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Iran and gender reassignment surgeries

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Iran is the leading country for gender reassignment surgeries right after Thailand. It's basically a troon factory, Iran is the only Muslim-majority country where such surgeries are not only legal but actively supported by the state, including financial aid, legal recognition of the new gender on documents, and protections against some forms of discrimination post-surgery. In recent years, Iran has even promoted itself as a medical tourism destination for transgender procedures to attract foreign patients and generate revenue, offering low costs (around $3,000–$7,000 per surgery) compared to Western countries (1).
but why ?
The primary reason stems from a 1987 fatwa (Islamic legal ruling) issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, which permitted sex reassignment surgery as a treatment for what is officially classified as "gender identity disorder". This shouldn't be confused with homosexuality itself, homosexuality is seen as a choice or deviation from divine norms, not an innate condition requiring medical intervention. However transgender identity (GID) is treated as a real medical and psychological issue, basically, a mismatch where someone's soul (or inner true self) is one gender, but their body is the opposite.

According to the fatwa gender-affirming surgery is allowed (and even religiously okay) because doctors can change the body to match the soul. The idea is simple: the soul matters more than the flesh/body, so fixing the body to fit the soul is permitted when medical experts confirm it.

To put it even more simply,
  • Transgender = soul and body don't match —> surgery can correct the body (allowed).
  • Homosexuality = forbidden behavior —> not treated as a soul-body issue or curable through surgery (Punishable offence under Sharia)
What caused Khomeini to issue it in the first place ?
In Tahrir al-Wasilah (written around 1964–1965 during Khomeini's exile and published in the late 1960s), he permitted corrective surgery for intersex individuals (khuntha or hermaphrodites) with physical ambiguity in their genitalia, allowing the body to align with one determined gender. This did not initially apply to transgender people without such physical intersex traits.

Physical ambiguity in this context refers to ambiguous external genitalia, meaning the newborn's visible sex organs (genitals) do not clearly appear as typically male or typically female. This makes it difficult or impossible to assign a binary sex (male or female) based on physical appearance alone at birth.

After the revolution, there was a troon named Maryam Khatoon Molkara (born 1950, assigned male at birth), a transgender woman and advocate. She began writing letters to Khomeini in the 1970s (while he was in exile) explaining her lifelong feeling of being a woman trapped in a man's body. After the revolution, she endured persecution like job loss, forced male hormone injections, and psychiatric institutionalization. She lobbied clerics and eventually secured a dramatic personal meeting with Khomeini around 1986–1987.

Here's a JFL moment: Molkara strikingly arrived at Khomeini's home dressed in a man's suit (to gain entry), carrying the Quran for protection. Guards beat her severely, suspecting she might be armed (due to her hormone-developed breasts under binding). She revealed her physical state, and Khomeini's brother intervened. During the brief meeting (about half an hour), Khomeini consulted three trusted doctors about her case and was so moved by her story and medical advice, he issued a handwritten fatwa authorizing her surgery and, by extension, permitting it for others.

Content of the Fatwa: "In the Name of God. Sex-reassignment surgery is not prohibited in shari'a law if reliable medical doctors recommend it. Inshallah you will be safe and hopefully the people whom you had mentioned might take care of your situation."
This ruling declared the procedure permissible (halal) under Shia Islamic law through scholarly reasoning (ijtihad) when advised by competent doctors, treating it as a medical correction rather than a sinful alteration of God's creation.




 
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To be honest, the real conservative Shias of Iraq and Arab states are completely against it. I think it's a Persian degeneracy rather than Shia one
 
@Hoodpreet @wereq @AsiaCel
 
@eliya @Iranianoldcel
 
To be honest, the real conservative Shias of Iraq and Arab states are completely against it. I think it's a Persian degeneracy rather than Shia one
I think it's because Khomeini was moved by the troon so much.
 
Does Khomeini play Touhou?
 
Trannies Try Not To Ruin Anything Challenge (failed) (IMPOSSIBLE!!) GONE ORIENTAL??

