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RageFuel Imagine hating those whom you depend upon to do the heavy lifting while being prideful about vague intangible things like branding & reputation.

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This kind of pride/hatred as no basis. Marketing and branding isn't real value creation. Financialization isn't real value creation. Producing high quality tangible goods are the ONLY source of value, and you're incapable of it. You're incapable or unwilling to do the heavy lifting that the bugmen slaves are willing to do and you hate them when they point it out to you.
 
@based_meme thoughts?
 
@based_meme thoughts?
Reputation will always matter, even of corporations in hyper-capitalist societies. I don't know the consumer laws in China, but in America corporations can't sell you broken garbage or have blatantly unethical practices without negative consequence (fines, lowered stock prices etc.). A good example is Subway. The face of their company turned out to be a diddler and that tanked their sales.
 
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but in America corporations can't sell you broken garbage without negative consequence (fines, lowered stock prices etc.).
Corporations can sell you subpar/mediocre products though just by hyping it up. They employ marketing teams who use every trick of psychological manipulation known to man to rig public opinion in their favor. How else do you think Apple has made it so far? Public opinion isn't a proper guardrail against deception. Branding means you pay through your teeth for much less (theft).
 
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Corporations can sell you subpar/mediocre products though just by hyping it up. They employ marketing teams who use every trick of psychological manipulation known to man to rig public opinion in their favor.
Correct. And then consumers give reviews and their sales figures take a hit.

How else do you think Apple has made it so far?
Vietnamese slave labor, shady shit like paywall locking important vulnerability updates behind new iphone purchases, and overpricing. Also, greasing palms in politics (but everyone does that).

Public opinion isn't a proper guardrail against deception. Branding means you pay through your teeth for much less.
I didn't say that it was, but yes, you're almost always overpaying, though not always for less.
 
And then consumers give reviews and their sales figures take a hit.
Except they don't always take a hit because consumers are manipulated into loving overrated brands.
 
Except they don't always take a hit because consumers are manipulated into loving overrated brands.
That's one of the functions of advertising and marketing aka corporate propaganda. I don't know why you believe that this makes China better somehow, especially since their corporations behave the same way.
 
What does this mean?
It means that the Chinese are willing to work like slaves to build their nation.
So what? High quality slave labor is essential for a civilization's success. Always has been, always will be. The people of the West fell when it gave into humanism, slave morality, and stopped being good slaves.
 
It means that the Chinese are willing to work like slaves to build their nation.
But how do know that this is true? How do you know they even give a shit about the "glory of the nation," or some other nationalistic and patriotic shit, instead of working to feed themselves and their family?
 
But how do know that this is true? How do you know they even give a shit about the "glory of the nation," or some other nationalistic and patriotic shit, instead of working to feed themselves and their family?
It doesn't matter. What matters is that they're willing and able to do slave labor.
 
It doesn't matter. What matters is that they're willing and able to do slave labor.
If I'm understand you correctly, your argument is that slave labor makes nations great and that this makes China great because their people are willing to do slave labor?

That's it, right?
 
If I'm understand you correctly, your argument is that slave labor makes nations great and that this makes China great because their people are willing to do slave labor?

That's it, right?
Yes.
 
no one gives a shit about rich fucks losing money gfys bugman. Chink wageslaves work for pennies and the kike shareholders just pocket the difference not having to pay real labor costs, fucking up our economy but at least shlomo and boomers can enrich themselves until our whole economy comes crashing down.

The only "lifting" China does is lifting all our jobs and stealing our future. Nuke China until Beijing looks like a parking lot.
 
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If I'm understand you correctly, your argument is that slave labor makes nations great and that this makes China great because their people are willing to do slave labor?

That's it, right?
Am I wrong? Both the Victorian Era and Gilded Age produced rapid growth and development when worker rights were diminished. Once the working class gained rights and entitlements, economic stagnation and financialization followed leading to economic and social devastation.
 
Am I wrong?
Maybe about the Chinese people and their attitudes on slave labor as it relates to building a great nation, since neither of us are Chinese nor do we know what the Chinese people think.

About the notion slave labor itself that leads to building a great nation, I think that's wrong, but I have no definitive evidence for it. That's something a historian (or anyone else with sufficient historical knowledge) will be able to confirm/deny.

Both the Victorian Era and Gilded Age produced rapid growth and development when worker rights were diminished. Once the working class gained rights and entitlements, economic stagnation and financialization followed leading to economic and social devastation.
I don't know enough to comment.
 
The only "lifting" China does is lifting all our jobs and stealing our future. Nuke China until Beijing looks like a parking lot.
Cheap Chinese goods did make Americans materially rich though, no doubt about it. And its not like Americans are willing to work for dirt cheap wages to produce the goods for themselves.
 

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