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Discussion LETS DEBATE: The Enlightenment Was A Mistake

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We are going to have a discussion about The Enlightenment

Was The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?
 
It can't be undone since the Cartesian subject has been unleashed. Not even Evola and Adorno could turn us away from cheap porn and coca cola.
 
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We are going to have a discussion about The Enlightenment

Was The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?

Against Religious Theocracy. No.
Against Natural Social Conservatism. Yes.
 
It can't be undone when the Cartesian subject has come into being. Enjoy cheap porn and coca cola.
whats wrong with cartesianism? Are we too smart for our own good?
Against Religious Theocracy. No.
Against Natural Social Conservatism. Yes.
How would we restore religious theocracy without having an einstein or a newton born which questions god?
 
whats wrong with cartesianism? Are we too smart for our own good?

How would we restore religious theocracy without having an einstein or a newton born which questions god?

Religious Theocracy tends to be easily corruptible & prone to power pad tin pot tyrants.

Social Conservatism can be phased in through utilising "Cautionary" ideas & methods. Every action has a reaction.
 
The enlightenment wasn't a mistake. Totalitarian monarchy is a mess and has every right to be abolished especially if you put modern day technology into it like nuclear weapons. What if we have a corrupt mad king? GG then. The egoist/nihilist revolution was important. The issue arose when people started thinking individual freedoms apply to women, who are barely even human and not really individuals as much as a cow or pig is.
 
I think everything would be solved if we had less government and more judgement from society
 
Was The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?

No, its like asking "was the invention of guns a mistake because there are mass shootings today"

Humans misusing something is not the same as that thing being "bad" or a "mistake"

The majority of humans are just pieces of shit that need to be controlled, TBH I'd have no problem with dictatorship if the dictator was logical and wasn't a sadist, society needs an iron fist to rule and create stability, without that there is only chaos
 
No, its like asking "was the invention of guns a mistake because there are mass shootings today"

Humans misusing something is not the same as that thing being "bad" or a "mistake"

The majority of humans are just pieces of shit that need to be controlled, TBH I'd have no problem with dictatorship if the dictator was logical and wasn't a sadist, society needs an iron fist to rule and create stability, without that there is only chaos
There seems to be a trend when the dictator has a son, the son is the complete exact oppsoite of him and ruins his legacy like Genghis Khan and his sons
 
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We are going to have a discussion about The Enlightenment

Was The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?

Many great minds have come before you. Read them first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Enlightenment
 
whats wrong with cartesianism? Are we too smart for our own good?

How would we restore religious theocracy without having an einstein or a newton born which questions god?
Cogito, ergo sum or “I think, therefore I am" was good while it lasted, but the development of production forces accelerated so fast that our cognitive abilities couldn't catch up, and before we could all turn into little Aristoteles, pornhub and tinder happened so now it's "I coom therefore I am".
 
No, its like asking "was the invention of guns a mistake because there are mass shootings today"

Humans misusing something is not the same as that thing being "bad" or a "mistake"

The majority of humans are just pieces of shit that need to be controlled, TBH I'd have no problem with dictatorship if the dictator was logical and wasn't a sadist, society needs an iron fist to rule and create stability, without that there is only chaos
Agreed. Well said brocel.
 
I don't think it was necessarily a mistake, much more an unavoidable event for Western societies.
To educate the people is particularly a good thing, you just have to educate them with the right knowledge and make aware that they can question other opinions and thoughts.
 
There seems to be a trend when the dictator has a son, the son is the complete exact oppsoite of him and ruins his legacy like Genghis Khan and his sons

Probably because they spoil their sons, they had to rise to power, their sons are just born into it, it makes them pompous and often sadistic as they spend their lives taking advantage of others

Sons should have to go through some kind of "right of passage" and they should have to in some way go through the same struggles their father did
 
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We are going to have a discussion about The Enlightenment

Was The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?


No it wasn't I would hate to live in serfdom or some system under some bullshit faith.
 