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Iran is the leading country for gender reassignment surgeries right after Thailand. It's basically a troon factory, Iran is the only Muslim-majority country where such surgeries are not only legal but actively supported by the state, including financial aid, legal recognition of the new gender on documents, and protections against some forms of discrimination post-surgery. In recent years, Iran has even promoted itself as a medical tourism destination for transgender procedures to attract foreign patients and generate revenue, offering low costs (around $3,000–$7,000 per surgery) compared to Western countries (1).
but why ?
The primary reason stems from a 1987 fatwa (Islamic legal ruling) issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, which permitted sex reassignment surgery as a treatment for what is officially classified as "gender identity disorder". This shouldn't be confused with homosexuality itself, homosexuality is seen as a choice or deviation from divine norms, not an innate condition requiring medical intervention. However transgender identity (GID) is treated as a real medical and psychological issue, basically, a mismatch where someone's soul (or inner true self) is one gender, but their body is the opposite.

According to the fatwa gender-affirming surgery is allowed (and even religiously okay) because doctors can change the body to match the soul. The idea is simple: the soul matters more than the flesh/body, so fixing the body to fit the soul is permitted when medical experts confirm it.

To put it even more simply,
  • Transgender = soul and body don't match —> surgery can correct the body (allowed).
  • Homosexuality = forbidden behavior —> not treated as a soul-body issue or curable through surgery (Punishable offence under Sharia)
What caused Khomeini to issue it in the first place ?
In Tahrir al-Wasilah (written around 1964–1965 during Khomeini's exile and published in the late 1960s), he permitted corrective surgery for intersex individuals (khuntha or hermaphrodites) with physical ambiguity in their genitalia, allowing the body to align with one determined gender. This did not initially apply to transgender people without such physical intersex traits.

Physical ambiguity in this context refers to ambiguous external genitalia, meaning the newborn's visible sex organs (genitals) do not clearly appear as typically male or typically female. This makes it difficult or impossible to assign a binary sex (male or female) based on physical appearance alone at birth.

After the revolution, there was a troon named Maryam Khatoon Molkara (born 1950, assigned male at birth), a transgender woman and advocate. She began writing letters to Khomeini in the 1970s (while he was in exile) explaining her lifelong feeling of being a woman trapped in a man's body. After the revolution, she endured persecution like job loss, forced male hormone injections, and psychiatric institutionalization. She lobbied clerics and eventually secured a dramatic personal meeting with Khomeini around 1986–1987.

Here's a JFL moment: Molkara strikingly arrived at Khomeini's home dressed in a man's suit (to gain entry), carrying the Quran for protection. Guards beat her severely, suspecting she might be armed (due to her hormone-developed breasts under binding). She revealed her physical state, and Khomeini's brother intervened. During the brief meeting (about half an hour), Khomeini consulted three trusted doctors about her case and was so moved by her story and medical advice, he issued a handwritten fatwa authorizing her surgery and, by extension, permitting it for others.


This ruling declared the procedure permissible (halal) under Shia Islamic law through scholarly reasoning (ijtihad) when advised by competent doctors, treating it as a medical correction rather than a sinful alteration of God's creation.




Khomeini is a stupid degenerate. So, an all-powerful god (Allah) could create entire worlds and entire biological species, but he can't always place the right soul in the right body. What the hell? Iranian Islamism is literally Maoism in the skin of Islam. In fact, it explains a lot, considering that Iran's only access to the global economy was through the PRC. Allah creates worlds, but he can't create the right mechanism to ensure that souls are placed in bodies that fit them. He is literally a kafir. Shiite Islam is a heresy.
 
:feelshaha: :feelshaha: :feelshaha: :feelshaha: :feelshaha: :feelshaha: :feelshaha: :feelshaha: Muh based Iran
 
Khomeini is a stupid degenerate. So, an all-powerful god (Allah) could create entire worlds and entire biological species, but he can't always place the right soul in the right body. What the hell? Iranian Islamism is literally Maoism in the skin of Islam. In fact, it explains a lot, considering that Iran's only access to the global economy was through the PRC. Allah creates worlds, but he can't create the right mechanism to ensure that souls are placed in bodies that fit them. He is literally a kafir. Shiite Islam is a heresy.
Not to mention that the surgery doesn't even change their bodies enough to match the supposed soul, they will just be mutilated man after the "transformation". They can't give birth like real foids, what does the Iranian government gain from such practice? Are the troons allowed to get married to men after surgery, it would still be homosexuality, so wouldn't it be punishable under Sharia law?
 
