Discussion Is depression really an illness?

[soul contre tous]

Is depression:

1) some sort of maladaptive behaviour or neurological illness that can be fixed on it's own without consideration of external circumstances?

or

2) an evolutionarily beneficial mechanism that reassures that men with low genetic quality and low social status don't pass on their genes, therefore having an eugenic effect?

 

[zerozerozero]

not an illness,,its a symptom

 

[theshazam]

it's an illness, but most of the people who are diagnosed with "depression" don't really have it. As far as I know, it's supposed to be rare. I guess most of the time it has others causes that generate the same symptoms and that causes confusions

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

1) Eugenics -> "the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable". Right now stupid and irresponsible people procreate the most. Female selection is not eugenic. While I feel no strong certainty in this, there is a line of reasoning going from "africa had less intense enviromental selection pressures" -> "female selection was a larger % of overall selection compared to other factors" -> "we developed civilisation after leaving africa" -> "humanity developed vicilisation after the importance of female selection was reduced in favor of enviormental pressures".

2) Being "a mechanism of natural selection with eugenic effects" is not exclusive neither with being a neuropsychological illness nor with being treatable.

 

[Simba]

Depression is an illness, anyone that truly has it can confirm.

 

[Simba]

I just want to be happy but I feel like a worthless loser everyday.

 

[Glerforpus]

Depression is real but few people have it. What a lot of people have is temporary depression which is spurred on by their environment

 

[Kselectedvirgin]

Is depression:

1) some sort of maladaptive behaviour or neurological illness that can be fixed on it's own without consideration of external circumstances?

or

2) an evolutionarily beneficial mechanism that reassures that men with low genetic quality and low social status don't pass on their genes, therefore having an eugenic effect?

If 2 Is true so, how people with that genes have passed their genes?

 

[Fifita]

Been told depression is hereditary which is BS and its bad genetic with looks which really passed it on

 

[lifeisfucked215]

Depression is real but not to the extent they make it seem. Nowadays its an over exaggerated Jewish lie to get people on jewpills

 

[gummybearcel]

I believe it is a symptom of a greater issue.
Nobody would be surprised if an incel is depressed because they lacked key developmental milestones and probably have fucked up neurotransmitters from not ever feeling loved. Sure, there can be cases where the neurotransmitters become fucked up independent of life circumstances, but things like trauma and comorbid mental illness are likely to damage the brain and exacerbate any issues.

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

Yeah.


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[Emba]

Depression is sad

 

[nice_try]

I know a guy who had bitches and has good genes, but life fucked him over so brutally that he now has depression, so it's 100% 1.)

 

[nice_try]

Depression is real but few people have it. What a lot of people have is temporary depression which is spurred on by their environment

It pisses me off that every zoomer fag now thinks that he has depression when he's just temporarily sad, which is normal.
These people haven't dealt with real depression before.

 

[Mainländer]

Like it's the case with all mental problems, "depression" is just a word we use to mean someone who displays at least a handful of some symptoms put together following some criteria. Aristotle pointed out way back in the day that words are not perfect, they just give us a rough representation of actual things so we can communicate.

I'm both depressed and ADHD. What seems to be the case with me, according to empiricism and my research, is that I have dopamine problems. My brain either doesn't create enough dopamine, doesn't hold to it long enough or something of the kind, therefore, things have less appeal to me than they'd do to a neurotypical in general. Activities are harder, focusing is harder, things that would be merely unpleasant but doable to a neurotypical feel like suicide-inducing hell to me, etc.

Ritalin helps me a lot, Prozac didn't do much for me though, even after months. I theorize that my depression is a subproduct of my ADHD + traumas, so treating the ADHD works better.

 

[I.N.C.E.L.S. Boss]

I believe it is a symptom of a greater issue.
Nobody would be surprised if an incel is depressed because they lacked key developmental milestones and probably have fucked up neurotransmitters from not ever feeling loved. Sure, there can be cases where the neurotransmitters become fucked up independent of life circumstances, but things like trauma and comorbid mental illness are likely to damage the brain and exacerbate any issues.

I agree with what you've said.
Depression is a manifestation of a deeper issue, an issue that's due to some malfunction in the brain.

It reminds of the experiment a psychologist did on baby apes. One was kept away from its mother and they would horn once in a while a fightening sound.
One was also kept away for it mother and similarly had also the frequent scary noises, but had an inanimate object build up to look its mother.

The first baby ape grew up to be permanently damaged, while the other one grew up to be a normal ape.

Some of Harlow's final experiments explored social deprivation in the quest to create an animal model for the study of depression. This study is the most controversial, and involved isolation of infant and juvenile macaques for various periods of time. Monkeys placed in isolation exhibited social deficits when introduced or re-introduced into a peer group. They appeared unsure of how to interact with their conspecifics, and mostly stayed separate from the group, demonstrating the importance of social interaction and stimuli in forming the ability to interact with conspecifics in developing monkeys, and, comparatively, in children.