Blackpill Inceldom is a social problem not a individual problem

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

We have to convert masculinism into a transversal movement exactly like feminism, if we have enough social weight then we can begin to appeal to the prevailing political parties

What you have to understand is that politics is a game in which each party tries to raise as many votes as possible by exploiting the masses and their identity communities. If Incels want to enter politics, they must first become a social movement of relevance which can capture the attention of politicians.

Transversal?

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

> thinks (((red team))) is different from (((blue team)))

i think you might only have actually understood what was expressed in pictures. I don't think I can explain my position in a way accessible to the illiterate though.

also, if your entire explanatory model for the world of politics is (((them jews))) you are a coping low IQ retard.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

We have to convert masculinism into a transversal movement exactly like feminism, if we have enough social weight then we can begin to appeal to the prevailing political parties

What you have to understand is that politics is a game in which each party tries to raise as many votes as possible by exploiting the masses and their identity communities. If Incels want to enter politics, they must first become a social movement of relevance which can capture the attention of politicians.

That puts it kind of nicely. One core problem is how there already was an ever-present pro-female bias that women could easily exploit once the forces balancing out said bias were removed. We are forced to swim against the tide / human nature, not with it. Which makes everything a lot harder for us.

It's one of the things I feel least confident about understanding myself, w/e I choose almost always has the exact opposite of mass appeal. My favorite products get discontinued, same with my favorite fiction, the games I like most are usually not very popular, if they are, the way I like to play them is amongst the least popular around, the list goes on.

Maybe we really need to go this retarded cringe PUA / Andrew Tate style of masculinity, just because it's the only form the normie masses will accept, but I have no feeling or intution for this at all.

 

[Freixel]

Transversal?

Cross several political lines without having to ally yourself with only one side of the spectrum.

 

[Freixel]

That puts it kind of nicely. One core problem is how there already was an ever-present pro-female bias that women could easily exploit once the forces balancing out said bias were removed. We are forced to swim against the tide / human nature, not with it. Which makes everything a lot harder for us.

It's one of the things I feel least confident about understanding myself, w/e I choose almost always has the exact opposite of mass appeal. My favorite products get discontinued, same with my favorite fiction, the games I like most are usually not very popular, if they are, the way I like to play them is amongst the least popular around, the list goes on.

Maybe we really need to go this retarded cringe PUA / Andrew Tate style of masculinity, just because it's the only form the normie masses will accept, but I have no feeling or intution for this at all.

We are naturally rebellious and that pushes us to have interests that are outside the norm, a large part of the men who end up in the manosphere are like that, social rejection leads to isolation and isolation leads to the search for a like-minded community.

This is part of the problem too, it is what around here is called being non-nt, but it is not a mental problem in most cases but a type of personality.

Politics is a game and society is the board, so yes, the only way to win is to use tactics of mass manipulation, you cannot put blackpill as the face of a movement because that will lead to social rejection and ostracism

On the other hand, I think I am going to repeat the same thing that I already wrote in other threads, incels, masculinism and the manosphere in general have to be part of something bigger in order to be socially accepted.

There is also a reality: I believe that 95% of us here suffer not only because we are men without opportunities with the opposite sex, but because we are working men.

This is the source of great suffering that makes the life of the average man today unbearable and painful: having to work long, hard hours as in times past without receiving the social benefits that were previously available, that is, the possibility of finding a female partner who at least makes the suffering bearable

Men has lost his access to the woman but the conditions of labor slavery remain the same as always.

Even being Neets one is still part of the working class and will have to assume responsibility sooner or later if one does not want to die of hunger in the streets.

That puts us on the same political line as socialism (which is also already hijacked by feminism) and third positionism.

Here we have something to exploit and it is the fact that improving the conditions of the working classes in general ends up improving the quality of life of incels in particular.

Wouldn't it be a better life if we weren't exploited as robotic slaves even though we couldn't get women?

A masculinist-socialism seems to be the key, even better if it is also nationalist.

If one observes the manosphere from a political vision, one can realize that at the current moment its visible heads point towards liberalism and individualism, seeking individual solutions (softmaxx, moneymaxx, statusmaxx) to a problem that is collective is a mistake that makes us It stops us from turning the manosphere into something more than an obscure internet community.

We have to change our political pole, the discourse of seeking individual solutions by appealing to what the system demands of us from above, as many Redpillers "coaches" do, only increases frustration and anger.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

We are naturally rebellious and that pushes us to have interests that are outside the norm, a large part of the men who end up in the manosphere are like that, social rejection leads to isolation and isolation leads to the search for a like-minded community.

This is part of the problem too, it is what around here is called being non-nt, but it is not a mental problem in most cases but a type of personality.

Politics is a game and society is the board, so yes, the only way to win is to use tactics of mass manipulation, you cannot put blackpill as the face of a movement because that will lead to social rejection and ostracism

On the other hand, I think I am going to repeat the same thing that I already wrote in other threads, incels, masculinism and the manosphere in general have to be part of something bigger in order to be socially accepted.