Not to mention that the surgery doesn't even change their bodies enough to match the supposed soul, they will just be mutilated man after the "transformation". They can't give birth like real foids, what does the Iranian government gain from such practice? Are the troons allowed to get married to men after surgery, it would still be homosexuality, so wouldn't it be punishable under Sharia law?
Eight players on Iran's women's national football team have been revealed as men who are awaiting gender reassignment surgeries. Some of them have previously competed in men's tournaments.
Iran's Civil Code equalizes the rights of women and transwomen (men who have transitioned to women). The law stipulates that the rules for determining gender depend on which gender characteristics are predominant in an individual.
 
Iran is the leading country for gender reassignment surgeries right after Thailand. It's basically a troon factory, Iran is the only Muslim-majority country where such surgeries are not only legal but actively supported by the state, including financial aid, legal recognition of the new gender on documents, and protections against some forms of discrimination post-surgery. In recent years, Iran has even promoted itself as a medical tourism destination for transgender procedures to attract foreign patients and generate revenue, offering low costs (around $3,000–$7,000 per surgery) compared to Western countries (1).
but why ?
The primary reason stems from a 1987 fatwa (Islamic legal ruling) issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, which permitted sex reassignment surgery as a treatment for what is officially classified as "gender identity disorder". This shouldn't be confused with homosexuality itself, homosexuality is seen as a choice or deviation from divine norms, not an innate condition requiring medical intervention. However transgender identity (GID) is treated as a real medical and psychological issue, basically, a mismatch where someone's soul (or inner true self) is one gender, but their body is the opposite.

According to the fatwa gender-affirming surgery is allowed (and even religiously okay) because doctors can change the body to match the soul. The idea is simple: the soul matters more than the flesh/body, so fixing the body to fit the soul is permitted when medical experts confirm it.

To put it even more simply,
  • Transgender = soul and body don't match —> surgery can correct the body (allowed).
  • Homosexuality = forbidden behavior —> not treated as a soul-body issue or curable through surgery (Punishable offence under Sharia)
What caused Khomeini to issue it in the first place ?
In Tahrir al-Wasilah (written around 1964–1965 during Khomeini's exile and published in the late 1960s), he permitted corrective surgery for intersex individuals (khuntha or hermaphrodites) with physical ambiguity in their genitalia, allowing the body to align with one determined gender. This did not initially apply to transgender people without such physical intersex traits.

Physical ambiguity in this context refers to ambiguous external genitalia, meaning the newborn's visible sex organs (genitals) do not clearly appear as typically male or typically female. This makes it difficult or impossible to assign a binary sex (male or female) based on physical appearance alone at birth.

After the revolution, there was a troon named Maryam Khatoon Molkara (born 1950, assigned male at birth), a transgender woman and advocate. She began writing letters to Khomeini in the 1970s (while he was in exile) explaining her lifelong feeling of being a woman trapped in a man's body. After the revolution, she endured persecution like job loss, forced male hormone injections, and psychiatric institutionalization. She lobbied clerics and eventually secured a dramatic personal meeting with Khomeini around 1986–1987.

Here's a JFL moment: Molkara strikingly arrived at Khomeini's home dressed in a man's suit (to gain entry), carrying the Quran for protection. Guards beat her severely, suspecting she might be armed (due to her hormone-developed breasts under binding). She revealed her physical state, and Khomeini's brother intervened. During the brief meeting (about half an hour), Khomeini consulted three trusted doctors about her case and was so moved by her story and medical advice, he issued a handwritten fatwa authorizing her surgery and, by extension, permitting it for others.


This ruling declared the procedure permissible (halal) under Shia Islamic law through scholarly reasoning (ijtihad) when advised by competent doctors, treating it as a medical correction rather than a sinful alteration of God's creation.




This explains the behavior of the Arabs. Iraq fought Iran for 8 years, and it was supported by all Arab countries except for Assad's Shiite Syria, Gaddafi's Libya, and communist southern Yemen. This also explains the resistance of the Iraqi Sunnis after Saddam's overthrow, as they feared that power would be given to the Shiites. This also explains the long-lasting resistance to the Assad regime in Syria.
 
