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Experiment How much time do you think a foid is worth per week?

How much time is it worth spending on a foid as described to get sex once or rarely twice a week?

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RageAgainstTDL

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Most of the time that goes into a normie relationship is a man doing the following:
  • Listening to the foid talk about her day, what happened at work, what her friends are doing, or what she saw on reality TV or some other nonsense.
  • Going out to chick flick movies the foid wants to see or other girly entertainment like musical theater.
  • Going to restaurants where the man must pay and then make small talk and entertain the foid for 2+ hours each time.
  • Texting daily about boring nonsense.
  • Taking the girl shopping involving walking around for 1-2 hours while she tries on shoes and pretending to care, then buying the shoes for her.
  • Trying to think of what to say or do so that she might want to have sex once or twice a week.
etc.

Let's say the girl is 5-6/10.

How much time do you think would be worthwhile to invest in the above activities in order to get sex once or rarely twice a week? How long do you think you could do this for before you'd burn out?
 
I don't know about time. But I wonder how much it realistically costs per lay
 
I can barely tolerate other men, imagine living with a woman
 
I voted 3-5 if its with the now extinct traditional virgin bride that cooks you meals, cleans the house, isn't overweight.
 
I’d say 1-2 hours maximum. If sex is limited then I won’t waste my time.
 
Kek picked 911 for the lulz

But 15 hours is good, need to fuck her twice a day for an hour
 
I can barely hold the conversation for 10 minutes with average normie,can't imagine how I'd do it for multiple hours with a foid..I'ts over for autistcels:feelsrope:
 
Chad does not do any of that. He fucks. She goes thru the drive thru for her meal after wards. Or she pays for both.
 
I would be having sex constantly to make up for lost time so more than 15 hours of fucking per week.

otherwise about 5 minutes is as much as I could tolerate a foid when no sex is going on.
 
One hour per week is good I dont think i can stand at a foid more than that
 
No time is worth wasting on a foid.

I'm sorry but this shit is exactly why they have an inflated sense of self-worth.

Why should a guy dedicate "x" amount of time to a foid for a non-guaranteed chance to get sex which may not even be pleasurable?
You could waste 12 hours of your day and 100s of dollars and she can still say no, because supposedly we're not "entitled :soy:".

The whole social dynamic as to how men should treat foids is fucked up and needs to change.
If guys just stopped taking foids out on dates, engaging in small talk and further inflating their gigantic egos; I can promise you that foids would get their shit together and truly reward any guy who spends even an hour of their day with them (because it would be scarce).

So long as cucks exist, foids will still regard themselves as divine beings. When in reality they're dull vapid holes.
Beyond their vaginas, they have no character to them. Just listen to half the shit your average foid talks about (my age anyway): "Partying, Netflix series and Boyfriends/Other people's sex lives".

My social anxiety is a inhibitor to talking to foids, but I'd say their lack of 'personality' is a huge hindrance.
They're not worth the time in my book, but the fucked up thing is we're still biologically wired to want to pursue them: no matter the cost.
 
Less than one hour, I can't stand them anymore, so the quickier I get my release, the better.

Such a choice stems from the fact in most cases you can't get (((real))) validation by femoids, as it is all a scam, in my opinion. Being loved for a genetics I don't have is clearly impossible.

They pride themselves as the ultimate empaths, but the truth they're annoying because they have no reason to be pleasant to men, in the current sexual market. The hypocrisy would come out if suddently daddy government slacked off and told them to (((work))). You would see them becoming in the perfect home wife, which after all of this crap they put us through, it's clearly a doublefaced joke.
 
If you are sub4 surgery and looksmaxxing first then femoids
 
Getting an escort would be a better deal than any option passed two hours a week.
 
RageAgainstTDL said:
Most of the time that goes into a normie relationship is a man doing the following:
  • Listening to the foid talk about her day, what happened at work, what her friends are doing, or what she saw on reality TV or some other nonsense.
  • Going out to chick flick movies the foid wants to see or other girly entertainment like musical theater.
  • Going to restaurants where the man must pay and then make small talk and entertain the foid for 2+ hours each time.
  • Texting daily about boring nonsense.
  • Taking the girl shopping involving walking around for 1-2 hours while she tries on shoes and pretending to care, then buying the shoes for her.
  • Trying to think of what to say or do so that she might want to have sex once or twice a week.
etc.

