Serious Jordan Peterson's "Useless Young Men" comment

[NearlyOver]

By now, everyone's heard of how social media blew up after Peterson's New York Times interview in which he claims "enforced monogamy" might cut down on the number of embittered, lonely guys in society. He meant, as we all knew, that society should encourage monogamy, not legally enforce it. But anyway, in a subsequent interview with Joe Rogan, Peterson tries to acquit himself. But around time 01:20, he condemns most/many of us by calling us "useless young men."

So, because we don't have a lot of money, aren't wage slaving for corporations and the government, and we haven't conformed to the standards of the very society that rejected us, we're "useless." There's your "value of human life." This supposed hero of disenfranchised young men has thrown us (incels) collectively under the bus and agreed that our lives have no value. We ALREADY KNOW this is how society thinks of us and THIS is why so many of us have withdrawn from society.

 

[NearlyOver]

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

 

[Lebensmüder]

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

 

[crestfallencel]

Juden Peterstein

 

[Deleted member 32431]

working hard as an incel is like fishing in a puddle

 

[Deleted member 33464]

We do we still care about this hack? He is trying to tell us how to live our lives when he's popping benzos and raised his daughter into a whore?

 

[Deleted member 27204]

You are never going to get even all disenfranchised young men to stand up for themselves and each other no matter how many convincing arguments you make. In the mean time though while society demands one-sided respect and cooperation you can choose not to support any of their causes. Not that it will do anything (thinking otherwise is a grandiose cope tbh) but if society truly owes no one anything then incels should be free to apply that to their own lives too. At the very least it gives peace of mind ngl

So, because we don't have a lot of money, aren't wage slaving for corporations and the government, and we haven't conformed to the standards of the very society that rejected us, we're "useless."

All mostly not a conscious decision to withdraw but forced by society to make room for women to benefit at low status men's expense.

There's your "value of human life." This supposed hero of disenfranchised young men has thrown us (incels) collectively under the bus and agreed that our lives have no value.

Peterson being a supposed hero of incels is just a media created myth. He's the typical tradcuck that mostly blames men for society's dysfunction.

We ALREADY KNOW this is how society thinks of us and THIS is why so many of us have withdrawn from society.

But do not think this. That's also a media myth. In reality a lot of low status men have been forced out from society to the point where they can't even express their problems without getting attacked for taking the limelight off more privileged groups like women.

 

[NearlyOver]

working hard as an incel is like fishing in a puddle

LOVE IT!

We do we still care about this hack? He is trying to tell us how to live our lives when he's popping benzos and raised his daughter into a whore?

It's not that we "care about this hack." It's that internationally THEY are controlling the dialog on what inceldom is--its causes and the assumed societal risks we pose. This is what's driving the growing law enforcement and legislative threats AGAINST us. Because there's no accurate voice advocating for even the barest legislative protections for us. And if we just let this happen, what'll eventually happen to us will make what's happened to men as a class since radical feminism has taken root seem like a walk in the park.

 

[The Abyss]

By now, everyone's heard of how social media blew up after Peterson's New York Times interview in which he claims "enforced monogamy" might cut down on the number of embittered, lonely guys in society. He meant, as we all knew, that society should encourage monogamy, not legally enforce it. But anyway, in a subsequent interview with Joe Rogan, Peterson tries to acquit himself. But around time 01:20, he condemns most/many of us by calling us "useless young men."

So, because we don't have a lot of money, aren't wage slaving for corporations and the government, and we haven't conformed to the standards of the very society that rejected us, we're "useless." There's your "value of human life." This supposed hero of disenfranchised young men has thrown us (incels) collectively under the bus and agreed that our lives have no value. We ALREADY KNOW this is how society thinks of us and THIS is why so many of us have withdrawn from society.

JP can get fucked, him & his daughter are nutjobs.

