Discussion If you are already incel-tier, high standards do not make you a volcel.

[Deleted member 18193]

"Volcel if you wouldn't"

Just lol. You are not the one that makes the choice of whether or not you get to have sex with her.

The only way you can be a volcel if you are not incel-tier (meaning that your looks deter every women), or (even worse) if you have personally rejected foids before.

Anyone who is saying otherwise is basically implying AWALT isn't true (landwhales, curryfoids, etc. will settle for less). So which is it, .co? It can't be both.

Here is a 2019 poll on AWALT. I suspect the type of user who answers no would logically come to the conclusion that standards always make you a volcel. But it's the minority.

Opinion about women poll | Incels.co - Involuntary Celibate

I have been thinking about this for a while and wanted to know what other people think. Please feel free to explain your choice.

incels.co

 

[TheSecondComing]

If you are already incel-tier, high standards do not make you a volcel.

just makes you look dumb dumb

 

[Deleted member 18193]

If you are already incel-tier, high standards do not make you a volcel.

just makes you look dumb dumb

Awalt isn't true then.

 

[TheSecondComing]

Awalt isn't true then.

no but i already hit my quota for """serious posts""" today so think whatever you want

 

[Alone75]

"Volcel if you wouldn't"

I see it as just a joke, or at worst a thing fakecel normies say because they know they can personally get uglier women if they wanted to.

 

[frustratedhapa]

volcel

 

[Deleted member 18193]

no but i already hit my quota for """serious posts""" today so think whatever you want

It's NOT that I am saying this is the absolute truth, what I am saying is that it can not be BOTH. That is literally the entire point of the post. Nothing more. At least THINK about it before replying.

 

[Deleted member 24293]

My standards are ridiculously low

 

[Transcended Trucel]

agreed. the volcel fags think fucking adult version of this orc would be Ascension.

 

[Irredeemable]

While I do agree, standardposting hollows the forum's ethos.

@Napoleon de Geso being an example.

 

[Deleted member 18193]

volcel

What you are saying is that women WILL settle for incel-tier men. (In that case, were they really incel-tier in the first place?)

 

[frustratedhapa]

What you are saying is that women WILL settle for incel-tier men. (In that case, were they really incel-tier in the first place?)

No, but I could turn that question around on you...if you have high standards, are you even really incel-tier in the first place?
We are the ones who have to pursue women. They're not the ones coming to us and showing interest (only Chad has that privilege). So if your standards are so high that you do not pursue low-tier women then how do you know you're even incel? Maybe if you lowered your standards you would actually have success..?

 

[Deleted member 21768]

The problem is I don't have high standards. Most of the girls I'm attracted to are not 8 and up.

 

[GoffSystemQB]

The only way you can be a volcel if you are not incel-tier (meaning that your looks deter women), or (even worse) if you have personally rejected foids before.

Anyone who is saying otherwise is basically implying AWALT isn't true (landwhales, curryfoids, etc. will settle for less). So which is it, .co? It can't be both.

No, they're asserting your basement dweller interpretation of AWALT is false -- that is if you get rejected by one gigastacy that it's over and it never began.

Do you know how stupid it sounds that if you get rejected by a gigastacy supermodel that it means you've been rejected by every single girl? Lol.

What you fail to understand is that the casual narcissism of women affects their standards and what they feel they are "entitled" to. In the same way that narcissistic standard'cels' — such as potentially yourself —hide under the guise of "sexual attraction" to obfuscate their ego, pride, etc which gives way to feel they "deserve better", women do the exact same thing.

What you imagine that you "deserve", what partner your okay with showing your friends/family/society, or even just general non-sexual aesthetic appeal is not the same as sexual attraction. For example, can @Napoleon de Geso 's dick only get hard for 0.000001% of girls or whatever his swipe rate is?

Of course not, lol. Most people like him and those that desire stacies or gigastacies can get hard for a becky or even much less. It's just that they feel that they "deserve" women better or they want someone to "counteract their shit genetics" or something of the sort.

 

[radishman]

It's why the "would you date __" threads are low iq. With very few exceptions (and even then) ain't nobody turning down shit.

