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Discussion Is life predetermined?

Not 100%

But it's major enough that not much you do matters
 
If life follows predetermined rules then yes.
 
Our lives are FULLY and COMPLETELY the outcome of the influence of biological programming (genetics) and social conditioning (environment).

The genetics and environment you would be born into (which are the ONLY variables that detERmine EVERY expERience you have in your life) are pre-detERmined, thERefore your entire life (and evERybody else’s) is pre-detERmined
They are very good arguments, but I think that conditionality is what determines the entirety of life.

Fundamental physics (quantum mechanics) is to this day indeterministic.
 
Yes it is imo. You can obviously do some drastic things on your own if you do it on purpose but your path is predestined by options you have and you will choose things that are easier for you and most important things in our lives are decided by others, outside of our control. I bet if we relived this life million times with no prior knowledge, we would do it all the same every time.
 
They are very good arguments, but I think that conditionality is what determines the entirety of life.

Fundamental physics (quantum mechanics) is to this day indeterministic.

something may “seem” random to us “from the outside,” when it’s actually deterministic in nature

not evERything is the way it appears to be.

“Cause and effect” is also a fundamental principle of physics.

The Big Bang and all the succeeding events in the univERse at all points in time/space (from start to finish) take place in accordance to the “cause and effect” principle, which im going to explain by using the mathematical “induction” process (which is obviously “in line” with fundamental physics, given that mathematics is the FOUNDATION and BASIS of physics: the fundamental laws of physics are primarily undERstood via mathematical equations) and by using the analogy of a domino sequence to help you conceptualize the topic in question.

The FIRST event (the falling of the FIRST domino) is the “cause” of the SECOND event (the “effect”: falling of the SECOND domino) WHICH ITSELF is the “cause” of the THIRD event (falling of the THIRD domino: the “effect”) so on and so forth.

Now let Each domino in the sequence represent an EVENT in the univERse. The vERy first domino in the sequence represents the vERy FIRST event in the univERse (the creation of the univERse itself: the “big bang”) and evERy successive domino CORRESPONDINGLY represents evERy successive event in the univERse following the “big bang”.

The Big Bang (the vERy FIRST event on the time/space continuum) “caused” the SECOND event in the univERse (the “effect”) WHICH ITSELF was the “cause” of the THIRD event in the univERse (the “effect”) WHICH ITSELF was the “cause” of the FOURTH event in the univERse (the “effect”) so on and so forth.

If you back along the sequence of domino’s, it can be noted that the falling of ALL the dominos “from and including” the SECOND domino ONWARDS, wE’Re CAUSED by the falling of the vERy FIRST domino

And if the vERy first domino fell DUE TO factors “OUT OF IT’S CONTROL” (“extERnal” factors: in this case, “extERnal” force being applied to it by a pERson, the wind etc), then it can be concluded that EVERY SINGLE domino FROM (and including) the FIRST domino UPTO (and including) the FINAL domino FELL due to “factor(s)” OUT OF THEIR CONTROL.

Likewise, If you go back along the chain of events to the “vERY FIRST” event on the time/space continuum (the CREATION of time/space itself during the BIG BANG: the “STARTING POINT” of the continuum itself), it can be noted that ALL events that followed on from the Big Bang wE’Re “CAUSED” by the Big Bang itself.

And considERing the FACT that the “event” of the BIG BANG ITSELF was OUT OF ANY HUMAN BEING’S CONTROL (NOT “caused” by any human being who has evER existed), it can be concluded that EVERY SINGLE “event” in the univERse FROM (and including) the vERy FIRST event in the univERse (the big bang) UPTO (and including) the LAST event in the univERse (which we can define as the last event to have occurred at whichevER point in time/space the obsERvER is obsERving from, given the fact that the univERse is “infinite”) was/is OUT OF ANYBODY’S CONTROL

Physics itself destroys the “free will” argument and ironically physics WOULDN’T even exist as a subject of knowledge IF univERse WASN’T detERministic.

Physics equations (which are used to mathematically DETERMINE what will be the “effect” of a particular “cause” EVERYWHERE/ALWAYS) only exist BECAUSE the univERse is DETERMINISTIC to begin with.

IF thERe WEREN’T UNIVERSAL “laws of physics” in accordance to which the univERse opERates, those equations would NEVER have even been dERived in the first place, because in a univERse of true “randomness”, the SAME “cause” MAY POSSIBLY (with varying degrees of “possibility” which may also be “random” in nature) RESULT in a DIFFERENT “effect” at DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIME/SPACE and thERefore it would be IMPOSSIBLE to even dERive mathematical equations to OBJECTIVELY describe the “physics” of such a univERse, to begin with.
 
