I think most incels wanna prove that the blackpill is true. But not me.

[FrothySolutions]

Normal society already understands that the blackpill is true. They just don't call it "the blackpill" because that would mean identifying with the "hate group" known as The Incels. That's why my main crusade isn't in the debate over whether the blackpill is real, or if ascension is actually possible for any of us.

My main crusade is proving that we aren't just a bunch of assholes, we're angry for a reason. Angry for the same reasons that people used to understand, but don't anymore. I'm not interested in debating ContraPoints on how hard it actually is to get laid, and I don't need to. I know what my limits are. But what I need to prove is that these traits that people call us a "hate group" over, we didn't choose those traits any more than all the other depressed and suicidal people chose to be depressed and suicidal. I'm not saying they have to agree with me, but I want them to understand that my unhappiness is real, and so is everyone else's here.

 

[truecel65]

I actually fell that society does not understand that "the blackpill" is true. They think we're incels due to lack of actually trying, they say shit like "just be yourself" ,"go out more", "just talk to people" etc. When most of us proablly tried everything in the book and it is just really frustrating to see people getting a girlfriend without actually doing anything. Girls just flock to them so of course they won't understand us.

 

[FrothySolutions]

I actually fell that society does not understand that "the blackpill" is true. They think we're incels due to lack of actually trying, they say shit like "just be yourself" ,"go out more", "just talk to people" etc. When most of us proablly tried everything in the book and it is just really frustrating to see people getting a girlfriend without actually doing anything. Girls just flock to them so of course they won't understand us.

They say that to us, because they see us as a hate group. So anything at all to not validate anything we say or think, because if they do, they're suddenly an extremist.

It's perfectly rational to believe that your average older gentleman isn't landing any college chicks any time soon. But if an incel says that, that same average older gentleman has to be like "Oh, don't deal in absolutes, Incels. I'm sure there's some college kid out there who might be interested in me. Dealing in absolutes, that's what makes you a hate group."

I think the blackpill is an inconvenient truth because it's seen as extremism. Even though if you took the incel stigma away, all these truths would be seen as common sense. The same stand up slingers and New York Timers who make fun of us today? They'd be making punchlines about what we call the blackpill now. When they're the ones suffering from its effects.

 

[truecel65]

I think its then probably just about the "incel" label. They probably would agree with our points if somebody else would make them and articulate it in way which makes It accessible to the general public.

 

[FrothySolutions]

I think its then probably just about the "incel" label. They probably would agree with our points if somebody else would make them and articulate it in way which makes It accessible to the general public.

People are making those points. And people are believing those points. It's just we can't make those points because it sounds like hate group talk coming from us.

If I didn't identify as an incel, I could probably go on, I dunno, /r/relationships and be like "I'm old, and I'm hopelessly attracted to women half my age but I'll never find anyone young who is also attracted to me because old people aren't attractive." And responses would range from "Well yeah, no one's denying that, and only an idiot would deny that" to "Bruh, just hit up the bar, young girls are stupid for money and liquor." And these would be responses from normal Redditors. People who wouldn't DREAM of dignifying an incel. It's the label for sure. The stigma.

 

[truecel65]

People are making those points. And people are believing those points. It's just we can't make those points because it sounds like hate group talk coming from us.

If I didn't identify as an incel, I could probably go on, I dunno, /r/relationships and be like "I'm old, and I'm hopelessly attracted to women half my age but I'll never find anyone young who is also attracted to me because old people aren't attractive." And responses would range from "Well yeah, no one's denying that, and only an idiot would deny that" to "Bruh, just hit up the bar, young girls are stupid for money and liquor." And these would be responses from normal Redditors. People who wouldn't DREAM of dignifying an incel. It's the label for sure. The stigma.

To play devil's advocate, its actually quite understandable that that general public is wary of the incel label since inceldom is unfortantly associated with people like Elliot Rodger and Chris Harper-Mercer. Hell, if I'm being honest before Elliot Rodger I did not knew what a incel was.

