Discussion Is white skin INHERENTLY more attractive - I don't think there is any solid data behind this idea

[K9Otaku]

Today, the whole world worships the white man. So, of course, everyone is going to say that they find white skinned people more attractive (halo effect, etc)

In such conditions, it is impossible to obtain reliable data from people living today about whether white skin is INHERENTLY more attractive (independent of any cultural/historical biases). Data from the past is scarce, very mixed and hard to interpret.

Some people claim studies have been done with babies, but I am really not convinced such studies can be done reliably.

 

[Oroborus]

It's not, bones are all that matters

 

[Schery6]

White Skin is more visually appealing to the eye, I don't have any fag studies to back it up though.

 

[K9Otaku]

White Skin is more visually appealing to the eye, I don't have any fag studies to back it up though.

How can you tell, then (without those "fag studies") that your subjective aesthetic impression is not influenced by the prestige of white skin? After all, between 1750 and 1950, whites beat the crap out of everyone. Then they invented nukes, incinerated us (the Japs) to make a demonstration, and went on to step on the Moon.

That sure is a pretty strong halo effect, isn't it?

 

[Made in Heaven]

White Skin is more visually appealing to the eye, I don't have any fag studies to back it up though.

This. It's so obvious It's hilarious how there are shit skins on this forum that still want to deny it.

white/pink is the color of purity and roses

brown is the color of shit and mud.

It's not that deep. Humans are simple creatures

It's not, bones are all that matters

Bone and skin color BOTH matter. When someone is designing a fictional character, they focus BOTH on the shape and color scheme of the character to make them appealing to audiences. Same applies to real life.

Today, the whole world worships the white man. So, of course, everyone is going to say that they find white skinned people more attractive (halo effect, etc)

In such conditions, it is impossible to obtain reliable data from people living today about whether white skin is INHERENTLY more attractive (independent of any cultural/historical biases). Data from the past is scarce, very mixed and hard to interpret.

Some people claim studies have been done with babies, but I am really not convinced such studies can be done reliably.

Literally any land you go to 1000, 2000, or 3000 years ago, you will see worship of white skin. The whitest people in ANY land, from Italy to Persia to India to China, have been adored.

 

[JayGoptri]

Some people claim studies have been done with babies, but I am really not convinced such studies can be done reliably.

All stereotypes are true, except... II: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Is beauty in the eye of the beholder?

www.psychologytoday.com

"The baby studies" made popular here ^

I generally, from my experiences and observation, I see that beauty is innate and (for the most part) transcends most cultural and social boundries. But I am also willing to concede that perceptions of beauty are nevertheless somewhat subjective, however again, I think that only applied "within" a certain range of aesthetically pleasing faces and bodies. Outside of that range, ugliness is unmistakable.

As far as white skin being "preferred", I believe as you might agree, that is influenced by the coincidental societal success of European and Western nations, and so white people are worshipped for that reason. I don't think that in every comparison simply having white skin would make a person more attractive physically, if compared to a brown skinned foid with good looks. However, I do think that in general, white people were thought to be more trust worthy due to the success they had achieved in the past.

 

[K9Otaku]

This. It's so obvious It's hilarious how there are shit skins on this forum that still want to deny it.

white/pink is the color of purity and roses

brown is the color of shit and mud.

It's not that deep. Humans are simple creatures

That is entirely subjective. You are expressing a feeling here, nothing more. Feelings are notoriously influenced by halo effects (like the "bad/good personality" resulting from ugliness/handsomeness)

 

[Ehwhatever]

Not even touching this while I'm drinking. I doubt you'd actually find any studies on it unfortunately. It's taboo to point out any differences between races, especially if ethnics are found to be inferior in some way.

I'd point out that historically light skin, at least in women, has been preferable in most cultures. As for men? Can't think of any cases off the top of my head. It's usually tall dark and handsome in many cultures. I.e.,the opposite of me.

 

[K9Otaku]

All stereotypes are true, except... II: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Is beauty in the eye of the beholder?

www.psychologytoday.com

"The baby studies" made popular here ^

The guy mentions "studies" but does not cite his sources.

