Discussion I'm questioning the blackpill

[franco]

so to begin with, i am very aware of how much looks and height really impact the lives of every man, including me of course, being a victim of hypergamy.

but recently I've been questioning something a lot. how does everyone always make the "i know a guy" argument when it comes to discussing the blackpill, and most of the times it's true.
me personally I've seen a few guys with a questionable height and face manage to get at least one relationship and even have sex,
of course they can still be oofy doofies, get cheated on, cucked etc.
but I mean, they still managed to get something, which i didn't.
and I don't really think they were able to do that with the so called "personality" and nothing else.

so, how is this possible? how do these people do it? is it just luck? i need answers, because i can't think of any good reasons honestly.

 

[INVERTER]

so to begin with, i am very aware of how much looks and height really impact the lives of every man, including me of course, being a victim of hypergamy.

but recently I've been questioning something a lot. how does everyone always make the "i know a guy" argument when it comes to discussing the blackpill, and most of the times it's true.
me personally I've seen a few guys with a questionable height and face manage to get at least one relationship and even have sex,
of course they can still be oofy doofies, get cheated on, cucked etc.
but I mean, they still managed to get something, which i didn't.
and I don't really think they were able to do that with the so called "personality" and nothing else.

so, how is this possible? how do these people do it? is it just luck? i need answers, because i can't think of any good reasons honestly.

It's like getting a job.

People claim to hate pedophiles but will sympathize with the pedophile they know.

It's about who will vouch for you regardless of merit or anything else

But regardless, the better looking will always get the benefit of the doubt

 

[nihilum]

so, how is this possible? how do these people do it? is it just luck? i need answers, because i can't think of any good reasons honestly.

They are neurotypical.

They are not neurodivergent.

 

[franco]

They are neurotypical.

They are not neurodivergent.

so you're telling me this is all it takes??
this is pretty much contradictory to the blackpill, what about face height etc.
even if i were nt i still wouldn't even have a chance to touch a woman's hand let alone take her to bed

 

[nihilum]

so you're telling me this is all it takes??
this is pretty much contradictory to the blackpill, what about face height etc.
even if i were nt i still wouldn't even have a chance to touch a woman's hand let alone take her to bed

NTpill is valid.

https://incels.wiki/w/Neurotypical

 

[nihilum]

so you're telling me this is all it takes??
this is pretty much contradictory to the blackpill, what about face height etc.
even if i were nt i still wouldn't even have a chance to touch a woman's hand let alone take her to bed

69% of high functioning autistic adolescents want relationships, but almost none succeed

 

[nihilum]

so you're telling me this is all it takes??
this is pretty much contradictory to the blackpill, what about face height etc.
even if i were nt i still wouldn't even have a chance to touch a woman's hand let alone take her to bed

44.6% of high functioning adult autistic men remain virgins, despite high sex/relationship drive

 

[INVERTER]

so you're telling me this is all it takes??
this is pretty much contradictory to the blackpill, what about face height etc.
even if i were nt i still wouldn't even have a chance to touch a woman's hand let alone take her to bed

Blackpill should include NDpill

They go hand in hand anyway. You don't see too many Chad autists unless they are LARPing

 

[nihilum]

so you're telling me this is all it takes??
this is pretty much contradictory to the blackpill, what about face height etc.
even if i were nt i still wouldn't even have a chance to touch a woman's hand let alone take her to bed

Male autists reproduce half as often as female autists or less

 

[franco]

NTpill is valid.

https://incels.wiki/w/Neurotypical

 

[nihilum]

Blackpill should include NDpill

They go hand in hand anyway. You don't see too many Chad autists unless they are LARPing

https://incels.wiki/w/Asperger's_syndrome

 

[INVERTER]

https://incels.wiki/w/Asperger's_syndrome

Are you saying there could be Asperger's chads? I doubt it

 

[nihilum]

Are you saying there could be Asperger's chads? I doubt it

“69% of high functioning autistic adolescents want relationships, but almost none succeed”

 

[nihilum]

Are you saying there could be Asperger's chads? I doubt it

“Autistic men were found to masturbate more and have a greater desire for a relationship than normal men. So their perpetual virginity couldn't be attributed to a lack of interest in sex. However, despite their strong desire for sexual relationships, only 16% of autistic men were in such a relationship, while 82% of NT men were in a relationship. Thus, NT men were 5x more likely to be in a relationship than their autistic counterparts.”

