Discussion if you're on a dry spell for over 10+ years then you're an incel

[kay']

https://incels.is/threads/after-two-years-i-still-a-ghost-and-i-keep-coming-here.616207/

looking at this ban appeal it makes sense to me. Look, i know most of you are autistic and never left their home except for necessary reasons. But if you think logically for a second.

"The sun even shines on a dog's ass someday"

"a broken clock is right twice a day"

Meaning is, getting pitty sex or lucky one time in your life then sitting on a 10+ years dry spell simply means you got either used for a whatever reason or lucky. Luck exist in this cursed life and its a big factor in everything that happens to you.

imagine if @short who is 4'11 went to the club. Literal suifuel experience yes and he should never do that. Or not the club but he simply went to the supermarket to do some groceries shopping and as he was struggling to grab something from the high shelf and to his luck a woman spots him.

Now this woman is a certified pedophile but ofc she wont tell him and tell anyone just like most pedos so not shocking. Women know how to hide their sexual tendencies better.

So she goes up to him and helps him get what he wanted to grab and strikes a conversation with him with a smile and interest ofc because she wana fuck him its not unobvious and he got the message. then she asks him what age is he and he says 20. "Jackpot. And he has a baby face and looks innocent and probably has 0 sexual experience. I want him". This is what her thoughts would be.

Now for sure she will fuck him. Why? to satisfy her pedo tendencies. She will be like "Hell yeah, this is gona be fun and its legal so nothing to worry about". And him being a truecel will definately not reject her. Im not even saying shes ugly or fat she can be average or even hot but does she really like him? is there love here? or the start of a love story? no.

At worst she will fuck him once and then leave him like some human dildo, or at best keep him as a fwb for a while then discard him when shes bored and get back to her husband or bf or real life.

I know most of you will disagree but imo no he didnt ascend, yes he had sex for free but he didnt ascend he was just EXTREMELY lucky to meet someone at the right time, at the right place, who has a kink specifically for his looks.

Thoughts? @Fat Link

 

[Acorn]

An incel reborn

 

[Burdurcel]

I agree. Also I don't consider first sex after 25 as a "ascending". If you're khhv until 25 or lets say 30 and somehow ascending after that age you're still honorary incel.

 

[Fat Link]

Agreed bunny man.

For all intents and purposes we’d still have to ban such a person from our site but at the same time our community’s view on ascension is that it’s based on true romantic love of a woman voluntarily deciding to be with you in a sexual way because she loves you and chooses you for this.

In your proposed scenario the woman in question is simply getting off to her lust of being mean spirited and lustfully selfish.

It’s not even really about the guy.

Now sure most guys are so desperate and horny they don’t care how they get to fuck so long as they get to fuck but I fully believe if every man (that’s not a complete emotionless sociopath that is) had options and thus a real choice in the matter he’d only ever want to fuck a woman that is truly into him in a loving and romantic sense and in so doing didn’t simply seek to use him for her own selfish ends but rather she actually cares for him and about him.

 

[Mecoja]

Depends but its rare. Someone could lucked out with the city bicycle or drunk/drugged girl. Imo it is an ascension. The guy from "being ugly, my experience" is uglier than majority of guys here, yet he had consensual sex many times. Theres exceptions to everything.

@Hell did your scenario, he was a virgin until 32 and then had sex with young, hot girl with whom he shared the same fetish. If we could ask him did he find another girl afterwards, we would have a better answer.

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

This sounds like the Ephebophilia/Hebephilia argument but for inceldom.

 

[highschoolcel]

https://incels.is/threads/after-two-years-i-still-a-ghost-and-i-keep-coming-here.616207/

looking at this ban appeal it makes sense to me. Look, i know most of you are autistic and never left their home except for necessary reasons. But if you think logically for a second.

"The sun even shines on a dog's ass someday"

"a broken clock is right twice a day"

Meaning is, getting pitty sex or lucky one time in your life then sitting on a 10+ years dry spell simply means you got either used for a whatever reason or lucky. Luck exist in this cursed life and its a big factor in everything that happens to you.

imagine if @short who is 4'11 went to the club. Literal suifuel experience yes and he should never do that. Or not the club but he simply went to the supermarket to do some groceries shopping and as he was struggling to grab something from the high shelf and to his luck a woman spots him.

Now this woman is a certified pedophile but ofc she wont tell him and tell anyone just like most pedos so not shocking. Women know how to hide their sexual tendencies better.