Also, how do you know that the baby is not influenced by people around him (who are giving off unconscious clues of who they like)

Also, how do you explain that the standards of beauty changed over time. What was considered beautiful in the 20s or in the gilded age was quite different from modern standards.

If you go back even further, you see that painters represented "beauty" in ways we find quite strange. For example, Rubens painted nude female models that would be considered close to landwhales today.

 

[Made in Heaven]

That is entirely subjective.

It's not subjective, schitzo. White is the color of purity. FACT. Brown is the color of shit. FACT. There's nothing subjective about that.

You are expressing a feeling here, nothing more.

Feelings exist for a reason. Humans for 1000s of years have adored white skin.

Feelings are notoriously influenced by halo effects (like the "bad/good personality" resulting from ugliness/handsomeness)

And white skin is a positive halo effect. Look how happy this Indian woman is her child isn't cursed to be a shitskin

Not even touching this while I'm drinking. I doubt you'd actually find any studies on it unfortunately. It's taboo to point out any differences between races, especially if ethnics are found to be inferior in some way.

I'd point out that historically light skin, at least in women, has been preferable in most cultures. As for men? Can't think of any cases off the top of my head. It's usually tall dark and handsome in many cultures. I.e.,the opposite of me.

Light skin was historically also prefered for men, the tall dark handsome shit just means a simple tan, not being fully brown-dirareah color

White VS Tan VS Brown VS Black

 

[K9Otaku]

As for men? ... It's usually tall dark and handsome in many cultures. I.e.,the opposite of me.

 

[JayGoptri]

The guy mentions "studies" but does not cite his sources.

I know. It's not a great article. There were many like it and not all points were proveable.

Also, how do you know that the baby is not influenced by people around him (who are giving off unconscious clues of who they like).

Agreed, maybe can be the case in terms of influence.

Also, how do you explain that the standards of beauty changed over time. What was considered beautiful in the 20s or in the gilded age was quite different from modern standards.

Hmm. I disagree with this. I think that what was beautiful in the 20's and Gilded age generally (facial feature wise) matches what I would be attracted to today, in terms of white or Anglo Saxon faces. They may have dressed their faces differently, but attractive is more innate and easier for me to point out.

For example:
In the shitty show "The Gilded Age" which is now airing, you can see that the characters of Marian Brook and Bertha Russel are sexy (in their faces at least). Although they wear their hair and clothes and makeup quote different, they have the baseline for good looking. The actress Carrie Coon (Bertha Russel) especially is hauntingly sexy.

But them again, perhaps their success and wealth and culture makes the attraction a bit stronger.

If you go back even further, you see that painters represented "beauty" in ways we find quite strange. For example, Rubens painted nude female models that would be considered close to landwhales today.

I clarified my general position by adding more after editing.

 

[K9Otaku]

It's not subjective, schitzo. White is the color of purity. FACT. Brown is the color of shit. FACT. There's nothing subjective about that.

It is subjective, moron. "White is the color of purity. FACT. Brown is the color of shit. FACT." is correct of course. But the link between that and our perception of skin color is subjective. White is also the color of many repulsive things: insect larvae, toxic mushrooms, ghosts, etc, while brown is the color of many nice things: tree bark, chocolate, coffee, etc. White is also the color of death in many East Asian culture.

Feelings exist for a reason. Humans for 1000s of years have adored white skin.

Evidence ?

And white skin is a positive halo effect. Look how happy this Indian woman is her child isn't cursed to be a shitskin
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Light skin was historically also prefered for men, the tall dark handsome shit just means a simple tan, not being fully brown-dirareah color

White VS Tan VS Brown VS Black

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Multiplying images is no proof. It is just an appeal to feelings. The feeling is real. I do not dispute that.

What I am asking here is the CAUSE of this feeling: is it INHERENT (genetic) or cultural (halo effect)? You have not answered that question, so far.

 

[JayGoptri]

It's not subjective, schitzo. White is the color of purity. FACT. Brown is the color of shit. FACT. There's nothing subjective about that.

Wrong. White is the color associated with success in culture and achievements. Therefore you THINK it's purity.

Feelings exist for a reason. Humans for 1000s of years have adored white skin.