 

[RandomGuy]

They are neurotypical.

They are not neurodivergent.

 

[INVERTER]

“Autistic men were found to masturbate more and have a greater desire for a relationship than normal men. So their perpetual virginity couldn't be attributed to a lack of interest in sex. However, despite their strong desire for sexual relationships, only 16% of autistic men were in such a relationship, while 82% of NT men were in a relationship. Thus, NT men were 5x more likely to be in a relationship than their autistic counterparts.”

Yah the NDpill is definitely included in the blackpill. It isn't JUST looks. It's ND > height > looks unless you have extremely grotesque looks which can supersede the others.

 

[nihilum]

Yah the NDpill is definitely included in the blackpill. It isn't JUST looks. It's ND > height > looks unless you have extremely grotesque looks which can supersede the others.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

me personally I've seen a few guys with a questionable height and face manage to get at least one relationship and even have sex,

Depends on what you mean by "questionable height and face" here. Men are often seriously bad at rating other men, and, say, a guy being an inch or two shorter than average, but having a decent face to compensate, is likely going to get laid from what I've seen IRL.

of course they can still be oofy doofies, get cheated on, cucked etc.

True as well.

but I mean, they still managed to get something, which i didn't.
and I don't really think they were able to do that with the so called "personality" and nothing else.

so, how is this possible? how do these people do it? is it just luck? i need answers, because i can't think of any good reasons honestly.

Luck is also a factor. After that, it's transactional relationships as you've mentioned, those men being actually more attractive than maybe most men would guess, and of course, simple mismatched and unlikely pairings exist as well.

 

[Sir Silentium]

It's not impossible, just a lot rarer than the other way around

 

[WizardInTraining]

99% of these cases don’t disprove the blackpill a 4/10 is never going to be desired in the same way a Chadlite or Chad is. The foid will have ulterior motives 9 times out of 10, betabuxxing actually proves the blackpill by proving the duel female mating strategy.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

The fact that outliers exist doesn't make the blackpill completely irrelevant.

Plus the blackpill isn't just one non-negotiable generalization. It's more complicated than that. Blackpill is a multitude of small laws that combined to each other, makes a much more complicated concept to grasp and apprehend than many ppl think. (Might do a thread about this soon)

 

[Thaway]

how does everyone always make the "i know a guy" argument when it comes to discussing the blackpill, and most of the times it's true.

From my experience, it's never true.

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

oofy doofies, get cheated on, cucked

 

[AutismHaver]

ure probably right that its not as big of a deal as it seems, ofc im not gonna dismiss that it has some effect though

 

[jo_yugislayer08]

so to begin with, i am very aware of how much looks and height really impact the lives of every man, including me of course, being a victim of hypergamy.

but recently I've been questioning something a lot. how does everyone always make the "i know a guy" argument when it comes to discussing the blackpill, and most of the times it's true.
me personally I've seen a few guys with a questionable height and face manage to get at least one relationship and even have sex,
of course they can still be oofy doofies, get cheated on, cucked etc.
but I mean, they still managed to get something, which i didn't.
and I don't really think they were able to do that with the so called "personality" and nothing else.

so, how is this possible? how do these people do it? is it just luck? i need answers, because i can't think of any good reasons honestly.

u literally learned fucking nothing from here, 11h wasted in vain, it's survivorship bias nigger

 

[Sex-Starved Beast]