So she goes up to him and helps him get what he wanted to grab and strikes a conversation with him with a smile and interest ofc because she wana fuck him its not unobvious and he got the message. then she asks him what age is he and he says 20. "Jackpot. And he has a baby face and looks innocent and probably has 0 sexual experience. I want him". This is what her thoughts would be.

Now for sure she will fuck him. Why? to satisfy her pedo tendencies. She will be like "Hell yeah, this is gona be fun and its legal so nothing to worry about". And him being a truecel will definately not reject her. Im not even saying shes ugly or fat she can be average or even hot but does she really like him? is there love here? or the start of a love story? no.

At worst she will fuck him once and then leave him like some human dildo, or at best keep him as a fwb for a while then discard him when shes bored and get back to her husband or bf or real life.

I know most of you will disagree but imo no he didnt ascend, yes he had sex for free but he didnt ascend he was just EXTREMELY lucky to meet someone at the right time, at the right place, who has a kink specifically for his looks.

Thoughts? @Fat Link

Completly agree.

One of my friend (mogs you for having friends, I know) is a 30+ unemployed weed addict incel. He does manage to fuck a 40 yo + landwhales about once every 2 years at the expense of being on tinder every single day.

Treating men like that as "sexhavers" is retarded.

 

[RegularManlet]

Yeah I have thought about this myself, I think it's a line that's drawn as a standard for being able to use this site, and then some users on here like to LARP as the biggest truecel of all so they can't fathom the idea of this, to some users if a girl locks eyes with you and does not immediately puke than they must be fakecel so obviously an idea such as this you propose will not be supported by everyone but definitely a decade with no love or anything from a woman would be pretty bad even if you experienced it at one point

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

I got a lot of flak for arguing a similar thing recently. Nearcels are unfairly marginalized. Escortcels who had sex 100 times are fine but someone who literally got lucky once 10 years ago is a fakecel jfl.

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

I agree. Also I don't consider first sex after 25 as a "ascending". If you're khhv until 25 or lets say 30 and somehow ascending after that age you're still honorary incel.

That's definitely ascending. 25-26 is the age of a first job after getting a master's degree. Plenty of late blooming normies at that age these days. Yeah they're probably nerdy introverts, but normal looking and NT.

 

[veLZixX]

I mean Consensual sex, no matter at what age, is infinitely better than hiring an escort. You can't really compare the two

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

I mean Consensual sex, no matter at what age, is infinitely better than hiring an escort. You can't really compare the two

So a ONS with a drunk, desperate 300lbs swamp monster is not only better than sex with a 10/10 escort, but infinitely better? JFL.

 

[BricABrac]

Escorters who live in places where it's legal, and only want sex, can get it whenever they want they're allowed.

But someone who got molested by some psycho with a sadism fetish, or some "virgin killer" mindset can pick up some loser, who of course knows nothing about what's happening because he's so inexperienced or is otherwise so desperate he doesn't care, he has exploitative sex once and he's not?

I don't know. The problem is the definition of voluntary and celibate. Neither of the two men in the scenarios listed above are celibate? Should be not be allowed?

Anyone who doesn't borrow tens of thousands of dollars to go somewhere to pay a hooker is voluntarily celibate. Hell, everyone who doesn't <grape> some rando, or do drug game, or whatever is celibate "voluntarily." But to demand this is insane.

Not so easy a question as purported.

 

[Epedaphic]

Ah, I think so too… after all, I believe “ascension” has been defined as a relationship or non-paid sex… so in other words it’s pretty well accepted that having had sex alone is insufficient to disqualify one from inkwelldom.

 

[Jailbaitmaxxer]

This sounds like the Ephebophilia/Hebephilia argument but for inceldom.

What does the argument say?

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

No

If you had unpaid sex you are not incel, full stop.

 

[weaselbomber]

No

If you had unpaid sex you are not incel, full stop.

If you can do it once, you can do it again.

 

[AlexDelarge]

If you had unpaid sex you are not incel, full stop

i agree here

real incel will never come in a situation that could any way lead to sex

you cant get lucky. if you are true subhuman not single foid will ever spread her legs for you. under any circumstences.

 

[Fatass3000]

I dont give a fuck if they got lucky, a lot of us have been unlucky our whole lives. I cannot relate with someone who had sex even once.

 

[Fatass3000]

For all intents and purposes we’d still have to ban such a person from our site but at the same time our community’s view on ascension is that it’s based on true romantic love of a woman voluntarily deciding to be with you in a sexual way because she loves you and chooses you for this.