And white skin is a positive halo effect. Look how happy this Indian woman is her child isn't cursed to be a shitskin
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We are in India. We see this all the time. There are multiple things going on. In comes circles, when there is a skin pigmentation disorder, it brings shame to the family. She might just be happy with her baby in general. But - I'll let @K9Otaku explain it. He might be able to provide a better explanation.

 

[K9Otaku]

Hmm. I disagree with this. I think that what was beautiful in the 20's and Gilded age generally (facial feature wise) matches what I would be attracted to today, in terms of white or Anglo Saxon faces. They may have dressed their faces differently, but attractive is more innate and easier for me to point out.

For example:
In the shitty show "The Gilded Age" which is now airing, you can see that the characters of Marian Brook and Bertha Russel are sexy (in their faces at least). Although they wear their hair and clothes and makeup quote different, they have the baseline for good looking. The actress Carrie Coon (Bertha Russel) especially is hauntingly sexy.

A Modern show about the gilded age. Of course they are going to select actors according to modern standards, not those of the time.

Look this up. It is the result of an image query on Google for "gilded age beauties". Very few look appealing to us today. In particular, it is evident that the 1900s beauty standards favored round faces while we favor much sharper cheek bones.

 

[Ehwhatever]

Light skin was historically also prefered for men, the tall dark handsome shit just means a simple tan

True, but pasty white wasn't considered a good look as far as I'm aware. I'm thinking of Roman and Greek culture where they have olive skin anyways. I know light skin was associated with high status everywhere but not aesthetically appealing per se.

Heck, Shakespeare wrote Othello, which was pretty much about a Tyrone stealing some white guys oneitis. Sounds like a modern day romance novel way ahead of it's time. I feel like shit skins used to have an exotic appeal more than today

 

[K9Otaku]

Heck, Shakespeare wrote Othello, which was pretty much about a Tyrone stealing some white guys oneitis. Sounds like a modern day romance novel way ahead of it's time. I feel like shit skins used to have an exotic appeal more than today

Excellent observation

Also, Catherine the Great of Russia fucked her black page, if I am not mistaken

 

[CIA nigger]

as someone already said brown is the colour of shit

 

[K9Otaku]

as someone already said brown is the colour of shit

And of Chocolate. I LIKE chocolate ...

 

[JayGoptri]

as someone already said brown is the colour of shit

So insightful and revealing. Thanks

 

[Made in Heaven]

"White is the color of purity. FACT. Brown is the color of shit. FACT." is correct of course.

Good you admit it.

But White is also the color of many repulsive things: insect larvae, toxic mushrooms, ghosts, etc, while brown is the color of many nice things: tree bark, chocolate, coffee, etc. White is also the color of death in many East Asian culture.

Maybe so, but humans still associate whiteness more with light, clouds, or snow FAR more than they do with larvae or mushrooms, things that mind you dont even exist across the whole world.

Tree Bark is the only thing that's brown nice thing. Choco and coffee are just man-made.

What I am asking here is the CAUSE of this feeling: is it INHERENT (genetic) or cultural (halo effect)? You have not answered that question, so far.

Yes. People tend to be dark skinned when they are lower class and white skinned when they are higher class cause high-class people had castles to avoid tanning while peasants turned brown while farming in the sun. So that is a cultural factor.

There is also inherent factor since white skin corelates with higher IQ, better civilizations, and so on. White skin is also genetically better because you can more easily see diseases and wounds on white skin VS dark skin.

Wrong. White is the color associated with success in culture and achievements. Therefore you THINK it's purity.

Nope. Read any ancient scripture from Egypt to Japan, and they always associate white with purity

We are in India. We see this all the time. There are multiple things going on. In comes circles, when there is a skin pigmentation disorder, it brings shame to the family. She might just be happy with her baby in general. But - I'll let @K9Otaku explain it. He might be able to provide a better explanation.

lol what is this cope? We're well aware how much indians love white skin, yet you want to cope that m-muh albino Indians are not worshipped!!! Albino indians literally look like Nords. You're plain delusional if you think Indians aren't happy to be albinos

True, but pasty white wasn't considered a good look as far as I'm aware. I'm thinking of Roman and Greek culture where they have olive skin anyways. I know light skin was associated with high status everywhere but not aesthetically appealing per se.

