Discussion How incels like me were "able to" cold approach hundreds of women. (and why I don't recommend it)

[Ryo_Hazuki]

There are some people here like @autistandugly who don't seem to understand how some of us incels were able to cold approach hundreds of women, so I figured I would give some insight.

To get the obvious out of the way, there is SOME genetic component to this. I'm naturally high T, extroverted, and low inhib. But I think in this case the environment I grew up in played as big of a role, possibly even a bigger one. As many of you know, I was born in the 80s, and grew up in the 90s and early 2000s. Times were very different. During my formative years, most people weren't hyper-introverted and terminally online. The internet existed, but there wasn't nearly as much to do on it. There were videos online but they were few and far between. Youtube didn't exist. There wasn't this non-stop flow of video content to spend hours doomscrolling through. There weren't "streamers" for us to form parasocial relationships with. Etc.

So we made friends with other kids our age in our neighborhood. Back in my day if there was a kid within a couple years of your age within a ~5 block radius, you knew them on some personal level (even if they went to a different school), either as a friend, acquaintance, or possibly an enemy. We hung out, played basketball, football or baseball, and generally developed social skills. But zoomers today grew up terminally online. They spent their formative years getting instant gratification on the internet. There were also "third places" like malls and arcades, which are pretty much dead at this point. Not only were they good places to go just to hang out, but they were also places where people would make new friends. Many of the friends I made in the 2000s I made at the arcade playing fighting games.

Everyone didn't have their faces stuffed in their phones the entire time and talking to strangers and getting to know them (and possibly becoming friends with them) was contextually normal. All of these things led to us properly developing social skills that most of gen z never properly developed. You guys might not realize it, but the average zoomer is much closer to guys like @autistandugly than to me.

Also worth noting that most of my cold approaches were done in the mid to late 2000s. The culture was very different. The genders weren't as divided, radical feminism wasn't the default for every woman, and women weren't hysterically paranoid about men. So the cultural attitude about cold approaching was very different. Basically as long as you followed a few unspoken but well understood rules like:

1) Don't touch her
2) Don't insult her or say anything offensive
3) Don't say or allude to anything sexual
4) Know when to walk away

you weren't doing anything gravely wrong. Cold approaching as an ugly guy was still seen as somewhat bad in the sense that you were seen as "creepy", but as long as you followed those common sense rules (which I always did) you wouldn't get in trouble for the most part. The main thing you had to worry about was it turning out that woman you cold approached had a boyfriend and he was somewhere at that venue and he saw you trying to talk to her. Some jealous boyfriends would get violent, I have first-hand experience with that. But other than that, you wouldn't get "cancelled" and it wasn't considered "harassment" like it is today.

People like @autistandugly wonder how I "was able to" do it, how I "had the balls" to do it...but it's not something I ever really had to "work up the courage" to do. The only time I ever had to muster the courage to approach was my first ever approach when I was in 7th grade. But after that cold approaching and getting rejected was just normal for me. I didn't overthink it, I just did it. In fact, ultimately I had the opposite problem, I found it difficult to quit cold approaching, as strange as that may sound.

I remember when I was in high school, I had a friend who had an older brother who was clearly addicted to buying lottery tickets. He'd buy a bunch of them every paycheck. I remember asking him why he kept throwing his hard-earned money on lottery tickets when he was losing every single time. He simply said "I only need to win once". I mean, technically that's true, but he clearly wasn't going to win, and I remember just thinking he was retarded. But now I get it (I don't think I need to spell out the parallels here).

I had already tried social circle game but all of the single women in my social circles had rejected me. Online dating existed back in the mid 2000s, but it wasn't nearly as big as it is today. I probably messaged literally EVERY sub5 woman within a 10 mile radius on both okcupid and plentyoffish (on those sites you could just message women, you didn't need to match with them first). Many of my messages were custom tailored to what was in their profile, it wasn't just copy and paste. But bottom line is, at a point it felt like cold approaching was the only thing left to do. Without cold approaching, it felt like time was just passing me by.

Also just for the record, in today's hyper-introverted, unsocial, terminally online, radical feminist, low trust, paranoid world, I strongly advise against cold approaching.

I know this post will come off as boomer tier "WE WERE THE LAST GENERATION OF REAL MEN!" (or alternatively "WE WUZ EXTROVERTS N SHEET") but hopefully it gives some interesting insight for some zoomers who might not understand.

 

[ChudCrusader]

I think I've approached 2 times in my life, both ended in shit.

And I've befriended 2 foids who I tried to ask out later, and both ended in shit.

And I've shot DMS to dozens of foids during my bluepilled days, all ended up left on seen or delivered.

I'm not entirely high/low inhib, I think I'm somewhere in the middle.

 

[Itsoverm8]

I'm naturally high T, extroverted, and low inhib

Shutup faggot

 

[superpsycho]

i approached multiple times in high school and every single one of those was a massive failure. i eventually got bullied out of it. never again.

 

[MokaWeed]

i approached multiple times in high school and every single one of those was a massive failure.

 

[Goofygoober007]

There are some people here like @autistandugly who don't seem to understand how some of us incels were able to cold approach hundreds of women, so I figured I would give some insight.

To get the obvious out of the way, there is SOME genetic component to this. I'm naturally high T, extroverted, and low inhib. But I think in this case the environment I grew up in played as big of a role, possibly even a bigger one. As many of you know, I was born in the 80s, and grew up in the 90s and early 2000s. Times were very different. During my formative years, most people weren't hyper-introverted and terminally online. The internet existed, but there wasn't nearly as much to do on it. There were videos online but they were few and far between. Youtube didn't exist. There wasn't this non-stop flow of video content to spend hours doomscrolling through. There weren't "streamers" for us to form parasocial relationships with. Etc.

