation" that completes the picture. It's validation you want from foid. Worshipping a foid means to wish for that from a distance so that you can obtain the credit she will bring you. Since you can't worship God (cause we stopped believing in all that mostly) we tend to worship foid.
Oh Jesus Krishna Rama Allah Buddha. You killed me. I'm dead.
Hmm. Maybe. I don't know. I don't think this is "happiness". I think it's fake credit and it wears off fast.
Umm. In 1950, yes this is true. In 2022, and with most Incels saying "we want top tier Stacy or at least high level Becky" - hell to the motha fuckin no! You think you can have a balanced lifestyle with one of these younger foids? Never. It won't happen. She will rearrange your life to include whack ass social functions and toss your Xbox (or whatever copes you use) out of the window. Awesome pretty gamer girls who will allow you to have your isolated life + at the same time get the credit and validation you need is just a myth. Especially for us low smv males. This doesn't exist man. Maybe there are like some wayward examples or some really lucky guys out there, but those chances are almost 1 in 10,000 times of trying. And who the hell has that sort of time, money and energy to spend?
Yes. Fast.
I mean, they are not bad people in the sense they will rob you if you leave them alone. But if you get involved with them, yes they will hurt you one way or the other. This is in most places. But...
Live mostly like a hermit. That's all we really can do.
Yes brocel. I recognise the problem. You are not in any unique situation here in our company. Of course it hurts. It hurt me a lot until I completely resigned myself to that pain. I'm not going to pretend that sometimes it still hurts. Much less now that I'm older but when it does, I just hold and kiss my xanines. If you want to continue living, this is what you have to do. Find a way. The antidote we are speaking of is for the living obviously. You have to make that choice.
I kinda like that train of thought, makes sense really. But there were numerous affairs even in middle ages times, there was no shortage of queens/concubines cheating on their "god-king" why do you think that was the case?
Sigh, call me a naive fool. I understand this all very well and it pains me to my core. Literally i've thought about this shit countless times, if.. even if some girl gave me a chance there was no way that we would be compatible, like there won't be a place for me and my "personality" I know one of those lucky guys you mentioned, and it's indeed so rare that it's mindblowing.
Do you mean this in the sense that you'll feel negative emotions because of them?
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It's kinda hard to relate to a lot of people here tbh, because a lot of people here have completely isolated themselves from society. That's something that i can't nor want to do. And while i had a really hard time making "friends" and to this day i don't really know if i have people i can call confidently my friends. Hell i also think about so many posible scenarios where i could end up all alone.
Because the God-King/Ishtar religion is based ultimately on the alpha-male instinct. The alpha male can change.
Ishtar was called: the fickle goddess
Attractiveness is status nowadays
Yes. Handsomeness = god (in our culture) while Money != god
Ofcourse I want validation from a girl. Those are also just biological needs. Saying you don't depend on female love is just as retarded as new wave feminists that endlessly try to prove their independence from guys by painfully climbing the carreer ladder. Psychologically females are very important to us, we want to be loved and share things. Incels spend most of their time obsessing about women, you might call that a form of worship as well
Nope NOT a biological need. Please don't say things which you are confused about. It is a Psychological need, yes, not biological.
You depend on it but are likely never going to get it, and thus reconciling yourself to that fact will reduce the pain. It's the only choice we have.
Yes of course it's worship. Especially because nobody believes in God anymore. So you have made "The Women" into God. It's normal to want affection from our mothers. We got some, some of us got more, some of us got less, some got none at all. It's important to want and get credit from females for us, yes, but most of that credit is fake and the validation is too. Know that you know this (and you would likely have figured it out of normie or even Chad sometimes) it will not satisfy you. That's the problem. We have figured it out.
Are you saying that dopamine and oxytocin release are not biological needs? It boosts your immune system and makes you live longer, of course they are needs.
I'm not trying to make you feel worse, but honestly the reality is even more "over" than this. So if I can help you let it all go, I'll take that chance.
Yes. I had this realisation back in 2013 or so. Gave up 95% in 2015. Then in late 2017, tried to talk to one more foid and I'm so glad it went to shit in a matter of days. My mental health has improved 10 fold ever since I completely wiped all that effort from my being and all that hellish nonsense from by agenda. And to think all the time wasted instead of focusing purely on work and copes with a free mind, it's agonizing.
I mean that to co-operate with them, you will have to bend over backwards and get very little to nothing out of it. Especially if foids are involved in the background. So in a word, yes "negative emotions" is right. Negative everything. Negative bank account too maybe.
I see. You seem like your from an upper class latin family. Is it considered true Latin America where you're from or generic South America? I'm always confused as to all the categories which can differentiate the two.
You are relating to some of us here just fine I think. I get what you are saying and it makes sense. Don't be discouraged about that. This is what .is is for.
Yeah then try telling people you are done with foid and prefer to be alone. There are a few ways to say this without sounding too nasty. People will still see you, but yes it will get less and less over time.
Yes. It will. And it seems like you are headed in the right direction when you talk like this. If you can maintain financial support and work a little bit and then give up this " try and improve" by way of getting foid, you can work on becoming a healthy hermit. Start thinking that way at your age and you will have more time to be tension free as opposed to realising it letter. I wish I had completely let go of it in my 20's. But there was no .is and noone to tell me what I'm telling you now.
Dude. Stop. You can get all of those releases without foid. I'm doing it.
Just read what @K9Otaku and I are saying to @lemon21. You are in a very different phase and repeating myself is tedious. Sorry.
I feel like you often want to get the last word
I see, this makes a lot of sense.
Yeah. This was also a recurring thought i had, you won't magically become handsome. And whatever girl you manage to get will resent you over time because of your lacking attributes. Even if she dosn't her friends will and thus her in no time. But even then i tend to forget about these things as soon as i've a talk with women. It's a sad thing.
How many times did you try getting in a relationship? Was there a time when you were almost sucessfull?
Yeah i mean, my living conditions are so shit that in some aspects i live worse than poor people. But i won't starve. I think. At least my family has money, but they're very stingy. So inheritance is the way to go, but that's a long road and i don't even know how it will turn out.
I mean, lots of times friends make fun of me for not talking to girls or whatever. I mean i talk to them, but there was always something off in my interactions with them. It's either they like you or they don't. And i always knew they didn't like me.
That's what i hope, tho it's gonna be a long while until these thoughts stop popping in my head. I feel like i've not done enough and i have "hope" which in reality i dont and my mind is full of copium. So i think i need to try a little bit and fail, as to not have any regrets later on.
