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I've had this question about how beginners start games that have already been around for so long and start competing, or getting good.
Take a look at fighting games. Tekken, Street Fighter, King of Fighters. All these games have been for 10+ years. It's possible to find beginners, of course, but there's more people who know how to play the game than there are beginners. Also, that super cool tech that took you months to learn? Congratulations, that is something considered basic among the respective game. After years of grinding, you're now an average player.
The only "fighting game" (more a platform game), I had a lot of luck on was in Smash. It took me 3 years to get in elite smash, which is supposed to be the "best of the best". Elite smash is just the minimum though, if you go to a local, everyone will be elite smash and probably the highest gsp (which is the ranking system). I haven't even achieved it yet, even though I have been playing for years now.
Also, FPS games, these have been around for at least DECADES. As someone who didn't really grow up with these and wanting to learn, it's almost impssobile because even someones grandma is better than me at it. I just, don't understand at all..
 
I would only play competetively if I get paid and paid well.

I was considering PUBG but that game is so shit.

It puts me of astetically, which is why I cannot bring myself to play it.

I used to play it and was very good, no doubt. I have potential, but I hate how it looks, tbh.
 
That's why I only play solo games and only with my friends and family
 
The same way you compete with Chad on the dating market

you don’t
 
That's what happens to most people playing games that have been out for a long time. They usually just get stuck in the same lobbies fighting the same people at their rank over and over again since if they compete at a higher rank, they just get shit on by no lifers that have been playing exponentially longer than them.
 
brutal thread tbh

I wrote about game experience and the factors surrounding it prior to this thread, I even explained in other threads before how genetics ironically have a huge deal of importance even in gaming skill level, this thread gives me motivation to write about the topic of gaming experience, but I already exhausted most of my writing, thinking and reasoning abilities shitting on steam after what they done the past two days.

I will try to write as much as I can and convey the essence of arguments I hold for this topic:


Also, FPS games, these have been around for at least DECADES. As someone who didn't really grow up with these and wanting to learn, it's almost impssobile because even someones grandma is better than me at it. I just, don't understand at all..

That's what happens to most people playing games that have been out for a long time. They usually just get stuck in the same lobbies fighting the same people at their rank over and over again since if they compete at a higher rank, they just get shit on by no lifers that have been playing exponentially longer than them.


Let's start with this idea and I want anyone who read this to read this with reason: I think gamercels who are quick to call someone a normie purely based on the level of difficulty one plays with or difficulty of the games he plays are misguided, while it is true that normies by nature tend to admire slop and easier games, most of the time this unwritten rule means nothing as I'll demonstrate:

(this is a call-forward):

For games (not just "modern" games, but games spanning all the way back to two decades ago) playing them became exactly like applying for a job....

It is the perfect analogy taken from our modern lives, for a good job, you need a good cv, what a good cv is based on is years of experience.

To be able to play these games to a degree that renders the overall experience enjoyable*¹ one should atleast be confident or familiar with the tricks or general level of difficulty they have, this is one of the reasons why new gamers choose to hide behind the shroud of "modern gaming = slop" as they see others reiterating such statement and they do so, but they don't do this for the same reasons, they don't necessarily share the same opinions regarding games, they're doing it because they aren't compatible with these games.


For us deathnicels and 3rd worlders or those who were unfortunately born and raised in broke families like a great portion of incels here, gaming was a luxury it wasn't readily available for us, I witnessed kids in elementary playing on premium built pcs in a state of civil war, playing major titles from that era, while my parents could barely afford me a cheap replica of atari/nes consoles, those were my first gaming experiences and I was 10 years old, only when I reached the age of 15 they made me upgrade to a sega genesis.... I'm not saying I didn't have enjoyable experience with those two consoles but seeing how everyone else was ahead of me, shit like this breaks your will so hard and at that early age it castrates you will to game.