So we made friends with other kids our age in our neighborhood. Back in my day if there was a kid within a couple years of your age within a ~5 block radius, you knew them on some personal level (even if they went to a different school), either as a friend, acquaintance, or possibly an enemy. We hung out, played basketball, football or baseball, and generally developed social skills. But zoomers today grew up terminally online. They spent their formative years getting instant gratification on the internet. There were also "third places" like malls and arcades, which are pretty much dead at this point. Not only were they good places to go just to hang out, but they were also places where people would make new friends. Many of the friends I made in the 2000s I made at the arcade playing fighting games.

Everyone didn't have their faces stuffed in their phones the entire time and talking to strangers and getting to know them (and possibly becoming friends with them) was contextually normal. All of these things led to us properly developing social skills that most of gen z never properly developed. You guys might not realize it, but the average zoomer is much closer to guys like @autistandugly than to me.

Also worth noting that most of my cold approaches were done in the mid to late 2000s. The culture was very different. The genders weren't as divided, radical feminism wasn't the default for every woman, and women weren't hysterically paranoid about men. So the cultural attitude about cold approaching was very different. Basically as long as you followed a few unspoken but well understood rules like:

1) Don't touch her
2) Don't insult her or say anything offensive
3) Don't say or allude to anything sexual
4) Know when to walk away

you weren't doing anything gravely wrong. Cold approaching as an ugly guy was still seen as somewhat bad in the sense that you were seen as "creepy", but as long as you followed those common sense rules (which I always did) you wouldn't get in trouble for the most part. The main thing you had to worry about was it turning out that woman you cold approached had a boyfriend and he was somewhere at that venue and he saw you trying to talk to her. Some jealous boyfriends would get violent, I have first-hand experience with that. But other than that, you wouldn't get "cancelled" and it wasn't considered "harassment" like it is today.

People like @autistandugly wonder how I "was able to" do it, how I "had the balls" to do it...but it's not something I ever really had to "work up the courage" to do. The only time I ever had to muster the courage to approach was my first ever approach when I was in 7th grade. But after that cold approaching and getting rejected was just normal for me. I didn't overthink it, I just did it. In fact, ultimately I had the opposite problem, I found it difficult to quit cold approaching, as strange as that may sound.

I remember when I was in high school, I had a friend who had an older brother who was clearly addicted to buying lottery tickets. He'd buy a bunch of them every paycheck. I remember asking him why he kept throwing his hard-earned money on lottery tickets when he was losing every single time. He simply said "I only need to win once". I mean, technically that's true, but he clearly wasn't going to win, and I remember just thinking he was retarded. But now I get it (I don't think I need to spell out the parallels here).

I had already tried social circle game but all of the single women in my social circles had rejected me. Online dating existed back in the mid 2000s, but it wasn't nearly as big as it is today. I probably messaged literally EVERY sub5 woman within a 10 mile radius on both okcupid and plentyoffish (on those sites you could just message women, you didn't need to match with them first). Many of my messages were custom tailored to what was in their profile, it wasn't just copy and paste. But bottom line is, at a point it felt like cold approaching was the only thing left to do. Without cold approaching, it felt like time was just passing me by.

Also just for the record, in today's hyper-introverted, unsocial, terminally online, radical feminist, low trust, paranoid world, I strongly advise against cold approaching.

I know this post will come off as boomer tier "WE WERE THE LAST GENERATION OF REAL MEN!" (or alternatively "WE WUZ EXTROVERTS N SHEET") but hopefully it gives some interesting insight for some zoomers who might not understand.

If you're an Incel you're not high T thats very definition estrogen dominant behavior.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

If you're an Incel you're not high T thats very definition estrogen dominant behavior.

>Implying high T ugly ogres can't be incel
>Implying that inceldom is the result of "estrogen dominant behavior" as opposed to looks

Tiktok (or wherever you 2026cel are coming from) aren't sending their best. Or maybe this is their best.

 

[Goofygoober007]

>Implying high T ugly ogres can't be incel
>Implying that inceldom is the result of "estrogen dominant behavior" as opposed to looks

Tiktok (or wherever you 2026cel are coming from) aren't sending their best. Or maybe this is their best.

There's a lot more to Inceldom then low T but thats part of it. If you dont want to get out of your room and sit in there all day and play video games and sit on your fourm your body isn't functioning properly. You should want to socialize and get out learn new things participate in society make new friends and such.

Thats not to say looks dont play a part in this phenomenon. I'm getting into behavioral aspects that turn people and women off and some of us are just completely incapable of doing that like in my case. Until thats rectified and some it's permanent damage that we no control over ounce we get to a certain age.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

There's a lot more to Inceldom then low T but thats part of it. If you dont want to get out of your room and sit in there all day and play video games and sit on your fourm your body isn't functioning properly. You should want to socialize and get out learn new things participate in society make new friends and such.

And how do you explain extroverted incels like me who did lots of cold approaches (and did social circle game as well) only to always get rejected, and by sub5 women at that?

Seems you've created a worldview that a priori rules out the possibility a truecel like me could even exist.

 

[Goofygoober007]

And how do you explain extroverted incels like me who did lots of cold approaches (and did social circle game as well) only to always get rejected, and by sub5 women at that?

Seems you've created a worldview that a priori rules out the possibility a truecel like me could even exist.

If you look ugly and your cold approaching 11/10 women and your 2/10 yes thats doomed to fail and if you keep doing that and dont get it theres something wrong. I know my place in the food chain I wouldnt dare to that over and over again especially if doesnt work.