Physics equations (which are used to mathematically DETERMINE what will be the “effect” of a particular “cause” EVERYWHERE/ALWAYS) only exist BECAUSE the univERse is DETERMINISTIC to begin with.
The formulation (the pattern of light propagation) is deterministic, however, the observation or measurement of a quantum phenomenon forces a quantum state to be determined in a specific spatial and temporal position while initially undetermined (without observation, light is a wave) which is not happening if there is no measurement. Quantum Mechanics violates the principle of determination and it is the only mathematical reason. Violating the principle of locality has already been attempted by some copers like Bohm or even Einstein or Rosen, both kikes and it would initially violate general relativity. Therefore, quantum mechanics and relativity do not go together.


And either quantum mechanics is incomplete or relativity is, and the scientific consensus tends to establish that relativity is incomplete (black holes)
 
Every reply on this thread was predetermined
 
you have free will but none of it matters because your life path is wholly determined by your genetics, intelligence, looks, height, athletic ability, it is all out of your control.
 
something may “seem” random to us “from the outside,” when it’s actually deterministic in nature

not evERything is the way it appears to be.

“Cause and effect” is also a fundamental principle of physics.

The Big Bang and all the succeeding events in the univERse at all points in time/space (from start to finish) take place in accordance to the “cause and effect” principle, which im going to explain by using the mathematical “induction” process (which is obviously “in line” with fundamental physics, given that mathematics is the FOUNDATION and BASIS of physics: the fundamental laws of physics are primarily undERstood via mathematical equations) and by using the analogy of a domino sequence to help you conceptualize the topic in question.

The FIRST event (the falling of the FIRST domino) is the “cause” of the SECOND event (the “effect”: falling of the SECOND domino) WHICH ITSELF is the “cause” of the THIRD event (falling of the THIRD domino: the “effect”) so on and so forth.

Now let Each domino in the sequence represent an EVENT in the univERse. The vERy first domino in the sequence represents the vERy FIRST event in the univERse (the creation of the univERse itself: the “big bang”) and evERy successive domino CORRESPONDINGLY represents evERy successive event in the univERse following the “big bang”.

The Big Bang (the vERy FIRST event on the time/space continuum) “caused” the SECOND event in the univERse (the “effect”) WHICH ITSELF was the “cause” of the THIRD event in the univERse (the “effect”) WHICH ITSELF was the “cause” of the FOURTH event in the univERse (the “effect”) so on and so forth.

If you back along the sequence of domino’s, it can be noted that the falling of ALL the dominos “from and including” the SECOND domino ONWARDS, wE’Re CAUSED by the falling of the vERy FIRST domino

And if the vERy first domino fell DUE TO factors “OUT OF IT’S CONTROL” (“extERnal” factors: in this case, “extERnal” force being applied to it by a pERson, the wind etc), then it can be concluded that EVERY SINGLE domino FROM (and including) the FIRST domino UPTO (and including) the FINAL domino FELL due to “factor(s)” OUT OF THEIR CONTROL.

Likewise, If you go back along the chain of events to the “vERY FIRST” event on the time/space continuum (the CREATION of time/space itself during the BIG BANG: the “STARTING POINT” of the continuum itself), it can be noted that ALL events that followed on from the Big Bang wE’Re “CAUSED” by the Big Bang itself.

And considERing the FACT that the “event” of the BIG BANG ITSELF was OUT OF ANY HUMAN BEING’S CONTROL (NOT “caused” by any human being who has evER existed), it can be concluded that EVERY SINGLE “event” in the univERse FROM (and including) the vERy FIRST event in the univERse (the big bang) UPTO (and including) the LAST event in the univERse (which we can define as the last event to have occurred at whichevER point in time/space the obsERvER is obsERving from, given the fact that the univERse is “infinite”) was/is OUT OF ANYBODY’S CONTROL

Physics itself destroys the “free will” argument and ironically physics WOULDN’T even exist as a subject of knowledge IF univERse WASN’T detERministic.

Physics equations (which are used to mathematically DETERMINE what will be the “effect” of a particular “cause” EVERYWHERE/ALWAYS) only exist BECAUSE the univERse is DETERMINISTIC to begin with.

IF thERe WEREN’T UNIVERSAL “laws of physics” in accordance to which the univERse opERates, those equations would NEVER have even been dERived in the first place, because in a univERse of true “randomness”, the SAME “cause” MAY POSSIBLY (with varying degrees of “possibility” which may also be “random” in nature) RESULT in a DIFFERENT “effect” at DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIME/SPACE and thERefore it would be IMPOSSIBLE to even dERive mathematical equations to OBJECTIVELY describe the “physics” of such a univERse, to begin with.
High IQ :feelsthink::bigbrain:
 

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