I think females are full of shit when they say muscles dont matter

[ovrload]

Muscles only matter if you have prerequisites of Face, height and frame. If you don’t muscles mean jack shit

 

[Eternal Observer]

Willing to say muscles dont matter, IF you have status to compensate. There were 20 something year old females drooling over 15 year old Justin Bieber back in the day, and he looked and sounded like a bitch. If you're just some rando guy you'll need at least a fit body, not necessarily a bodybuilder DBZ body but fit.

 

[Pinpoint]

Yes, as we all know, face is the most important part. Having a good jaw and eyes most important.

But at the same time, women talk alot of fucking bullshit when they say muscles dont matter. Almost all Chads Ive ever known of, in high-school, elementary school and now college, have big muscles and especially big arms. I think its something primitive going on here, its like big muscles make women turn on instincitvely on a very primal level, this is very apparent when alcohol is in the mix.

It only makes sense too, men like big fucking tits and nice asses, why wouldnt women like a great body with abs, large shoulders and big arms?

There is definitely something going on with muscles, a man who is big and strong commands presence in a room and females notice it immidately.

Too bad Im a low T framecel.

Primality.

 

[SchrodingersDick]

Muscles made in the gym* don’t matter
“I’m not high test/high fighting success/dimorphic enough and I’m not getting pussy so I lift heavy objects to trick girls into thinking I’m high test/high fighting success/dimorphic”

Muscles as a result of naturally high serum testosterone is imperative tho

When gymcelling, the goal should be to get as big as possible while still looking like your muscle mass could reasonably be the result of high serum test. U want to lift but look like you don’t lift.

Effortless >>>>>>>>>>> effort

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Muscles matter alot, anyone whove seen a guy with six pack abs and a big physique on a club knows that, the attention is insane.

And OP is right that foids lie about not caring about muscles; they care a lot.

Everything about your physical form contributes to your level of physical attractiveness. Don't believe anyone who says otherwise.
Size matters a lot.

It´s fucked up how many actually don´t believe muscles matter the site has brainwashed people to believe face is ALL that matters it is the most important part but as @WithoutMe said it all add to attractiveness like if you are 6´3" it will add a couple points just for being tall and if you have muscles and are lean on top of that it will add even more points.

The problem on this site is when people talk about face they put everyone in the same category so yeah I agree if you look like a 3/10 and get a big ripped body it might not work because the face destroys it all but if you have an average looking face 5-6/10 and you get a big ripped body you can slay.

 

[TheGambler2]

All this frame nonsense is such cope by lazy losers really, Im a lazy loser too, but atleast I dont cope about it.

I gymcel and have a decent physique for a natural,so don't know what kind of coping you are talking about

 

[Inceljoe]

Muscles only matter if you have prerequisites of Face, height and frame. If you don’t muscles mean jack shit

So how come this guy gets so much fucking pussy then? He is a friend of the Chad guy I live with, he is doing steroids and he gets so much fucking young pussy its utter insanity. On tinder too he slays. Every time he comes over here to this house where the Chad dude lives, he has new young hot girls with him.

This is how he looks:

I talked with him one night here in the kitchen, I asked if he think muscles help him. He then told me like: "Let me tell you a secret, girls .. when sober, they dont tell the truth. You have to watch how they behave, and trust me, when they are drunk and looking for good sex, they will seek you out if you are muscular, its almost all they want".

And this dude is fucking legit, his face is not good looking, but he is strong and broad.

 

[Hate_my_life]

I think they're full of shit anyway.

 

[Inceljoe]

I think they're full of shit anyway.

Yes all they say

 

[happiless]

Frame matters.

Muscles don't matter.

 

[x86_64]

the only time she is not talking bullshit is when she's bragging about her new chads bf to you. otherwise just let her bullshit fly through your head, ear in -> ear out

 

[MarriedAndLookin4Fun]

over for senatorarmstrongcels

 

[Inceljoe]

Frame matters.

Muscles don't matter.