"our communitys view" no, that's only your view. If you make a poll asking people "do you consider a woman simply having sex with a man, even if she doesn't do it because she loves him, just purely for selfish reasons, ascension?" I guarantee you most people will say yes.

Now sure most guys are so desperate and horny they don’t care how they get to fuck so long as they get to fuck but I fully believe if every man (that’s not a complete emotionless sociopath that is) had options and thus a real choice in the matter he’d only ever want to fuck a woman that is truly into him in a loving and romantic sense and in so doing didn’t simply seek to use him for her own selfish ends but rather she actually cares for him and about him.

most man literally don't give a fuck, I have talked to several normies and a lot of them just want sex.

 

[Fatass3000]

I got a lot of flak for arguing a similar thing recently. Nearcels are unfairly marginalized. Escortcels who had sex 100 times are fine but someone who literally got lucky once 10 years ago is a fakecel jfl.

because everyone can fuck an escort. Hell, you could be homeless, beg on the street for a week, and still manage to gather $50 to go fuck an escort. The only man who fuck escorts are bottom of the barrel man. Most man have never had the need for an escort or ever paid for one.

only 14% of man had paid for an escort in 2010. Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna51335501

 

[Fatass3000]

Completly agree.

One of my friend (mogs you for having friends, I know) is a 30+ unemployed weed addict incel. He does manage to fuck a 40 yo + landwhales about once every 2 years at the expense of being on tinder every single day.

Treating men like that as "sexhavers" is retarded.

Your retarded friend could ascend with a becky if he got his shit together. Jfl at expecting a 30+ unemployed weed addict to ascend with normal woman.

 

[highschoolcel]

Your retarded friend could ascend with a becky if he got his shit together. Jfl at expecting a 30+ unemployed weed addict to ascend with normal woman.

Ye he could but too lazy + depressed + weed + unemployment

 

[IronsideCel]

I can agree, but it is still one thing to feel the presumed delight feeling of sex than to go your whole life without it.

 

[Fat Link]

"our communitys view" no, that's only your view. If you make a poll asking people "do you consider a woman simply having sex with a man, even if she doesn't do it because she loves him, just purely for selfish reasons, ascension?" I guarantee you most people will say yes.

most man literally don't give a fuck, I have talked to several normies and a lot of them just want sex.

1. This is @kay'’s idea not mine though sure I agree with it and I’m certainly not disputing our sex starved community would consider any level of a woman choosing to be with a man to have sex with him a form of ascension so not sure why you’re being so hostile on a thought experiment topic I didn’t even create as though it were my idea?

Our very first rule here was brought over by Serge and Master from the r/incels sub long before I was ever a mod or admin here and it states that an incel is someone that wants a romantic relationship but is unable to obtain one so again this was the original community view of ascension ie that it’s romance based not based on some broad playing a sick game with an incel’s heart because she’s trying to get off on a fetish but doesn’t really love him and will immediately leave him once she’s had her fun.

2. You’re talking about normies here and normies have already been in relationships and met the developmental milestone of being chosen by a woman for sex and relationships because women view them attractive enough to deserve this. Of course after they’ve acheived this all they now care about is simply getting sex from almost anyone and not necessarily love to go along with it if their original relationship failed.

Now if you are right about incels just wanting sex no romance required no one one would complain about women being Chad only and we’d be an escort how to forum entirely talking about our prostitution experiences and how to get better deals and find hotter girls as well the safest options among other concerns.

 

[Emba]

"An incel means forever"

 

[Fatass3000]

1. This is @kay'’s idea not mine though sure I agree with it and I’m certainly not disputing our sex starved community would consider any level of a woman choosing to be with a man to have sex with him a form of ascension so not sure why you’re being so hostile on a thought experiment topic I didn’t even create as though it were my idea?

I wasn't really being hostile in my response. And you pinned the post and even agreed with it, you're trying to promote the idea and gradually change this rule. You're a long time member and a mod, because of that, what you say has influence and you know that.

Our very first rule here was brought over by Serge and Master from the r/incels sub long before I was ever a mod or admin here and it states that an incel is someone that wants a romantic relationship but is unable to obtain one so again this was the original community view of ascension ie that it’s romance based not based on some broad playing a sick game with an incel’s heart because she’s trying to get off on a fetish but doesn’t really love him and will immediately leave him once she’s had her fun.

ok but times have changed. A big majority on this forum would agree on not having a sex haver here.