Once you grow and decide to build a pc or use any pc for the first time and decide to play online games and such, you'll find how far you are cut from the rest.
This is a common cope among those who want to rehabilitate themselves to gaming, they often think their past experiences hold value, that it will make them more comfortable and scale well among titles, but in reality it doesn't mean shit.
let us call such people "psuedo-gamercels"

The brutal blackpill that will hit those "pseudo-gamers" who aren't really new, take someone who considers himself a "polymath" regarding gaming,
is:

Most normies game better than you. matter of fact even chads are, even foids are participating in streaming and pro/ranked gaming and constantly dunk on people like you every single day.
even zoomers 10 years ago who jumped on games you view as "modernslop" like fortnite, actually have more skills than our pseudo-gamercel.


this is mainly because:

1-playtime matters way more than overall experience to build skills.
2-continuinty also matters more than overall knowledge and experience, and those zoomers have been playing nonstop for 10 years, what was someone like you and me doing these past years in comparison?

If you take one of those people I described and gave him your gaming pc, then gave him the task to play a respected title, say like elden ring, how long do you think he'll play the game before ragequitting or downloading a cheat table? the answer may surprise you, and it's even darker once you start to think about how absurdly common a game like elden ring is, literal jeets in the slums of india have platted this game, well I can't say much, but I can talk about people in my country, I'd say even zoomers in remote areas and provinces in the mid east arab shithole I live in have platted this game and constantly boast about it in soycial media like tiktok. who's the real normie here? is it us or the zoomers on tiktok? it gets muddied and conflated and like I said, meaningless.


The next route would be to think that single player games will probide a safe haven to salvage whatever rust is left in your soul and you would end up shocked how deluded and gullible you are (this is a callback to games being more similar to job applications) you would find that series of available single player games that are respected, recommended and revered by the actual gamercels are really really difficult because you never were familiar with the style or the genre of the game you chose to install, your next option would be to start from the very beginning, right at the first installment of the series of whatever title you chose to play, you spend unfathomable amount of time to get familiar with the game and you're spending time not enjoying it here because it makes you aware and insecure of your inferioirity, by the time you master the previous installments you find out that it was just one game, one game one title, there are many many series like this that your peers have already played and explored, many other games and newer installments that are more difficult as well.


Why would they be more difficult? because it caters to gamercels who grinded for this game, it doesn't necessarily cater to a newcomer, these people who played the game before you, they don't want the same challenges or the same level of challenges, they want new ones because: *

I'm not blaming it on gamercels like @TooSomething on the contrary, I think they're completely justified to ask for more, if I got used to a certain game then found out that the new installment of it was cheesed I would spit at the monitor and never bother to play anything from them again lol

This is the main reason why you see so many "normies" who recently built pc constantly complain about this pseudo-state of depression, lots of people I know irl have told me this, often hearing them saying "modern gaming is the issue" but once you corner them and tell them that their excuse is weak and contradictory, since you can't bathe older games with your favoring and not indulge in playing a great portion of them only then they'll spill more of it unconsciously, they would tell you "there is nothing left to play" and you're right bro, there IS nothing left to play, There is nothing left to play for you :blackpill:

you wasted your money consooming to build a pc, you told yourself "no I cannot be a bum, it's impossible! I know more about gaming then all these foids, chads, normies or zoomers who are currently playing sloppy games, I am different....I hate those sloppy games and never found them interesting! I must be better"
The reality hits and your past "knowledge or skills" mean absolutely nothing, you and a child or a retired boomer who just built a pc and started to play games are factually on the same skill level

(there are outliers of course, we're not talking about them, we're talking about our psuedo-gamercel buddy and those who are currently facing the same issues)

it is what it is, you have spent possibly thousands of dollars (considering the current shitty state of the market) to build the premium ultra deluxe web browsing and youtube vid wathcing machine......


The bottom line is, incels who find themselves with unrecoverable"skill issues" (I take no offense from this and I admit, you can throw it at me or the op as much as you can, it's understandable) aren't necessarily brainwired like a normie, they were just late. late to be part of this or partake in it or experience it the optimal way, I'm may or may not excusing myself here.




*....playing has to be winning and losing, with various degrees yes, but with the absolute absence of any of them, you're wasting your time. gamercels aren't ready for the argument and would hate to read this but if you think objectively from pure logical perspective: games that makes you can't win all the time and indefinitely should be as annoying as games that make you win all the time.


