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Venice Review: Joker: Folie à Deux Pulls a Prank on Incels and Anarchists Everywhere
In a twist for the ages, the greatest joke of Todd Phillips’ Joker sequel––which contains far fewer punchlines than the first, regardless of how they land––is the movie itself. Not in craft, but the film's holistic departure from its predecessor. After an explosive response, Phillips and...
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This time, Phillips doesn’t risk misinterpretation. He’s less interested in commenting on society than in cooling down society’s temper. The twist of this sequel isn’t just a left turn but a franchise reversal, almost as if to take it all back––a betrayal. It’s a gutting response to the nihilistic counterculture that missed the first film’s more complex points and found its voice in the villainous shadow-side of Arthur Fleck.
Folie à Deux is a movie tailored to its expectations, yes. But the Joker’s trick is that it rejects them, a bravado move from Phillips that’s sure to hemorrhage his fan base. It’s not that the film is so crazy that you have to see it (in fact, what’s crazy about it is that it isn’t); rather that few have ever had a platform like Philips and Joaquin Phoenix to fool with expectations of the masses so blatantly. How they did it is something worth seeing. As the tagline ruses, “The world is a stage,” and Folie à Deux knows it’s on it.
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To drive the good-hearted sincerity that runs through Folie à Deux home, a hushed Phoenix sings Daniel Johnston’s “True Love Will Find You in the End” over the credits, as if to soften the blow and send a message of hope to those who want to rage when they learn what Phillips has done to their beloved icon of anarchy. No more blowing up the system, no more vague far-right inspiration. Just a plea not to give up, an encouragement that love will eventually be found.
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‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Review: Todd Phillips’ Musical Sequel Feels Like It’s Bad on Purpose
Boring, flat, and a criminal waste of Lady Gaga, "Folie à Deux" tries and fails to make a point of our own frustrations with it.
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It would seem that Todd Phillips has not taken kindly to the notion that his mega-grossing, Oscar-winning, career-defining “Joker” was some kind of incel rallying cry...
In that light, I suppose I should be delighted that his inevitable follow-up is so eager to vomit that same cake back up all over the screen — all over his fans and his critics alike. It must have been making Phillips sick to his stomach...
So how does Phillips reconcile Joker with Arthur Fleck? How does he wrestle his misunderstood character study away from the idea that it wasn’t first and foremost a work of mass entertainment? With an excruciatingly — perhaps even deliberately — boring sequel that does everything in its power not to amuse you...
Needless to say, “Folie à Deux” does not give the people what they want. On the contrary, it actively courts the disappointment of its own fandom in order to articulate how cruelly Arthur is co-opted by the fantasies of the collective unconscious — lost in a dream that his followers want to have for themselves. That’s all well and good for a meta-sequel that isn’t afraid to alienate its target audience, the problem is that Phillips doesn’t give the people anything else instead. His film is bold enough to deny expectations (and smug enough to savor the growing dissatisfaction that it creates in return), but not remotely thoughtful enough to offer something more interesting in their place.
reviews are describing the new joker film as basically a 2-hour middle-finger to incel fans of the franchise
I mean, I don't think it's a very good prank, given that no STRAIGHT MALE is going to watch a literal MUSICAL, let alone with the ugly troon lady gaga in it. so I don't think that incels were really expecting much from it by this point
surely a joker film should pull better pranks
but yea lmao that people are still so worried about the evil misogynist incels that they created a sequel just to cry about the fact that incels liked the first film