It blows my mind that there are a lot of people here who actually think tall UGLY ogres "mog" shorter pretty boys.

[Ryo_Hazuki]

A lot of people here would unironically rather be a 6'5 horse faced high T sub4 ogre with "muh big dik" and "muh large frame" than a 5'8 pretty boy with a full head of hair, compact midface, (but a smaller frame, small dick, etc.). A lot of guys would argue the former "mogs" the latter....when in reality women would date the latter but not the former.

Sure, the sub4 6'5 ugly ogre might intimidate other men, but he's going to die a truecel, so who cares? It's just cope.

 

[Romello Gaghan 2]

Nah 6'5 can cut it. Super tall TJ "the amazing atheist" Kirk is a shining example of this; has had numerous sex partners and at least 2 wives despite looking like

.
I realize he's fat and not sub 4 but is still an Ok example.
Short pretty boys are in trouble in many aspects of life. They get laid just fine but idk if I'd trade places with one if I was a massive ogrecel. Truly couldn't say. Have to walk in their shoes I guess. Are you an ogrecel OP?

 

[Mainländer]

I believe those people are gay deep down, because they care more about what other men think of them than about actually fucking and getting relationships with women.

Fuck intimidating other men. I would rather be disrespected by all men because I'm short and frail but have a cute HQLP JB girlfriend who was crazy about me than "intimidating" other men in my way home to fap to porn.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Ugly ogre mogs equally ugly manlet, but yeah the ogre definitely doesn't mog a pretty boy

 

[mylifeistrash]

A lot of people here would unironically rather be a 6'5 horse faced high T sub4 ogre with "muh big dik" and "muh large frame" than a 5'8 pretty boy with a full head of hair, compact midface, (but a smaller frame, small dick, etc.). A lot of guys would argue the former "mogs" the latter....when in reality women would date the latter but not the former.

Sure, the sub4 6'5 ugly ogre might intimidate other men, but he's going to die a truecel, so who cares? It's just cope.

I meet a lot of tall skinny ones at 6'4 or taller while playing basketball. About 90% are below average looking facially and have at least one facial deformity.

Most of narrow lower jaw and long face. I think when you're that tall, your jaws just can't keep up with your upper skull growth.

The same genes that make you tall also make your face look fucked up. Most of the NBA is ugly as fuck.

There's a few rare exception but they're 1 out of 10,000+.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

You are of course correct, but the reason for this is simple; almost all men - even incels-, are biologically wired to worship masculinity, this is an incredibly stupid evolutionary phenomenon.

It is, on the one hand, a superiority complex; some average and taller incels cannot bring themselves to feel envy for someone shorter than them, someone they consider their inferior. On the other hand, short incels who perceive height as the be-all-end all of female attraction (due to its overt affect on their own lives) are so caught up in a this belief and the ensuing desire to be taller and more masculine that they are blind to all evidence to its contrary.

 

[NoMoreSlaving]

dickpill is legit though

if you don't have a big dick she will find someone else who does

 

[zangano1]

Face is the most important thing in life by far. It's just manlets coping that say that tallcel is volcel

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Are you an ogrecel OP?

Yes bro.

I've gotten a lot of surgery and don't look quite as ogreish. But before I got any surgery I was a turbo ogre. I naturally have a serial killer, neanderthal phenotype. I've been told I look "scary" many times. Back in high school everyone said I looked like a caveman.

 

[Napoleon de Nascar]

I fear short prettyboys a lot. Im my path they were even bigger competition than chads

 

[Tempus Edax Rerum]

Face is the most important thing in life by far. It's just manlets coping that say that tallcel is volcel

You don't know the struggle of being a 5'8 androgebous vegan manlet.

Even fat, red haired feminists are more respected than us.

 

[Romello Gaghan 2]

Yes bro.

I've gotten a lot of surgery and don't look quite as ogreish. But before I got any surgery I was a turbo ogre. I naturally have a serial killer, neanderthal phenotype. I've been told I look "scary" many times. Back in high school everyone said I looked like a caveman.