Take this scenario for a good demonstration of this effect: Consider that you are in a gaming team/group of three buds, If you and your gamercel buddies were enjoying a game and wanted some buddy of yours to join your team, he was reluctant, contemplating the skills he has but you and your buddies assured him that the group is just playing for fun, our pal joined your team but he's so unfortunately unskilled that he can't progress to your guys level, he will find it underwhelmjng how he is far away from your guys levels and blames himself (even if he tries to mask it) before your team does start to notice or blame him.


After that your team will be annoyed of him, how much patience would your team have for him? a day? a week? a month? at one point, your team will notice that the new teammate is adding or nothing of value to the team as he constantly plays and loses, some of you will blame him for ruining the teams experience, your initial promises of "playing for fun" will eventually wear off, you will actually bully the poor guy unknowingly or unconsciously, sometimes knowingly even, the poor guy will just quit playing with your team or quit the game altogether.

This concludes that all three of you were wrong and the buddy with "skill issue" was the one who's right all along, his instincts were the blackpill that he didn't swallow since your trials of convincing him to join made him cope and believe he can be one of you, thus recursively proving the point of this footer as well: that gaming has to be win and lose for it to be enjoyable.


This happens irl, it happens all the time for every online game you can think of, it happened to me, even worse I made it happen against others too so I don't declare myself innocent or exclude myself in this regard. it is the a.b.cs of human behavior and nature, you stick with people who are similar to you.
 
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no, just quit, it's much better.
accept that something isn't just cut for you from the beginning, just like experiencing sex with a foid will never be :feelsbadman:
hacking a single player game is fine, you're doing it for yourself alone, aiming to explore the game partially or completely, if you don't talk about it no one would end up knowing or saying anything, hacking a multiplayer game is the equivalent of jestermaxxing or other pointless copes, you're wasting your time getting banned or kicked then making your way through it, people on your team don't want to be on your side, you keep creating multiple accounts, even worse the hack itself plaguing your game experience, nothing is left as a challnege besides hvh matches which are pointless, because the whole idea of multiplayer is putting your skills to test against others.
 
Whatever game it is there is 12 year old prodigy top 10 pro anyways
 
brutal thread tbh

I wrote about game experience and the factors surrounding it prior to this thread, I even explained in other threads before how genetics ironically have a huge deal of importance even in gaming skill level, this thread gives me motivation to write about the topic of gaming experience, but I already exhausted most of my writing, thinking and reasoning abilities shitting on steam after what they done the past two days.

I will try to write as much as I can and convey the essence of arguments I hold for this topic:







Let's start with this idea and I want anyone who read this to read this with reason: I think gamercels who are quick to call someone a normie purely based on the level of difficulty one plays with or difficulty of the games he plays are misguided, while it is true that normies by nature tend to admire slop and easier games, most of the time this unwritten rule means nothing as I'll demonstrate:

(this is a call-forward):

For games (not just "modern" games, but games spanning all the way back to two decades ago) playing them became exactly like applying for a job....

It is the perfect analogy taken from our modern lives, for a good job, you need a good cv, what a good cv is based on is years of experience.

To be able to play these games to a degree that renders the overall experience enjoyable*¹ one should atleast be confident or familiar with the tricks or general level of difficulty they have, this is one of the reasons why new gamers choose to hide behind the shroud of "modern gaming = slop" as they see others reiterating such statement and they do so, but they don't do this for the same reasons, they don't necessarily share the same opinions regarding games, they're doing it because they aren't compatible with these games.


For us deathnicels and 3rd worlders or those who were unfortunately born and raised in broke families like a great portion of incels here, gaming was a luxury it wasn't readily available for us, I witnessed kids in elementary playing on premium built pcs in a state of civil war, playing major titles from that era, while my parents could barely afford me a cheap replica of atari/nes consoles, those were my first gaming experiences and I was 10 years old, only when I reached the age of 15 they made me upgrade to a sega genesis.... I'm not saying I didn't have enjoyable experience with those two consoles but seeing how everyone else was ahead of me, shit like this breaks your will so hard and at that early age it castrates you will to game.