 

[NearlyOver]

You are never going to get even all disenfranchised young men to stand up for themselves and each other no matter how many convincing arguments you make. In the mean time though while society demands one-sided respect and cooperation you can choose not to support any of their causes. Not that it will do anything (thinking otherwise is a grandiose cope tbh) but if society truly owes no one anything then incels should be free to apply that to their own lives too. At the very least it gives peace of mind ngl

All mostly not a conscious decision to withdraw but forced by society to make room for women to benefit at low status men's expense.

Peterson being a supposed hero of incels is just a media created myth. He's the typical tradcuck that mostly blames men for society's dysfunction.

But do not think this. That's also a media myth. In reality a lot of low status men have been forced out from society to the point where they can't even express their problems without getting attacked for taking the limelight off more privileged groups like women.

I'm sorry, but I think readers have missed the point. I don't care about what people think about Peterson or who's a "hero of incels"... But I think we do have to stand up for ourselves out of self-preservation. Remaining in the shadows won't work. Eventually, as other states follow Texas' lead to push anti-incel legislation (Texas DPS in 2020 called incels "Emerging Domestic Terrorism" as it called for statewide legislation and law enforcement revisions), we're going to find ourselves a legal underclass with the attrition of what are supposed to be our citizen rights. Either we fight collectively or we die separately.

 

[Speed]

JFL it's hilarious how some people worship this clown.

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

 

[Incline]

There are no politics for incels. No party will ever support or care for us. Well actually the CCP cares for incels but only chinesecels so if you are not chinesecel you are shit out of luck.

Jfl when a communist dictatorships does more for cels than western democracies. Being incel is not demonized there and the government actively tries to match people together also turns a blind eye on wife abduction from neighbor countries. Based CCP. Wish I was a ccpcel.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Do you know what's useless? A psychology degree.

 

[NearlyOver]

There are no politics for incels. No party will ever support or care for us.

Which is why it's so important for us to start doing this for ourselves. The rest of them would be happy to see us exterminated. Even "illegally." Rights aren't free. And they aren't permanent.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Peterson being a supposed hero of incels is just a media created myth

That's just a byproduct of the way media portrays incels -- i.e. misogynistic losers who live in their parents basements.

Peterson himself never claimed to be pro incel, nor has he claimed to be pro men. It's the constant nagging of braindead SJWs that turned him into a virtual rent a dad for the lost youth of day. And since incels are men we got lumped in

So, because we don't have a lot of money, aren't wage slaving for corporations and the government, and we haven't conformed to the standards of the very society that rejected us, we're "useless." There's your "value of human life."

The nigga has a distinctive idea of what it means to be "useful", but he backs his shit up with pseudoscientific crap that has no merit. He wants us to be normies; that's his idea of being useful.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

I'm sorry, but I think readers have missed the point. I don't care about what people think about Peterson or who's a "hero of incels"... But I think we do have to stand up for ourselves out of self-preservation. Remaining in the shadows won't work. Eventually, as other states follow Texas' lead to push anti-incel legislation (Texas DPS in 2020 called incels "Emerging Domestic Terrorism" as it called for statewide legislation and law enforcement revisions), we're going to find ourselves a legal underclass with the attrition of what are supposed to be our citizen rights. Either we fight collectively or we die separately.

I believe in advocating for the rights of sexless males and standing up for our collective interest too by continuing to refuse to be silent and correcting misinformation about incels instead of just accepting it. But individually it's kind of a lost cause constantly correcting all the propaganda lobbed our way. It's a matter tbh of picking the right battles. For example some random user on reddit or anti-incel sub is berating incels is less of a concern and not really worth addressing compared to someone in the media (more specifically a series of hitpieces by them) spreading lies and demonizing incels.

 

[AbsolutelyBrutal]

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

You might say politics is cope, but voting conservative makes more sense than progresivism as an incel.

 

[Deleted member 16390]

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

both right and left want to recruit you as "expendable soldiers", kamikaze bombers that is..

 

[Deleted member 33091]

I hate JP so much.

 

[Deleted member 26010]

I hate JP so much.

Fuck that cuck JP he acts so smart and enlightened but he's just a little hypocritical drug using useless bitch who can't even practice what he preaches clean your own room faggot.