 

[FrothySolutions]

To play devil's advocate, its actually quite understandable that that general public is wary of the incel label since inceldom is unfortantly associated with people like Elliot Rodger and Chris Harper-Mercer. Hell, if I'm being honest before Elliot Rodger I did not knew what a incel was.

Rodger, Mercer, Minassian, they didn't do anything that Cho, Aghdam, Stack, the McDonalds Massacre Guy, or the Super Columbine Brothers didn't do/try. And yet, all of these people got understanding. Their actions weren't condoned, and they shouldn't have been. But people didn't go "Haha what a bunch of assholes can't wait for the sex robots so that these entitled toxic people will pipe down." They said "This is the tragic result of someone's mental health being neglected." I want that for us. I want it bad.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Normal society already understands that the blackpill is true. They just don't call it "the blackpill" because that would mean identifying with the "hate group" known as The Incels. That's why my main crusade isn't in the debate over whether the blackpill is real, or if ascension is actually possible for any of us.

My main crusade is proving that we aren't just a bunch of assholes, we're angry for a reason. Angry for the same reasons that people used to understand, but don't anymore. I'm not interested in debating ContraPoints on how hard it actually is to get laid, and I don't need to. I know what my limits are. But what I need to prove is that these traits that people call us a "hate group" over, we didn't choose those traits any more than all the other depressed and suicidal people chose to be depressed and suicidal. I'm not saying they have to agree with me, but I want them to understand that my unhappiness is real, and so is everyone else's here.

Preach.

 

[truecel65]

I'm not really sure what we could do at this point to change our public perception.

 

[Deleted member 12256]

I'm not really sure what we could do at this point to change our public perception.

Ugliness was always seen as something bad..We can't really change something that is writen in peoples DNA. People are repulse by ugliness so they will always hate us.

 

[FrothySolutions]

I'm not really sure what we could do at this point to change our public perception.

What I hope to do someday is raise this double standard to the people who demonize us. That's where I think the key is. I wanna point out the Chos and Aghdams and Stacks and so on, and be like "You hated what they did, but you still saw the pain they were going through. All ask is that you do the same for us."

Edit: Oh! Ricardo "The Björk Stalker" López. Another excellent example. All he wanted was to be with Björk. But he was mentally unsound, and this manifested in him conspiring to mutilate Björk for being not only with someone else, but with a black guy. Then he shot himself.

And what happened? Björk fucking mourned the guy.

It's terrible, very terrible. It's a very sad thing that someone would shoot his face off.

So says Björk. Terrible indeed. I remember watching the documentary way back when. And the issue was treated with concern for the man's sanity. He wasn't demonized. He was certainly presented as very troubled, dangerous, and unwell, but not an asshole.

 

[_incelinside]

high IQ, deep down normies know the blackpill is true but they dont like the souce its coming from

 

[FrothySolutions]

What it all comes down to is disproving the keystone Norman maxim: You're unfuckable because you're an asshole and if you were nicer you'd be fuckable.

If I come off as an asshole NOW? Fair enough. But what I wanna counterpoint the Norman maxim with is this:

1. My assholishness comes from a place of terrible anguish. I seem like an asshole because I'm broken on the inside.

2. Before I was an asshole, I was still unfuckable. I tried it your way, and the spell didn't work. And years of failed magic broke me.

 

[NeiboltStreet]

I actually fell that society does not understand that "the blackpill" is true. They think we're incels due to lack of actually trying, they say shit like "just be yourself" ,"go out more", "just talk to people" etc. When most of us proablly tried everything in the book and it is just really frustrating to see people getting a girlfriend without actually doing anything. Girls just flock to them so of course they won't understand us.

We need to get some normies or even Chads to do the following experiment:

Let a professional make up artist (like from movies and stuff) give him a truecel face and maybe minor deformity and THEN let him do his thing in a club where nobody knows him. Let's see how he likes that...

 

[FrothySolutions]

We need to get some normies or even Chads to do the following experiment:

Let a professional make up artist (like from movies and stuff) give him a truecel face and maybe minor deformity and THEN let him do his thing in a club where nobody knows him. Let's see how he likes that...

Your Datelines and 20/20s have done things like this in the past, and it worked out the way you think.