Eight players on Iran's women's national football team have been revealed as men who are awaiting gender reassignment surgeries. Some of them have previously competed in men's tournaments.
Iran's Civil Code equalizes the rights of women and transwomen (men who have transitioned to women). The law stipulates that the rules for determining gender depend on which gender characteristics are predominant in an individual.
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I already knew of this but never knew it was prevalent to such an extent

I thought it was just some dumb ruling nobody took seriously. But #2 behind Thailand is something else
 
@GobidMujahid
 
Didn't know Iran was gay lol
 
I SPIT on quran, islam, and allah (who is a pig).
 
I think it's because Khomeini was moved by the troon so much.
What a compassionate man, just like most well-educated Islamic scholars and clerics.
 
Khomeini is a stupid degenerate. So, an all-powerful god (Allah) could create entire worlds and entire biological species, but he can't always place the right soul in the right body. What the hell? Iranian Islamism is literally Maoism in the skin of Islam. In fact, it explains a lot, considering that Iran's only access to the global economy was through the PRC. Allah creates worlds, but he can't create the right mechanism to ensure that souls are placed in bodies that fit them. He is literally a kafir. Shiite Islam is a heresy.
That's exactly the problem with all monotheist religions, in case they presume the God is both almighty and benevolent. It seems to me, that in Judaism JHWH is not even sold as an entirely benevolent creature, unlike the Christian God and also Islam's Allah.

The whole Quran goes on and on about Allah's greatness, prowess and all-powerful nature, but one wonders then whence all these infidels? Whence deniers of Allah like you and me? Christians, idolators and their ilk?

In short, I simply cannot grasp, how an educated person in our century can genuinely be a devote Muslim. A devote, literate Muslim obviously would read the Holy Quran. But every page of this miserable book is obviously illogical, nay, an insult to intelligence.

Honestly, I can't get how maths teachers, maths professors etc. in Muslim countries can possibly take this religion seriously.
 
This explains the behavior of the Arabs. Iraq fought Iran for 8 years, and it was supported by all Arab countries except for Assad's Shiite Syria, Gaddafi's Libya, and communist southern Yemen. This also explains the resistance of the Iraqi Sunnis after Saddam's overthrow, as they feared that power would be given to the Shiites. This also explains the long-lasting resistance to the Assad regime in Syria.
Assad supported Iran to weaken Iraq, a common competitor and a common potential enemy. This was surely Realpolitik.
 
What a compassionate man, just like most well-educated Islamic scholars and clerics.
He was good man overall just made to look bad because Western propoganda
 
The Troon shall inherit the new world order
 
That's exactly the problem with all monotheist religions, in case they presume the God is both almighty and benevolent. It seems to me, that in Judaism JHWH is not even sold as an entirely benevolent creature, unlike the Christian God and also Islam's Allah.

The whole Quran goes on and on about Allah's greatness, prowess and all-powerful nature, but one wonders then whence all these infidels? Whence deniers of Allah like you and me? Christians, idolators and their ilk?

In short, I simply cannot grasp, how an educated person in our century can genuinely be a devote Muslim. A devote, literate Muslim obviously would read the Holy Quran. But every page of this miserable book is obviously illogical, nay, an insult to intelligence.

Honestly, I can't get how maths teachers, maths professors etc. in Muslim countries can possibly take this religion seriously.
Doesn't Islam accept the stories and narratives of Judaism and Christianity as part of itself? It seems that Muslims believe that Allah first tried to promote his religion through the Jews, but the Jews distorted it, and then through the Christians, but they also distorted Allah's religion. Subsequently, Allah used the Prophet Muhammad to spread Islam in its pure form. In other words, Islam is a superset of Judaism and Christianity, and Muslims believe that the God of the Jews and the God of the Christians was also Allah, but they distorted Allah's message.
 
That's exactly the problem with all monotheist religions, in case they presume the God is both almighty and benevolent. It seems to me, that in Judaism JHWH is not even sold as an entirely benevolent creature, unlike the Christian God and also Islam's Allah.

The whole Quran goes on and on about Allah's greatness, prowess and all-powerful nature, but one wonders then whence all these infidels? Whence deniers of Allah like you and me? Christians, idolators and their ilk?

In short, I simply cannot grasp, how an educated person in our century can genuinely be a devote Muslim. A devote, literate Muslim obviously would read the Holy Quran. But every page of this miserable book is obviously illogical, nay, an insult to intelligence.