 

[based_meme]

Imagine believing that a practicing psychologist was ever on your side.

 

[Deleted member 33091]

Fuck that cuck JP he acts so smart and enlightened but he's just a little hypocritical drug using useless bitch who can't even practice what he preaches clean your own room faggot.

He almost killed himself popping benzos.

And his daughter is a huge whore.

 

[watcher]

Jordan Peterson is a coping self-help scammer who uses drugs to cope with life in a dirty mess of a room while telling men to clean our rooms and work hard trying to be good enough to please other people's standards.

 

[littlemanhikicel]

That motherfucker deserve to die srs.

 

[erenyeager]

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

Pretty much. That's why killing them all is better. (In Minecraft)

Imagine believing that a practicing psychologist was ever on your side.

 

[Deleted member 4159]

Jordan Peterson is a coping self-help scammer who uses drugs to cope with life in a dirty mess of a room while telling men to clean our rooms and work hard trying to be good enough to please other people's standards.

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[Deleted member 29351]

Do you know what's useless? A psychology degree.

Based as it gets. The guy is also a drug addict. Listening to his advice is like listening a criminal how to obey law.

 

[Shigechi]

His daughter is a whore, he drank apple cider and couldn't sleep for a long time because he's retarded. This guy was a way to calm down men and not let them become fascists, he failed and he's a cuck.

 

[nazianime]

The opinions on a millionaire talking trashcan and a man with benzo addiction and a whore daughter are useless.

 

[Deleted member 33560]

Jewdan peterson is a fag

 

[radishman]

He has a daughter so he's a cucked sex haver.

 

[NorthernWind]

Don't be useless. Work hard. Bring value to the society. Your future bride awaits you.

 

[Dregster]

his daughter

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Brought to you by the same worthless generation that outsourced all manufacturing overseas, automated remaining jobs, and then also supports mass foreign immigration to lower the wages of the remaining bullshit slave gig jobs that are left.

The same worthless generation that while you're at your bullshit slave gig job working minimum wage or slightly above it mandates that you pay for their social security, pensions, or Medicare. The same worthless generation that tells you to go to college in acquiring a degree or certification only to graduate with huge amounts of financial debt where by the time you're hired on you're replaced by a foreign worker on a work visa joining the ranks of the newly unemployed.

I think at this point the saying, "Don't trust anybody over the age of forty.", is becoming paramount.


"Why don't you young losers go out and get a job?"

It's a lot like the arsonist after burning down a house blaming the victim who is the home owner, boomer mentality in a nutshell. They seriously need to fucking die off at this point.

 

[Deleted member 33833]

What about useless young women? Oh wait, you don't have the balls to point it out

 

[kikecel]

What about useless young women? Oh wait, you don't have the balls to point it out

giga based IQ. all young women are useless

 

[SoloAlex]

Useless young women don’t exist I guess because they have a pussy. Just have a pussy and you’re all set theory.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

just wagie hard so you too can have your roasted landwhale

Juden Peterstein

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

working hard as an incel is like fishing in a puddle

 

[NearlyOver]

It's a matter tbh of picking the right battles.

We're not picking any battles. We're (often justifiably) venting. The people we need to address aren't the rabid masses (though a marketing arm eventually has to do that). It's politicians and officials validating cultural and "professional" opinions as empirical facts and, therefore, permitting the growth of increasingly hostile pro-legislation and law enforcement positions. We have no coherent, effective platform to address misinformation, stereotypes, and threats agains our civil and other legal rights.

 

[Deleted member 27161]

You just realized everyone hates us? Jfl nobody gives a fuck about us whether right or left.

 

[NearlyOver]

You just realized everyone hates us? Jfl nobody gives a fuck about us whether right or left.

Again, THIS is why we need an effective advocacy platform. Many of the groups that enjoy at least legal protections today were once deeply hated. If they'd remained in the shadows, they'd have been mass-annihilated or picked off one-by-one when they dared sneak into the light.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

We're not picking any battles.