 

[NeiboltStreet]

Your Datelines and 20/20s have done things like this in the past, and it worked out the way you think.

Then we need to do it to every single normie male. I bet they won't be white knighting after that

 

[FrothySolutions]

9 Users and 22 Guests at present. I dunno how this site tracks this sort of thing, maybe those guests were here but aren't anymore, maybe those guests aren't actually human, I don't know.

But if you're out there, understand that I don't care what your theories are about why I'm unfuckable. What I wanna discuss more than that is how I and so many of us are unhappy and mentally ill from misery. And that we didn't choose to be bitter and hateful and depressed. We didn't choose to be celibate either, but more important to me than that is proving that we didn't choose to be these "misogynists" you pigeonhole us as. I'm not just involuntarily celibate, I'm involuntarily miserable. And that's more important to me.

 

[Deleted member 1060]

Kek, I want all blackpills to be false, specially racepill and heightpill.

 

[Asianmanletcel]

high IQ, deep down normies know the blackpill is true but they dont like the souce its coming from

That's what normies or society is they judge the sender instead of the message

I think this is one of the reasons why some incel copes/hobbies from the past are now becoming normie cope, the normies were so biased that they see this *insert* cope as not to touch it because an incel is coping to this but overtime they see that this *insert* cope is a really good cope, therefore it also becomes a normie cope

 

[psilocybincel]

The difference between science and a religion/cult is that while both seek to understand, in science, you are congratulated for proving your own ideas or others to be false, in religion, you are ostracized, persecuted, and sometimes killed.

 

[UltraFayJr.]

The difference between science and a religion/cult is that while both seek to understand, in science, you are congratulated for proving your own ideas or others to be false, in religion, you are ostracized, persecuted, and sometimes killed.

Sometimes, science is a religion to some people.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Sometimes, science is a religion to some people.

In that some scientists are ostracized, persecuted, and sometimes killed for proving things to be true/false?

 

[UltraFayJr.]

In that some scientists are ostracized, persecuted, and sometimes killed for proving things to be true/false?

No, no, no. I meant there are some beliefs that can't be proven, like Big Bang, Evolution, Globe Earth.

 

[lastchancel]

i was apart of reg society like a year ago before the blackpill, i can assure you i had no concept of it. I just assumed personality meant much more than looks. jfl @ that idea now

 

[FrothySolutions]

(Users: 23, Guests: 36)


There's a guy here, a Chilean incel by the name of @IHateMySelf. And he made this thread here about how bad he feels about his life in general. And reading that, I felt a very real and palpable misery that's probably gonna keep me up at night. Because there are people out there who'll say "Nah, fuck that guy, he's faking it." Did he choose to be miserable?

 

[PersonalityHaircut]

I actually fell that society does not understand that "the blackpill" is true. They think we're incels due to lack of actually trying, they say shit like "just be yourself" ,"go out more", "just talk to people" etc. When most of us proablly tried everything in the book and it is just really frustrating to see people getting a girlfriend without actually doing anything. Girls just flock to them so of course they won't understand us.

You just need a haircut bro.

 

[IHateMySelf]

Did he choose to be miserable?

People think that I did. People think that i'm an outcast because I want to.

 

[FrothySolutions]

People think that I did. People think that i'm an outcast because I want to.

Most people I see around here are aggrieved by fanciful bluepilled ideology. They don't like pies in the sky. But what I hate personally is seeing people like @IHateMySelf written off.

Frankly I can sit and listen to normie platitudes all day. I don't believe in them, but they don't hurt me. But when people who hate themselves are brushed off by people who allege to be the good guys, that hurts me. And the people who hate themselves. This is what births the misogynist, misanthropic, self-and-others-destructive "incel" archetype people are afraid of nowadays.

 

[Deleted member 4760]

Normal society already understands that the blackpill is true. They just don't call it "the blackpill" because that would mean identifying with the "hate group" known as The Incels. That's why my main crusade isn't in the debate over whether the blackpill is real, or if ascension is actually possible for any of us.