Honestly, I can't get how maths teachers, maths professors etc. in Muslim countries can possibly take this religion seriously.
About 4 years ago, I read a lot about Islam and watched YouTube videos, but I've forgotten many details.
 
Doesn't Islam accept the stories and narratives of Judaism and Christianity as part of itself? It seems that Muslims believe that Allah first tried to promote his religion through the Jews, but the Jews distorted it, and then through the Christians, but they also distorted Allah's religion. Subsequently, Allah used the Prophet Muhammad to spread Islam in its pure form. In other words, Islam is a superset of Judaism and Christianity, and Muslims believe that the God of the Jews and the God of the Christians was also Allah, but they distorted Allah's message.
Yes, that's true. Islam does accept and in theory repeat the stories of Judaism/Christianity, but in effect it barely does so. The Quran is a rather incoherent set of Old Testament stories rebranded in a simplified, vulgarized form. The Quran does not repeat the Christian love thy neighbour message tho.

All in all, Muhammad pretended to repeat the message(s) previously sent to Jews and Christians, however, the Ultimate Messenger's message is philosophically clearly of a much lower quality and ability to convince than the Old Testament/New Testament texts. Which is not surprising at all, because Muhammad (pbuh) was a simple, uneducated person, unlike Saint Paul or many of those who composed the Old Testament texts.
 
Yes, that's true. Islam does accept and in theory repeat the stories of Judaism/Christianity, but in effect it barely does so. The Quran is a rather incoherent set of Old Testament stories rebranded in a simplified, vulgarized form. The Quran does not repeat the Christian love thy neighbour message tho.

All in all, Muhammad pretended to repeat the message(s) previously sent to Jews and Christians, however, the Ultimate Messenger's message is philosophically clearly of a much lower quality and ability to convince than the Old Testament/New Testament texts. Which is not surprising at all, because Muhammad (pbuh) was a simple, uneducated person, unlike Saint Paul or many of those who composed the Old Testament texts.
although Muhammad (PBUH) was not some kind of scholar and could not read or write. This did not prevent him from rising from a caravan driver to a military religious leader, gathering people, and managing to organize them. Literally create your own religion. build your own state, conquer a lot of land and leave behind an entire empire. although before Muhammad, the Arabs were nothing. it seems to me that even the whole world did not know about their existence.
 
Good for @incelerated that he can get his dream trans gf
 
although Muhammad (PBUH) was not some kind of scholar and could not read or write. This did not prevent him from rising from a caravan driver to a military religious leader, gathering people, and managing to organize them. Literally create your own religion. build your own state, conquer a lot of land and leave behind an entire empire. although before Muhammad, the Arabs were nothing. it seems to me that even the whole world did not know about their existence.
Yes the Arabs were nothing but some irrelevant desert tribes before Islam. Romans sometimes proxied them. Only divine intervention can explain how they suddenly became empire
 
Yes the Arabs were nothing but some irrelevant desert tribes before Islam. Romans sometimes proxied them. Only divine intervention can explain how they suddenly became empire
I'm not a religious person, but if I were I'd interpret the influx of Muslim savages into Europe, esp. Western Europe as Divine Punishment for the degenerate lifestyle of Euros, including (but not limited to) their rampant foid worship.
 
Again, usual Muslim degeneracy being justified by loopholes, same thing the catholic church and Jews do all the time.

I mean look up Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan, literally just faggotry.
 
Again, usual Muslim degeneracy being justified by loopholes, same thing the catholic church and Jews do all the time.

I mean look up Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan, literally just faggotry.
WORSE than faggotry, that is homosexuality between adult men. Bacha Bazi is pederasty, only beardless boys are considered legitimate targets. Islam itself ofc forbids this, but it doesn't matter: these savages still practise it, despite being willing to blow up a bunch of ppl for harmless, irrelevant "offences" against their dumb religion.
 
WORSE than faggotry, that is homosexuality between adult men. Bacha Bazi is pederasty, only beardless boys are considered legitimate targets. Islam itself ofc forbids this, but it doesn't matter: these savages still practise it, despite being willing to blow up a bunch of ppl for harmless, irrelevant "offences" against their dumb religion.
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Again, usual Muslim degeneracy being justified by loopholes, same thing the catholic church and Jews do all the time.