I mean when addressing misinformation against people like us. You can't address every critic and person trying to paint you as the villain because some people will continue spouting mistruths no matter whether or not you call them out for this and try to explain your position. For evidence see how MRAs and mgtows are treated despite them repeatedly addressing their critics and calling out shaming tactics.

We're (often justifiably) venting.

Agreed. And in a non clown world just venting wouldn't be cause for trying to shut sites like this down. But this isn't such a world. While it has been shown now that AM wasn't an incel such events like the van attack by him and yoga shooting put a target on incels that isn't ever going to go away because of people's propensity in the first place to hate on and suspect virgin males of defective, deficient, contemptible and antisocial behavior and because incels perfectly fit the stereotype of "lone wolf extremist" that western governments have focused on to justify their law enforcement and surveillance budgets.

The people we need to address aren't the rabid masses (though a marketing arm eventually has to do that). It's politicians and officials validating cultural and "professional" opinions as empirical facts and, therefore, permitting the growth of increasingly hostile pro-legislation and law enforcement positions.

How do you propose doing that? You need a lot of money to make that happen. Politicians don't listen to people that don't have a lot of money.

We have no coherent, effective platform to address misinformation, stereotypes, and threats agains our civil and other legal rights.

Imo one group that would be most willing to help with that believe it or not would be MRAs. There is a lot of sympathy that MRAs have for incels and a willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt even when incels may say things that would be taken unfavorably by most others MRAs are also active in trying to address misinformation, stereotypes and threats against low status men.

But yeah because the manosphere and incels are an easy target and don't have enough representation to push back these groups of people are being opportunistically targeted by anti "hate" industries like the SPLC (who have tried to classify incels as male supremacists and have been after MRAs since some outrage about them occurred when they were arguing against males sacrificing themselves in the 2012 Aurora Colorado shooting https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2012/08/03/men’s-rights-activists-disdain-men’s-sacrifice-colorado-shooting).

Spoiler

BTW on the real outreach pr bullshit doesn't work. Your best bet is to just not give more evidence that can be used by people trying to target you. Which means whenever er events happen just don't comment on them or discuss them. Don't cheer them on or encourage others to do similar things. That's never been something anyone in recent years has done even if they may secretly agree. It's the fact that many incels have posted about being encouraged and rejoicing at these events that has gotten incels a lot of unwanted attention.

 

[Deleted member 140]

Jordan Peterson is a coping self-help scammer who uses drugs to cope with life in a dirty mess of a room while telling men to clean our rooms and work hard trying to be good enough to please other people's standards.

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Getting addicted to benzos and going to Serbia to get daily blood infusions and treatment

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

the right wing hates you the left wing hates you, politics is cope, rope or cope buddy boyo

it's over

Getting addicted to benzos and going to Serbia to get daily blood infusions and treatment

But he didn't taper off of it and got severe seizures and brain damage as well

 

[NearlyOver]

I mean when addressing misinformation against people like us. You can't address every critic and person trying to paint you as the villain because ...

How do you propose doing that? You need a lot of money to make that happen. Politicians don't listen to people that don't have a lot of money.

We're not even trying. I empathize with the need to vent when nearly every other recourse is closed off to you. We can use the web to begin constructively entering the dialog (witch hunt) on incels. We can learn from successful social marketing campaigns about how to begin changing public sentiment. We can create arms of inceldom for different functions, like reaching out to legal advocacy groups like the ACLU that have already successfully defended the legal rights of other unpopular groups. We can learn about and start public/group funding. If we can convince incels and incel-sympathizers who're justifiably too afraid to come forward to defend or identify with inceldom that our objectives benefit them in the long term, they're more likely to support a rights movement however they can.

We have resources. Other movements have started with less. This isn't about promoting extreme views. It's about protecting the whole class of incels from encroachment on our rights--including free speech, freedom from discrimination, freedom from physical abuse, freedom from law enforcement harassment, and freedom from unconstitutional legislative policy. Not to mention, freedom from the mental health and economic fallout from others' biases that gravely impact our ability to seek and hold employment.