Let's say the girl is 5-6/10.

How much time do you think would be worthwhile to invest in the above activities in order to get sex once or rarely twice a week? How long do you think you could do this for before you'd burn out?
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If we love each other I don't see those as hardships, the only thing I'm skeptical of is buying things for her.
 
Hate_my_life said:
No time is worth wasting on a foid.

I'm sorry but this shit is exactly why they have an inflated sense of self-worth.

Why should a guy dedicate "x" amount of time to a foid for a non-guaranteed chance to get sex which may not even be pleasurable?
You could waste 12 hours of your day and 100s of dollars and she can still say no, because supposedly we're not "entitled :soy:".

The whole social dynamic as to how men should treat foids is fucked up and needs to change.
If guys just stopped taking foids out on dates, engaging in small talk and further inflating their gigantic egos; I can promise you that foids would get their shit together and truly reward any guy who spends even an hour of their day with them (because it would be scarce).

So long as cucks exist, foids will still regard themselves as divine beings. When in reality they're dull vapid holes.
Beyond their vaginas, they have no character to them. Just listen to half the shit your average foid talks about (my age anyway): "Partying, Netflix series and Boyfriends/Other people's sex lives".

My social anxiety is a inhibitor to talking to foids, but I'd say their lack of 'personality' is a huge hindrance.
They're not worth the time in my book, but the fucked up thing is we're still biologically wired to want to pursue them: no matter the cost.
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Very well said.

Foids crave attention. It used to be where men were rewarded with sex when it was scarce.

Now the amount of attention has vastly overblown ugly foids into 90s celebrity status
 
Even one minute is not worth to spend with a foid if you will not get sex
 
if a girl is 5 or 6 out of ten, and assuming I'm a 6/10 (I am looksmaxing and moneymaxing, so tbh that's not that far off) - so we're "in each other's leagues"

then I want sex basically every time I interact with her.

I don't mean that in an every conversation she sucks my dick sense

but lets say I spend the evening with her. I don't mind her talking about her day as long as she equally cares about my day.

and then sex or whatever later.

So, we go on a date, 4 hrs, sex. that's a night, so that's my poll answer.

My argument is this:

I can go out with my friends for the evening, watch a movie or sports or whatever, talk about my day, hear about theirs. That's platonic.

I don't need a girlfriend to do the same thing without giving me any intimacy, because I can just do that with my friends.

Girls don't get bonus points for sitting watching tv and talking about their day just because they're female. the reason I'd have a girlfriend is for the intimacy and the sex basically.

I don't think this is particularly entitled, but no doubt shrieking feminists would want me to pay for shit, have to listen to a girl whine about stuff i don't care about all night when i could be doing something on my own and then not expect sex because that girl doesn't owe me anything.

and no doubt incels will say it's cucked because I'm prepared to have a relationship with a girl if she treats me right.

whatever.

the fact is, I've been single my whole life, and I'm pretty happy most of the time. I'll only ever get with a girl in any serious way if she adds to my life, and that means sex is included.

if not, worst thing is I'm a single incel again. no change from now
 
I’m starting to think they aren’t worth any time at all tbh.
 
0 hours, 0minutes and 0 seconds
 
She’s worth as much as she invested in me.
 
If the girl were white, young, virgin or at least mostly inexperienced sexually and 5-6/10, giving me sex twice a week, I'd gladly dedicate 15+ hours per week to her.

If you get tired of it just end the relationship theory, it's not like relationships last long nowadays anyway.
 
Barry said:
the fact is, I've been single my whole life, and I'm pretty happy most of the time. I'll only ever get with a girl in any serious way if she adds to my life, and that means sex is included.

if not, worst thing is I'm a single incel again. no change from now
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idk man, you might be fine now, but itll get worse as you actually became old (40+)
being old and lonely is nothing like being young and lonely...
 
0 hours.

Sex once or twice a week with the same foid is cuckoldry.

I can get more pleasure from fapping, and don't have to put up with the annoying sound of the dumb bitch's voice beforehand and afterwards.

