thats a wrong assumption you are just copying what disbelievres will say but lets see at the end of times when disaster starts then u will be crying for help
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Me? I never used the term "fake god". But yeah, like all other supernatural phenomena god itself is nothing more than a figment of our imagination.
Even the 12 year old non-atheistic me could tell that no religion has the monopoly on truth or who the true god is. They are all the same in that regard
no i wasnt referring to you i was referring to the other user commenting on this forum because i am muslim and i wont allow someone to come at my religion
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You are right. People who lived before 0AD and generally people who've died are still dead awaiting the resurrection. They are not concious, or have any thoughts. No one has gone to heaven, or hell. "Paradise" is simply a symbolic word for the future world. The prophets before christ (like Abraham, David etc.), will awaken in the first resurrection, while people who never heard about Christianity will be risen in physical bodies, where they will then be given a chance to know Christianity and accept the faith. Those who lived before 0AD (and generally those who lived in isolated tribes without ever being given a chance to know Christianity) will be risen before those of us, who know the religion.
I think you can be materialist and leave some room for the occult because human action is essentially opaque to analysis.
Take karma, for instance. I think the concept makes total sense even if you don't believe it has anything magical or supernatural about it. You can see it as a more subtle notion of reputation. You do something bad, and people around you will remember it, even if they don't say anything. At one point or another, this will have consequences, in a way you won't necessarily be able to connect to its initial cause. Same if you do something good. Basically the way you act impacts your environment in ways you can't precisely understand but with overall causalities that still makes some sense ("bad things happen to bad people", "you reap what you sow" etc.)
And that is only one example. The universe is complex, we use terms like "magic" to describe phenomenons we don't understand, but that doesn't necessarily mean we think they defy the laws of physics.
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Very merciful answer
lolVery merciful answer
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That's your opinion and I respect it.
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Don't you see the fact that Islam reduces humans to their lust? Islam states that Paradise will give you virgin wives for killing people who don't accept your religion? And genital mutilation?
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Plus, I love my two dogs more than Allah.
ok kiddo keep basing other peoples religion u sickfuck
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That's true. Many Christians do this nonsense, but this is obviously not a good idea to preach any religion. I think the main reason for that is that the knowledge that Christians have about each different religion and Atheism is dependant on the individual Christian's background. For instance, I can debate a Muslim, or an Atheist, but if you made me debate a Hindu, or a Budhist, honestly, I would be terrible.
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If you think saying the truth about a religion means bashing, then you don't know the definition of bashing. Plus, what is and isn't bashing is apparently saying something about you like. BTW, by "truth" I mean something that is actually proven to be in the book.
From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540
did u make this up or something lol plus if this is true what you are doing is even worse than bashing
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Exactly how is it worse than bashing? And no I didn't make this up. This is a verse from the Quran.
that a hadith not a quran bro do ur research
Hmm. I agree but I don't see how that accounts for occult practices. We don't have the tools or methods to reduce humans to simpler easily understood parts. Or maybe its an irreducibly complex system.
You see, karma is another concept in my mind that is making its way to the garbage bin like the ones I listed above. One could argue that cause and effect do not really exist but are categories imposed upon this world by our rationalising minds. But I won't go there since subjective human experience matters and we do rationalise things in those terms.
But that doesn't mean we can't come up with better models for causality. Which can model the complex systems we live in better than karma. Without the added baggage of moral judgement.
Maybe "occult" was a poorly chosen word.
In any case, modern physics leaves a lot of room for very weird theories. Not just physics actually, but logics itself. Logicians like Gödel and Turing kind of showed that it is impossible for our minds to work as machines do. Roger Penrose is currently making that point and I believe he is right (I didn't read his thesis yet, but I recently came to a similar conclusion).
I've never believed in God and for a long time I was as materialistic as one can be, but these days I realize that the nature of reality is still so mysterious that I've become much more tolerant towards people using esoteric terminology than I used to.
I don't even disagree with any of this. I just can't make the jump from here to the supernatural
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