What's your definition of a sub5 women? thats very subjective also what do you look like give me description are you fat creepy looking or skinny and nerdy awkward looking? The way you do it too matters bro you cant be acting like the way a good looking chad does its circumstancle. Give an example theres guy in my NA thats musclar biker looking dude he can get away with charming, kissing/tickling type flirting with the girls thats not something I can do thats would immediately result in a sexual harassment charge and that would be unhealthy behavior because im not good looking I tried it kinda and went horribly wrong. Striking a normal conversation with those sub5 chick's and if your orge looking truly orge looking would be the way to start, your being awkward is what I supect was going on. Theres a lot more than T as I said that creates that behavior thats off putting to women like being serotonin dominant. There either awkward and talking to much or there completely quite and never talk like me.

 

[ihatelife2]

Relatable. The lottery ticket analogy is good. Also same, I know as a fact no one will like me on dating apps (or irl) but it's too hard to do nothing at all and thus face the emptiness and hopelessness of our lives. What did you say when you cold approached?

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

If you look ugly and your cold approaching 11/10 women and your 2/10 yes thats doomed to fail and if you keep doing that and dont get it theres something wrong. I know my place in the food chain I wouldnt dare to that over and over again especially if doesnt work.

What's your definition of a sub5 women? thats very subjective also what do you look like give me description are you fat creepy looking or skinny and nerdy awkward looking?

I was going for true sub5 women. For example, one woman I tried to get with at a bar (that I bought a bunch of drinks for) was so fat she could barely walk. We're talking over 400lbs. Even 3/10 women and below have a lot of guys trying to get with them due to their illusion of attainability (see: juggernaut law). This is blackpill 101 stuff, which you seem to be rejecting.

As for what I looked like back when I was cold approaching. I was very lean and gymmaxxed with a 6 pack, so not fat. Extremely ugly face though. The "low trust creepy" kind of ugly, but not the "weak nerdy" type.

 

[Goofygoober007]

I was going for true sub5 women. For example, one woman I tried to get with at a bar (that I bought a bunch of drinks for) was so fat she could barely walk. We're talking over 400lbs. Even 3/10 women and below have a lot of guys trying to get with them due to their illusion of attainability (see: juggernaut law). This is blackpill 101 stuff, which you seem to be rejecting.

As for what I looked like back when I was cold approaching. I was very lean and gymmaxxed with a 6 pack, so not fat. Extremely ugly face though. The "low trust creepy" kind of ugly, but not the "weak nerdy" type.

Yes that would defiantly play part then I was under the assumption that you were fat. How old were you when you were doing that?

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Yes that would defiantly play part then then I was under the assumption that you were fat. How old were you when you were doing that?

Late teens to early 20s.

 

[Hoppipolla]

Women were pretty much seen as equals back then.

Ironically I'd say it was the most feminist time in that they got treated far more like men than now when they seem to basically be seen as queens.

 

[Goofygoober007]

Late teens to early 20s.

Yeah ounce you get to certain age bone structure in the face cant be help and some people there parents are so defianct in minerals and toxic in metals its even to late for them. Yes I absolutely believe there people who cant be helped especially when comes to the face to a degree. Having flat effect can also put women off which cant be helped in most cases the damage is done. I have poor bone structure, lost all my teeth, social awkward and inept, and have flat effect all that makes people creeped out by me and antisocial behavior thats another factor.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Yeah ounce you get to certain age bone structure in the face cant be help and some people there parents are so defianct in minerals and toxic in metals its even to late for them. Yes I absolutely believe there people who cant be helped especially when comes to the face to a degree. Having flat effect can also put women off which cant be helped in most cases the damage is done. I have poor bone structure, lost all my teeth, social awkward and inept, and have flat effect all that makes people creeped out by me and antisocial behavior thats another factor.

I noticed that a lot of zoomers have a perpetual flat affect. I made a thread a few weeks ago about how a lot of zoomers talk in a monotone voice. Many of my zoomer coworkers are like this. It seems to get more common the younger you go in gen z. They just never developed proper social skills due to being terminally online from a very young age and hyper-introverted. Almost all of my zoomer coworkers would have gotten clowned on if they acted the way they do back when I was growing up.

Tiktok brain is an epidemic.

 

[Goofygoober007]

I noticed that a lot of zoomers have a perpetual flat affect. I made a thread a few weeks ago about how a lot of zoomers talk in a monotone voice. Many of my zoomer coworkers are like this. It seems to get more common the younger you go in gen z. They just never developed proper social skills due to being terminally online from a very young age and hyper-introverted. Almost all of my zoomer coworkers would have gotten clowned on if they acted the way they do back when I was growing up.

Tiktok brain is an epidemic.

That's my little brother. He sat in his room for the entirety of his 18 years on this planet. My parents never forced him to socialize and hes not bad looking though very awkward and autistic I worry about him.

 

[ravisk]

I was going for true sub5 women. For example, one woman I tried to get with at a bar (that I bought a bunch of drinks for) was so fat she could barely walk. We're talking over 400lbs. Even 3/10 women and below have a lot of guys trying to get with them due to their illusion of attainability (see: juggernaut law). This is blackpill 101 stuff, which you seem to be rejecting.

As for what I looked like back when I was cold approaching. I was very lean and gymmaxxed with a 6 pack, so not fat. Extremely ugly face though. The "low trust creepy" kind of ugly, but not the "weak nerdy" type.

Your experiences sound WAYYYYY more brutal than the average incels for some reason. I think most incels could eventually get something if they tried hard enough and looksmaxxed enough, Im not saying it would be alot or good but they might be able to get something but with you it just sounds way more fucking brutal

 

[superpsycho]

They just never developed proper social skills due to being terminally online from a very young age and hyper-introverted.

i got out of high school less than a year ago, its true that gen z is the least social out of any generation in the past but most people i grew up with were still rather social and well-adjusted people. its just ugly subhumans like me who are subject to isolation and rotterdom. i do have to admit though, the average (neurotypical) zoomer is an evil self-centered piece of shit, the type of evil that would make Niccolo Machiavelli shed tears of joy.