A different foid each day of the week is where I would begin to consider making some sacrifices.
 
Anyone else wanna vote or weigh in? The more data the better. Then I'll get to the point of the thread ...
 
15 minutes for 5 fucks
 
i would speent 40 hours a week for a foid like that, but foids only want chads, so i guess i'm going back to the wasteland and hunt rats to eat boyos
 
Less than 1, not even kidding
 
One hour/week preferably.
 
I can spend time 15+ hours tbh. Its not worth it if shes not my ideal gf though.
 
Thanks to all poll participants. We got 40 votes formally. I'm now going to elaborate on the implications.

Primarily, the point of this thread is that I see so many guys on here talking about how lonely they are or how much they want a girlfriend. But I don't know that most of you really would if you really thought about what it would entail. I also believe that many of us would burn out after a few weeks at most of trying.

The Tradition of Vaginal Servitude
Part of the reason normies sound like such cucks when they talk about women is they have been indoctrinated into the system of vaginal servitude since they were teenagers. They got their first girlfriend at 15. It was so exciting and the prospect of any sexual reward was so great they would do anything for her. Spending 15+ hours a week chasing after her in every way might have been a good deal even if you just got to touch her thigh. And they got used to that routine over time.

The average normal man has "built in" to his expectations at least 6-10 hours of his week will go towards maintaining his foid. The greater her SMV relative to his, the more time he must expect to put in. Basically, this is the essence of working 9-5 Monday to Friday to pay your bills, and then picking up another shift Saturday 9-5 to "pay your foid". Of course that is just the "time payment". You also need to factor in the $$$ payment (eg. buying meals, etc) but that is beyond the scope of my point here.

This is why when many men who have been in relationships their whole lives hit 30 and get dumped or break up, and are finally single, they are RELIEVED. They talk about how much FREE TIME THEY FINALLY HAVE like it's the most incredible thing ever. They've been so indoctrinated in the system so long they can't believe it can be any other way. The MGTOWs aren't coping when they talk about how much more liberating it is to be able to do things for oneself instead of just for a foid. Anyone who works a 40 hour work week will know there isn't that much time left over after when you account for how tired you are. So to give most of that remaining time and energy away to someone else is quite a bit deal.

Only the highest tier Chads are exempt from this tradition, and since none of us will ever be those guys, where does that realistically leave us? I'm curious how much any of you have thought about this. Or how you think about it now if you hadn't considered it before.

In more detail, we can analyze responses as follows:

<2 HOURS (45%):
<1 hour - @blackcel @Lubricure @Chris_Jones @Cuyen @FaceandHFD @micropenis29 @Kobecel @UKTroglodyte86 @incelitis @Hate_my_life @Adolf_Hitler
1-2 hours - @Robtical @VictoryOrDeath @InsanityIsThisWorld @Mudkiper42 @Michael15651 @TerryFuckinHawkins @Dionysus

The only way to put less than 2 hours in a week and get sex is to be at least 4 points higher than the girl. Ie. Be a 9-10/10 banging 4s and 5s off Tinder. There is simply no other way to do this. No girl will have sex with any guy more closely looksmatched than this unless he is putting in more time or directly paying her for the sex.

This is essentially 100% MGTOW, hooker, or GigaChad territory. No one else is having sex this way under any reasonable or probable circumstance except perhaps due to the rarest chance. Since no one on this site will ever be a GigaChad, do you guys recognize that hookers or MGTOW are your only options?

3-11 HOURS (42.5%):
3-5 hours - @TheIncelStaresBack @Tempus Edax Rerum @RageAgainstTDL @anon @Barry @Karabim @OverBeforeItBegan @RegisterUserName @angrycurrycel @Hapacelricecel
6-11 hours - @Mavenes @Firefly @VirginNigga @Sans @Transcended Trucel @Reddit_is_for_cucks @ToDragonia

This is the normal range of how most regular relationships function. At the lower end of the spectrum, the 3-5 hour range is what could be expected for a 2-3 point mismatch. Eg. a 7/10 man on Tinder banging a 5/10 foid. Typically this would mean he meets her at a restaurant, buys her dinner, they banter for 2 hours, then he tries to get her to a bar or directly to his place, and after meeting at 7 PM optimistically by 11 PM or midnight, maybe he's got his dick in her. The next morning, he spends another hour with her before she leaves. It's still a fair amount of work, but it's not probably overwhelming. This is how normal 7-7.5/10 Chads (ie. not pro male models) get sex.