 

[Deleted member 18193]

No, but I could turn that question around on you...if you have high standards, are you even really incel-tier in the first place?
We are the ones who have to pursue women. They're not the ones coming to us and showing interest (only Chad has that privilege). So if your standards are so high that you do not pursue low-tier women then how do you know you're even incel? Maybe if you lowered your standards you would actually have success..?

I think I can see the confusion here. I am saying that you gain the knowledge that you are an incel because of your looks, while you are saying that you gain the knowledge of being an incel from the rejections you have had. Yes, it is a must to have tried with low-tier women to secure that you are incel. But if you are a trucel like me, did any of that even have to occur in the first place? think about it.

 

[TheSecondComing]

At least THINK about it before replying.

never.

 

[Deleted member 18193]

No, they're asserting your basement dweller interpretation of AWALT is false -- that is if you get rejected by one gigastacy that it's over and it never began.

Do you know how stupid it sounds that if you get rejected by a gigastacy supermodel that it means you've been rejected by every single girl? Lol.

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What you fail to understand is that the casual narcissism of women affects their standards and what they feel they are "entitled" to. In the same way that narcissistic standard'cels' — such as potentially yourself —hide under the guise of "sexual attraction" to obfuscate their ego, pride, etc which gives way to feel they "deserve better", women do the exact same thing.

What you imagine that you "deserve", what partner your okay with showing your friends/family/society, or even just general non-sexual aesthetic appeal is not the same as sexual attraction. For example, can @Napoleon de Geso 's dick only get hard for 0.000001% of girls or whatever his swipe rate is?

Of course not, lol. Most people like him and those that desire stacies or gigastacies can get hard for a becky or even much less. It's just that they feel that they "deserve" women better or they want someone to "counteract their shit genetics" or something of the sort.

THIS interpretation of awalt makes more sense.

Let me ask you a question now. At which looks-tier does a standardscel become a volcel? 2/10? 3/10? 4/10? There surely must be a looks-tier where over 99.999% women do not want that guy. ...Am I not correct?

So whether or not that specific guy has low or high standards has no bearing on whether or not he is voluntarily celibate. I should have wrote "truecel" or 1/10 in the title, because this is really just focusing on a special case.

In that case, most of us incels do have someone in the world that would be attracted to us, wouldn't they?

 

[GoffSystemQB]

THIS interpretation of awalt makes more sense.

Let me ask you a question now. At which looks-tier does a standardscel become a volcel? 2/10? 3/10? 4/10? There surely must be a looks-tier where over 99.999% women do not want that guy. ...Am I not correct?

So whether or not that specific guy has low or high standards has no bearing on whether or not he is voluntarily celibate. I should have wrote "truecel" or 1/10 in the title, because this is really just focusing on a special case.

In that case, most of us incels do have someone in the world that would be attracted to us, wouldn't they?

Sub4 = incel.

Even in the guy in the last-most pane of that study (and many in many other studies) are 4 and above just that he looks much more feminine.

 

[BlkPillPres]

"Volcel if you wouldn't"

Just lol. You are not the one that makes the choice of whether or not you get to have sex with her.

The only way you can be a volcel if you are not incel-tier (meaning that your looks deter every women), or (even worse) if you have personally rejected foids before.

Anyone who is saying otherwise is basically implying AWALT isn't true (landwhales, curryfoids, etc. will settle for less). So which is it, .co? It can't be both.

Here is a 2019 poll on AWALT. I suspect the type of user who answers no would logically come to the conclusion that standards always make you a volcel. But it's the minority.
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Opinion about women poll | Incels.co - Involuntary Celibate

I have been thinking about this for a while and wanted to know what other people think. Please feel free to explain your choice.

incels.co

Retard tier logic, that's like saying if you want to fuck men but no men want to fuck you, that means you aren't a faggot

This is one of the most retarded things I've ever read, I don't see how you formulated this logic in your head and didn't immediately see how nonsensical it is

Your ability to do something and your desire to do something are two separate things, one doesn't nullify the other

You are still volcel if you'd reject certain kinds of women regardless of whether they want you or not, just like you'd be still be gay if you wanted to fuck men but no men wanted you

 

[Deleted member 18193]

Retard tier logic, that's like saying if you want to fuck men but no men want to fuck you, that means you aren't a faggot

This is such a stupid analogy. Your LOOKS define if you are an incel. You do not just magically become not an incel the moment you heighten your standards.