Lots of guys would be jealous of that reputation bro. Hope you realize that. But I'm happy you're looking better to yourself now, if only slightly.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

I'll always maintain height + frame > face.

If you're short you're friendzoned & assumed to be a faggot.

 

[Deleted member 14805]

I'm sort of iffy on this. I think most women will pass up short pretty boys with small dicks and ugly tall men with large dicks due to the fact that they only have 1 or 2 of the 3 things women want in men in terms of physical appearance. Women want Tall, Attractive men with large cocks. Having only 1 or 2 of the 3 is going to be off putting to many women.

Just my two cents though.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

You don't know the struggle of being a 5'8 androgebous vegan manlet.

Even fat, red haired feminists are more respected than us.

Exactly this.

I'm sort of iffy on this. I think most women will pass up short pretty boys with small dicks and ugly tall men with large dicks due to the fact that they only have 1 or 2 of the 3 things women want in men in terms of physical appearance. Women want Tall, Attractive men with large cocks. Having only 1 or 2 of the 3 is going to be off putting to many women.

Just my two cents though.

2/3 ain't bad.

 

[Angry_runt]

 

[Sans]

I’d much rather be a pretty boy than who I am now. I don’t care if it sounds gay, it would be nice, at least I wouldn’t be ugly, just low T.

 

[Pinpoint]

True sexual market value is determined vastly by the amount of pedigree points you have.
Tallness is had by a lot of niggers, old ugly guys (by women's views)
But tall guys can't have refined cheeks, good noses, good eyes, good facial structure. Every good faciality is worth the same points as height to a lot of women in this age.
Christian Bale would mog any nigger in his prime and he's like 6' flat. Idgaf what copers think as if we are dealing with the brand of primality from 20k years ago. We have primality today but it's been mutated into something almsot different.
Where having finesse is more important than ferocitymaxxing.

Pedigree > Practical power. In a lot of cases.
The world isn't seen like some raw competitive arena like dragon ball z. Women see things in shades of power/ pedigree/ distinction.

 

[TheReaper]

yes you're right but
the lack of masculinity in western men is a plague.
so everyone who embraces his manliness and wants to be stronger has my full approval.

 

[Pinpoint]

I’d much rather be a pretty boy than who I am now. I don’t care if it sounds gay, it would be nice, at least I wouldn’t be ugly, just low T.

This forum upholds masculinity too much because most people are narrow-viewed in their perspectives of attractive. It's way too conventional here because all of you guys are still gripping at the basics.
Yes taller is better than shorter (6'4+ can be too tall. 6'7 at the most).
But girls want pedigree sculpt points because there's a larger halo effect to be had. Being a genetic powerhouse sometimes seems like life is too easy for girls. Girls want someone who is in the arena of adventure, and not just god mode in some cases. though I'd say it breaks even in that case.
Your personality/ life experience is distinct based on your distinct unchangeable elements. And that's how you are characterized.

 

[Tempus Edax Rerum]

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[Pinpoint]

You are of course correct, but the reason for this is simple; almost all men - even incels-, are biologically wired to worship masculinity, this is an incredibly stupid evolutionary phenomenon.

It is, on the one hand, a superiority complex; some average and taller incels cannot bring themselves to feel envy for someone shorter than them, someone they consider their inferior. On the other hand, short incels who perceive height as the be-all-end all of female attraction (due to its overt affect on their own lives) are so caught up in a this belief and the ensuing desire to be taller and more masculine that they are blind to all evidence to its contrary.

Actually that depends mostly on the person.
A lot of girls are turning to androgyny and sophistication. But you still need to be attractive and have glamor to it. Nothing excuses having primitive facial features.
High class sculpt/ pedigree > Height/ raw power.
Being a powerhouse is straightforward. People are more sensationalistic and abstract now.
But that doesn't mean we're any less primal or hierarchal. It's not a binary of masculine - attractive and beta - unattractive. There's different shades to this.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I’d much rather be a pretty boy than who I am now. I don’t care if it sounds gay, it would be nice, at least I wouldn’t be ugly, just low T.