The enlightenment wasn't a mistake. Totalitarian monarchy is a mess and has every right to be abolished especially if you put modern day technology into it like nuclear weapons. What if we have a corrupt mad king? GG then. The egoist/nihilist revolution was important. The issue arose when people started thinking individual freedoms apply to women, who are barely even human and not really individuals as much as a cow or pig is.
 
No it wasn't I would hate to live in serfdom or some system under some bullshit faith.
I'm not saying we should go back to serfdom. I'm just speculating about a system that doesn't have a centralized government but at the same time isn't ruled by direct democracy
 
It was a mistake without a doubt in my opinion. There was one pretty good article by political philosopher John Gray, which I can not find now unfortunately (I hope I can find it, because it was a pretty good writing). The article stated that all modern dictatorships are products of enlightenment thought. I think the enlightenment can be described just one huge genocide producer - in this sense I share the pessimistic outlook of Adorno and Horkheimer regarding it.
 
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tragedies are funny :feelsclown:
the enlightenment was a bad joke, which lead to progressivism and female suffrage in all 50 states
 
Well, i honestly think that the average incel had a better life in any kind of traditional society before Enlightment. Many traditions, institutions and values that compensated the biological tendencies of women towards Chad-craving were abolished, and hypergamy and many other trends were unleashed. Im gonna quote myself, fuck it. Heidegger does it all the time.

Culturally and historically, we have abolished all restriction to foid´s biological impulses. There has always been a pressure, a cultural counterweight to sexual liberalism (Chad has most of the females, most males fight for the rest, every truecel is excluded) that is automatically imposed if female biological tendencies are left alone unrestrained, because it destroys the social fabric needed to just survive. Same happened with hair, we lost our monkey hair while, at the same time, a cultural counterweight compensated it (the tradition and of making clothes and its institutions). Both the genetically imposed female worship of chad AND the complex cultural system of counteracting it have evolved at the same time, compensating each other and reaching further and further together. Anyway, extreme social inequalities are a permanent source of revolution and social chaos. Every culture for the last thousands at least of years enforces monogamy, punishes promiscuity, gives truecels socially valued roles as monks or whatever, enhances the SMV of men by killing tons of them in wars, lowers SMV of foids forbidding them to show their bodies (and even faces, based islam) and qualities, demonizes romanticism, imposes a meritocratic system linked with spiritual values, rejects the value of physical beauty and material wealth, etc. This way, almost everyone is cooperative with society and almost no policing, censorship, propaganda and violence is needed to maintain a minimum and stable order. There is no need for it, people in power and common people dont need to convince or deceive other people into believing that life in society is worth living because life in society is worth living (for the most part, for most people). Monogamy and punishment of promiscuity grants and stable, meritocratic and egalitarian equilibrium in the dating and sexual market. Everyone has only one coin, that can invest only once.

Thanks to the Enlightenment, our societies are now "liquid" (chaotic, unpredictable and unfair) as Bauman said. Incels benefit only from stable, predictable and fair societies that can make sacrifices so almost everyone gets some advantages. Not anymore. No social roles specifically designed for incels, no meritocracy to give us a chance, no wars to enhance our SMV, etc... Enlightenment has destroyed the mayor copes that permitted incels survive. Enlightenment created an entire social class that only shares isolation and hopelessness, us. I have been a pro-enlightenment thinker for a long time (Adorno, Horkheimer and Habermas were some my favorite readings) but after reading some good books about how life actually was during the Medieval Ages, i kind of regret it. Also, the blackpill was well spread and considered part of the political correctness during these times.
 
Well, i honestly think that the average incel had a better life in any kind of traditional society before Enlightment. Many traditions, institutions and values that compensated the biological tendencies of women towards Chad-craving were abolished, and hypergamy and many other trends were unleashed. Im gonna quote myself, fuck it. Heidegger does it all the time.



