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I never understood Shinji

Pikacel

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I watched NGE expecting Shinji to be a pussy but he’s unrealistically brave and confrontational. Meanwhile else in the series is insufferable, emotional, unprofessional etc.

I think the only reason people hate Shinji is because of halo effect. He has that cucked Sadamato design with recessed chin and twink features. If he had a typical mecha protag design and acted superficially cool he’d give off a different impression.

This seems like poor writing considering Shinji is intended to be a weak otaku self insert. He should’ve spent the whole series hiding in the toilet like I would’ve.
 
They make fun of him for "being a pussy" but he ultimately still fights and puts his life on the line (albeit with a lack of composure)

Still braver than any of us would be in his shoes.
 
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Idk man, if I was Shinji I would have turn into Gendo by next month in the series.
 
Shinji is such a pussy, I would have beat Asuka allot… what an annoying little whore, Misato too. Fuck no I would be doing housework and go to fucking school, while saving humanity.
 
Uncle Death said:
Shinji is such a pussy, I would have beat Asuka allot… what an annoying little whore, Misato too. Fuck no I would be doing housework and go to fucking school, while saving humanity.
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Doesn’t Shinji choke Asuka though? Giga based
 
Pikacel said:
This seems like poor writing considering Shinji is intended to be a weak otaku self insert. He should’ve spent the whole series hiding in the toilet like I would’ve.
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Simon mogs
 
Because normies like unrealistically heroic protagonists because nornies see themselves as perfect and want someone perfect to project onto, they think any character that ever shows weakness is a bad character and a pussy even though if they were in that situation almost all of them would be even worse.
 
Pikacel said:
I watched NGE expecting Shinji to be a pussy but he’s unrealistically brave and confrontational. Meanwhile else in the series is insufferable, emotional, unprofessional etc.

I think the only reason people hate Shinji is because of halo effect. He has that cucked Sadamato design with recessed chin and twink features. If he had a typical mecha protag design and acted superficially cool he’d give off a different impression.

This seems like poor writing considering Shinji is intended to be a weak otaku self insert. He should’ve spent the whole series hiding in the toilet like I would’ve.
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That's the point. Shinji is more capable than anyone gave him credit for. The only one who recognizes this is his father, who is just doing what is necessary, and Asuka, who dies like a dog for trying to emulate him.
 
People want a protagonist like Sung Jinwoo (Solo leveling), that aura farms always wins and is badass but at the end of the day is not a clear representation of a human. Meanwhile if you give a character that has good writing like shinji, they treat him like a pussy lol.

At the end of the day he got up in the EVA, without 0 training and performed quite well. So i also quite liked shinji after rewatching the series. There are pathethic protagonists but shinji is not one of them, he's just a teenager who grew up without love nor attention
 
Verxis said:
That's the point. Shinji is more capable than anyone gave him credit for. The only one who recognizes this is his father, who is just doing what is necessary, and Asuka, who dies like a dog for trying to emulate him.
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Doesn’t Anno keep saying the story is about growing up and escaping the otaku mindset or whatever?
 
Pikacel said:
Doesn’t Anno keep saying the story is about growing up and escaping the otaku mindset or whatever?
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yes but ldar is law for us incels. This is why classic eva endings are better than rebuild.
 
Pikacel said:
Simon is not a self insert. He actually grows balls and becomes chad. Self inserts are like deku or the nerd from dandandan
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who said self inserts can't develop. still hate them.
 
SmhChan said:
Character development is one of the most overrated phrases.
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idk what u mean but I think static characters like Kiyoshi (Prison School) can be good too.
 
BurntIvoryKingcel said:
idk what u mean but I think static characters like Kiyoshi (Prison School) can be good too.
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I hate normiefags' too much insistence on character development to judge the quality of a character. And for them "character development" is going through "hardship", traumatic events, and personal losses. I guess this is more of a personal gripe becuz that's exactly how normiefags also like to define masculinity.
 
SmhChan said:
I hate normiefags' too much insistence on character development to judge the quality of a character. And for them "character development" is going through "hardship", traumatic events, and personal losses. I guess this is more of a personal gripe becuz that's exactly how normiefags also like to define masculinity.
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I hate "coming of age" stories anyway.
 
SmhChan said:
I hate normiefags' too much insistence on character development to judge the quality of a character. And for them "character development" is going through "hardship", traumatic events, and personal losses. I guess this is more of a personal gripe becuz that's exactly how normiefags also like to define masculinity.
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Static characters are fine I agree, HxH is mostly static characters who just do stuff and it’s one of the goats IMO.

Arcane is a recent series with a lot of forced character development, characters go back and forth so much it’s almost bipolar
 
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he isn't weak because he's an otaku self-insert, he's weak because he hasn't had a nurturing/parental figure in his life since his mom died. his emotional development is stifled yet he's still expected to "grow up" and endure the stress of saving tokyo from supernatural monsters. shinji is actually a good depiction of someone overburdened with responsibilities who never received the support from other people necessary to become a strong person, you'd think that people who agonize over missed developmental milestones like incels would relate to that
 
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Pikacel said:
Static characters are fine I agree, HxH is mostly static characters who just do stuff and it’s one of the goats IMO.