My main crusade is proving that we aren't just a bunch of assholes, we're angry for a reason. Angry for the same reasons that people used to understand, but don't anymore. I'm not interested in debating ContraPoints on how hard it actually is to get laid, and I don't need to. I know what my limits are. But what I need to prove is that these traits that people call us a "hate group" over, we didn't choose those traits any more than all the other depressed and suicidal people chose to be depressed and suicidal. I'm not saying they have to agree with me, but I want them to understand that my unhappiness is real, and so is everyone else's here.

High IQ to be honest.

 

[MaxZM98]

society knows the blackpill is true? lmao no. everyone is bluepilled and ignorant.

 

[_wifebeater_]

society knows the blackpill is true? lmao no. everyone is bluepilled and ignorant.

 

[FrothySolutions]

society knows the blackpill is true? lmao no. everyone is bluepilled and ignorant.

Here's what I think. If I, as an incel, was to storm the IncelTears gates and be like "I'm 45 years old, it's pretty much a matter of fact rule of society that no woman between the ages of 18-25 will let me hit it like Justice Young," they would probably respond "Don't deal in absolutes, it might take a while but there's all types out there." But they'll only say that to me/us because we're incels.

But if they were met with, I dunno, an Imgur comments section where a guy is all like "Ugh, I'm just so out of place at these college parties, no one wants me there" and the comments section is like "Yeah? You're 30-something/40-something, of course you're not gonna fit in, why would you even want to" they wouldn't protest that. They wouldn't look at those guys like "You're dealing in absolutes! Just take a shower!" For these normies on Imgur, they would accept this truth that old folks don't belong at college parties as a general rule.

But it's "the blackpill" when we say "Oldcels can't get with sexy young ladies at their sexy young college parties." When the Imgur comments section says it, it's a bunch of normal people stating the obvious.

Edit: An IncelTearser, I mean. An IncelTearser won't listen to "the blackpill" when it comes from us, but if an IncelTearser was to go on Imgur and read the exploits of an old guy who wasn't down with the young people and their yabba-dabba-doo, they would be like "Yes, that is correct, it is true that old people can't really hang with young people, at best it's exceedingly rare for only a certain kind of very hip old person."

 

[FrothySolutions]

I didn't originally join incels for the lookism shit. I mostly identified with the sadness and justified anger the community felt over being deprived of sex/relationships and being treated like garbage by society.

Most people on the way to @fukmylyf's post count get banned before they make it. So if he's still here, he must be legit. And if he's saying that a self-loathing we all wish we didn't have is at the core of the incel identity and struggle, you can probably take his word for it.

 

[Deleted member 60]

fuckk I meant to edit my post, but deleted it like a retard.

 

[hopelesslife]

I'm not going to read a fucking essay moron

 

[FrothySolutions]

I'm not going to read a fucking essay moron

But maybe the Normans will?

 

[WarriorSkull]

Trying to prove your aren't "hateful" is how people cuck themselves.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Trying to prove your aren't "hateful" is how people cuck themselves.

I have no use for my dignity if it can be laid down in service of people in need. Being a cuck only hurts me.

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

Jfl they want ugly men to shut the fuck up and wagecuck and crawl into their graves

 

[FrothySolutions]

Jfl they want ugly men to shut the fuck up and wagecuck and crawl into their graves

These are genuine feelings. @GeneticDysfunction isn't "faking it" when he says this.

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

These are genuine feelings. @GeneticDysfunction isn't "faking it" when he says this.

Im living it baby

 

[MaxZM98]

Here's what I think. If I, as an incel, was to storm the IncelTears gates and be like "I'm 45 years old, it's pretty much a matter of fact rule of society that no woman between the ages of 18-25 will let me hit it like Justice Young," they would probably respond "Don't deal in absolutes, it might take a while but there's all types out there." But they'll only say that to me/us because we're incels.

But if they were met with, I dunno, an Imgur comments section where a guy is all like "Ugh, I'm just so out of place at these college parties, no one wants me there" and the comments section is like "Yeah? You're 30-something/40-something, of course you're not gonna fit in, why would you even want to" they wouldn't protest that. They wouldn't look at those guys like "You're dealing in absolutes! Just take a shower!" For these normies on Imgur, they would accept this truth that old folks don't belong at college parties as a general rule.