 

[Giracel]

It is an insightful perspective you provide. The winds of social change are destructive. At 22, cold approaching is de facto out of the question.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Your experiences sound WAYYYYY more brutal than the average incels for some reason.

Of course. I actually went out and approached a lot of women, so obviously I had a lot more brutal experiences than the average zoomer on here who only asked out a single digit number of women in his life and spends their youth mostly at home.

At the risk of sounding hyperbolic, it's like comparing the military experience of a marine with multiple deployments to combat zones to someone who served in the air national guard.

 

[kapri]

God I wish I was born 20 years sooner.
I'm probably a LTN and a huge mentalcel.
What you're describing sounds like heaven, but I feel like I'd still find a way to lock myself into a corner.
Also is there a thread on your cold approaches? And what would you rate yourself/10? What were the 90s like for an incel? To me they seemed way more wild for an average person, but way less provocative, hypersexual and in your face, so I'd imagine people had waaayyy more sex but were more tame about the whole thing. I've also wondered, wouldn't it be easy to just go to a small town/village and pickup a woman that hasn't even seen more than 10 men? It's very hard for me to imagine being an incel in those times, and I'm not calling you a fakecel, if anything you are probably one of the truest truecels here. Also any advice for a incel of this age? I mean advice about anything. I'm 23 and maybe delusional but I carry hope, so I'm still trying. The day I lose hope is the day I end it.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

All the experiences of the older incels like you and those your age are also part of the explanation to why younger incels don't ask out random girls as much as you did.

In the mid-to-late 2000s, I don't think there was many bp content available. Redpill or PUA shit maybe? You guys had to rely on basically nothing in terms of relevant and useful bp advice, and cold-approaching was the main, if not at times the only way to actually talk to a girl you were interested in. (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm technically an early zoomer, I started to get interested in "how to pick up a girl" stuff around maybe 2016, and discovered the bp in 2020. At that point, there were already plenty of content and experiments on the internet (blackpilled and not blackpilled) I could refer to and learn from, notably the experiences of older guys, 5 or 10 years older, if not older.

If we (guys my age) did the exact same thing of cold-approaching girls all the time, if we approached the exact same way and did the exact same mistakes, it would just prove that the younger generations didn't learn anything.

While imo it's the opposite, I think many learned about the previous experiences of older incels, even subconsciously. We saw what you guys did, we took conclusions from those experiences and tried to learn from you and not do the same mistakes.

As you said, cold-approaching a foid nowadays can have way too many bad consequences for your reputation (being called out, pictures taken of you and published on social media), or threaten directly your physical integrity if she's armed, if she has a bf or if there are cucks wanting to defend her.

I did a couple face-to-face cold approaches (first one was a classmate I didn't have any other way to contact, the other was at a nightclub), but most of the times I asked out a girl were through social media or text messages. This is helpful for introverted incels like me who are too shy to confess their feelings face-to-face, but it also has the side effect that several other guys might have the same idea than you...

 

[ravisk]

Of course. I actually went out and approached a lot of women, so obviously I had a lot more brutal experiences than the average zoomer on here who only asked out a single digit number of women in his life and spends their youth mostly at home.

At the risk of sounding hyperbolic, it's like comparing the military experience of a marine with multiple deployments to combat zones to someone who served in the air national guard.

But would you say your average incel has (or had) more of a chance of ascending than you did? You knowing average incel vs truecels type stuff.

 

[Wolnir]

I'm naturally high T, extroverted, and low inhib

stopped reading here, normiecel.

 

[EcstasyCel]

Women are a fucking minefield today, especially if they are BPD.

 

[Todd Thundercock]

All of my ~50-100 cold approaches were done in the early 2000s. Society already begun its degradation by then, but nowhere near where it is now.

Go back to the late-90s and earlier, talking to everyone was normal. Even the attractive and rich people. Rejection was still common, but none of this creepy bullshit. People had to go out regularly for their job, school, errands and it was commonplace to find the same people regularly and talk to them.

Go back to my parents' boomer generation, there were strong communities where everyone watched out for each other. It sounds like a faraway fantasy world when they talk about their upbringing.

Everything is getting worse.

 

[Kamanbert]

Even "normal" people admit that society became more hostile in regards to this, my shrink once gave an exemple and said how some scenes from early 2000's movies seem weird now cause men cant approach women the way they used to. Ofc this namby-pamby wouldn't come to the conclusion how this deterioration of society is spearheaded by man-hate.

 

[Rapistcel]

There are some people here like @autistandugly who don't seem to understand how some of us incels were able to cold approach hundreds of women, so I figured I would give some insight.

To get the obvious out of the way, there is SOME genetic component to this. I'm naturally high T, extroverted, and low inhib. But I think in this case the environment I grew up in played as big of a role, possibly even a bigger one. As many of you know, I was born in the 80s, and grew up in the 90s and early 2000s. Times were very different. During my formative years, most people weren't hyper-introverted and terminally online. The internet existed, but there wasn't nearly as much to do on it. There were videos online but they were few and far between. Youtube didn't exist. There wasn't this non-stop flow of video content to spend hours doomscrolling through. There weren't "streamers" for us to form parasocial relationships with. Etc.

So we made friends with other kids our age in our neighborhood. Back in my day if there was a kid within a couple years of your age within a ~5 block radius, you knew them on some personal level (even if they went to a different school), either as a friend, acquaintance, or possibly an enemy. We hung out, played basketball, football or baseball, and generally developed social skills. But zoomers today grew up terminally online. They spent their formative years getting instant gratification on the internet. There were also "third places" like malls and arcades, which are pretty much dead at this point. Not only were they good places to go just to hang out, but they were also places where people would make new friends. Many of the friends I made in the 2000s I made at the arcade playing fighting games.

Everyone didn't have their faces stuffed in their phones the entire time and talking to strangers and getting to know them (and possibly becoming friends with them) was contextually normal. All of these things led to us properly developing social skills that most of gen z never properly developed. You guys might not realize it, but the average zoomer is much closer to guys like @autistandugly than to me.