"How come I see ugly dudes with girlfriends?" Thread no. 135,940

The fact that outliers exist

Outliers don't exist. The blackpill is law. If the blackpill could make exceptions, then they would be bound to eventually happen to us too. How come there are so many relationships that are "exceptions" to the blackpill, but we never get the chance to be one of them? These dudes were never undateable like we are in the first place. (funny how when I said this with different wording I got a 20% ban)

From my experience, it's never true.

how does everyone always make the "i know a guy" argument when it comes to discussing the blackpill, and most of the times it's true

Every time someone makes this argument, once you actually see who they are talking about, it turns out that they were wrong. First of all, you're most likely underrating the dude and overrating the femoid. People will see a looksmatched couple and claim that the female is leagues above. And most of you rate men by the homosexual looksmaxx standards rather than the women's standards. Some of you don't even understand women's preferences. Then there's the NTpill.

so you're telling me this is all it takes??

That's not all it takes, but it's more important the further you are from the extremes of the looks scale.

this is pretty much contradictory to the blackpill, what about face height etc.

If experience contradicts you theory, then either you're mistaken about what you saw, or your theory is wrong. Your understanding of the blackpill that needs to be reviewed. Of course guys below a face or height theshold are still incels regardless of NT, but NT matters... a lot. SMV is looks + brain. Foids select for mental genetics just like they do with looks (though not as much). They get the same unshakeable ick from seeing autistic behavior as the one they get from seeing that you are short.

Are you saying there could be Asperger's chads? I doubt it

If you have Chad looks, then wether you have autism or not is irrelevant. But at average or even a little above average looks, it can make or break your SMV. With that said, I've seen far more asperger HTN men get girlfriends than I've seen ugly dudes with girlfriends. The only incel I met in real life was NT, he was just too ugly.

 

[franco]

u literally learned fucking nothing from here, 11h wasted in vain, it's survivorship bias nigger

you seem pretty angry, must be because you didn't get the point.
i never denied the blackpill and as already stated I know how much looks matter.
but i was wondering some specific instances of ugly/short men being able to slay. just that, I don't understand what would make you so mad

 

[franco]

"How come I see ugly dudes with girlfriends?" Thread no. 135,940


Outliers don't exist. The blackpill is law. If the blackpill could make exceptions, then they would be bound to eventually happen to us too. How come there are so many relationships that are "exceptions" to the blackpill, but we never get the chance to be one of them? These dudes were never undateable like we are in the first place. (funny how when I said this with different wording I got a 20% ban)





Every time someone makes this argument, once you actually see who they are talking about, it turns out that they were wrong. First of all, you're most likely underrating the dude and overrating the femoid. People will see a looksmatched couple and claim that the female is leagues above. And most of you rate men by the homosexual looksmaxx standards rather than the women's standards. Some of you don't even understand women's preferences. Then there's the NTpill.


That's not all it takes, but it's more important the further you are from the extremes of the looks scale.


If experience contradicts you theory, then either you're mistaken about what you saw, or your theory is wrong. Your understanding of the blackpill that needs to be reviewed. Of course guys below a face or height theshold are still incels regardless of NT, but NT matters... a lot. SMV is looks + brain. Foids select for mental genetics just like they do with looks (though not as much). They get the same unshakeable ick from seeing autistic behavior as the one they get from seeing that you are short.


If you have Chad looks, then wether you have autism or not is irrelevant. But at average or even a little above average looks, it can make or break your SMV. With that said, I've seen far more asperger HTN men get girlfriends than I've seen ugly dudes with girlfriends. The only incel I met in real life was NT, he was just too ugly.

okay, i get it now and thanks for clarifying instead of just insulting me for no reason.