But it's "the blackpill" when we say "Oldcels can't get with sexy young ladies at their sexy young college parties." When the Imgur comments section says it, it's a bunch of normal people stating the obvious.

Edit: An IncelTearser, I mean. An IncelTearser won't listen to "the blackpill" when it comes from us, but if an IncelTearser was to go on Imgur and read the exploits of an old guy who wasn't down with the young people and their yabba-dabba-doo, they would be like "Yes, that is correct, it is true that old people can't really hang with young people, at best it's exceedingly rare for only a certain kind of very hip old person."

why would a 40 yr old be at a college party in the first place? that's weird. im sure if it were me (20 yr old) they would say bluepilled stuff like 'be confident'

 

[FrothySolutions]

why would a 40 yr old be at a college party in the first place? that's weird. im sure if it were me (20 yr old) they would say bluepilled stuff like 'be confident'

Because its a life experience I'm missing, and is crucial to my happiness.

 

[MaxZM98]

Because its a life experience I'm missing, and is crucial to my happiness.

it's too late lol. that's what happens when you let your prime years go to waste. prob gonna happen to me tbh.

 

[FrothySolutions]

it's too late lol. that's what happens when you let your prime years go to waste. prob gonna happen to me tbh.

I know. And its eating me up inside. But the fact that if you're 40+ and haven't had the experiences of a 20+ kid? I think that's an aspect of "the blackpill." Normie to normie, it's common sense. But if I was to go to IncelTears and be like "I'm just so full of rage and depression at what I've missed out on" they'd be like "It's not too late, 40+ isn't too late, but you need to not be so angry."

 

[MaxZM98]

I know. And its eating me up inside. But the fact that if you're 40+ and haven't had the experiences of a 20+ kid? I think that's an aspect of "the blackpill." Normie to normie, it's common sense. But if I was to go to IncelTears and be like "I'm just so full of rage and depression at what I've missed out on" they'd be like "It's not too late, 40+ isn't too late, but you need to not be so angry."

i think even cucktears would agree it's too late. the agepill sounds pretty brutal

I know. And its eating me up inside. But the fact that if you're 40+ and haven't had the experiences of a 20+ kid? I think that's an aspect of "the blackpill." Normie to normie, it's common sense. But if I was to go to IncelTears and be like "I'm just so full of rage and depression at what I've missed out on" they'd be like "It's not too late, 40+ isn't too late, but you need to not be so angry."

why do you want to go to a college party anyways? i tried it and i just didnt fit in. it felt awkward for me even though im 20. incels do not belong.

 

[FrothySolutions]

i think even cucktears would agree it's too late. the agepill sounds pretty brutal

why do you want to go to a college party anyways? i tried it and i just didnt fit in. it felt awkward for me even though im 20. incels do not belong.

Would IncelTears admit to the agepill? It would be a small victory, but it's more than I really ever hear from them.

And I wanna go to a college party because I wanna have sex at one. It was my heart's purest endeavor since about the tail end of high school. Sex in college. Making out at a party, or fostering sexual tension with my female roommate, or becoming fuck buddies with the two girls in the room down the hall at the dorm, getting invited to a Halloween party of a St. Patrick's Day party or a Christms party or something that turns into sex, experiences like that.

If they exist anywhere, they only exist in college. Basic friendship barely exists out of college, that's why there's a cottage industry of self-help on how to make friends after college. Because you're supposed to do all your fucking and friendmaking when you're in college, and then stay friends after college and parlay those relationships into more friendships. You can make friends out of college, but you need to build a base while you're in college first.

The only way anyone, normie or not, is gonna have the kind of sex out of college that you could have IN college, is to join some kind of sex club. And it's not the same thing when you engineer it. It has to be natural. The product of horny young people shacked up together. Not the product of old people trying to recreate something.

 

[Dude420]

The blue pill society thinks personality matter more than looks for men, we have a long way to go to be understood.