Discussion If people didn't stigmatize virgins or lack empathy toward involuntary celibates and helped them find partners, would you have still joined the forum?

[Deleted member 5712]

easy answer. yes i would have stilled joined regardless of how society viewed us
i dont have friends and no close connections in my life. inceldom (least for a while) really is only felt by like 1% of the whole world's population. i feel that is going up but i've been on incel-like forums since the 4chan days when the number was much smaller.

it's an odd but good feeling when you talk to somebody and they share that exact same experience of getting rejected by every girl they've ever took a chance on and it is honestly not that many adult guys that will admit to being virgins except ones that are so defeated and fucking losers. so when you meet a game that is so similar to you then it definitely feels like you are one together in a match of incels vs [Them]

so yes i'd have joined this site just as i've joined similar sites in the past. it will never change how society shifts and acts towards us. in 20 years society could do a 180 and i could get free money and a free government issued wife for being an incel but that isn't going to fix my problems. because in 20 years i'll be dead or too old to care. i wanted my shit fixed 10 years ago. 20 years ago. but alas here we are and it's never going to get better. i'll forever be a broken toy that nobody wants to play with.

last i know there are a few like me

 

[bigantennaemay1]

I come here because it's the only place I'm not stigmatized for something outside of my control. I come here to seek proper advice with a solid foundation in science. I come here because it's the one place where I won't be silenced for having views the mainstream left would deem "unacceptable". I come here because normies, and especially foids, make every other space feel incredibly hostile toward me. So yeah, if soyciety wasn't sociopathic as fuck, I probably wouldn't have joined the incel community, because there would have been no need to.

 

[InMemoriam]

Even if they "helped" let's be honest they the "norms" can only do so much, out of all the manophere ideologies pua's are the most normalized and we saw how much utterly useless normies can be when they supposedly decide to help via pua nonse because at the end of the day those fallacies they trying so desperately to push as fact only represents their worldviews and does not relay or correlate with the hard objectivity we know as the blackpill.

about the stigmatization part that would probably still remain longest there will always be misandrism,genocentrism,halo effect,beauty privilege,hypergamy,feminism
because one thing for sure biology always strikes!

So hell yeah id always join.

 

[cvh1991]

Whenever involuntary celibates talk about their problems, people either trivialize their problems by telling them "there's more to life than sex and relationships", "you have to be happy alone all your life", "sex and relationships are overrated", etc. or they laugh at them or ridicule them for being a virgin. They also give advice such as "autism won't deter you", "being short won't deter you", "just be confident even if you're short, ugly and autistic", etc.

If society helped involuntary celibates out with finding partners, understood them, didn't deny the existence of their problems, didn't give bad advice, didn't trivialize their problems, didn't gaslight them, and didn't stigmatize virgins, would you have still joined this forum?

Think about it carefully before answering.

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No I don’t think I would’ve. At least in large part I arrived here because there was no where else to go.

Any other forum or platform does the things you describe to a sharp T without fail.

If you’re not a woman western society at large will just gaslight you, give zero fucks, and actively mock you at that. Pretty much all the things you laid out. Especially women who ruthlessly shame men that dare point blackpill facts out.

If those things didn’t occur though then I doubt I would’ve found my way here.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I'm still not getting sex or a relationship in that scenario, no matter what.

 

[Mecoja]

Im pretty sure i would.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Biology won’t change. Ugly men will still want women, and when they realize they can’t, they will get blackpilled.

 

[Wilfred]

Yes because all the support in the universe can't do anything about my face and height.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Im pretty sure i would.

Yes because all the support in the universe can't do anything about my face and height.

Biology won’t change. Ugly men will still want women, and when they realize they can’t, they will get blackpilled.

Let’s say in this hypothetical scenario you found someone

 

[Darkcel71]

Yes i would join, but if the whole world was like this, there would be more incels.

 

[Mecoja]

Let’s say in this hypothetical scenario you found someone

Then no, if i had a sex life then no.

 

[svgmn1]

I feel like this is a topic of debate and surprisingly difficult to answer. one part of me wants to say I would've still joined because I am still and incel and they're not, this is because they don't or can not relate to my experiences. this is when sympathy or genuine empathy coupled with understanding is not enough. their consciousness and mind can not relate to our experiences, they will still perceive us in a similar manner, psychological wise. an incel's different route of life is what makes them suffer. regardless this is an imaginary, non realistic take. if we try to follow realism, we are causative philosophically so I think it's easy to agree on the fact that there is a chain of causality that triggered our inceldom, long and cannot be ignored and cannot be concieved by other minds.

therefore it cannot ever be genuine empathy when the person lacks knowledge about said person's suffering. the ignorant cannot empathize. if you see someone getting beaten, you will just sympathize a little. but if you know that he was subjected to injustice all his life and relate to his suffering, you will have empathy for him and it will be huge.

moreover acceptance and sympathy is not enough to erase our hatred for the privileged. there will always be a sense of inequality that very little in this materialistic world can fix it (surgerymaxx).