Frqme is so much cope lol

 

[happiless]

Frqme is so much cope lol

Unless you have the ribcage size of a little boy, tiny shoulders and tiny wrists. Frame is less important than face and height, but if your frame is terrible you're pretty much fucked.

 

[GetFucked]

Never take advice from a foid. They don't want you increasing your smv because it hurts their power. Almost every normie and foid was telling me I was going to hurt myself when I started lifting. If every dude gets ripped, they'll end up looking like fat sacks of shit

 

[Inceljoe]

Unless you have the ribcage size of a little boy, tiny shoulders and tiny wrists. Frame is less important than face and height, but if your frame is terrible you're pretty much fucked.

Yeah but very few men have TERRIBLE frames, probably less men than who have actual facial deformities like recessed chin and shit.

 

[Angry_runt]

It´s fucked up how many actually don´t believe muscles matter the site has brainwashed people to believe face is ALL that matters it is the most important part but as @WithoutMe said it all add to attractiveness like if you are 6´3" it will add a couple points just for being tall and if you have muscles and are lean on top of that it will add even more points.

The problem is that physical attraction is not a point system, at least not for the likes of us. If you your face is a deal breaker, you don't get to make up for it with your body. Holy shit have I tried.
As you said maybe it works if you're average in other areas so you get a body halo, but here's something you can take as gospel: no one is an incel because they don't have enough muscles. Putting muscle on top of whatever is wrong with you will not help you much if at all, and you'll have to put in as much effort as chad just to find out for yourself. Muscles will impress guys because guys get intimidated by them, and maybe some of that respect you get will elevate your status with nearby foids but again - it won't make up for glaring flaws which incels tend to have.

 

[FlamingCel]

We must enhance our kinniku !

 

[Deleted member 18193]

I've said this numerous times before and I'll continue to say it until I die: Don't trust what a foid says ever. Look at how they act.

 

[Wombcel98]

Yes, as we all know, face is the most important part. Having a good jaw and eyes most important.

But at the same time, women talk alot of fucking bullshit when they say muscles dont matter. Almost all Chads Ive ever known of, in high-school, elementary school and now college, have big muscles and especially big arms. I think its something primitive going on here, its like big muscles make women turn on instincitvely on a very primal level, this is very apparent when alcohol is in the mix.

It only makes sense too, men like big fucking tits and nice asses, why wouldnt women like a great body with abs, large shoulders and big arms?

There is definitely something going on with muscles, a man who is big and strong commands presence in a room and females notice it immidately.

Too bad Im a low T framecel.

I'm a low T framecel too and I still gymcel because coping is my job. I know that it won't change my face or frame, but muscle, even if it's a little bit, makes every man more attractive. It will make me a 2.2 instead of a 2.1, but the way I feel also improves. I need workouts to not rope / go ER.

 

[Over4Mexicels]

too much effort for a lanwhale with 2 children from tyrone

Getting this amount of muscle needs a strict regime that feels like a second job

Getting pussy should come natural, without effort. If you're putting any effort, then it's over

 

[randomguy1235]

Lol, the tiny percentage of men who have SUCH TINY CLAVICLES doesnt almost even exist, its such a small percentage, its almost deformed. The VASTE MAJORITY of males have completely average/fine clavicle lenght and it can become VERY MUCH BIGGER with gym, especially if you use steroids.

Look at all the damn bodybuilders who stop training and working out, within a couple of years their "frame" shrinks like 50%, they look like regular dudes. But while on hormones and training, they are WIDE AS FUCK.

All this frame nonsense is such cope by lazy losers really, Im a lazy loser too, but atleast I dont cope about it.

Holy fuck you are legit retarded. Look up "bideltoid width" and compare the differences.

Just look at this for example:

You're gonna sit here and claim that Frame isn't genetic and has nothing to do with bones? The guy on the left could take all the roids/supplements in the world and train for lifetimes and he won't even come CLOSE to the right dude's frame. That would be like if I said "the difference in height between human males doesn't exist." You sound insane

 

[Lux]

Muscles don't matter

 

[Deleted member 1060]

Only this case, holes are saying the truth.