2. You’re talking about normies here and normies have already been in relationships and met the developmental milestone of being chosen by a woman for sex and relationships because women view them attractive enough to deserve this. Of course after they’ve acheived this all they now care about is simply getting sex from almost anyone and not necessarily love to go along with it if their original religion failed.

You're overestimating how much relationships play a role in development. Ultimately, relationships give you the feeling of being wanted and someone of importance, but sex gives the exact same feeling. Most normies enter a relationship not because they actually want it, but because they just want to tick a box on the teen to do list, and because of that they end up getting into a relationship with someone they ain't compatible with and they end up putting no effort, which ends up with the relationship ending shortly. This is why most teen relationships fail.

Now if you are right about incels just wanting sex no romance required no one one complain about women being Chad only and we’d be an escort how to forum entirely talking about our prostitution experiences and how to get better deals and find hotter girls as well the safest options among other concerns.

escorts don't satisfy us due to the fact that anyone can get them. While if a woman chose to have sex with us, we would feel validated, and like we are worth something. Us not being able to get sex with non prostitutes give us this feeling of inadequacy. I'm not denying that a lot of us here also want romance, but if we were able to at least get sex from woman, we would be able to cope with that and a male incel forum would had never been made in the first place.

 

[Fat Link]

I’m not trying to change or promote anything.

Bunny man and I are friends and I regularly pin his threads for that reason and that they are high quality topics.

 

[VictimofBpillReaper]

Now if you are right about incels just wanting sex no romance required no one one would complain about women being Chad only and we’d be an escort how to forum entirely talking about our prostitution experiences and how to get better deals and find hotter girls as well the safest options among other concerns.

This is basically what I tell normies when the say "All incels care about is sex "

 

[Fatass3000]

I’m not trying to change or promote anything.

Bunny man and I are friends and I regularly pin his threads for that reason and that they are high quality topics.

my bad for misunderstanding then.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

One of my friend (mogs you for having friends, I know) is a 30+ unemployed weed addict incel. He does manage to fuck a 40 yo + landwhales about once every 2 years at the expense of being on tinder every single day.

>Having a sex life with women in your own league instead of somehow pulling models despite being an unemployed weed addict
>Incel

Pick one brocel.

No

If you had unpaid sex you are not incel, full stop.

If you can do it once, you can do it again.

 

[Multicell]

The only man who fuck escorts are bottom of the barrel man.

Depends on the country. Going into a little room with red-lighted windows in Amsterdam is - for almost ALL normies there - as normal as going to do a dump in the other kind of toilets. In china a BJ is standard included with a haircut. Jfl.

 

[motherfucker8]

tfw you know no woman will pick you cause of a fetish, the truest of truecel traits

 

[LifeMaxxer]

Inceldom and being sub5 are separate things. By all means, this guy is still sub5. It’s not only about relationships but about life. He gets treated like a sub5. The fact that he got lucky once really could be omitted but for the sake of site management and not making every entrance to the site a case by case basis, it’s probably better if he remains banned.

 

[LifeMaxxer]

But man, goes to show you how it’s never really over. It’s like a really shitty gacha game, where you can get lucky and obtain a 0.01% unit or moment in this case. That guy is definitely more truecel than some of the other people here but a miracle happened.

 

[VideoGameCoper]

I actually agree with this. Just because you get lucky once doesn’t mean much if it’s not going to happen again. Lucking out once and never getting it again is a drop in the ocean. All the isolation and loneliness FAR outweighs the little fun you had and you will be back to the same lonely guy who can’t get women for shit. Going on a decade long dry spell makes you an Incel as far as I’m concerned despite what others think. I never had free sex, but if I managed to coax a drunk girl to fuck me once and it never happened again in my life I’d still be an incel. Here’s an analogy I like. You take a basic slow car to race against a fast muscle car. The muscle car breaks down shortly after accelerating and your slow car wins the race only because of freaky luck. Does that mean your slow car is now fast? Of fucking course not. You just got lucky something freaky happened and it will likely never happen again.

 

[LifeMaxxer]

@Audley Porter what do you think about this thread. I agree with him but the guy shouldn’t be unbanned just for site consistency

 

[kay']

I’m not trying to change or promote anything.

Bunny man and I are friends and I regularly pin his threads for that reason and that they are high quality topics.

 

[eldercelder]

He does manage to fuck a 40 yo + landwhales about once every 2 years at the expense of being on tinder every single day.

Treating men like that as "sexhavers" is retarded.