Olive skin and brown skin are not the same.

Heck, Shakespeare wrote Othello, which was pretty much about a Tyrone stealing some white guys oneitis. Sounds like a modern day romance novel way ahead of it's time.

did Shakespeare even know about negroes existing?

I feel like shit skins used to have an exotic appeal more than today

Maybe some caramel-colored Arabs did, but Indians or Africans never ever.

 

[CIA nigger]

And of Chocolate

white chocolate tastes good and looks better

 

[JayGoptri]

A Modern show about the gilded age. Of course they are going to select actors according to modern standards, not those of the time.

I should clarify my statement and say for body, I feel it's more clear cut. For faces, I still feel personally there are distinct features which are just more pleasing.

Look this up. It is the result of an image query on Google for "gilded age beauties". Very few look appealing to us today. In particular, it is evident that the 1900s beauty standards favored round faces while we favor much sharper cheek bones.

The "Cleveland" woman is pretty. The other photos, yes I see what you mean, though I do find some of their faces "attractive" in general. In some other photos, the images are too gritty for me to surmise anything concrete. But I see what you mean of course, a few of them look like men and not so appealing.

 

[K9Otaku]

Maybe so, but humans still associate whiteness more with light, clouds, or snow

Evidence ? The problem here is the word "more".

FAR more than they do with larvae or mushrooms, things that mind you dont even exist across the whole world.

larvae and mushrooms do exist across the world, except perhaps in Antarctica.

Tree Bark is the only thing that's brown nice thing. Choco and coffee are just man-made.

So what? They have existed for 1000s of years. Many edible vegetables also have brown skins, like potatoes or manioc. Also the fur of many animals. Do we say "a chocolate Labrador" or "a shit Labrador"?

Yes. People tend to be dark skinned when they are lower class and white skinned when they are higher class cause high-class people had castles to avoid tanning while peasants turned brown while farming in the sun. So that is a cultural factor.

Yes

There is also inherent factor since white skin corelates with higher IQ, better civilizations, and so on.

What? How is that inherent? This correlation only exists because white people impressed the shit out of everyone in the last 200 years.

White skin is also genetically better because you can more easily see diseases and wounds on white skin VS dark skin.

What? White skin is an adaptation to cold climates. If you live in a sunny climate, white skin gets you skin cancer.

Nope. Read any ancient scripture from Egypt to Japan, and they always associate white with purity

Or death.

did Shakespeare even know about negroes existing?

He did. He called them "Ethiopians". They were know under that name since the Romans.

Maybe some caramel-colored Arabs did, but Indians or Africans never ever.

This is incorrect. In the 18th century, every aristocratic household had an African page, almost as an exotic pet (many also had monkeys or parrots). Quite a number of high society ladies (I mentioned Catherine the Great of Russia) fucked their negro servants. Everyone was well aware of their ding-dong size.

 

[JayGoptri]

Nope. Read any ancient scripture from Egypt to Japan, and they always associate white with purity.

White is associated with purity as a color. But white skin is associated with "better" because of cultural and other achievements. Hence they are generally more "trustworthy", initially at first glance.

lol what is this cope? We're well aware how much indians love white skin, yet you want to cope that m-muh albino Indians are not worshipped!!! Albino indians literally look like Nords. You're plain delusional if you think Indians aren't happy to be albinos.

Indians from India are initially impressed by white skin BECAUSE of the achievements of Western culture. I don't think it's because of the skin by itself. If white people's cultural associations were not tied to success and achivement, but instead crime and failure, you would have less worship of the white man probably. Also, try and respond to the content instead of using ad hominem attacks. It's not my "cope". I'm from America, almost all my daily associations were with white people. I'm not some newbie redpilled tyke trying to deny that my skin color is less preferred than white skin. I probably made all these realisations when you were in still in elementary school or learning how to pee in the toilet. Be careful.

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Olive skin and brown skin are not the same.

Your sending me pics of a brown women holding a white kid. Yes she is smiling. But brown women holding brown kids smile too. Just as much or more.