Also worth noting that most of my cold approaches were done in the mid to late 2000s. The culture was very different. The genders weren't as divided, radical feminism wasn't the default for every woman, and women weren't hysterically paranoid about men. So the cultural attitude about cold approaching was very different. Basically as long as you followed a few unspoken but well understood rules like:

1) Don't touch her
2) Don't insult her or say anything offensive
3) Don't say or allude to anything sexual
4) Know when to walk away

you weren't doing anything gravely wrong. Cold approaching as an ugly guy was still seen as somewhat bad in the sense that you were seen as "creepy", but as long as you followed those common sense rules (which I always did) you wouldn't get in trouble for the most part. The main thing you had to worry about was it turning out that woman you cold approached had a boyfriend and he was somewhere at that venue and he saw you trying to talk to her. Some jealous boyfriends would get violent, I have first-hand experience with that. But other than that, you wouldn't get "cancelled" and it wasn't considered "harassment" like it is today.

People like @autistandugly wonder how I "was able to" do it, how I "had the balls" to do it...but it's not something I ever really had to "work up the courage" to do. The only time I ever had to muster the courage to approach was my first ever approach when I was in 7th grade. But after that cold approaching and getting rejected was just normal for me. I didn't overthink it, I just did it. In fact, ultimately I had the opposite problem, I found it difficult to quit cold approaching, as strange as that may sound.

I remember when I was in high school, I had a friend who had an older brother who was clearly addicted to buying lottery tickets. He'd buy a bunch of them every paycheck. I remember asking him why he kept throwing his hard-earned money on lottery tickets when he was losing every single time. He simply said "I only need to win once". I mean, technically that's true, but he clearly wasn't going to win, and I remember just thinking he was retarded. But now I get it (I don't think I need to spell out the parallels here).

I had already tried social circle game but all of the single women in my social circles had rejected me. Online dating existed back in the mid 2000s, but it wasn't nearly as big as it is today. I probably messaged literally EVERY sub5 woman within a 10 mile radius on both okcupid and plentyoffish (on those sites you could just message women, you didn't need to match with them first). Many of my messages were custom tailored to what was in their profile, it wasn't just copy and paste. But bottom line is, at a point it felt like cold approaching was the only thing left to do. Without cold approaching, it felt like time was just passing me by.

Also just for the record, in today's hyper-introverted, unsocial, terminally online, radical feminist, low trust, paranoid world, I strongly advise against cold approaching.

I know this post will come off as boomer tier "WE WERE THE LAST GENERATION OF REAL MEN!" (or alternatively "WE WUZ EXTROVERTS N SHEET") but hopefully it gives some interesting insight for some zoomers who might not understand.

honestly makes sense, today most of young couples meet in internet, which means that things like cold approaching are much less common and arent as normalized as it used to be.
In any case I disagree with your claim that introversion is related to low T.

 

[parzival]

Great thread

 

[Shigeru Miyamoto]

All these humiliation rituals and endless theorycrafting just to still end up rejected and alone. I hate this world. I just wanted to feel loved bros.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Also any advice for a incel of this age? I mean advice about anything. I'm 23 and maybe delusional but I carry hope, so I'm still trying. The day I lose hope is the day I end it.

It's a bit difficult to give meaningfully useful advice to someone without knowing their exact situation. It's even harder for someone to give advice to someone in a completely different generation. While my coworkers are mostly around your age, I'm on the outside looking in. I'm sure your generation faces a lot of challenges I'm not even aware of.

I could write a post that gives some very general life advice, but I think it would come off as boomer tier condescending "just b urself" tier advice and probably not well received. Might do it sometime anyway.

But would you say your average incel has (or had) more of a chance of ascending than you did? You knowing average incel vs truecels type stuff.

Another pretty difficult question. Instinctively I want to say yes. My reasoning is that my main facial flaw is my super long upper maxilla giving me a giga horse face, and there's absolutely no surgery for that (the lefort surgeries don't vertically shorten the upper part of the maxilla, the part that supports the nose). So while others could surgerymax and ascend theres no surgery that could make me 5+/10.

On the other hand I realize I might be biased and I'm sure most users here would argue that they're "more truecel" than the average user. In fact a lot of users here forcefully make this argument in the strongest language possible and constantly accuse others of being "fakecel". So I'm reluctant to play the "more truecel than thou" card.

 

[kapri]

I could write a post that gives some very general life advice, but I think it would come off as boomer tier condescending "just b urself" tier advice and probably not well received. Might do it sometime anyway.

I would appreciate it anyway.
Even things unrelated to inceldom I would appreciate. Thanks anyway.

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

Also any advice for a incel of this age? I mean advice about anything. I'm 23 and maybe delusional but I carry hope, so I'm still trying.

[The following advice probably won't work if you're really an incel. These are just some things I've heard. You're said you're an LTN so this will work better for you.]

Here's what I'll say:

The number 1 thing you need to do if you want ANY chance of ascending is getting a social circle. There's many places you can do this. By being here you've pretty much got the tools to do this. If you're non-NT, you're better off in spaces where non-NT people are more concentrated (e.g. D&D communities). By having friends you're automatically seen as MUCH less of a creep than if you're alone. The jump from friend to boyfriend is still a massive one, but it's much less if you already have friends.

In the mean time, softmaxxing is important. Showers, brushing your teeth, wearing good clothes, etc.. I know it's a meme, but if you're not already doing these things, it is YOUR fault why you're incel.

If you're a NEET, try to wageslave. You want to seem like you're a lifehaver.

 

[Grodd]

i approached multiple times in high school and every single one of those was a massive failure. i eventually got bullied out of it. never again.

 

[FEMCELS FANTASY]

Brutal humiliation ritual.