There is also a reality: I believe that 95% of us here suffer not only because we are men without opportunities with the opposite sex, but because we are working men.

This is the source of great suffering that makes the life of the average man today unbearable and painful: having to work long, hard hours as in times past without receiving the social benefits that were previously available, that is, the possibility of finding a female partner who at least makes the suffering bearable

Men has lost his access to the woman but the conditions of labor slavery remain the same as always.

Even being Neets one is still part of the working class and will have to assume responsibility sooner or later if one does not want to die of hunger in the streets.

That puts us on the same political line as socialism (which is also already hijacked by feminism) and third positionism.

Here we have something to exploit and it is the fact that improving the conditions of the working classes in general ends up improving the quality of life of incels in particular.

Wouldn't it be a better life if we weren't exploited as robotic slaves even though we couldn't get women?

A masculinist-socialism seems to be the key, even better if it is also nationalist.

Long-term economics will either be us all being slaves for real or starving to death as AI makes us completly superfluous O R economics no longer being a thing because we are all dead because AI killed or enslave us itself O R some development towards post-scarcity starting with UBI, as AI creates more value than we can consume and increasingly makes every desirable good abundant.

There is also no satisfaction in fighting for a differend cause than your own out of strategical considerations.

And it ties us to some political camp / ideology, instead of putting male group interests at the forefront and everything else second. You can only maximize for one thing in the end, when male interests clash with socialist ones, what gets priority? Working conditions are not our core struggle. Many of us are unemployed / unemployable mental cases, autists. Even for those who are, better working conditions doesn't solve the no woman problem. I want men to stand up for their own interests, for male group interests, not for some ideology, politcal orientation, religion or what ever else.

Blackpilled ideas are already spreading through the internet and people are increasingly open to consider them. I would rather try to push for something I care about and believe in than be scammed into being some memeplex's foot soldier for a bunch of half-baked vague promises of "somehow this is prob gonna improve your quality of life". I don't even care about that at this point, I want the lies exposed and society shamed for what they have done far more badly than some smal increase in meaningless comfort.

 

[Freixel]

Long-term economics will either be us all being slaves for real or starving to death as AI makes us completly superfluous O R economics no longer being a thing because we are all dead because AI killed or enslave us itself O R some development towards post-scarcity starting with UBI, as AI creates more value than we can consume and increasingly makes every desirable good abundant.

There is also no satisfaction in fighting for a differend cause than your own out of strategical considerations.

And it ties us to some political camp / ideology, instead of putting male group interests at the forefront and everything else second. You can only maximize for one thing in the end, when male interests clash with socialist ones, what gets priority? Working conditions are not our core struggle. Many of us are unemployed / unemployable mental cases, autists. Even for those who are, better working conditions doesn't solve the no woman problem. I want men to stand up for their own interests, for male group interests, not for some ideology, politcal orientation, religion or what ever else.

Blackpilled ideas are already spreading through the internet and people are increasingly open to consider them. I would rather try to push for something I care about and believe in than be scammed into being some memeplex's foot soldier for a bunch of half-baked vague promises of "somehow this is prob gonna improve your quality of life". I don't even care about that at this point, I want the lies exposed and society shamed for what they have done far more badly than some smal increase in meaningless comfort.

Well then there is no choice but to enhance the social presence of masculinism as opposed to feminism.

But everything has a limit, even complaining and raising awareness about the living conditions of men.

So we have to think more precisely and with our feet on the ground, trying to achieve goals that are possible to achieve in the real world.

How do we solve the problem of the lack of women?

Leaving the option of the hopeful future of robotics (which, let's be honest, does not solve the problem at all, nobody wants a toy with a female shape but a real woman)

I can't think of anything that doesn't fall along the lines of revoking women's rights achieved in the last two centuries, which sounds like a madness that is impossible to achieve.

What can be done is fight for the rights of men and boys in particular

The suffering of men must be made visible, which makes us get into the game of political victimhood, but it is what it is.

In fact I'm thinking that maybe the artistic route is a possibility.

Make visible the problems we talk about here through the creation of music and visual arts, but well, that would require talented and hard-working people in favor of these communities, things that are not exactly abundant.

You know, if the manosphere suddenly became socially accepted, its members would see the possibility of getting a woman increased, as we already know, they follow mainstream fashion and what the cultural paradigm imposes.

 

[Namtriz912]

Unless violence is taken it'll remain an individual problem

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Well then there is no choice but to enhance the social presence of masculinism as opposed to feminism.

But everything has a limit, even complaining and raising awareness about the living conditions of men.

So we have to think more precisely and with our feet on the ground, trying to achieve goals that are possible to achieve in the real world.

How do we solve the problem of the lack of women?

Leaving the option of the hopeful future of robotics (which, let's be honest, does not solve the problem at all, nobody wants a toy with a female shape but a real woman)

I can't think of anything that doesn't fall along the lines of revoking women's rights achieved in the last two centuries, which sounds like a madness that is impossible to achieve.