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I don't understand what the purposes of this one is. Is he your bff?

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did Shakespeare even know about negroes existing?

I think he may have known there are darker and darker skinned people to the south of him, yes.

Maybe some caramel-colored Arabs did, but Indians or Africans never ever.

Non-sequitur point. Are you trying to say that Indians and Africans didn't know of white people? I don't understand.

 

[Ehwhatever]

Olive skin and brown skin are not the same.

I'm well aware. Simply stating that I don't know the historical beauty standards of full white or ethnic cultures. And yes Shakespeare sadly knew about niggers. He was oddly graphic about a black ram tupping his white ewe

 

[K9Otaku]

I'm well aware. Simply stating that I don't know the historical beauty standards of full white or ethnic cultures. And yes Shakespeare sadly knew about niggers. He was oddly graphic about a black ram tupping his white ewe

Priceless

 

[SoloAlex]

Today, the whole world worships the white man.

Lol. Liberals and leftis shit on whites all the time. Being black is cool nowadays

 

[K9Otaku]

Lol. Liberals and leftis shit on whites all the time. Being black is cool nowadays

It is a farce, and a way to divert attention.

Why do you think libtards virtue-signal so hard? Because they want to be super angelic-class perfect whites.

 

[übertard]

Historically (talking ancient times) white skin was always seen as attractive on women, in pretty much all of Europe and Asia. Idk about men though

 

[K9Otaku]

Historically (talking ancient times) white skin was always seen as attractive on women, in pretty much all of Europe and Asia. Idk about men though

It seems to be the case, yes, but these are countries where almost everyone had white skin.

In India, it is clear that there is a preference for white skin today, but it is unclear how far back this goes in time. For example, Krishna, the main Avatar of Vishnu in Indian mythology is called "the dark" (it is what his name means)

 

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[TheDarkEnigma]

To ethnic foids, being white with colored eyes is seen as a high status symbol, so of course they'll be keen on having mutt breed children.

 

[nice_try]

Fact is: Most people see white skin as most attractive.
Why?
Who cares.

 

[TheNEET]

Slavs are as white as it gets often (well, there are some gypsy-looking niggers, I'd say there are subraces, but the typical Polish pheno is light-brown hair, skin naturally very pale, only a level higher than gingers and light blondes, i. e. type II in Fitzpatrick scale, and blue-grayish eyes), but we're considered utter subhumans and not really white, cos negative cultural halo. I have a Germanic name and I speak both Dutch and German (better or worse), so I had situations where people assumed I was some kinda Germanic and they respected me, and immediately started shitting on me once they learned I'm Polish, so the cultural halo also plays a part: a Slav may look exactly like a Germanic/Romance guy, but his culture is a massive failo (I thought about just lying about my background, but I may slip my accent when I lose focus).

Besides, weren't there a bunch of studies saying foids prefer dark skin? I'm not saying straight-up brown, but I think the tanned-white Mediterranean look is considered the best, the stereotypical slayer of Polish foids is a Spaniard, alternatively a Frenchman or an Italian guy. I think at some point white skin becomes a failo (except if you're going for a full prettyboy kpop look), like in my teens I made a conscious decision to become pale, I've been using the strongest sunscreen whenever I go out in the sun, I use peelings with fruit acids which make your skin lighter (the classic lemon juice cope) and I even used pretty strong skin whitening creams at some point (they're pretty expensive and the effect is not significant, so I don't use them anymore). When you look at my photos from childhood, I had no trouble getting tanned, I easily achieved the peachy sun-kissed look without any burning, but it's my esthetic choice to be pale. I prefer the way I look now, thanks to avoiding sun I don't really age, I have no wrinkles, and any scars from acne period nicely faded out, so now I pretty much have the perfect pale k-pop skin (well, some BB cream is useful, but all these stars use makeup and good lighting). I love the way I look now, but I've been getting a lot of hate for that: people constantly accused me of looking weak, sickly etc. and even suggested I had shit genes and couldn't handle sun, not realizing I go out of my way to look like that.

