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Blackpill How physical beauty was venerated in Ancient Greece

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Being an avid enjoyer of history, I have recently begun studying all the ways in which physical beauty was perceived in Ancient Greece and how this correlates with what we know about the blackpill today.

The Ancient Greeks believed outer beauty (Physical attractiveness) to be synonymous with inner beauty. (Moral virtue) So much so that καλός, (Anglicized as Kallos) their word for "beautiful" ALSO means "good" or "noble".

καλός was more than just a word, however. It was an ideal; viewed by the Greeks to be a manifestation of the divine order. Not only did they imagine the gods themselves to be the epitome of physical perfection, (Save for Haphaestus, the God of Artisans and Blacksmiths, who was a cripple and thus depicted as an unwilling cuckhold) but they considered those who are born beautiful to have a strong connection to them.

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Plato, one of the most prominent philosophers from that era, actually believed in a concept called the "Theory of Forms." In essence, Plato argued that there exist objective realities—or in this case, Forms, that are completely independent of our own perception. The highest of these Forms was thought to be The Good, which Plato described as "To the intelligible world as the sun is to the material world." Directly beneath it are Truth, Justice, and, of course, beauty. (The only visible Form)

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"he who would proceed in due course should love first one fair form, and then many, and learn the connexion of them; and from beautiful bodies he should proceed to beautiful minds, and the beauty of laws and institutions, until he perceives that all beauty is of one kindred; and from institutions he should go on to the sciences, until at last the vision is revealed to him of a single science of universal beauty, and then he will behold the everlasting nature which is the cause of all, and will be near the end. In the contemplation of that supreme being of love he will be purified of earthly leaven, and will behold beauty, not with the bodily eye, but with the eye of the mind, and will bring forth true creations of virtue and wisdom,"

- Plato

In simple terms, Plato believed beauty and justice to be part of one perfect, empirical whole. Whether this is actually true or not remains to be seen, but what does matter here is just how much emphasis humanity has placed on looks since the very beginning.

A similar sentiment was expressed by a different philospher, Aristotle, who had more mathematical approach to the matter in contrast to Plato's metaphysical one. He conflated physical beauty with order and symmetry, (The modern term "cosmetics" actually stems from the Ancient Greek word "kosmos" meaning "an orderly arrangement") something that can be measured and analyze. In fact, I would say that his observations live on in the form of these kinds of "face ratio" charts:

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"The chief forms of beauty are order and symmetry and definiteness, which the mathematical sciences demonstrate in a special degree" is a quote commonly attributed to Aristotle, along with this one:

"Personal beauty requires that one should be tall; little people may have charm and elegance, but beauty-no."

- Aristotle

In conclusion:

The blackpill was always here. Even before man was, the blackpill waited for him. While it had a number of different names throughout the ages, (Such as καλός) the conclusion was always the same. Looks matter, to such a point where they BECOME your personality. Even cultures from this far back understood and acknowledged this.



 
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In practice it's not very different from today, we just call it halo effect:feelsseriously:
 
But some retarded normie who don't even could point Greece on map will say that looks don't matter
 
In practice it's not very different from today, we just call it halo effect:feelsseriously:
One of the most brutal blackpills is realizing that there never was a time period or culture in which ugly men like us would have thrived. (Unless we happened to be born into a wealthy family) It truly never began.
 
One of the most brutal blackpills is realizing that there never was a time period or culture in which ugly men like us would have thrived. (Unless we happened to be born into a wealthy family) It truly never began.
This:feelsUnreal: high IQ posts as always
 
Fuck this stupid ass idea. I hope anyone who thinks like this even subconsciously(probably 99% of Earth's population) is chopped up and fed to rabid dogs
 
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>stomps into thread
I have a caca theory that bad genetics comes in packs, so ugly people are usually also one or multiple of these things, not only from treatment but possibly from their bad genetics:
1. Stupid
2. Autistic
3. Lazy
4. Selfish
5. Unfunny (to normies)
6. Mental in some way
 
But some retarded normie who don't even could point Greece on map will say that looks don't matter
"Looks don't matter! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!" :soy:

Meanwhile, everyone from the Ancient Greeks to the Vikings agreed that your archetypal tall, strong, square-jawed Chad is the ideal male beauty standard.
 
