I think most of us are too experienced and nervous about homosexual connotations to do shit like hug each other in any enjoyable way, but I think it would be pretty cool if we could just be present with each other and share handshakes or something.
This is the type of thing I think most of us probably don't do, and it would go a long ways to feeling connected to society, validated as a person, nurturing others through validation, etc.
IT and co spout BS at us like "just fuck each other" or "just hug each other" but there might have a small point in that we might be able to at least do stuff like handshakes and see how that changes us as men.
Something has changed about society where this type of thing is being done less and less. I think men used to be more cordial and brotherly.
We are bereft of relationships with male role models or the purpose in being one, of being there for one another.
Even something as simple as a fucking handshake I swear is probably ruined by thinking it's "gay" or some bullshit despite humans being social animals who built society with cooperation and shared labours.
You'd have the IT feminists decry this as "toxic masculinity" and while they often oversimplify things and ignore a lot of causes/factors, there is truth in the observation that we have lost something, that there is a void in the human experience which I think we on some level recognize and try to cope with.
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I expect a lot so-called toxic masculinity comes from toxic femininity. Basically we lack security as men and obsess over our sexual identity because of the rise in ostracism towards men as hypergamy is embraced and non-humble women embrace ever-inflating standards we cannot keep pace with.
That obsession and insecurity which would rapidly evaluate if a loving woman embraced us nightly with our thighs has us confused and grasping for solutions - are we not masculine enough? Not 'dark triad' enough? Are we too effeminate?
Our lack of direction makes us grasp at straws on how to establish a masculinity that would impress a woman who would love us. We build our walls without gaps, nitpicking at the slightest possible weak point that could be used against us.
I think for this reason we collectively wall ourselves off even from stuff like a handshake and becoming friends with other men as human males did more readily in the past. It's a problem which compounds upon ourselves, because women ironically while judging men for a lack of masculine qualities also value men who are socially connected and have a network of friends/allies, so we become even less attractive to them because of our misguided efforts to impress them with fruitless stoicism and impotent independence.
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I value independence and stoicism more for their own sake these days than to impress women (because I know it's not enough) but I expect the reason I first embraced them as an ignorant pubescent teen was more for those reasons. Just like how now I love loli aesthetics for their own sake but originally I probably just used them as a coping "this is the only undefiled non-degenerate channel I have for my heterosexuality because I'm overwhelmed by the dirty sluttishness and apathetic misandry I've awakened to".
One of the difficulties I find is there's no clear or easy path out of this rut of isolation to build friendships because even if I change my perspective long enough to attempt it, the problem is so much broader than just myself, it extends to any possible friends I might make.
This is not just about paranoia about men who want to shake hands with men and engage in hobbies together, but about all kinds of social taboos everyone worries about. You don't want to be friends with that lolicon guy who thinks HS girls are cute, people might think that about you!
It's sort of like refusal to employ ex-cons, because you don't help people who need connection to find a constructive path in society establish those connections to make them a stable part of it. I completely understand the hesitancy and nobody should have a burden to be a hero an reach out, but I still lament the lack of an obvious solution.
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Getting back to the topic title - those of who who recognize the problem and want to strategically solve it by building those lost human skills with people of like mind we feel we could genuinely connect with (like I think some of us feel for fellow forum members) - we could not realistically do that.
Any meeting would be lurked-upon, infiltrated, people would get dox'd by IT, blackmailed by the FBI, etc. Even if 100% of us only wanted to just meet up and shake hands with our fellow incels to try and become "more human", that opportunity would be denied to us. They'd paint it like we're meeting up to plan a terrorist attack or some bullshit.
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I think we know that, that ostracisim and hatred, so we don't even fathom an event like that. It feels cucked to make that decision out of fear, so to cope and avoid feeling like cucks, we tell ourselves we don't even want to shake each other's hand, that it's gay to want to shake hands with men.
I don't think it's us who are sexualizing these things. It is the mockery of the non-Chad male which does this. Which makes us overly paranoid of being othered, of being devaluaed, because we lack the flexibility to deal with that.
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We are not watered daily by the moist vagina and (more importantly) emotional love of a woman who returns our affections, so if our ego is a tree, as we are dehydrated dead husks, our trunk is rigid, unbending, we are not willows who can bend, but neglected corpses infested with termites who might easily catch fire from a lightning strike.
Does someone want this of us? Even the steps we could make to improve ourselves without women, they don't want the "homosociality" which could make us more stable people able to last longer and be more productive in society.
Do some people want this conflict? Are they sadists who delight in boxing us off so that any time we begin to feel bonds and want to build a community, that they must destroy the potential of that community because they do not hold authority over it?