Muscles don't matter. Just a 6'2" tall, lean body with 8/10 face is all what they want.

So how come this guy gets so much fucking pussy then? He is a friend of the Chad guy I live with, he is doing steroids and he gets so much fucking young pussy its utter insanity. On tinder too he slays. Every time he comes over here to this house where the Chad dude lives, he has new young hot girls with him.

This is how he looks:

I talked with him one night here in the kitchen, I asked if he think muscles help him. He then told me like: "Let me tell you a secret, girls .. when sober, they dont tell the truth. You have to watch how they behave, and trust me, when they are drunk and looking for good sex, they will seek you out if you are muscular, its almost all they want".

And this dude is fucking legit, his face is not good looking, but he is strong and broad.

Okay fair enough. Then do gymceling for couple of years, if you get anything, come here and post again.

Btw, I don't fucking believe this balding ugly gymcel can get anything. Most gymcels I know like him are freaking incels. Whenever I see them on the streets, they are always alone, all the fucking time.

Who is the foid going to choose in this case though?

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Frame still matters. Not nearly as much as face, but it matters.

And OP is right that foids lie about not caring about muscles; they care a lot.

Both are chads, one is lanky chad another is a jacked chad.

When women say they like all kinds of men, they mean they like all kind of chads. Don't get fooled.

The left one will get women who are into lanky chads, the right one will get women who are into jacked chads.

 

[Inceljoe]

Holy fuck you are legit retarded. Look up "bideltoid width" and compare the differences.

Just look at this for example:

You're gonna sit here and claim that Frame isn't genetic and has nothing to do with bones? The guy on the left could take all the roids/supplements in the world and train for lifetimes and he won't even come CLOSE to the right dude's frame. That would be like if I said "the difference in height between human males doesn't exist." You sound insane

You gotta be a legit low IQ retard. You take the most extreme of the extreme, do u understand how the bell curve works? THE VASTE MAJORITY OF MEN have completely fine/average bideltoid with. And yes, if the guy to the left puts on 100lbs of muscle mass, he will be wider and thicker than the guy on the right, we have millions of examples on this when it comes to steroids in bodybuilding.

man, this place is filled with blue pillers with zero knowledge of real life.

Only this case, holes are saying the truth.

Muscles don't matter. Just a 6'2" tall, lean body with 8/10 face is all what they want.


Okay fair enough. Then do gymceling for couple of years, if you get anything, come here and post again.

Btw, I don't fucking believe this balding ugly gymcel can get anything. Most gymcels I know like him are freaking incels. Whenever I see them on the streets, they are always alone, all the fucking time.

That guy is right now in the living room here with two 19 year old hot girls and my Chad landlord. You guys seem to be immune to real life, youre like feminists but on the other spectrum, you completely ignore everything which goes agains your little ideology, extremely blue pilled.

 

[GeneticFilth]

You gotta be a legit low IQ retard. You take the most extreme of the extreme, do u understand how the bell curve works? THE VASTE MAJORITY OF MEN have completely fine/average bideltoid with. And yes, if the guy to the left puts on 100lbs of muscle mass, he will be wider and thicker than the guy on the right, we have millions of examples on this when it comes to steroids in bodybuilding.

man, this place is filled with blue pillers with zero knowledge of real life.


That guy is right now in the living room here with two 19 year old hot girls and my Chad landlord. You guys seem to be immune to real life, youre like feminists but on the other spectrum, you completely ignore everything which goes agains your little ideology, extremely blue pilled.

How tall is he?

 

[Inceljoe]

5´10 i would estimate his height. I asked the chad landlord btw, the buff dude fucked one of the 19 year olds last night. Surprise surprise, as usual.

But I guess muscles dont matter eh? Its 100% about "face" ?? So how the fuck do he fuck all these women then when his face looks like a fucking potato but he is big and wide as fuck