You are still volcel if you'd reject certain kinds of women regardless of whether they want you or not, just like you'd be still be gay if you wanted to fuck men but no men wanted you

VOLUNTARY CELIBATE. Implying they have a CHOICE in their CELIBACY. Incels do NOT have a choice.

 

[frustratedhapa]

I think I can see the confusion here. I am saying that you gain the knowledge that you are an incel because of your looks, while you are saying that you gain the knowledge of being an incel from the rejections you have had. Yes, it is a must to have tried with low-tier women to secure that you are incel. But if you are a trucel like me, did any of that even have to occur in the first place? think about it.

I'm 30 so I'm old enough that the blackpill ideology wasn't around when I was going through puberty or when I was a young adult. I didn't realize it was my looks preventing me from having success with women. I was spoonfed the typical garbage that "wOmEn ArEn'T vIsUaL LiKe MeN, jUsT bE cOnFiDeNt". It took probably about 100 rejections and women telling me to my face that I'm ugly for me to finally make the connection that it's my looks holding me back. So I guess I understand what you're saying. A younger man who was blackpilled early on and knows he is ugly doesn't need to approach women to know he's an incel. All it takes is looking in the mirror. However, I must ask, what is the point of having high standards if you know you're never going to ascend??? Standards for a truecel don't matter since there's no chance of a woman who meets those standards ever being interested in you. So it just seems odd and unnecessary to have high standards, and I can see why some people would think you're a volcel standardcel fakecel for bragging about your high standards.

 

[Mainländer]

If you never tried and is not retarded/deformed, then you're the volcel.

 

[Deleted member 18193]

I'm 30 so I'm old enough that the blackpill ideology wasn't around when I was going through puberty or when I was a young adult. I didn't realize it was my looks preventing me from having success with women. I was spoonfed the typical garbage that "wOmEn ArEn'T vIsUaL LiKe MeN, jUsT bE cOnFiDeNt". It took probably about 100 rejections and women telling me to my face that I'm ugly for me to finally make the connection that it's my looks holding me back. So I guess I understand what you're saying. A younger man who was blackpilled early on and knows he is ugly doesn't need to approach women to know he's an incel. All it takes is looking in the mirror. However, I must ask, what is the point of having high standards if you know you're never going to ascend??? Standards for a truecel don't matter since there's no chance of a woman who meets those standards ever being interested in you. So it just seems odd and unnecessary to have high standards, and I can see why some people would think you're a volcel standardcel fakecel for bragging about your high standards.

Thank you for acknowledging the first point.

I suppose "high standards" wasn't the phrase I was looking for. Very ambiguous terminology. I was more generally referring to the behavior of some people in this forum when they say "she looks disgusting" or "gross" when pictures of a less attractive foid are shown and they are immediately called volcels afterwards. I mainly made this thread in response to that issue.

I understand the thread made the implication that it was acceptable to have high standards; however it really is not. I should have made that clear. You're right when you say it does not make sense. Actually, I do recommend others to lower their standards (something that can be changed) at first and to try and ascend, because you never really know what your looks level is (the experience you get from seeing your face in the mirror is subjective - hence why you often see landwhales claiming they are stacy):

https://incels.is/threads/rare-virgin-stacy.223199/

The only way to find out for certain (so that you have the knowledge you are an incel) is to get your face rated online and do approaches. After you have given up, you can basically say all you want (like I mentioned with the behavior).

 

[Personalityinkwell]

"Volcel if you wouldn't"

I see it as just a joke, or at worst a thing fakecel normies say because they know they can personally get uglier women if they wanted to.

 

[BlkPillPres]

This is such a stupid analogy. Your LOOKS define if you are an incel. You do not just magically become not an incel the moment you heighten your standards.


VOLUNTARY CELIBATE. Implying they have a CHOICE in their CELIBACY. Incels do NOT have a choice.