 

[DjentlemanDuke]

I think it's mostly luck based and the relationships are highly transactional. There are indeed, many Sub-5 males being in a relationship with foids above their looksmatch but for various reasons, not really love or true love. Oofy doofies (or let's say "weak men") will have many advantages in this modern world and system compared to the traditional and masculine men in primal - feudal era, which are money and status. In a world where the law and rules are made, compliance is everything. With money and currencies, it can exchange for many things, and we can basically do almost everything (not everything). Some foids want a man that is rich enough to fulfill their needs, while weak enough to manipulate. Social status still don't outweigh biological fitness, because you pointed it out, that these "weak men" get cheated on or cucked by their own partner, which shows their true nature. And don't get me started on hypergamy, even the ugliest foid on earth would still get sex, and have the same preferences, just like any attractive foids. Meanwhile, ugly men are cucked and only luck can decide who will have some bitches.

Now, we do know that the blackpill and it's studies are factual, the problem is, these studies also have a lot of flaws for deniability, due to outliers. The same goes for statistics. They do have their own problems when it comes to proving something, and somewhat unreliable, but people still use it. Always look at the majority, not the minority. Everything is luck based.
(After taking the blackpill, there is no way a Sub-5 like me will try to find my first relationship. Outcomes are brutal.)

 

[OmegaRicecel]

so to begin with, i am very aware of how much looks and height really impact the lives of every man, including me of course, being a victim of hypergamy.

but recently I've been questioning something a lot. how does everyone always make the "i know a guy" argument when it comes to discussing the blackpill, and most of the times it's true.
me personally I've seen a few guys with a questionable height and face manage to get at least one relationship and even have sex,
of course they can still be oofy doofies, get cheated on, cucked etc.
but I mean, they still managed to get something, which i didn't.
and I don't really think they were able to do that with the so called "personality" and nothing else.

so, how is this possible? how do these people do it? is it just luck? i need answers, because i can't think of any good reasons honestly.

before we proceed keep in mind that very often foids are overrated in terms of looks and men severely underrated

 

[Thaway]

Some of you don't even understand women's preferences

Exactly. Like 80 percent of the members here do not understand what foids actually find attractive in a partner.

 

[jo_yugislayer08]

you seem pretty angry, must be because you didn't get the point.
i never denied the blackpill and as already stated I know how much looks matter.
but i was wondering some specific instances of ugly/short men being able to slay. just that, I don't understand what would make you so mad

because it's so water "i know a guy" is the most famous normie argument and it's easily explained by survivorship bias. some outliers get lucky due to money/status ,mental illness or drug addiction of the toilet or due to socioeconomic landscape, TOILETS ONLY "LOVE" CHAD but they can settle with inferiors out of necessity or othER factors and those are already outliers btw

 

[Grodd]

Exceptions do not disprove the rule especially when you factor in those exceptions almost always include something strange.

 

[franco]

because it's so water "i know a guy" is the most famous normie argument and it's easily explained by survivorship bias. some outliers get lucky due to money/status ,mental illness or drug addiction of the toilet or due to socioeconomic landscape, TOILETS ONLY "LOVE" CHAD but they can settle with inferiors out of necessity or othER factors and those are already outliers btw

be patient, if I'm here it's also because I'm an iqlet

 

[UndeadDeadMan]

The fact that outliers exist doesn't make the blackpill completely irrelevant.

 

[AutismKing]

The fact that outliers exist doesn't make the blackpill completely irrelevant.

It's not impossible, just a lot rarer than the other way around

 

[jo_yugislayer08]

Exactly. Like 80 percent of the members here do not understand what foids actually find attractive in a partner.

MY GOD, this made me rage to hell ,it's so evident what they prefer get a fucking grip. You're so fucking dumb it's infuriating fuck u and them

 

[Peroz Shapur]

me personally I've seen a few guys with a questionable height and face manage to get at least one relationship and even have sex,

They're cheated on / cucked, in a dead bedroom relationship, or not romantically attractive in the eyes of their womenfolk, it's as simple as that

 

[Peroz Shapur]

I would rather be an Incel than in a Dead Bedroom situation as a 40 year old man

 

[Thaway]

MY GOD, this made me rage to hell ,it's so evident what they prefer get a fucking grip. You're so fucking dumb it's infuriating fuck u and them

lol what are you on about young one?