this is the first side of me battling the other side, which thinks that even something so pettiful like a little sympathy could be better than incels' current situation of being antagonized in this society. I think that we incels in general, and I am excepting others who did not try at all, are very willing to improve ourselves and have indulged ourself in self improvement, let it be in a way or another, would immediately see this chance at getting out of the neet torture chamber and live a social life, fully executing textbook whitepill and benefitcialism. even although the rest of people would STILL not relate to our experiences, our social acceptance will make it easy for us to develope and stremgthen ourself as a breed mentally. we would be out there in public meeting eachother and indulging in what we know without precautions. now if incels and their suffering as a topic is accepted by the public, what leaves it for one incel forum like .is or another one? unlike feminists, we are different to eachother and think critically, thus the possibility of having or being in an incel forum would decrease a lot.


I will leave you to be a judge to which of these makes more sense. but if you want my personal conclusion then I side with the first case with all the reasoning presented that outmatches the amount and validity of reasoning in the second case.

 

[GloriousFight]

I probably would have had no reason to join this space

I could have found a home elsewhere

 

[govnyaker]

ofc i would to discuss our problems and current situation of foid hypergamy

 

[SlayerSlayer]

Whenever involuntary celibates talk about their problems, people either trivialize their problems by telling them "there's more to life than sex and relationships", "you have to be happy alone all your life", "sex and relationships are overrated", etc. or they laugh at them or ridicule them for being a virgin. They also give advice such as "autism won't deter you", "being short won't deter you", "just be confident even if you're short, ugly and autistic", etc.

If society helped involuntary celibates out with finding partners, understood them, didn't deny the existence of their problems, didn't give bad advice, didn't trivialize their problems, didn't gaslight them, and didn't stigmatize virgins, would you have still joined this forum?

Think about it carefully before answering.

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if SOYciety actuall treated us like a normie, than no, there would be no need to be here. We would be open on other platforms

 

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

Doctors should prevent many people from becoming incels at the first place by administrating T and HGH more freely.its a multi-faceted problem.If everyone was supportive we would be still visiting the forum because you can't force a female to mate with you.She rejects manlet genes and no amount of SJW will change that.

 

[grondilu]

If society helped involuntary celibates out with finding partners, understood them, didn't deny the existence of their problems, didn't give bad advice, didn't trivialize their problems, didn't gaslight them, and didn't stigmatize virgins, would you have still joined this forum?

All these statements are subjective.

Also, soyciety does help incels to find partners. At least they try. They give advices, they set up online dating websites, etc. The intent is there, just not the results.

I don't think they stigmatize virgins either. Nobody knows you are one unless you admit it. They can suspect it from your behavior, but they can never be sure.

 

[Puppeter]

Id still join could care less about their help

 

[Yhwachcel]

I think there would be no incels if everyone got laid and had partners but reality is quite different

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Let’s say in this hypothetical scenario you found someone

If I found someone now (who was also virgin), then I wouldn’t be in this forum for obvious reasons. Honestly, I don’t care about virgin shaming now either tbh, I just want someone.

 

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

so yes i'd have joined this site just as i've joined similar sites in the past. it will never change how society shifts and acts towards us. in 20 years society could do a 180 and i could get free money and a free government issued wife for being an incel but that isn't going to fix my problems. because in 20 years i'll be dead or too old to care. i wanted my shit fixed 10 years ago. 20 years ago. but alas here we are and it's never going to get better. i'll forever be a broken toy that nobody wants to play with.

last i know there are a few like me

Another fellow oldcel?

 

[Nemesis]

out in the adult world, no one gives a shit even about people with serious problems, let alone "perfectly able" incels

what we needed was a school experience that was healthy and orderly, and not a jungle where sociopaths reign and refine their worst habits

I can sign under this. Schoolar system is the worst, I fucking hate monkey-acting normalfags and shity teachers who only care about incuels when they fight back they bullies

 

[depressedblackcel]

This is honestly a wonderful question. I've had to self reflect a bit and its more or less a coin toss with the odds leaning towards "I wouldn't have probably joined". lets put it at a 65:35. The constant feeling of being alone/failing etc made me discover the blackpill. However, if people were more likely to help me instead of ridiculing and gaslighting me I wouldn't have joined. Now the 35 percent comes from the fact that im pretty ugly. Even with the help I'd probably still be incel so I'd still have had a chance of joining this forum. Keep posting threads like this, its really insightful and helpful ngl.

 

[Deleted member 39372]

Normies could have definitley prevented me from joining. I am way less extreme in some things than the average forum member tbh.

 

[Glerforpus]

I guess I would probably still joined as to meet like minded people this place also doesn’t censor you as much as other social platforms

 

[Eschewcel]

Sexual cumminism would create a lot of inequality and there would be a forum in which people would be bitching about how their partner sucks.

 

[Virginscarecrow999]

Dunno to be honest