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>stomps into thread
I have a caca theory that bad genetics comes in packs, so ugly people are usually also one or multiple of these things, not only from treatment but possibly from their bad genetics:
1. Stupid
2. Autistic
3. Lazy
4. Selfish
5. Unfunny (to normies)
6. Mental in some way
Autism actually does affect your facial phenotype, so you are correct in that regard.

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Fuck this stupid ass idea. I hope anyone who thinks like this even subconsciously(probably 99% of Earth's population) is chopped up and fed to rabid dogs
I eagerly await the day humanity goes extinct.
 
should be pinned or put in must read

i like these type of posts
 
should be pinned or put in must read
Immeadiatelly! Great threads like this get burried beneath dogpill and curry bullshit! Fuck this shithole!
 
Physiognomy is a fascinating subject regardless of it being true or not.
 
Physiognomy is a fascinating subject regardless of it being true or not.
It truly is, especially when you consider the way human beings are subconsciously wired to believe in it. Even children are less likely to trust ugly people.

 
This is true. Every history enthusiast I've known (Myself included) has been a sperg.

Even more over for you if you enjoy historical strategy games like I do.
 
In Sparta most users here would have been killed after birth.
 
In Sparta most users here would have been killed after birth.
i would love to get killed through that way at least i wouldn't need to suffer for decades
 
If someone is ugly it's because he is poor and evil.
If someone is poor it's because he is ugly and evil.
If someone is evil it's because he is poor and ugly.
If someone is beautiful it's because he is rich and good.
If someone is rich it's because he is beautiful and good.
If someone is good it's because he is rich and beautiful.
 
If someone is ugly it's because he is poor and evil.
If someone is poor it's because he is ugly and evil.
If someone is evil it's because he is poor and ugly.
If someone is beautiful it's because he is rich and good.
If someone is rich it's because he is beautiful and good.
If someone is good it's because he is rich and beautiful.
Incels are evil because they are poor and ugly.
Normies and good because they sit and take the shitty dating market like good little goys.
Chad is good because he has 6 feet, 6+ inches and makes 6 figures.
 
I wondER how much death was justified because of this concept.
 
Greeks were sodomites, that is why they thought male looks are important
 
Nietzsche was right when he said that Christianity is nothing but Platonism for the normies. Both tapestries of ideology alike represent the primal superstitions of human beings, especially the primitive urge to desire and seek 'Divine Logos' in the mindless, carnal arbitrary tyranny of nature. Plato just articulated this insight with style and wordplay but he was no less superstitious than the average joe who subconsciously equates physical beauty with inner character.
 
Greeks were sodomites, that is why they thought male looks are important
So did the vikings and pretty much every single civilization that has ever existed.

It's not about sodomy it's about human nature associating poor looks with a bad personality and good looks with purity and trust.

This is what happens when a creature gains conscious like humans did.
 
The beauty standards vary from culture to culture, though. Ancient Greeks, for example, considered large peepees to be ugly.
 
"Personal beauty requires that one should be tall;little people may have charm and elegance, but beauty-no."

- Aristotle


Heightpill always collects
No philosophy for your height
 
I don’t care about shit that happened ten thousand years ago
 
I don’t care about shit that happened ten thousand years ago
Cause you're fucking boring. This shit is still as relevant as it has ever been.
 
I don’t care about shit that happened ten thousand years ago
Certain things are timeless and independent of your place in history. The blackpill is one of them.
 
I don’t care about shit that happened ten thousand years ago
You are far from the only one, which is precisely why we are in this situation. Our fathers and grandfathers ignored all the wisdom of yesterday and chose to grant women rights.
 

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