Arcane is a recent series with a lot of forced character development, characters go back and forth so much it’s almost bipolar
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My theory has always been the effect of Breaking Bad. The phrase really blew up after the show ended. Since that show has multiple characters go through character transformations over the course of the show and since it's universally lauded normies think it's the holy grail formula for writing a good character.

As a result, for male characters, what you get is a guy who is always PTSD-ridden, cucked, and 'flawed'. It also serves as a perfect excuse to turn foid characters into Mary Sues. No matter how inconsistent the character is, they can always point in the direction of muh 'character development' to justify it.
 
SmhChan said:
Character development is one of the most overrated phrases.
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Very true. Most people realistically dont change their personality, so i dont know why soys are so obsesses with muh character development
 
loopcel said:
he isn't weak because he's an otaku self-insert, he's weak because he hasn't had a nurturing/parental figure in his life since his mom died. his emotional development is stifled yet he's still expected to "grow up" and endure the stress of saving tokyo from supernatural monsters. shinji is actually a good depiction of someone overburdened with responsibilities who never received the support from other people necessary to become a strong person, you'd think that people who agonize over missed developmental milestones like incels would relate to that
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You forgot to mention he is manlet and framelet
 
loopcel said:
he isn't weak because he's an otaku self-insert, he's weak because he hasn't had a nurturing/parental figure in his life since his mom died. his emotional development is stifled yet he's still expected to "grow up" and endure the stress of saving tokyo from supernatural monsters. shinji is actually a good depiction of someone overburdened with responsibilities who never received the support from other people necessary to become a strong person, you'd think that people who agonize over missed developmental milestones like incels would relate to that
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loopcel said:
he isn't weak because he's an otaku self-insert, he's weak because he hasn't had a nurturing/parental figure in his life since his mom died. his emotional development is stifled yet he's still expected to "grow up" and endure the stress of saving tokyo from supernatural monsters. shinji is actually a good depiction of someone overburdened with responsibilities who never received the support from other people necessary to become a strong person, you'd think that people who agonize over missed developmental milestones like incels would relate to that
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That’s what I am saying though. He lacks any real emotional bonds yet still does the best he can until it’s too much for him and he shuts down. He comes off as strong but with human limits rather than an infallible gary stu or an epic larger than life struggler like Guts.

The thing is though, THIS IS COMPLETELY UNRELATABLE TO OTAKU LOSERS. Anno treats Shinji like he’s weak when he really isn’t he just looks weak. The characters in NGE just come off as unrelatable normies which is why the message fails IMO.

Depressed loser NEETs need a hero’s journey like Gurren Lagann or something to give them energy or a realistic depression porn like NHK. NGE does nothing for us whatsoever, how are we supposed to understand these talented competent people with social circles and relationship problems. An otaku will just watch NGE, get confused then jerk off to oppai rei porn.

I’d understand NGE if it was aimed at normies, but Anno claims it’s about criticising/challenging otakus when it does nothing of the sort. Hence why NGE is dominated by waifu faggotry to Anno’s chagrin. All otaku can do when watching NGE is impose their fantasies on the girls, their personalities and conflicts are just so alien that they come off as bizarre constructs in JB looking vessels.
SmhChan said:
My theory has always been the effect of Breaking Bad. The phrase really blew up after the show ended. Since that show has multiple characters go through character transformations over the course of the show and since it's universally lauded normies think it's the holy grail formula for writing a good character.

As a result, for male characters, what you get is a guy who is always PTSD-ridden, cucked, and 'flawed'. It also serves as a perfect excuse to turn foid characters into Mary Sues. No matter how inconsistent the character is, they can always point in the direction of muh 'character development' to justify it.
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Also the thing is, the change in Breaking Bad is natural and expected. Walt from the first episode very blatantly hates his mediocre shit life and wants to be the guy it’s not some arbitrary arc. Meanwhile Jesse is clearly wannabe gangster who’s not about that. It’s just a realisation of traits that already exist.

Hack writers think character development means turning good guy into bad guy and bad guy into good guy. Or turning a jerk with heart of gold into just a heart of gold (removing character flaws gary stu style). It’s a cathartic payoff that’s offset by the removal of traits that can influence the plot (jerks tend to shake things up with their attitude now he’s just a passive cuck)
 
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Pikacel said:
Doesn’t Anno keep saying the story is about growing up and escaping the otaku mindset or whatever?
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He didn't do a very good job of portraying that then. Naruto is a better example of that concept.
 
Verxis said:
He didn't do a very good job of portraying that then. Naruto is a better example of that concept.
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Tbh he was a depressed normie when he worked on NGE. Whereas say NHK was written by an actual loser and is way more relatable
 
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