What can be done is fight for the rights of men and boys in particular

The suffering of men must be made visible, which makes us get into the game of political victimhood, but it is what it is.

In fact I'm thinking that maybe the artistic route is a possibility.

Make visible the problems we talk about here through the creation of music and visual arts, but well, that would require talented and hard-working people in favor of these communities, things that are not exactly abundant.

You know, if the manosphere suddenly became socially accepted, its members would see the possibility of getting a woman increased, as we already know, they follow mainstream fashion and what the cultural paradigm imposes.

Think you need motivate human capital, and then you push every route you can think of and do more of what works best.

Art is obviously ridiculously underserved. There you have some degree of freedom to express forbidden ideas, if you are willing to take the ridicule and hate that come with it. I would think story telling as the most potent form here, you need to get certain ideas out and make certain perspectives sympathetic, stories do that better than songs, though I would again just want to try everything.

If possible we should do a more extreme and a softer version. The more extreme art makes the less extreme one look more reasonable and acceptable by comparison, and the less extreme art functions as a stepping stone to prepare people to judge the next round of extreme art with less prejudiced eyes.

I don't think you can fundamentally change the system or succeed outside of it. Social acceptance is good, both because foids won't ever consider a perspective that is maximally low status in soceity's eyes, but also because the more men know the more men notice the more men share amongst each other the more the realize they have a common struggle and group interests. We basically are trying to get men to develope a group conciousness and shed the mode of false conciousness they have been raised to think in since childhood and are innately prone to fall into due to evolved instincts.

1. If Sexbots come in the future you want to make sure men as a group are capable of standing up for their interests and not let them be banned by feminist scum. And they will try, women are the merchants of sex and sexbots greatly devalue their monopoly.

2. Get the truth out and kill the propaganda. A simple change from percieving yourself as a victim of circumstance instead of a failure of a human being can make all the difference to someone's way and quality of life. Is your anger directed inward, towards yourself, and are your efforts focused on repeated attempts at winning love, all of which are ultimately doomed to fail, for which you will once again only blame yourself?

Or are you aware that to some degree, you never had a chance, or at least were unfairly disadvantaged from the start? Is some of your anger and frustration directed towards the society that claims to strive for equality and fairness, but has brainwashed you since birth, demonized and vilified your sex and ultimately abandoned you to your misery, a misery rooted in an innate inequality between the sexes, the exact thing everyone around you believes they are trying to resolve.

3. Ultimately, after men develope a group conciousness and stand up for their own interest, how do we solve the problem of no women? I'm not sure, but one idea I would advocate for is to reorganize society such that it is made as easy as possible for men to create value for themselfs, e.g., by giving them more, not less or equal support during their education and on the job market, as a way to offset the higher need men have to provide some additional incentive for a partner to choose them.

Also, introduce some incentive, be they financial or status incentives, for women to want to find and bind themselfs to a partner. Have the state support families such that any woman wants to find some male to settle down with, scale these incentives up over time to push people towards making their relationship work and building stable families, try to create some baseline desirability for men as partners to mirror the baseline attractiveness women are gifted with.

On the details I have no strong opinions, it seems to me like that would require people with legal and financial expertise I can't offer, not to mention my predicted date for an AI apocalypse of around 15 years would mean we will never get to realize much of this anyhow, but that's fine by me. I would be satisfied if I would just live to see society be forced to realize how unfair and immoral they all have behaved in the last decades, have the ideologues who pushed for this be shamed and ridiculed and slowly pushed out of the academic mainstream. For me the journey is the goal, so to speak.

If AI ends up badly the details for the later stages won't matter, if AI does work out well the conditions might change so drastically that everything has to be reassessed anyways. The general direction we need to start moving towards seems clear and it has nothing to do with large scale violence or societal collapse or w/e other nonsense people might wishfully fantasize about, it's time for men to overcome humanity's innate predisposition against their sex by forming a functional interest group.

 

[Lonesome Bright]

So much niggers infighting in the community because of perceived "fakecelness" of some (insert niche) features that one has on his face or height. Shitskin? Fakecel!!! Light skin? Fakecel!!!

The reality is, inceldom is largely a social problem. 60% of young men are virgins. None of 'looksmaxxing" will change anything when it comes to making an impact on the social scale; at worst, looksmaxxing can increase the threshold and making it even worse for those who can't pay for surgeries and shit.

Until the hypergamy problem is addressed (through cultural changes), none of this will produce anything, arguing over individual features doesn't make sense statistically wise.

Inceldom should extend politically as a ideology, not just a condition. Just as people of religions believe in their ideas, we should believe in the general idea of lowering hypergamy. My point is that, when you see a Muslim, you should expect that he believes in one god. Likewise, when you see a self identifting incel, you should also expect that he is pro "beta uprising" (exaggerated ik)

no itis a genetic problem ugly landwhales need to die alone like us so no more ugly humans get born to suffer on this earth.