At the higher end of the spectrum, 6-11 hours is more of what's expected for a relatively looksmatched betabux type arrangement. The guy will do the same as the 7/10 guy in the example above, but it might only lead to sex every second or third time he "dates" her, so it will be double/triple the time input for the same amount of sex.

>12 HOURS (12.5%):
15+ hours - @EyesAreSoCold @Mainländer @Life Wasted @ShyManlet @GameDevCel

This is mega betabux and emotional tampon tier. This essentially breaks down as follows: 1 hour a day Monday to Friday talking to her or texting her about her problems, then a full day on Saturday or Sunday spent with her doing her activities, or alternatively half the day on Saturday and Sunday doing her activities. If you are working a typical job as well, by the time you mentally exhaust yourself trying to keep up with all this, you will have very little mental energy or time left for any other copes.

This is the tier where men must give up all their hobbies and interests because your only hobby or interest will be keeping the foid happy. There's no ceiling to this. At the high end, it's a full time job completely. 1-2 hours every evening Monday to Friday, then 8 hours each on Saturday & Sunday (ie. An extra 20-25+ hours a week).

When you see those rare cherry picked examples of 5/10 guys with 7/10 girls or 4/10 ethnics with 6+/10 white girls (Eg. STPeach with her Asian guy), this is generally what's happening. Plus there is usually also a massive financial transfer going on as well, where he's paying off her student loans or buying everything in the relationship including constant gifts etc.

This is also the type of arrangement many of those Reddit cucks have, and it is also why they speak so bitterly about incels "not wanting to put the work in to get a relationship". These types of soyboys have slaved their whole lives for the little mediocre sex they have had. So it makes them bitter to see people like us point out what a bad deal the whole thing really is and how scammed non-Chad men get in the sexual marketplace.

Conclusion:
Many people on this site make fun of MGTOWs. Primarily it's the "G" people argue over. Can you really have "gone" your own way if you never had a choice? I don't think it really matters in the end. Realistically, anyone who isn't willing to put this level of time in is in the same class as the MGTOWs. I don't care about the "label" of MGTOW. Just the point.

What most MGTOWs say is simply this: WOMEN ARE NOT WORTH THE TIME/MONEY COMMITMENT (OR RISK) THEY REQUIRE. Looking at the examples above, how much can you really disagree?

Most people on this site don't want to put in the normal amount of work that even 7/10 men must invest. 45% of poll respondents only wanted women if it takes <2 hours investment per episode of sex. There is nothing wrong with that and I can empathize. I'm not willing to put much more in myself. But at that level, we all better hope sex robots get better soon or we're not getting shit.

The only people with the slightest chance of success, given that we are all sub 5 or autistic to be on this site in the first place, are the >12 hours guys, since if they throw some money in as well, and find a low enough tier girl, they might be able to betabux their way to accomplish their goal.

When you think about it realistically and honestly, does being volcel/MGTOW/MSTOW really sound so bad after all?
 
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@RageAgainstTDL so how did you see how was the voters, are you one of (((them)))
 
GameDevCel said:
@RageAgainstTDL so how did you see how was the voters, are you one of (((them)))
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It's a public poll. When you create a poll, you can make it public or private. For public polls, if you click each level of response, you can see everyone that voted for that option.

No conspiracy. You can see it too. :feelsokman:
 
RageAgainstTDL said:
It's a public poll. When you create a poll, you can make it public or private. For public polls, if you click each level of response, you can see everyone that voted for that option.

No conspiracy. You can see it too. :feelsokman:
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ok
 
if the foid truly cared about me and loved me i'll happily spend over 15hrs a week with her becuase i'm so lonely, but with the typical annoying western cunt probably only like 1-2hrs is enough
 
incredibly well thought out conclusion there @RageAgainstTDL .

Now I just have to get to 7/10 and get with average girls.