Glad I had the sense to give up early on seeing how I was either a non entity at best and treated like shit at worst to women.

Not that I blame any of you for continuing if you do or did of course.

There’s always that slim chance a Hail Mary pass will work no matter how remote.

 

[kapri]

[The following advice probably won't work if you're really an incel. These are just some things I've heard. You're said you're an LTN so this will work better for you.]

Here's what I'll say:

The number 1 thing you need to do if you want ANY chance of ascending is getting a social circle. There's many places you can do this. By being here you've pretty much got the tools to do this. If you're non-NT, you're better off in spaces where non-NT people are more concentrated (e.g. D&D communities). By having friends you're automatically seen as MUCH less of a creep than if you're alone. The jump from friend to boyfriend is still a massive one, but it's much less if you already have friends.

In the mean time, softmaxxing is important. Showers, brushing your teeth, wearing good clothes, etc.. I know it's a meme, but if you're not already doing these things, it is YOUR fault why you're incel.

If you're a NEET, try to wageslave. You want to seem like you're a lifehaver.

I do actually believe I'm a mentalcel LTN, be it true or not. However things like D&D don't really exist in my country, and having a social circle is very hard for me. I've went alone to a few parties/clubs, and I've always been ignored, it was as if people knew I was alone as soon as they've seen me. This is also what happens in college on the street etc. I really struggle to form a social circle of any kind ESPECIALLY with women.

Do you have any advice on places I should go to, or any type of action I could take, as for the softmaxxing I'm fine, as for the job looking for employment rights now?

Anything that I can hear (but didn't yet) about socialising I'd appreciate, sometimes I'm too shy to even post on here, but I kinda got used to it. I'm not joking when I say I have 1 friend that I talk to and literally do nothing the whole day. I'm worse than a 2 year old autistic child when it comes to existing socially in any way.
When I was in school even the autists, nerds, freaks, etc. had their groups. I wasn't even the "weird" kid I literally didn't exist.

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

I do actually believe I'm a mentalcel LTN, be it true or not. However things like D&D don't really exist in my country, and having a social circle is very hard for me. I've went alone to a few parties/clubs, and I've always been ignored, it was as if people knew I was alone as soon as they've seen me. This is also what happens in college on the street etc. I really struggle to form a social circle of any kind ESPECIALLY with women.

Do you have any advice on places I should go to, or any type of action I could take, as for the softmaxxing I'm fine, as for the job looking for employment rights now?

Anything that I can hear (but didn't yet) about socialising I'd appreciate, sometimes I'm too shy to even post on here, but I kinda got used to it. I'm not joking when I say I have 1 friend that I talk to and literally do nothing the whole day. I'm worse than a 2 year old autistic child when it comes to existing socially in any way.
When I was in school even the autists, nerds, freaks, etc. had their groups. I wasn't even the "weird" kid I literally didn't exist.

It sounds like to me you have really crippling social anxiety. Generally my modus operandi is after I've done something once it gets better. That's the thing with social anxiety; it disappears gradually.

Where to meet people? It's better to do it when you'll be in groups with others (e.g. a pub quiz). In my area Eventbrite can be used to find social events.

For employment there's plenty of guides. Don't worry if you don't get a job. Most people are struggling.

 

[laanda]

Thats not to say looks dont play a part in this phenomenon. I'm getting into behavioral aspects that turn people and women off and some of us are just completely incapable of doing that like in my case. Until thats rectified and some it's permanent damage that we no control over ounce we get to a certain age.

Every point @Goofygoober007 made is bluepilled and people should read them. noone called him out because this is a coping space (and many agree with him)

I probably messaged literally EVERY sub5 woman within a 10 mile radius on both okcupid and plentyoffish

What's your definition of a sub5 women? thats very subjective

sounds familiar

also are you fat creepy looking or skinny and nerdy awkward looking?

Yes that would defiantly play part then I was under the assumption that you were fat. How old were you when you were doing that?

The incel forum slowly losing the battle to keep out bluepillers, all because of the 'im the bigger incel, my problems are worse' cope. You are bluepilled.

>Implying that inceldom is the result of "estrogen dominant behavior" as opposed to looks

Your response to this was to avoid the question. You didn't engage with this, you said 'That's not to say looks don't play a part in this phenomenon'

Do you or do you not think that being very ugly is enough to make someone an incel?
No 'while I don't mean to downplay it...' politician speech. I genuinely think if you agree, you have no point against @Ryo_Hazuki.

Neither him or I are denying the impact of genetic factors outside of looks. The blackpill though, contains the idea that you can just be so ugly that your personality or T don't matter. I think that doesn't sit well with people because they have placed false value on having a worse hand even though it doesnt matter and in the process, are denying reality about looks, as bluepillers.

He might make you mad because he has things you don't, that is fine. I don't like these kinds of posts and he has a history of making them. But he didn't challenge the importance of other genetic factors. You are the one who is attacking raw ugliness as 'not bad enough'. 'He was just awkward, he must be fat, he must be creepy, he didn't approach sub 5s he's wrong when he says he did'. That is denying the blackpill. It makes me hate people more that if someone has another problem, they go 'that isn't about me though, so I don't care about the idea behind the fucking forum, and being alone because you are extremely ugly isn't that bad'. Fuck off, the life is terrible. If his life is terrible from the same lack of love you've had, then respect him, instead of forming your pointless beliefs around whatever aggrandizes you the most. It's making a game out of hell.

Even worse, your ideas about what he failed to do, are things he described doing in his post. I hate bluepillers because they are coping and you are too. You give a prediction, confidently, for what he fucked up and it's a guess that you couldn't even make if you actually read the post.