JFL fool the order of cause and effect matters, there's a big difference between:

1. You deciding you would never date entire groups of woman YOU'VE NEVER APPROACHED who aren't attracted to you
AND
2. You deciding you would never date entire groups of women THAT HAVE EXPRESSED DISINTEREST IN YOU that you JUST HAPPEN TO not be attracted to

Those are two completely different scenarios

The bullshit you are peddling is the reason why we have a site filled with near 6ft and 6ft tall white guys that refuse to approach "dirty gooks" and "nasty curries" yet "I'm incel bro, no blue eyed blondes have ever given me a chance, I'm not volcel"

 

[Deleted member 18193]

JFL fool the order of cause and effect matters, there's a big difference between:

1. You deciding you would never date entire groups of woman YOU'VE NEVER APPROACHED who aren't attracted to you
AND
2. You deciding you would never date entire groups of women THAT HAVE EXPRESSED DISINTEREST IN YOU that you JUST HAPPEN TO not be attracted to

Those are two completely different scenarios

The bullshit you are peddling is the reason why we have a site filled with near 6ft and 6ft tall white guys that refuse to approach "dirty gooks" and "nasty curries" yet "I'm incel bro, no blue eyed blondes have ever given me a chance"

I am not saying to not try. I am not saying it is acceptable or logical to have high standards. Standards can be changed.

The reason I made this thread was in response to some of the threads where people are called volcels simply because they say "she looks disgusting" about some foid. In A LOT of cases, I acknowledge it makes sense that there is a POSSIBILITY that they are volcels, but it should NOT be an immediate conclusion that is drawn.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I am not saying to not try. I am not saying it is acceptable or logical to have high standards. Standards can be changed.

Would you please listen to your own words, if you increase your standards then you will lower your chances of trying and you will decrease the pool of women you try with, so you ARE saying not to try, you are just doing so indirectly, because that is the end result of having high standards

 

[Deleted member 18193]

Would you please listen to your own words, if you increase your standards then you will lower your chances of trying and you will decrease the pool of women you try with, so you ARE saying not to try, you are just doing so indirectly, because that is the end result of having high standards

The improper choice of words made that implication. As I said, the reason I made this thread was to point out that an incel sour grapes coping does not entail voluntary celibacy.

 

[BlkPillPres]

The improper choice of words made that implication. As I said, the reason I made this thread was to point out that an incel sour grapes coping does not entail voluntary celibacy.

You are saying something completely different now, having sour grapes and having high standards aren't the same thing

Sour grapes is you wanting something but telling yourself it isn't worth it or its flawed because you can't get it, having high standards is rejecting something because you don't want it regardless of whether you can get it or not

 

[Deleted member 18193]

You are saying something completely different now, having sour grapes and having high standards aren't the same thing

Sour grapes is you wanting something but telling yourself it isn't worth it or its flawed because you can't get it, having high standards is rejecting something because you don't want it regardless of whether you can get it or not

I am not sure what the correct word would be then

 

[Sheogorath]

If you are already incel-tier, high standards do not make you a volcel.

A more poignant question would be what the concept of standards mean when they are untested theories.

For example: "my ethical standards would prevent me from murdering those who angered me if I was undisputed ruler of the world, law unto myself"

Shit like that is LARPing because it's untested, and so is a lot of "I wouldn't have sex with X woman who wouldn't have sex with me" in many cases, if that's what you're getting at.

That said, I don't think we're talking about "high" standards here OP, just ANY standards whatsoever, which does indeed make you volcel in respect to whatever rare situation.

IE "I would not ascend with a 900 pound 90 year old woman with HIV whose family would shoot me the second I came in her wrinkled pussy"

That's not "high" standards, but it's still "standards", so you're still volcel to that nonagenarian, there's no way around it. We're ALL volcel in some respect, even if we're incel in respect to what matters: our looksmatch and above.

 

[LooksAreLife]

High IQ.

You can't be volcel if no female has ever made it clear that she wants to fuck you and you rejected her.

volcel in most cases is a cope.

 

[Sheogorath]

High IQ.

You can't be volcel if no female has ever made it clear that she wants to fuck you and you rejected her.

volcel in most cases is a cope.

low-IQ

Voluntary celibacy does not require the active rejection of sexual invitations thrown in your lap.

Not pursuing sexual relationships with certain kinds of women you might have a chance of wooing is adequate.

It's not cope for me to think >90% of this forum would have a chance of getting laid with some octogenarian obese nympho.

Just face it, nobody's heart would be in that, it's a depth most of us wouldn't plumb unless desperately drunk and depressed.