Well, if your friend gets consensual sex sometimes, and will continue to get consensual sex sometimes in the future, he's not exactly involuntarily celibate. He may want more sex and better sex with better looking foids. But he's not completely celibate. So, I disagree, he shouldn't be considered an incel. He is a sex-haver, even if he's not having as much sex or the kind of sex he wish he was having. He's what we'd call a nearcel.

But, at the same time, incel doesn't mean virgin. If it did, we wouldn't need the word incel, we'd simply say virgin. No, an incel is someone who is involuntarily celibate.

If Chad is fucking foids left and right, then suddenly has a car battery explode in his face, leaving him hideously disfigured and unfuckable, he's now an incel. No, he's not a virgin. He's had consensual sex before when he was good-looking. But, due to his new-found deformity, no foid will touch him now. He still wants to have consensual sex, but can't have it, and never will again. He's not a KHHV, but he's now an incel. Because of his new circumstances, he's involuntarily celibate. He still wants to have sex like he used to, but he can't, and never will be able to ever again.

And that's why we have terms like TRUECEL vs. KHHV vs. INCEL vs. NEAR-CEL.

Why do so many people struggle with these basic and easily-understandable concepts?

And, yeah, if some dude managed to fuck a fat chick ONCE back in high school but hasn't been able to repeat that....he's now in his 50s and hasn't had consensual sex in over 30 years despite wanting to, I think it's fair to call him an incel (involuntarily celibate). He's not a KHHV. He got to fuck once-upon-a-time. But after decades of having no further luck, yes, he's celibate against his will.

 

[kay']

Just have sex on your death bed with a hot nurse who has necrophilia kink so you become chad before you die theory.

 

[PersonalityParty]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJxya0CWco

 

[kay']

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJxya0CWco

PersonalityChad is online mango dafuq?

 

[PersonalityParty]

PersonalityChad is online mango dafuq?

Just saw this zero digit IQ thread and had to comment tbh. Can't believe it's actually pinned JFL

 

[kay']

Just saw this zero digit IQ thread and had to comment tbh. Can't believe it's actually pinned JFL

So you were always online as lurker instead of logging in.

Thats kinda pathetic mang

 

[PersonalityParty]

So you were always online as lurker instead of logging in.

Thats kinda pathetic mang

Nah, someone linked it to me on another evil competitor forum

 

[kay']

Nah, someone linked it to me on another evil competitor forum

feels good to know my high iq threads are on all orums

 

[PersonalityParty]

my high iq threads

On opposite day maybe

 

[highschoolcel]

Well, if your friend gets consensual sex sometimes, and will continue to get consensual sex sometimes in the future, he's not exactly involuntarily celibate. He may want more sex and better sex with better looking foids. But he's not completely celibate. So, I disagree, he shouldn't be considered an incel. He is a sex-haver, even if he's not having as much sex or the kind of sex he wish he was having. He's what we'd call a nearcel.

But, at the same time, incel doesn't mean virgin. If it did, we wouldn't need the word incel, we'd simply say virgin. No, an incel is someone who is involuntarily celibate.

If Chad is fucking foids left and right, then suddenly has a car battery explode in his face, leaving him hideously disfigured and unfuckable, he's now an incel. No, he's not a virgin. He's had consensual sex before when he was good-looking. But, due to his new-found deformity, no foid will touch him now. He still wants to have consensual sex, but can't have it, and never will again. He's not a KHHV, but he's now an incel. Because of his new circumstances, he's involuntarily celibate. He still wants to have sex like he used to, but he can't, and never will be able to ever again.

And that's why we have terms like TRUECEL vs. KHHV vs. INCEL vs. NEAR-CEL.

Why do so many people struggle with these basic and easily-understandable concepts?

And, yeah, if some dude managed to fuck a fat chick ONCE back in high school but hasn't been able to repeat that....he's now in his 50s and hasn't had consensual sex in over 30 years despite wanting to, I think it's fair to call him an incel (involuntarily celibate). He's not a KHHV. He got to fuck once-upon-a-time. But after decades of having no further luck, yes, he's celibate against his will.

My point is that the problem is broader that incel dom and affects nearcels / occasional sex havera and even married people : it’s gymocentrism

I

 

[highschoolcel]

In china a BJ is standard included with a haircut. Jfl.

I’m sorry what ?

 

[prajeet88]

I'm a virgin but incel literally means involuntarily celibate. It refers to the person's current status, a man can bang 100s of women then become a monk. Obvs that kind of man don't belong here, I'm just saying that incel != virgin.