I legit wanted to be a pretty boy when I was a teenager, all the teenage foids loved them.

 

[Pinpoint]

By the logic of fucktards on this forum christian bale will get mogged by a street nigger who is 6'3. pfft

 

[AsiaCel]

Robust chad>Prettyboy>ogrecel>nerdcel

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

Actually that depends mostly on the person.
A lot of girls are turning to androgyny and sophistication. But you still need to be attractive and have glamor to it. Nothing excuses having primitive facial features.
High class sculpt/ pedigree > Height/ raw power.
Being a powerhouse is straightforward. People are more sensationalistic and abstract now.
But that doesn't mean we're any less primal or hierarchal. It's not a binary of masculine - attractive and beta - unattractive. There's different shades to this.

I agree with you. What I said does not contradict this, I am speaking of why some males, specifically incels, still believe that being an ogre is more attractive to a female than a short pretty boy.

There are different shades as to why women require more in a man than brute masculinity in order to feel attraction, but the reason why men cannot understand why women think like this is because they worship only masculinity and cannot understand why women covet different shades of what makes a man attractive, as you mentioned.

 

[Honeypot]

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That's before University, in University or adulthood after 20s a pretty boy does nothing, the first 3 example are proof of this, the 4th guy is just foid negative IQ a prettyboy can mog a tallfag if the tallfag is sitting once the tallfag stands up he becomes incel, literally that's how foid brain works.

 

[Themisanthropicones]

A lot of people here would unironically rather be a 6'5 horse faced high T sub4 ogre with "muh big dik" and "muh large frame" than a 5'8 pretty boy with a full head of hair, compact midface, (but a smaller frame, small dick, etc.). A lot of guys would argue the former "mogs" the latter....when in reality women would date the latter but not the former.

Sure, the sub4 6'5 ugly ogre might intimidate other men, but he's going to die a truecel, so who cares? It's just cope.

Agreed there seems to be a lot of idle worship on here for 6'5 not realizing that you must also have all the other things that attract being like that doesn't count for shit without the other attributes,I'll even admit that generally taller 6'0 plus is more sought out by females but that is only the model
types that have the total package.

 

[Captvic]

exactly.

im basically a tall ogre and girls still don't like me because face > height

 

[Themisanthropicones]

I believe those people are gay deep down, because they care more about what other men think of them than about actually fucking and getting relationships with women.

Fuck intimidating other men. I would rather be disrespected by all men because I'm short and frail but have a cute HQLP JB girlfriend who was crazy about me than "intimidating" other men in my way home to fap to porn.

Intimidating other men really that depends in my experience its those types that get confronted and challenged the most often because people that can actually fight and look for that don't care about vertical height.

 

[TheRealChincel]

exactly.

im basically a tall ogre and girls still don't like me because face > height

 

[Honeypot]

A lot of people here would unironically rather be a 6'5 horse faced high T sub4 ogre with "muh big dik" and "muh large frame" than a 5'8 pretty boy with a full head of hair, compact midface, (but a smaller frame, small dick, etc.). A lot of guys would argue the former "mogs" the latter....when in reality women would date the latter but not the former.

Sure, the sub4 6'5 ugly ogre might intimidate other men, but he's going to die a truecel, so who cares? It's just cope.

I doubt a 5'8 would get something after his 20s, even 8/10+ faced manlet movie celebrities get ridiculed when some of their foid fans see them IRL.

 

[Themisanthropicones]

dickpill is legit though

if you don't have a big dick she will find someone else who does

Actually females have been asked this exact question numerous times an always say they prefer an average size over an abnormal sized.