 

[starcrapoo]

Before I was blackpilled, I truly did not care about skin color. A foid was a foid to me and I don't suck up to white people unlike most people. Because I am an intelligent individual and I can think for myself.

In retrospect, I vastly underestimated people especially foids. My aspergers may have some to do with it...

Listen here, PEOPLE in general ESPECIALLY foids, worship whiteness and the White male. If you don't understand this fact or don't accept it as a fact for what it is, then you are not blackpilled. You are in a situation where you are sticking your head in the sand.

Foids have white males in their minds 24/7. They have the white lifestyle, white shopping and dining areas, and white neighborhoods in mind. Its the absolute minimum to get foids in today's world. I get literally zero matches on the dating apps as a rice male as well as zero attention in real life. I'm completely invisible. Surely, I think if you were at least a 5'7 to 5'11+ white guy, at the VERY least, you could get one to several matches on the dating apps per year, and in real life, get some attention or opportunities here and there every once so often.

 

[K9Otaku]

Fact is: Most people see white skin as most attractive.
Why?

Because the whole world worships the white man (see below)

 

[K9Otaku]

Listen here, PEOPLE in general ESPECIALLY foids, worship whiteness and the White male.

Absolutely

 

[slimshady]

No. Foids are attracted to them because of other features like facial hair and bone structure. But in Ethnic countries like India and maybe korea, white skin definetely makes you more attractive

 

[Transcended Trucel]

 

[kaan]

If any white guy on earth (no matter how good looking) goes through skin pigment alteration like in tropic thunder, rating would drop by a minimum of 2 points.

Any shitskin curry lightens his skin, rating goes up by a minimum of 2 points.

 

[K9Otaku]

If any white guy on earth (no matter how good looking) goes through skin pigment alteration like in tropic thunder, rating would drop by a minimum of 2 points.

Any shitskin curry lightens his skin, rating goes up by a minimum of 2 points.

TODAY, yes. But has it always been like that? Is it INHERENTLY (genetically) like that?

 

[K9Otaku]

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Ok. Yes. Absolutely.

But is it cultural bias (white man worship) or INHERENT in our nature (genes)?

 

[JayGoptri]

It's true that the darker the skin, the generally less attractive it makes the other features seem. Before I came to live in India, I was less dark, and since then I'm slightly darker. (FYI- it took a whole year and a half for that change to happen) Of course when I explain this, I explain it as a "negative" or the vibe I give off would indicate that I don't like that fact. Nevertheless, the other positives of being here outweigh that but, this is how we know that dark skin people prefer to be light skinned. However before that point, I didn't care much because I wasn't dark as far as how dark it can get for South Asians.

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However, I also the renditions of the second row people look more appealing than the pastey white first row.

 

[JayGoptri]

If any white guy on earth (no matter how good looking) goes through skin pigment alteration like in tropic thunder, rating would drop by a minimum of 2 points.

Any shitskin curry lightens his skin, rating goes up by a minimum of 2 points.

This is mostly true but you have to also consider the persons face. People with good skin tone, if they artificially lighten it too much, it doesn't look right.

 

[JayGoptri]

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BUT..one other thing I have to ask about your photo here Mr. Trucel, what is it's source. Where did you pull this from?

And also, the people in the photos, are they all the same people? I seriously doubt it for the top two rows. They are just trying to make a point.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

BUT..one other thing I have to ask about your photo here Mr. Trucel, what is it's source. Where did you pull this from?

And also, the people in the photos, are they all the same people? I seriously doubt it for the top two rows. They are just trying to make a point.

I got it from here from some other poster. So unfortunately do not know the original source

 

[JayGoptri]

I got it from here from some other poster. So unfortunately do not know the original source

The point they are trying to make is accomplished BUT again- the features of the people (i.e. what makes us inclined to feel an attractive force when looking at them) are markedly different in the top two rows than the bottom two rows. They have not only chosen skin color to highlight, but also changed the people themselves.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

there are some gypsy-looking niggers, I'd say there are subraces

Gypsies aren't white, they are descendants of curries who got exiled.

 

[Misogynist Curry 卐]

In India, they say it's due to british colonization and prior to that every Indian found dark skin attractive. However, I don't find this theory genuine.