Discussion If we don't want youngcels here, how can the blackpill be spread to kids going through adolescence?

[Deleted member 27159]

Youngcels should be allowed. The minimum age requirement should be 16 with some exceptions. Ugly kids should know about the blackpill.

 

[biggsie4me]

Youngcels need to find their own space to work these things out themselves. Blackpill doesn't need to be spread to kids. You go to blackpill. Blackpill doesn't come to you.

Is it the general rule that we do not want youngcels in here? I do think youngcels need an incel community, but they need their own community. They need to learn about blackpill from other kids, not from andry adults with a rope at the ready. There are adults in here, myself included, that could really warp some kids' minds if we let it fly in here. Kids gotta be protected from that.

 

[Lookscel]

I would say they all should be blackpilled. They should atleast clearly know how the world works. But I would still say they should be on looksmax than here for obvious reasons, they might have some chance of ascending through softmaxxing ( considering they can't afford surgery at their age ) or maybe maxillofacial treatment if their parents/insurance pays for it ( it might be beneficial to get it at an young age ). Even tho chances are probably slim.

One user said they should do everything they can during their adolescence to avoid ending up here but if you ask me you don't have control over such things. At the end of the day it's about your looks and you can't change it, unless you have money ofcourse.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

I cannot be bothered with them. My parents, especially my mother is giga bluepilled. Seriously, my mother unironically believed that if I wanted a girlfriend I had to approach one and ask her out for icecream. That's how giga bluepilled my mother is, so yeah they're a liability. Besides they would never loan me money. Believe it or not, the first dollar to my name was given to me last year when I took a job at construction.

Take the mompill. Your mother knows you are unattractive, so she is setting you up to be a beta provider. Tbh this is a very underated pill.

Maybe you're missing the point, or maybe I'm not fully understsnding yours. It isn't to prevent people from getting black pilled, it's to postpone it until after formative milestones and experiences.

I don't think you truly appreciate the damage of learning a bleak, nihilistic, deterministic outlook on life and its experiences can have on a mind that hasn't had those experiences and naturally yearns for them. Black pilling somebody too early is, in essence, stripping away their hope and installing despair. It can be traumatic.

The black pill is not supposed to be therapeutic or diagnostic. It's supposed to be explanatory, and to an extent, preparatory. Informing somebody why they failed has a much different effect than telling them why they're going to fail before they even try and that they shouldn't try.



Do you know why experience is the best teacher? It's because you have many other things attached to the knowledge, namely sensory experiences and the memory attached to it. It's not merely words on paper or a screen. When you read a book on archery techniques it's worlds apart from picking up a bow firing the arrow. Upon repeated failures you may decide to look for instructions and read the book to understand what keeps going wrong. But if you read the book first you might get discouraged and not ever bother picking up a bow.

Though the black pill isn't a set of instructions as much as it is a set of truths and basic principles, a similar idea applies. The lessons from the black pill are learned, understood and appreciated much better after the fact.

Its personally destructive, but its necessary for males to understand the truth so action can be taken by males en masse against foids. The blackpill should be taught from birth tbh. The more males understand the truth, the faster a solution can be found.

 

[Intellectual NPC]

Maybe you're missing the point, or maybe I'm not fully understsnding yours. It isn't to prevent people from getting black pilled, it's to postpone it until after formative milestones and experiences.

I don't think you truly appreciate the damage of learning a bleak, nihilistic, deterministic outlook on life and its experiences can have on a mind that hasn't had those experiences and naturally yearns for them. Black pilling somebody too early is, in essence, stripping away their hope and installing despair. It can be traumatic.

The black pill is not supposed to be therapeutic or diagnostic. It's supposed to be explanatory, and to an extent, preparatory. Informing somebody why they failed has a much different effect than telling them why they're going to fail before they even try and that they shouldn't try.