Thanks to the Enlightenment, our societies are now "liquid" (chaotic, unpredictable and unfair) as Bauman said. Incels benefit only from stable, predictable and fair societies that can make sacrifices so almost everyone gets some advantages. Not anymore. No social roles specifically designed for incels, no meritocracy to give us a chance, no wars to enhance our SMV, etc... Enlightenment has destroyed the mayor copes that permitted incels survive. Enlightenment created an entire social class that only shares isolation and hopelessness, us. I have been a pro-enlightenment thinker for a long time (Adorno, Horkheimer and Habermas were some my favorite readings) but after reading some good books about how life actually was during the Medieval Ages, i kind of regret it. Also, the blackpill was well spread and considered part of the political correctness during these times.
you are very lexical for a person who isnt' fluent in english
 
you are very lexical for a person who isnt' fluent in english

Im literally autistic (about to get diagnosed :feelsautistic: ). I can read and write academic papers in english or spanish about Vattimo´s ontological nihilism but i struggle with normal conversations about my daily life and minor common topics... in english or spanish lmao. You NT people are lucky, trust me. If i could, i would only write walls of text here. I have to repress my autistic tendencies all the time. Fuck my life.
 
No, its like asking "was the invention of guns a mistake because there are mass shootings today"

Humans misusing something is not the same as that thing being "bad" or a "mistake"

The majority of humans are just pieces of shit that need to be controlled, TBH I'd have no problem with dictatorship if the dictator was logical and wasn't a sadist, society needs an iron fist to rule and create stability, without that there is only chaos
High IQ
Well, i honestly think that the average incel had a better life in any kind of traditional society before Enlightment.
Incels benefit only from stable, predictable and fair societies that can make sacrifices so almost everyone gets some advantages. Not anymore. No social roles specifically designed for incels, no meritocracy to give us a chance, no wars to enhance our SMV, etc... Enlightenment has destroyed the mayor copes that permitted incels survive.
 
No, its like asking "was the invention of guns a mistake because there are mass shootings today"

Humans misusing something is not the same as that thing being "bad" or a "mistake"

The majority of humans are just pieces of shit that need to be controlled, TBH I'd have no problem with dictatorship if the dictator was logical and wasn't a sadist, society needs an iron fist to rule and create stability, without that there is only chaos
 
"The Enlightenment"? You mean mayocels stealing all the documents educated Islamic people had and pretending they were the ones who came up with it? Is that what you mean, bro?
 
"The Enlightenment"? You mean mayocels stealing all the documents educated Islamic people had and pretending they were the ones who came up with it? Is that what you mean, bro?
Is this a joke?
 
"The Enlightenment"? You mean mayocels stealing all the documents educated Islamic people had and pretending they were the ones who came up with it? Is that what you mean, bro?
What? Mayocels oppressing virgin gangers? This can't be happening, this really shows you something...
 
Just get rid of the Jews behind the destruction of the West and implement a government based on purity and values.
Fuck use ethnostates if you have to.
 
Just get rid of the Jews behind the destruction of the West and implement a government based on purity and values.
Fuck use ethnostates if you have to.
we can't trust humans to uphold those values
 
No, its like asking "was the invention of guns a mistake because there are mass shootings today"

Humans misusing something is not the same as that thing being "bad" or a "mistake"

The majority of humans are just pieces of shit that need to be controlled, TBH I'd have no problem with dictatorship if the dictator was logical and wasn't a sadist, society needs an iron fist to rule and create stability, without that there is only chaos

What do you think about an super AI making decisions for humanity? People at large wouldn't be OK with it, but it's what we would need.
 
I am okay with anything as long as it's not sexual revolution and feminism.
 
What do you think about an super AI making decisions for humanity? People at large wouldn't be OK with it, but it's what we would need.
Or like The Matrix. Humans are humans. We're not heroes who rise from the darkness. If humans were to learn the truth, they would either deny it or plunge into nihilism and eventually hedonism.
 
we can't trust humans to uphold those values
Religious theocracy is infested with corruption otherwise it would work.

Th only thing I can hope for is mass destruction which causes humans to revert.
Society becoming more survival and physically dependent will restore the roles of males (we are physically superior for a reason) and females will become dependent on us and no longer have power, the rest is just natural selection working at place.
 