The way you do it too matters bro you cant be acting like the way a good looking chad does its circumstancle. Give an example theres guy in my NA thats musclar biker looking dude he can get away with charming, kissing/tickling type flirting thats not something I can do thats would immediately result in a sexual harassment charge and that would be unhealthy behavior because im not good looking I tried it kinda and went horribly wrong.

Striking a normal conversation with those sub5 chick's and if your orge looking truly orge looking would be the way to start,

your being awkward is what I supect was going on.

1) Don't touch her 2) Don't insult her or say anything offensive 3) Don't say or allude to anything sexual 4) Know when to walk away

As long as you followed those common sense rules (which I always did) you wouldn't get in trouble for the most part.

Read the fucking post.

You're so self obsessed that you can't read a post about pure looks ruining someone, because the post is not about you. They have to have your problems, or they aren't an incel, to the point where you'll be the bluepiller in a post about looks ruining someones chances.

Fucking forums man, it always just goes around and around in one upping. Everyone born on the internet is an egotist. It's the problem with this site and has been for years.

 

[rcnfive]

I'm naturally high T, extroverted, and low inhib.

mogs me.

but anyways i think we are probably similarly aged oldcels. unfortunately for me though i was too much of a pussy to try. i've always been subhuman but at least things weren't AS bad back then.

 

[Pikacel]

My peers seem normal. I’m just a social reject as @superpsycho said. Over time I think 14-15 I stopped trying to socialise as much. Also I never really ‘linked up’ often outside of school. Actually approaching girls would require another level of delusion considering how they interact with me in regular social situations. It’s like the school autist confessing to some girl who occasionally pities him

 

[Ibrahim997]

Yeh, actually Zoomers born 97-03 can relate.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Every point @Goofygoober007 made is bluepilled and people should read them. noone called him out because this is a coping space (and many agree with him)



sounds familiar

The incel forum slowly losing the battle to keep out bluepillers, all because of the 'im the bigger incel, my problems are worse' cope. You are bluepilled.

Your response to this was to avoid the question. You didn't engage with this, you said 'That's not to say looks don't play a part in this phenomenon'

Do you or do you not think that being very ugly is enough to make someone an incel?
No 'while I don't mean to downplay it...' politician speech. I genuinely think if you agree, you have no point against @Ryo_Hazuki.

Neither him or I are denying the impact of genetic factors outside of looks. The blackpill though, contains the idea that you can just be so ugly that your personality or T don't matter. I think that doesn't sit well with people because they have placed false value on having a worse hand even though it doesnt matter and in the process, are denying reality about looks, as bluepillers.

He might make you mad because he has things you don't, that is fine. I don't like these kinds of posts and he has a history of making them. But he didn't challenge the importance of other genetic factors. You are the one who is attacking raw ugliness as 'not bad enough'. 'He was just awkward, he must be fat, he must be creepy, he didn't approach sub 5s he's wrong when he says he did'. That is denying the blackpill. It makes me hate people more that if someone has another problem, they go 'that isn't about me though, so I don't care about the idea behind the fucking forum, and being alone because you are extremely ugly isn't that bad'. Fuck off, the life is terrible. If his life is terrible from the same lack of love you've had, then respect him, instead of forming your pointless beliefs around whatever aggrandizes you the most. It's making a game out of hell.

Even worse, your ideas about what he failed to do, are things he described doing in his post. I hate bluepillers because they are coping and you are too. You give a prediction, confidently, for what he fucked up and it's a guess that you couldn't even make if you actually read the post.



Read the fucking post.

You're so self obsessed that you can't read a post about pure looks ruining someone, because the post is not about you. They have to have your problems, or they aren't an incel, to the point where you'll be the bluepiller in a post about looks ruining someones chances.

Fucking forums man, it always just goes around and around in one upping. Everyone born on the internet is an egotist. It's the problem with this site and has been for years.

Very high IQ and based reply. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) you won't be getting any rebuttal from @Goofygoober007 as he was permabanned by another mod for unrelated reasons.

But yeah, it's clear he was blue/redpilled based on many of the assumptions he made, which he wouldn't have made had he even read the OP post. He seemed to only make it up to the third sentence where I said, "I'm naturally high T, extroverted, and low inhib" stopped reading there, and his post was just an emotional, kneejerk reaction to that one part. Judging from some of the other replies ITT, he's clearly not the only one who did this. Some people just really can't accept you can be incel purely due to being ugly, regardless of NT/social skills/extroversion/T levels etc. even on a supposedly blackpilled incel forum...

Also even after I clearly explained my situation to Goofygoober007, while he sort of conceded I'm incel because of my face he said:

Yeah ounce you get to certain age bone structure in the face cant be help and some people there parents are so defianct in minerals and toxic in metals its even to late for them.

Even when acknowledging I'm incel due to my face, he implies it was due to environmental or malnutrition reasons. Some people just can't accept that your facial features and bone structure are the result of genetics. Next they'll be claiming "if your parents ate blueberries your eyes would be blue" or "if you grew up eating sushi and rice you'd look Japanese despite not being east asian". Then again a lot of these guys are raw meat copers, so they probably think rice and blueberries are "toxic" and that eating raw meat will make you a chad.

The incel forum slowly losing the battle to keep out bluepillers, all because of the 'im the bigger incel, my problems are worse' cope. You are bluepilled.

Good point, but I would say there were points in this forum's history where things were worse than they are now. 2022-2023 was probably the worst time period. That's when you had turbo autist bluepillers shilling for blatantly subversive theories like "oofy doofy" (as in the HBTDL interpretation which is that women are attracted to these guys). One of the reasons I came back as a mod (my first "term" as a mod was 2017-2020) was to prevent this forum from ever getting that bad again.

You seem pretty high IQ and blackpilled. If you see any bluepilled posts, report them. Or better yet, send me a PM.

 

[svgmn1]

Every point @Goofygoober007 made is bluepilled and people should read them. noone called him out because this is a coping space (and many agree with him)



sounds familiar

The incel forum slowly losing the battle to keep out bluepillers, all because of the 'im the bigger incel, my problems are worse' cope. You are bluepilled.