Do you know why experience is the best teacher? It's because you have many other things attached to the knowledge, namely sensory experiences and the memory attached to it. It's not merely words on paper or a screen. When you read a book on archery techniques it's worlds apart from picking up a bow firing the arrow. Upon repeated failures you may decide to look for instructions and read the book to understand what keeps going wrong. But if you read the book first you might get discouraged and not ever bother picking up a bow.

Though the black pill isn't a set of instructions as much as it is a set of truths and basic principles, a similar idea applies. The lessons from the black pill are learned, understood and appreciated much better after the fact.

The problem with everything you said is that it assumes knowing about the blackpill with instantly turn your view of the world into a bleak and pessimistic one. It doesn't have to. You don't have to swallow it all, but instead take the useful aspects of it. Imagine if you knew about the blackpill at 12 and used that knowledge to looksmax in any way you could. I'm not going to debate the effectiveness of looksmaxxing here, but having that knowledge and acting on what could make your life better in the future seems much more preferable to me than learning things that hard way.

Knowing about the blackpill shouldn't be reserved to the wisest/most experienced as if it were some sort of prestigious group. Perhaps I'm a bit biased because of my interest in looksmaxxing, which is most effective the younger you are, but I do believe that, in general, knowledge is power. You can pick and choose what is beneficial to you if you have the option to, rather than having no option to do so at all.

The problem with teaching the blackpill too early is for most males it gets rid of all long term motivation and discipline for the future because whether they are aware of it or not, most males work hard with the hope of being able to get a woman and maybe a family someday.
Take away that motivator or make it clear and convince them that it is unlikely to happen no matter what because of uncontrollable factors stemming from their looks and how attractive they are to women? Then it is very difficult to motivate males to the same extent. All they then have is the real possibility of failure and ending up living paycheck to paycheck as a wageslave or being homeless if they can't even get a job. Still a motivator but only a dismal one only backed up by possibility of failure in life and poverty.
In this society the original motivation for working hard might be gone but that doesn't mean the penalties aren't.
That's why being blackpilled before you are in college is a bad idea imo. Infact perhaps maybe not until you are close to graduating college after being unable to get a woman even though you tried all sorts of things.


But the thing is the young, disillusioned and ostracized are used to being discarded, coming up short of a real solution and having to constantly reevaluate their position on things numerous times. It wouldn't be any different from how a lot of frustrated white males jumped from PUA redpill philosophy to the alt-right or how celibate males went from redpill self improvement coping to the blackpill. Who is to say in the future something else doesn't come along later that captures their attention and speaks to their experiences better than the blackpill? There's no way to be sure of that.
Also at least some portion of the young, disillusioned and ostracized have the potential to turn against their mentors or people that they previously looked up to when they feel successful living still isn't within their reach. You can see this in how a lot of people here regret wasting their lives on self improvement or going mgtow instead of trying to looksmaxx and sometimes angrily say people that told them to do those things mislead them.

I don't want to be in that position. It's up to teenage males to find out for themselves how to best proceed imo.

It's really up to the individual how they will react to any sort of life-changin knowledge, whether it be the blackpill or anything else. If you really want teenage males to figure things out for themselves they need the tools to do so. Make the blackpill more well-known and males will be able to choose that route if they stand to gain from it. It's all about giving people choice tbh.

 

[mänline]

Seriously, my mother unironically believed that if I wanted a girlfriend I had to approach one and ask her out for icecream.

 

[Robtical]

Knowing about the blackpill shouldn't be reserved to the wisest/most experienced as if it were some sort of prestigious group. Perhaps I'm a bit biased because of my interest in looksmaxxing, which is most effective the younger you are, but I do believe that, in general, knowledge is power. You can pick and choose what is beneficial to you if you have the option to, rather than having no option to do so at all.

High iq. Being blackpilled early can help a lot of low tier normies ascend by looksmaxxing instead of studymaxxing. If they learn how cucked things are they'll be a big group who can rebel against the system and help change it.