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We are going to have a discussion about The Enlightenment

Was The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?
Enlightenment was caused by the authoritarian catholicism. Never during the ellenic- pagan period was felt the need of such a cultural uprising against the national cult because Roman paganism actually tried to motivate its position through knowledge instead of imposing crazy dogmatic beliefs.
Romans were much more based and redpilled when it came to foids than catholics (considering foids like unfinished men rather than something on their own differentiated from men) and also catholicism with its cucked vision of da zacred mother partially created the premises for the coming feminism

Enlightenment was then needed to reinstall logic and reason as a way to reach the truth instead of authority (early christians actually behaved like SJWs) however it created two fucking scourges that still today we struggle getting rid of

1 Social constructivism and the idea of human beings born equal, tabula rasa, until society shapes them (that later would have been the cause of feminism and its success)

2 The opposition, just as ideological as the one they fought, to EVERY single form of cult and spirituality, not only to abramitic BS.
 
Enlightenment was massive mistake. a council of scholars or philosopher king/ dictator chosen from a ministry specially designed to train benevolent politicians would work best. the masses are clearly low IQ dogs who follow whatever rich niggers,WASPs and Jews tell them to even after repeated abuses
 
Enlightenment was caused by the authoritarian catholicism. Never during the ellenic- pagan period was felt the need of such a cultural uprising against the national cult because Roman paganism actually tried to motivate its position through knowledge instead of imposing crazy dogmatic beliefs.
Romans were much more based and redpilled when it came to foids than catholics (considering foids like unfinished men rather than something on their own differentiated from men) and also catholicism with its cucked vision of da zacred mother partially created the premises for the coming feminism

Enlightenment was then needed to reinstall logic and reason as a way to reach the truth instead of authority (early christians actually behaved like SJWs) however it created two fucking scourges that still today we struggle getting rid of

1 Social constructivism and the idea of human beings born equal, tabula rasa, until society shapes them (that later would have been the cause of feminism and its success)

2 The opposition, just as ideological as the one they fought, to EVERY single form of cult and spirituality, not only to abramitic BS.

High IQ

3 Social and cultural engineering (not only individuals but also societies as tabula rasa)

4 Cult to progress, baseless optimism, bluepill

5 Individualism, solipsism, pragmatism, egotism
 
The enlightenment was a mistake, the RENAISSANCE/Protestant Reformation/Scientific revolution WAS NOT. Believing that all men are endowed with inalienable rights, will inevitably lead to cucks(most men) believing that women are also owed these rights, and they will eventually give women rights.
The Roman Emperors from Augustus to Constantine ruled their empire with absolute authority, and theirs no evidence they abused their citizens more than democracy's do today, and they also gave men full reign to control their families.

MY ADHD is bad.
 
high IQ for gorilla
 
The enlightenment was a mistake, the RENAISSANCE/Protestant Reformation/Scientific revolution WAS NOT. Believing that all men are endowed with inalienable rights, will inevitably lead to cucks(most men) believing that women are also owed these rights, and they will eventually give women rights.
The Roman Emperors from Augustus to Constantine ruled their empire with absolute authority, and theirs no evidence they abused their citizens more than democracy's do today, and they also gave men full reign to control their families.

MY ADHD is bad.
 
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We are going to have a discussion about The Enlightenment

Was The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?
you forgot to tag me
 
What do you think about an super AI making decisions for humanity? People at large wouldn't be OK with it, but it's what we would need.

That actually makes a lot of sense, it would be impartial and objective, but then again, the coders would determine how it makes decisions and what biases it has, so the code would have to be screened by some kind of group
 
That actually makes a lot of sense, it would be impartial and objective, but then again, the coders would determine how it makes decisions and what biases it has, so the code would have to be screened by some kind of group

The bias problem remains unsolved this way.
 
The bias problem remains unsolved this way.

Well it would have to be an AI that is coded to form its own opinions from the ground up and teach itself, that's gonna be hard as hell, but without input and programming on how it formulates ideas, there's nothing stopping it from coming to the conclusion that humans should be wiped out as we are the bane of the planet and the bane of our own existence

Its a movie cliche for a reason that the AI goes evil, and that's because we know were the problem, its hard to create something that "acts in the greater good" of the beings that are "the greater evil"
 

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