Thanks to all poll participants. We got 40 votes formally. I'm now going to elaborate on the implications.
Primarily, the point of this thread is that I see so many guys on here talking about how lonely they are or how much they want a girlfriend. But I don't know that most of you really would if you really thought about what it would entail. I also believe that many of us would burn out after a few weeks at most of trying.
The Tradition of Vaginal Servitude
Part of the reason normies sound like such cucks when they talk about women is they have been indoctrinated into the system of vaginal servitude since they were teenagers. They got their first girlfriend at 15. It was so exciting and the prospect of any sexual reward was so great they would do anything for her. Spending 15+ hours a week chasing after her in every way might have been a good deal even if you just got to touch her thigh. And they got used to that routine over time.
The average normal man has "built in" to his expectations at least 6-10 hours of his week will go towards maintaining his foid. The greater her SMV relative to his, the more time he must expect to put in. Basically, this is the essence of working 9-5 Monday to Friday to pay your bills, and then picking up another shift Saturday 9-5 to "pay your foid". Of course that is just the "time payment". You also need to factor in the $$$ payment (eg. buying meals, etc) but that is beyond the scope of my point here.
This is why when many men who have been in relationships their whole lives hit 30 and get dumped or break up, and are finally single, they are RELIEVED. They talk about how much FREE TIME THEY FINALLY HAVE like it's the most incredible thing ever. They've been so indoctrinated in the system so long they can't believe it can be any other way. The MGTOWs aren't coping when they talk about how much more liberating it is to be able to do things for oneself instead of just for a foid. Anyone who works a 40 hour work week will know there isn't that much time left over after when you account for how tired you are. So to give most of that remaining time and energy away to someone else is quite a bit deal.
Only the highest tier Chads are exempt from this tradition, and since none of us will ever be those guys, where does that realistically leave us? I'm curious how much any of you have thought about this. Or how you think about it now if you hadn't considered it before.
In more detail, we can analyze responses as follows:
<2 HOURS (45%):
<1 hour -
@blackcel
L
@Lubricure
@Chris_Jones
@Cuyen
F
@FaceandHFD
@micropenis29
K
@Kobecel
@UKTroglodyte86
@incelitis
@Hate_my_life
@Adolf_Hitler
1-2 hours -
@Robtical
@VictoryOrDeath
@InsanityIsThisWorld
@Mudkiper42
@Michael15651
@TerryFuckinHawkins
@Dionysus
The only way to put less than 2 hours in a week and get sex is to be at least 4 points higher than the girl. Ie. Be a 9-10/10 banging 4s and 5s off Tinder. There is simply no other way to do this. No girl will have sex with any guy more closely looksmatched than this unless he is putting in more time or directly paying her for the sex.
This is essentially 100% MGTOW, hooker, or GigaChad territory. No one else is having sex this way under any reasonable or probable circumstance except perhaps due to the rarest chance. Since no one on this site will ever be a GigaChad, do you guys recognize that hookers or MGTOW are your only options?
3-11 HOURS (42.5%):
3-5 hours -
@TheIncelStaresBack
@Tempus Edax Rerum
@RageAgainstTDL
@anon
@Barry
@Karabim
D
@OverBeforeItBegan @RegisterUserName
@angrycurrycel
H
@Hapacelricecel
6-11 hours -
M
@Mavenes
@Firefly
@VirginNigga
S
@Sans
@Transcended Trucel
@Reddit_is_for_cucks
@ToDragonia
This is the normal range of how most regular relationships function. At the lower end of the spectrum, the 3-5 hour range is what could be expected for a 2-3 point mismatch. Eg. a 7/10 man on Tinder banging a 5/10 foid. Typically this would mean he meets her at a restaurant, buys her dinner, they banter for 2 hours, then he tries to get her to a bar or directly to his place, and after meeting at 7 PM optimistically by 11 PM or midnight, maybe he's got his dick in her. The next morning, he spends another hour with her before she leaves. It's still a fair amount of work, but it's not probably overwhelming. This is how normal 7-7.5/10 Chads (ie. not pro male models) get sex.
At the higher end of the spectrum, 6-11 hours is more of what's expected for a relatively looksmatched betabux type arrangement. The guy will do the same as the 7/10 guy in the example above, but it might only lead to sex every second or third time he "dates" her, so it will be double/triple the time input for the same amount of sex.
>12 HOURS (12.5%):
15+ hours -
@EyesAreSoCold
@Mainländer
@Life Wasted
S
@ShyManlet
@GameDevCel
This is mega betabux and emotional tampon tier. This essentially breaks down as follows: 1 hour a day Monday to Friday talking to her or texting her about her problems, then a full day on Saturday or Sunday spent with her doing her activities, or alternatively half the day on Saturday and Sunday doing her activities. If you are working a typical job as well, by the time you mentally exhaust yourself trying to keep up with all this, you will have very little mental energy or time left for any other copes.
This is the tier where men must give up all their hobbies and interests because your only hobby or interest will be keeping the foid happy. There's no ceiling to this. At the high end, it's a full time job completely. 1-2 hours every evening Monday to Friday, then 8 hours each on Saturday & Sunday (ie. An extra 20-25+ hours a week).
When you see those rare cherry picked examples of 5/10 guys with 7/10 girls or 4/10 ethnics with 6+/10 white girls (Eg. STPeach with her Asian guy), this is generally what's happening. Plus there is usually also a massive financial transfer going on as well, where he's paying off her student loans or buying everything in the relationship including constant gifts etc.
This is also the type of arrangement many of those Reddit cucks have, and it is also why they speak so bitterly about incels "not wanting to put the work in to get a relationship". These types of soyboys have slaved their whole lives for the little mediocre sex they have had. So it makes them bitter to see people like us point out what a bad deal the whole thing really is and how scammed non-Chad men get in the sexual marketplace.
Conclusion:
Many people on this site make fun of MGTOWs. Primarily it's the "G" people argue over. Can you really have "gone" your own way if you never had a choice? I don't think it really matters in the end. Realistically, anyone who isn't willing to put this level of time in is in the same class as the MGTOWs. I don't care about the "label" of MGTOW. Just the point.
What most MGTOWs say is simply this:
WOMEN ARE NOT WORTH THE TIME/MONEY COMMITMENT (OR RISK) THEY REQUIRE. Looking at the examples above, how much can you really disagree?
Most people on this site don't want to put in the normal amount of work that even 7/10 men must invest. 45% of poll respondents only wanted women if it takes <2 hours investment per episode of sex. There is nothing wrong with that and I can empathize. I'm not willing to put much more in myself. But at that level, we all better hope sex robots get better soon or we're not getting shit.
The only people with the slightest chance of success, given that we are all sub 5 or autistic to be on this site in the first place, are the >12 hours guys, since if they throw some money in as well, and find a low enough tier girl, they might be able to betabux their way to accomplish their goal.
When you think about it realistically and honestly, does being volcel/MGTOW/MSTOW really sound so bad after all?