 

[mylifeistrash]

Actually that depends mostly on the person.
A lot of girls are turning to androgyny and sophistication. But you still need to be attractive and have glamor to it. Nothing excuses having primitive facial features.
High class sculpt/ pedigree > Height/ raw power.
Being a powerhouse is straightforward. People are more sensationalistic and abstract now.
But that doesn't mean we're any less primal or hierarchal. It's not a binary of masculine - attractive and beta - unattractive. There's different shades to this.

Counterpoint: women are so big, fat and masculine these days they may actually want a big ogre just to make them feel... like women

 

[Themisanthropicones]

I'll always maintain height + frame > face.

If you're short you're friendzoned & assumed to be a faggot.

You don't maintain height you either have it or you don't and by short what do you mean like under 5'8 because I've seen plenty of guys at that height or a little above with 9/10 females its only the ultra superficial ones that care about that.

 

[MarriedAndLookin4Fun]

tbh being a 6'5 gymcel with a large frame and big dick would be a great choice if it wasnt for the sub4 face ngl. Literally one single feature can destroy you as a man

 

[quinn24]

imagine what knajjd could do if he had 6 more inches of height

 

[Deleted member 10124]

You don't maintain height you either have it or you don't and by short what do you mean like under 5'8 because I've seen plenty of guys at that height or a little above with 9/10 females its only the ultra superficial ones that care about that.

I haven't. Yes under that height as well. 5,8ft is 2-3 inches under the average.

imagine what knajjd could do if he had 6 more inches of height

This.

 

[NoMoreSlaving]

Actually females have been asked this exact question numerous times an always say they prefer an average size over an abnormal sized.

Females have been asked if they would rather have a kind, loving looksmatch instead of an abusive asshole chad as well. Take a guess who they say they want, but never actually choose

 

[Themisanthropicones]

I haven't. Yes under that height as well. 5,8ft is 2-3 inches under the average.


This.

Average is 5'10 in North America.

Females have been asked if they would rather have a kind, loving looksmatch instead of an abusive asshole chad as well. Take a guess who they say they want, but never actually choose

So you think they would like a foot long blackzilla.

 

[Hate_my_life]

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[Pinpoint]

Counterpoint: women are so big, fat and masculine these days they may actually want a big ogre just to make them feel... like women

lol why do you think they became big fat and masculine.

 

[mylifeistrash]

lol why do you think they became big fat and masculine.

everyone is getting fat

supposedly white foids are getting taller

 

[Pinpoint]

everyone is getting fat

supposedly white foids are getting taller

you think the xeno-estrogens or stimulants in our food are causing that to happen?

Females have been asked if they would rather have a kind, loving looksmatch instead of an abusive asshole chad as well. Take a guess who they say they want, but never actually choose

human subconscious puts way more emphasis on pain aversion and image protection than thinking about what they're protecting themselves against.
So people are not even conscientious when they're lying most of the time.

 

[Deleted member 14866]

I wonder what chico lachowski’s T count is.

 

[Looksmaxxcel]

I got the worst of both worlds. I'm slightly under 6ft but I'm a large-framed ugly ogre with a caveman monobrow. I look like white trash, according to what some people have said.

Being a prettyboy would be a huge step up from what I am, but I would prefer to increase my facial attractiveness to be a dom chad over a prettyboy. Dom chads have the best of both worlds it seems.

 

[Haywire]

dickpill is legit though

if you don't have a big dick she will find someone else who does

isnt just size you also need to know how to use it and last long enough... its insane how much men have to do to try to please those cunts.

 

[VirginAutistManlet]

Having good looking face as a manlet is like eating lots of protein, but not lifting weights, he'll got no results.

Having height with a ugly face is like lifting weights, but not eating any protein, he'll still at least get decent results.

 

[Looksmaxxcel]

isnt just size you also need to know how to use it and last long enough... its insane how much men have to do to try to please those cunts.

It doesn't matter if women won't fuck you anyway, JFL. It's a nice cope though if you have a big dick. Feels great to know that you're bigger than the guys that girls are with.

If I was more attractive, I would become a bull and cuck prettyboys.

 

[Deleted member 16455]

i wouldnt mind being 5'7 with knajjd's face