I find that using the gap in SMV points is actually really useful.

Assuming effort + looks gap is true, it's a great way to point out what's realistic for an incel.

e.g. if you want an 8/10 and yuo're only a 6, be prepared to be her slave for life
or if you want the chad life and you're 5/10 you can maybe do that with 1 or 2/10 girls.

great work
 
RageAgainstTDL said:
The only way to put less than 2 hours in a week and get sex is to be at least 4 points higher than the girl. Ie. Be a 9-10/10 banging 4s and 5s off Tinder. There is simply no other way to do this. No girl will have sex with any guy more closely looksmatched than this unless he is putting in more time or directly paying her for the sex.

This is essentially 100% MGTOW, hooker, or GigaChad territory. No one else is having sex this way under any reasonable or probable circumstance except perhaps due to the rarest chance. Since no one on this site will ever be a GigaChad, do you guys recognize that hookers or MGTOW are your only options?
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You're right, and that would mean that a 10/10 male could hypothetically shag "only" a 6, a 7 with an astronomical quantity of luck, in the best case scenario. Just fucking lol... :feelshaha:

I acknowledge that hookers would be my only option, but given the transactional nature of male/female relationships, I shrug off long term relationships slavery contracts. After the blackpill I noticed that I can't even fathom why should I get committed in a relationship -no way it can happen, anyway- when I would get cucked out of the existence itself. I´ve seen you voted for 3-11h option, I wouldn't have the energy to do it as I´m irreversibly burned out, and I commend for your patience in such a scenario. Your motivations are very reasonable. I´ll wait for sexual market shattering copes, I guess.
 
RageAgainstTDL said:
Most of the time that goes into a normie relationship is a man doing the following:
  • Listening to the foid talk about her day, what happened at work, what her friends are doing, or what she saw on reality TV or some other nonsense.
  • Going out to chick flick movies the foid wants to see or other girly entertainment like musical theater.
  • Going to restaurants where the man must pay and then make small talk and entertain the foid for 2+ hours each time.
  • Texting daily about boring nonsense.
  • Taking the girl shopping involving walking around for 1-2 hours while she tries on shoes and pretending to care, then buying the shoes for her.
  • Trying to think of what to say or do so that she might want to have sex once or twice a week.
etc.

Let's say the girl is 5-6/10.

How much time do you think would be worthwhile to invest in the above activities in order to get sex once or rarely twice a week? How long do you think you could do this for before you'd burn out?
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depends on how she treats you

if she worships you (like a chad) you can easily tolerate her 20 hours a week

if she's aloof, you'll get sick of her after an hour
 
TheGambler2 said:
I can barely hold the conversation for 10 minutes with average normie,can't imagine how I'd do it for multiple hours with a foid..I'ts over for autistcels:feelsrope:
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Dont cope me but i genuinely think me life would be worsewith gf. I would only get laid like once every 2 weeks but would have to spend countless amount of precious energy on her every day.

Just imagine you come home mentally tired from wagecucking and instead of doing something relaxing you have to talk to your gf and shit. I wouldnt last a week.
 
They're worth the time it takes to ejaculate into them, and they should be thankful for any additional consideration.
 
kvn said:
Dont cope me but i genuinely think me life would be worsewith gf. I would only get laid like once every 2 weeks but would have to spend countless amount of precious energy on her every day.

Just imagine you come home mentally tired from wagecucking and instead of doing something relaxing you have to talk to your gf and shit. I wouldnt last a week.
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Yeah I won't even disagree with you tbh.Imagine all the bitching,constant worry about being cheated on,arguing you'd have to go through.From a logical standpoint there are just so many cons of having a gf.But that's just how we are biologically programmed:we have the natural drive to seek for a partner,which makes us depressed :feelsrope:
 
RageAgainstTDL said:
What most MGTOWs say is simply this: WOMEN ARE NOT WORTH THE TIME/MONEY COMMITMENT (OR RISK) THEY REQUIRE.
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I pretty much agree with that, MGTOW have a lot of valid points out there, imo they are our allies.
 
If she was one of my oneitises then every second
 
Not much. Sex and netflix take 3 hrs tops.
 
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