I mean look up Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan, literally just faggotry.
That shit came from the Greeks

Alexander spread it through Persian lands
 
That shit came from the Greeks

Alexander spread it through Persian lands
Greeks where up to some crazy shit, however you don't see modern day Greeks doing it, but you still see muzzies doing it.
 
Greeks where up to some crazy shit, however you don't see modern day Greeks doing it, but you still see muzzies doing it.
It was sadly retained by Persians, but mujahideen murder them whenever it’s possible
 
I hate how Turco-Persian deviance became associated with Islam. Fucking degenerates
 
It was sadly retained by Persians, but mujahideen murder them whenever it’s possible
The Taliban take part in Bacha Bazi too, again just because something is technically illegal doesn't make it illegal, rape and slavery are illegal everywhere but yet many countries turn a blind eye to it.
 
Shi'ism has nothing to do with Islam. It's a pagan religion with appropriated Islamic symbols
 
The Taliban take part in Bacha Bazi too, again just because something is technically illegal doesn't make it illegal, rape and slavery are illegal everywhere but yet many countries turn a blind eye to it.
The Taliban is also (currently) a deviant group, they are not mujahideen. Bacha bazi and such other cultural practices have nothing to do with Islam either, specially the fact they incorporate and partially rule by Pashtunwali, not solely the Shariah.
There's only one group out there that is truly Islamic and doesn't compromise in any way
 
The Taliban is also (currently) a deviant group, they are not mujahideen. Bacha bazi and such other cultural practices have nothing to do with Islam either, specially the fact they incorporate and partially rule by Pashtunwali, not solely the Shariah.
There's only one group out there that is truly Islamic and doesn't compromise in any way
This is why I will never accept Islam, it is always "those guys interpret my book differently so they're not true believers", I mean theres a reason why every Islamic country in the world is a shithole, the only reason why Christian countries are going downhill is because of immigration and the jews.
 
This is why I will never accept Islam, it is always "those guys interpret my book differently so they're not true believers", I mean theres a reason why every Islamic country in the world is a shithole, the only reason why Christian countries are going downhill is because of immigration and the jews.
Because there's one clear way to interpret it (which isn't for conflicting with the world order, leading leaders to neglect it in favor of stability in their power and control), the way it was interpreted when the Islamic world was at It's highest, when it destroyed empires much more powerful than the muslim nation, when social cohesion was unparallaled, the way the Prophet himself and his Companions interpreted it. It's not as if Christianity didn't shatter into a million different sects either?...
The reason the Islamic world is the way it is is exactly because true Islam is not followed. And when a group that rises against deviation surges, the West desperately puts it's entire might into defeating it. An 80+ countries coalition created with the sole intent of defeating a state that barely controlled land the size of Britain, when most of it was desert
 
Because there's one clear way to interpret it (which isn't for conflicting with the world order, leading leaders to neglect it in favor of stability in their power and control), the way it was interpreted when the Islamic world was at It's highest, when it destroyed empires much more powerful than the muslim nation, when social cohesion was unparallaled, the way the Prophet himself and his Companions interpreted it. It's not as if Christianity didn't shatter into a million different sects either?...
The reason the Islamic world is the way it is is exactly because true Islam is not followed. And when a group that rises against deviation surges, the West desperately puts it's entire might into defeating it. An 80+ countries coalition created with the sole intent of defeating a state that barely controlled land the size of Britain, when most of it was desert
If the most modern nations in the world tried to defeat Islam, why are people openly practicing it in those western countries, again all this sounds like are common Muslim fallacies based on a dogmatic religion that can't even comprehend itself. If Islam cannot define itself and the only cope is "nobody is actually following the Quran" then it shouldn't exist itself and its splinter groups are evidence of its flaws.

Also in the last part I am not sure which country you are referring too, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Iran or the other multitude of failed Islamic socialist nations, that in a vacuum could not sustain themselves.
 
It was sadly retained by Persians, but mujahideen murder them whenever it’s possible
BS. According to some testimonies, what was the final straw for the formation of the god-fearing Taleban movement ("students of Islam") was an incident in Southern Afghanistan where 2 warlords had a fight over who gets to sodomize a boy. Obviously the Afghan warlords had started as anticommunist guerillas/guerilla group leaders in 1980s. Taleban tried to eradicate Bacha bazi from mid-1990s on, as Islam explicitly prohibits any homosexual acts.
 
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