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I was reading this book "The Stranger", found it quite interesting and the concept of the "hedonic treadmill" as well.

First of all a lot of people here will agree that due to the "free market" in dating even if you somehow found a relationship, it will most likely be an unequal relationship, this is a situation where one person has all the leverage and options whereas you will have to compromise a lot to continue that relationship, would that be better than your current situation, who knows? I think a lot of people here might agree on this but this is a minor issue as most people would rather have that experience than nothingness at least once.

My main argument is related to the idea of "Hedonic Treadmill", ever wonder how people who coast through their life and have unlimited riches end up depressed or behave in weird ways. The hedonic treadmill (or hedonic adaptation) is the idea that after positive or negative life changes, people tend to return to a relatively stable baseline of happiness. You get a raise, a new house, or a romantic partner and after the initial high, your emotional baseline reasserts itself.

The belief that a romantic partner will fundamentally improve life quality is, a misunderstanding of the human condition. It’s the same error as thinking a dream job, wealth, or fame will solve the “problem” of life’s absurdity. The relationship might bring joy and intimacy but it will not abolish boredom, mortality, or the need to create your own meaning. It's the same reason rich faggots, foids and even chads are always chasing a new high, if you get down to it, you will find majority of the people are not truly satisfied with their lives, especially due to the fact that this is a hyperconnected world and you can get mogged/insulted by a person sitting at the other end of the world. I know the argument would be I would rather be chad, but the same problem happens again, if you only get positive experiences since childhood you will most likely lose the high which incels think you might feel with a new relationship or a hookup. If you do get into a relationship you might initially get a high as an incel but eventually you will lose interest, I think that's one of the reason chads are blackpilled about women. Look at the divorce rates in the modern world, if relationships were such a foolproof way of happiness this definitely would not be the case. You can get a completely different response from a person about their happiness just by priming or asking them different questions beforehand, which kind of disproves the idea that there is a sure shot way to happiness or our brain even knows what it is exactly.

I hope all of us do get to experience some form of love/relationship, but don't really expect it to magically make you happy or fix your life.

It was as if that great rush of anger had washed me clean, emptied me of hope, and, gazing up at the dark sky spangled with its signs and stars, for the first time, the first, I laid my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe.
To feel it so like myself, indeed, so brotherly, made me realize that I'd been happy, and that I was happy still. For all to be accomplished, for me to feel less lonely, all that remained to hope was that on the day of my execution there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should greet me with howls of execration.
 
It literally would improve my life quality, would it fix my life completely? no but it would drastically improve it.
 
TLDR?
Everyone who had sex agrees that it feels awesome, so I can't see how it would be bad
 
TLDR?
Everyone who had sex agrees that it feels awesome, so I can't see how it would be bad
A simple analogy would be drugs while not exactly the same, the high you get from the first few times isn't going to last too long, it will eventually just become a part of your routine and not give you the joy you might be thinking about now
 
None of that changes that a relationship does make your life better though. Not even normies are pretending like they don't at this point. Where just a year ago people on bluepilled YT channels, subreddits and so on would say that you need to "focus on yourself" first, they've now shifted to saying how they prefer spending time with their significant others before anything else and that "alone time" isn't worth it and believing that it is is just cope of those who don't have it.

A simple analogy would be drugs while not exactly the same, the high you get from the first few times isn't going to last too long, it will eventually just become a part of your routine and not give you the joy you might be thinking about now
Yeah, but to make the analogy fit well, imagine we are talking about a drug that all people are addicted to by default. Having it might feel the best at the beginning and then it just becomes your routine, but as long as you have it, your organism works normally because you are getting the drug you need, whereas if you don't have it, you suffer.

We know for a fact, for example, that loneliness is like smoking over a dozen cigarettes daily, and that physical touch literally makes you sleep better. We can talk however much we want about how a relationship wouldn't instantly rocket up our quality of life to heights even billionaires can only dream about, but it would make our lives better, and that's just the truth.



It literally would improve my life quality, would it fix my life completely? no but it would drastically improve it.
 
The only things bothering me is that my GF will have more experience than me, I literally do not know how to act with a " girlfriend " and I know she will notice and will find me weird ( I talk about potential women interested by me, it's imaginary but still )
 
It’s the same error as thinking a dream job, wealth, or fame will solve the “problem” of life’s absurdity. The relationship might bring joy and intimacy but it will not abolish boredom, mortality, or the need to create your own meaning.
except nobody says it will solve literally all of our problems. But sure it won't hurt, right?
It's the same reason rich faggots, foids and even chads are always chasing a new high, if you get down to it, you will find majority of the people are not truly satisfied with their lives, especially due to the fact that this is a hyperconnected world and you can get mogged/insulted by a person sitting at the other end of the world
world's smallest violin intensifies
 
ever wonder how people who coast through their life and have unlimited riches end up depressed or behave in weird ways. The hedonic treadmill (or hedonic adaptation) is the idea that after positive or negative life changes, people tend to return to a relatively stable baseline of happiness. You get a raise, a new house, or a romantic partner and after the initial high, your emotional baseline reasserts itself.
I used to feel the same way after building my lego WW2/WW1 models and drinking slop/rocking out

Would always feel numb and sad afterwards especially if I was super hyped the days before

But what I don’t understand is why do rich people eat kids and shit? Why are they so evil?
 