Your response to this was to avoid the question. You didn't engage with this, you said 'That's not to say looks don't play a part in this phenomenon'

Do you or do you not think that being very ugly is enough to make someone an incel?
No 'while I don't mean to downplay it...' politician speech. I genuinely think if you agree, you have no point against @Ryo_Hazuki.

Neither him or I are denying the impact of genetic factors outside of looks. The blackpill though, contains the idea that you can just be so ugly that your personality or T don't matter. I think that doesn't sit well with people because they have placed false value on having a worse hand even though it doesnt matter and in the process, are denying reality about looks, as bluepillers.

He might make you mad because he has things you don't, that is fine. I don't like these kinds of posts and he has a history of making them. But he didn't challenge the importance of other genetic factors. You are the one who is attacking raw ugliness as 'not bad enough'. 'He was just awkward, he must be fat, he must be creepy, he didn't approach sub 5s he's wrong when he says he did'. That is denying the blackpill. It makes me hate people more that if someone has another problem, they go 'that isn't about me though, so I don't care about the idea behind the fucking forum, and being alone because you are extremely ugly isn't that bad'. Fuck off, the life is terrible. If his life is terrible from the same lack of love you've had, then respect him, instead of forming your pointless beliefs around whatever aggrandizes you the most. It's making a game out of hell.

Even worse, your ideas about what he failed to do, are things he described doing in his post. I hate bluepillers because they are coping and you are too. You give a prediction, confidently, for what he fucked up and it's a guess that you couldn't even make if you actually read the post.



Read the fucking post.

You're so self obsessed that you can't read a post about pure looks ruining someone, because the post is not about you. They have to have your problems, or they aren't an incel, to the point where you'll be the bluepiller in a post about looks ruining someones chances.

Fucking forums man, it always just goes around and around in one upping. Everyone born on the internet is an egotist. It's the problem with this site and has been for years.

another gem by laanda

 

[fatass30000]

I don’t like the idea that “gen z doesn’t know how to socialise because they spent all their time on their phones while growing up”. Maybe it’s because i live in a different country and the culture is different here but 90% of gen z i see here have fine social skills. And the other 10% are literal autists who won’t be able to improve their social skills no matter what. Imo It’s more of an american thing than a gen z thing.

Also due to me being bullied and isolated by the other kids, i was barely able to socialise with anyone. I basically spent the majority of my time playing videogames and watching youtube videos. And despite that my social skills are still somewhat decent. But tbf i did work customer service and also paid attention to the way others interact with each other so that helped. And i have no problem approaching women either despite growing up sheltered. Imo genetics play a bigger role than environment, either you have it or you don’t. If someone is born with 160 iq, even if he gets raised by retards he will still be a genius. If someone is born with a 100 iq, if he’s raised by retards then he will lean into the side of the retards. Environment only affects the people who are completely average to below average.

 

[fatass30000]

All the experiences of the older incels like you and those your age are also part of the explanation to why younger incels don't ask out random girls as much as you did.

In the mid-to-late 2000s, I don't think there was many bp content available. Redpill or PUA shit maybe? You guys had to rely on basically nothing in terms of relevant and useful bp advice, and cold-approaching was the main, if not at times the only way to actually talk to a girl you were interested in. (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm technically an early zoomer, I started to get interested in "how to pick up a girl" stuff around maybe 2016, and discovered the bp in 2020. At that point, there were already plenty of content and experiments on the internet (blackpilled and not blackpilled) I could refer to and learn from, notably the experiences of older guys, 5 or 10 years older, if not older.

If we (guys my age) did the exact same thing of cold-approaching girls all the time, if we approached the exact same way and did the exact same mistakes, it would just prove that the younger generations didn't learn anything.

While imo it's the opposite, I think many learned about the previous experiences of older incels, even subconsciously. We saw what you guys did, we took conclusions from those experiences and tried to learn from you and not do the same mistakes.

As you said, cold-approaching a foid nowadays can have way too many bad consequences for your reputation (being called out, pictures taken of you and published on social media), or threaten directly your physical integrity if she's armed, if she has a bf or if there are cucks wanting to defend her.

I did a couple face-to-face cold approaches (first one was a classmate I didn't have any other way to contact, the other was at a nightclub), but most of the times I asked out a girl were through social media or text messages. This is helpful for introverted incels like me who are too shy to confess their feelings face-to-face, but it also has the side effect that several other guys might have the same idea than you...

i personally agree with learning from other people’s mistakes, but i would still say that it’s important for every incel to try a few cold approaches and to looksmax. A lot of people here never even tried so can you even say that they’re incel? I can accept people who got severely bullied never trying cold approaching but a lot of people here led completely normal lives. They were never made fun of for their looks and they’re assuming they’re ugly just because they don’t have 5 giga stacy’s kissing their feet.

 

[Zionist]

Great post Unc, very insightful and thoughtful.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

i personally agree with learning from other people’s mistakes, but i would still say that it’s important for every incel to try a few cold approaches and to looksmax. A lot of people here never even tried so can you even say that they’re incel? I can accept people who got severely bullied never trying cold approaching but a lot of people here led completely normal lives. They were never made fun of for their looks and they’re assuming they’re ugly just because they don’t have 5 giga stacy’s kissing their feet.

I agree that if you never tried anything at least once you can't consider yourself incel

But there's a balance to find imo between asking out hundreds or thousands of strangers, and not trying anything at all

 

[fatass30000]

But there's a balance to find imo between asking out hundreds or thousands of strangers, and not trying anything at all

yeah asking hundreds of people is ridiculous, you have to put the flag down at some point. If you have asked a few people out and people treat you with disdain due to your looks (the most important imo), then you’re incel.