As of today, incels.me & incels.co are down. How long before incels.is is down? The largest US economy, the state of Texas, is drafting legislation that justifies eroding our civil rights based on the unchallenged label of incels as "domestic terrorists." Other states are looking to do the same. And influencial legal boards are getting on board (see the 2020 Brookings Institute Lawfare joint publication "Incels: America's Newest Domestic Terrorism Threat"). Are we just going to sit back and watch our house burn?

 

[curryboy420]

Juden Peterstein

Hate this kike, kermit the frog dick sucking fagot

it's over


But he didn't taper off of it and got severe seizures and brain damage as well

Mang I do xans every other day and still don't need Russians to put me in a coma

 

[Deleted member 27204]

We're not even trying. I empathize with the need to vent when nearly every other recourse is closed off to you. We can use the web to begin constructively entering the dialog (witch hunt) on incels. We can learn from successful social marketing campaigns about how to begin changing public sentiment. We can create arms of inceldom for different functions, like reaching out to legal advocacy groups like the ACLU that have already successfully defended the legal rights of other unpopular groups. We can learn about and start public/group funding. If we can convince incels and incel-sympathizers who're justifiably too afraid to come forward to defend or identify with inceldom that our objectives benefit them in the long term, they're more likely to support a rights movement however they can.

I would recommend donating to the National Coalition for Men (NCFM) or other men's rights organizations and discussing the possibility with them of starting legal branches that protect incels from defamation in the media and discriminatory laws targeting single males.

We have resources. Other movements have started with less. This isn't about promoting extreme views. It's about protecting the whole class of incels from encroachment on our rights--including free speech, freedom from discrimination, freedom from physical abuse, freedom from law enforcement harassment, and freedom from unconstitutional legislative policy. Not to mention, freedom from the mental health and economic fallout from others' biases that gravely impact our ability to seek and hold employment.

The employment issue is important too. Lately though developments in western countries like the US (see monthly child allowance) have tipped the scales even more in favor of people that have sex and have families over single males. Already the tax system was incentivized to give tax breaks to people that have sex over people that are single.

As of today, incels.me & incels.co are down. How long before incels.is is down? The largest US economy, the state of Texas, is drafting legislation that justifies eroding our civil rights based on the unchallenged label of incels as "domestic terrorists." Other states are looking to do the same. And influencial legal boards are getting on board (see the 2020 Brookings Institute Lawfare joint publication "Incels: America's Newest Domestic Terrorism Threat"). Are we just going to sit back and watch our house burn?

@Robtical and @epillepsy are working on alternatives and looking into ways to survive this onslaught against anti-incels directly targeting web servers to get blackpilled incel sites taken down.

 

[Robtical]

@Robtical and @epillepsy are working on alternatives and looking into ways to survive this onslaught against anti-incels directly targeting web servers to get blackpilled incel sites taken down.

The domains are usually what get cucked. I was looking at these blockchain ones.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9QAhSk0Mis

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[youthislife]

Juden Peterstein

What about useless young women? Oh wait, you don't have the balls to point it out

 

[NearlyOver]

I would recommend donating to the National Coalition for Men (NCFM) or other men's rights organizations and discussing the possibility with them of starting legal branches that protect incels from defamation in the media and discriminatory laws targeting single males.

I donate to and follow NCFM--and second this option for others here. And I've forwarded proposals to be more inclusive of self-identified incels. Rights groups don't want to seem even tangentially affiliated with anything incel-related. If many of us don't care to advocate on our own behalf, I can't blame other groups for not prioritizing us, either. Venting feels good. I'm the first to agree. But we should be willing to do more. Our sites are being taken down one after another, possibly illegally. We're censored and silenced and erased nearly everywhere else. When the few final refuges we have are sterilized, what then? I think the solutions lie in exploiting technology (we no longer have to rely on censorable online platforms) and our own efforts HERE. We're already together here. We've been enumerating the injustices for years. We should be the ones to begin advocacy, not others who're already wary of us.