A simple analogy would be drugs while not exactly the same, the high you get from the first few times isn't going to last too long, it will eventually just become a part of your routine and not give you the joy you might be thinking about now
Better than nothing
 
The gray loves cope
They've yet to be crushed by the reality of our world, this place educates you quick if you don't already understand the BP
 
None of that changes that a relationship does make your life better though. Not even normies are pretending like they don't at this point. Where just a year ago people on bluepilled YT channels, subreddits and so on would say that you need to "focus on yourself" first, they've now shifted to saying how they prefer spending time with their significant others before anything else and that "alone time" isn't worth it and believing that it is is just cope of those who don't have it.


Yeah, but to make the analogy fit well, imagine we are talking about a drug that all people are addicted to by default. Having it might feel the best at the beginning and then it just becomes your routine, but as long as you have it, your organism works normally because you are getting the drug you need, whereas if you don't have it, you suffer.

We know for a fact, for example, that loneliness is like smoking over a dozen cigarettes daily, and that physical touch literally makes you sleep better. We can talk however much we want about how a relationship wouldn't instantly rocket up our quality of life to heights even billionaires can only dream about, but it would make our lives better, and that's just the truth.


As I said "overestimate", I am not saying there is no difference in having and not having something, I am saying people who don't have anything (incels, poor people) might have too much of a rosy perception of things which they don't have
 
except nobody says it will solve literally all of our problems. But sure it won't hurt, right?

world's smallest violin intensifies
I am kind of saying the same thing but that's not the impression I got from the people on this site, in fact people spending too much time on this site kind of proves my point
 
As I said "overestimate", I am not saying there is no difference in having and not having something, I am saying people who don't have anything (incels, poor people) might have too much of a rosy perception of things which they don't have
True, I just wanted to share that to properly show the difference in this case:feelsokman:.
 
None of that changes that a relationship does make your life better though. Not even normies are pretending like they don't at this point. Where just a year ago people on bluepilled YT channels, subreddits and so on would say that you need to "focus on yourself" first, they've now shifted to saying how they prefer spending time with their significant others before anything else and that "alone time" isn't worth it and believing that it is is just cope of those who don't have it.


Yeah, but to make the analogy fit well, imagine we are talking about a drug that all people are addicted to by default. Having it might feel the best at the beginning and then it just becomes your routine, but as long as you have it, your organism works normally because you are getting the drug you need, whereas if you don't have it, you suffer.

We know for a fact, for example, that loneliness is like smoking over a dozen cigarettes daily, and that physical touch literally makes you sleep better. We can talk however much we want about how a relationship wouldn't instantly rocket up our quality of life to heights even billionaires can only dream about, but it would make our lives better, and that's just the truth.


I would like to disagree with the research here. Catholic priests live longer than the average man (https://ionainstitute.ie/clergy-and-religious-live-longer-than-other-professions-says-study/), and even monks exhibit the same pattern. What you need is a close-knit group to share your life with and, most importantly, live with. Women are not a necessary factor when it comes to life expectancy, but avoiding solitude is.
 
Just stfu you disingenuous faggot
 
It was as if that great rush of anger had washed me clean, emptied me of hope, and, gazing up at the dark sky spangled with its signs and stars, for the first time, the first, I laid my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe.
To feel it so like myself, indeed, so brotherly, made me realize that I'd been happy, and that I was happy still. For all to be accomplished, for me to feel less lonely, all that remained to hope was that on the day of my execution there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should greet me with howls of execration.
i like the writing in the quote block
 
I would like to disagree with the research here. Catholic priests live longer than the average man (https://ionainstitute.ie/clergy-and-religious-live-longer-than-other-professions-says-study/), and even monks exhibit the same pattern. What you need is a close-knit group to share your life with and, most importantly, live with. Women are not a necessary factor when it comes to life expectancy, but avoiding solitude is.
True. It's just that guys are going to vastly prefer spending their time with someone they can enjoy sex with, that's the thing here:forcedsmile:.
 
True. It's just that guys are going to vastly prefer spending their time with someone they can enjoy sex with, that's the thing here:forcedsmile:.
True, but living with a friend is a good compromise. Gay or not, it is better than being slowly killed by the silent killer that is solitude.
 
True. This what humans do about everything in existence, unless you’re a monk that has mastered meditation and asceticism. Otherwise, the entire 1st world would be content and not depressed. We live better than kings just centuries ago, in terms of material wellbeing; yet most people aren’t materially satisfied. We all see this in ourselves. You get used to literally ever circumstance that arises. You get used to your job you hated the first week… you get used to the illness that consumed your life the first week… we adjust to every circumstance.

The same would happen if any of us ascended.

What matters is the rate of change. If positive things continue to occur, then you will persistently feel positive emotions. This is where lookism applies because being ugly affects every aspect of life; being attractive affects every aspect of life. Ugly people will persistently be mistreated and vice versa for attractive people or women.
 
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People like that don’t exist. Good looking comfortable people all love their lives
 
Not reading your wall of cope
 

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