This is the type of thing I think most of us probably don't do, and it would go a long ways to feeling connected to society, validated as a person, nurturing others through validation, etc.
IT and co spout BS at us like "just fuck each other" or "just hug each other" but there might have a small point in that we might be able to at least do stuff like handshakes and see how that changes us as men.
Something has changed about society where this type of thing is being done less and less. I think men used to be more cordial and brotherly.
We are bereft of relationships with male role models or the purpose in being one, of being there for one another.
Even something as simple as a fucking handshake I swear is probably ruined by thinking it's "gay" or some bullshit despite humans being social animals who built society with cooperation and shared labours.
You'd have the IT feminists decry this as "toxic masculinity" and while they often oversimplify things and ignore a lot of causes/factors, there is truth in the observation that we have lost something, that there is a void in the human experience which I think we on some level recognize and try to cope with.
- -
I expect a lot so-called toxic masculinity comes from toxic femininity. Basically we lack security as men and obsess over our sexual identity because of the rise in ostracism towards men as hypergamy is embraced and non-humble women embrace ever-inflating standards we cannot keep pace with.
That obsession and insecurity which would rapidly evaluate if a loving woman embraced us nightly with our thighs has us confused and grasping for solutions - are we not masculine enough? Not 'dark triad' enough? Are we too effeminate?
Our lack of direction makes us grasp at straws on how to establish a masculinity that would impress a woman who would love us. We build our walls without gaps, nitpicking at the slightest possible weak point that could be used against us.
I think for this reason we collectively wall ourselves off even from stuff like a handshake and becoming friends with other men as human males did more readily in the past. It's a problem which compounds upon ourselves, because women ironically while judging men for a lack of masculine qualities also value men who are socially connected and have a network of friends/allies, so we become even less attractive to them because of our misguided efforts to impress them with fruitless stoicism and impotent independence.
- -
I value independence and stoicism more for their own sake these days than to impress women (because I know it's not enough) but I expect the reason I first embraced them as an ignorant pubescent teen was more for those reasons. Just like how now I love loli aesthetics for their own sake but originally I probably just used them as a coping "this is the only undefiled non-degenerate channel I have for my heterosexuality because I'm overwhelmed by the dirty sluttishness and apathetic misandry I've awakened to".
One of the difficulties I find is there's no clear or easy path out of this rut of isolation to build friendships because even if I change my perspective long enough to attempt it, the problem is so much broader than just myself, it extends to any possible friends I might make.
This is not just about paranoia about men who want to shake hands with men and engage in hobbies together, but about all kinds of social taboos everyone worries about. You don't want to be friends with that lolicon guy who thinks HS girls are cute, people might think that about you!
It's sort of like refusal to employ ex-cons, because you don't help people who need connection to find a constructive path in society establish those connections to make them a stable part of it. I completely understand the hesitancy and nobody should have a burden to be a hero an reach out, but I still lament the lack of an obvious solution.
- -
Getting back to the topic title - those of who who recognize the problem and want to strategically solve it by building those lost human skills with people of like mind we feel we could genuinely connect with (like I think some of us feel for fellow forum members) - we could not realistically do that.
Any meeting would be lurked-upon, infiltrated, people would get dox'd by IT, blackmailed by the FBI, etc. Even if 100% of us only wanted to just meet up and shake hands with our fellow incels to try and become "more human", that opportunity would be denied to us. They'd paint it like we're meeting up to plan a terrorist attack or some bullshit.
- -
I think we know that, that ostracisim and hatred, so we don't even fathom an event like that. It feels cucked to make that decision out of fear, so to cope and avoid feeling like cucks, we tell ourselves we don't even want to shake each other's hand, that it's gay to want to shake hands with men.
I don't think it's us who are sexualizing these things. It is the mockery of the non-Chad male which does this. Which makes us overly paranoid of being othered, of being devaluaed, because we lack the flexibility to deal with that.
- -
We are not watered daily by the moist vagina and (more importantly) emotional love of a woman who returns our affections, so if our ego is a tree, as we are dehydrated dead husks, our trunk is rigid, unbending, we are not willows who can bend, but neglected corpses infested with termites who might easily catch fire from a lightning strike.
Does someone want this of us? Even the steps we could make to improve ourselves without women, they don't want the "homosociality" which could make us more stable people able to last longer and be more productive in society.
Do some people want this conflict? Are they sadists who delight in boxing us off so that any time we begin to feel bonds and want to build a community, that they must destroy the potential of that community because they do not hold authority over it?