Once you grow and decide to build a pc or use any pc for the first time and decide to play online games and such, you'll find how far you are cut from the rest.
This is a common cope among those who want to rehabilitate themselves to gaming, they often think their past experiences hold value, that it will make them more comfortable and scale well among titles, but in reality it doesn't mean shit.
let us call such people "psuedo-gamercels"

The brutal blackpill that will hit those "pseudo-gamers" who aren't really new, take someone who considers himself a "polymath" regarding gaming,
is:

Most normies game better than you. matter of fact even chads are, even foids are participating in streaming and pro/ranked gaming and constantly dunk on people like you every single day.
even zoomers 10 years ago who jumped on games you view as "modernslop" like fortnite, actually have more skills than our pseudo-gamercel.


this is mainly because:

1-playtime matters way more than overall experience to build skills.
2-continuinty also matters more than overall knowledge and experience, and those zoomers have been playing nonstop for 10 years, what was someone like you and me doing these past years in comparison?

If you take one of those people I described and gave him your gaming pc, then gave him the task to play a respected title, say like elden ring, how long do you think he'll play the game before ragequitting or downloading a cheat table? the answer may surprise you, and it's even darker once you start to think about how absurdly common a game like elden ring is, literal jeets in the slums of india have platted this game, well I can't say much, but I can talk about people in my country, I'd say even zoomers in remote areas and provinces in the mid east arab shithole I live in have platted this game and constantly boast about it in soycial media like tiktok. who's the real normie here? is it us or the zoomers on tiktok? it gets muddied and conflated and like I said, meaningless.


The next route would be to think that single player games will probide a safe haven to salvage whatever rust is left in your soul and you would end up shocked how deluded and gullible you are (this is a callback to games being more similar to job applications) you would find that series of available single player games that are respected, recommended and revered by the actual gamercels are really really difficult because you never were familiar with the style or the genre of the game you chose to install, your next option would be to start from the very beginning, right at the first installment of the series of whatever title you chose to play, you spend unfathomable amount of time to get familiar with the game and you're spending time not enjoying it here because it makes you aware and insecure of your inferioirity, by the time you master the previous installments you find out that it was just one game, one game one title, there are many many series like this that your peers have already played and explored, many other games and newer installments that are more difficult as well.


Why would they be more difficult? because it caters to gamercels who grinded for this game, it doesn't necessarily cater to a newcomer, these people who played the game before you, they don't want the same challenges or the same level of challenges, they want new ones because: *

I'm not blaming it on gamercels like @TooSomething on the contrary, I think they're completely justified to ask for more, if I got used to a certain game then found out that the new installment of it was cheesed I would spit at the monitor and never bother to play anything from them again lol

This is the main reason why you see so many "normies" who recently built pc constantly complain about this pseudo-state of depression, lots of people I know irl have told me this, often hearing them saying "modern gaming is the issue" but once you corner them and tell them that their excuse is weak and contradictory, since you can't bathe older games with your favoring and not indulge in playing a great portion of them only then they'll spill more of it unconsciously, they would tell you "there is nothing left to play" and you're right bro, there IS nothing left to play, There is nothing left to play for you :blackpill:

you wasted your money consooming to build a pc, you told yourself "no I cannot be a bum, it's impossible! I know more about gaming then all these foids, chads, normies or zoomers who are currently playing sloppy games, I am different....I hate those sloppy games and never found them interesting! I must be better"
The reality hits and your past "knowledge or skills" mean absolutely nothing, you and a child or a retired boomer who just built a pc and started to play games are factually on the same skill level

(there are outliers of course, we're not talking about them, we're talking about our psuedo-gamercel buddy and those who are currently facing the same issues)

it is what it is, you have spent possibly thousands of dollars (considering the current shitty state of the market) to build the premium ultra deluxe web browsing and youtube vid wathcing machine......


The bottom line is, incels who find themselves with unrecoverable"skill issues" (I take no offense from this and I admit, you can throw it at me or the op as much as you can, it's understandable) aren't necessarily brainwired like a normie, they were just late. late to be part of this or partake in it or experience it the optimal way, I'm may or may not excusing myself here.




*....playing has to be winning and losing, with various degrees yes, but with the absolute absence of any of them, you're wasting your time. gamercels aren't ready for the argument and would hate to read this but if you think objectively from pure logical perspective: games that makes you can't win all the time and indefinitely should be as annoying as games that make you win all the time.


Take this scenario for a good demonstration of this effect: Consider that you are in a gaming team/group of three buds, If you and your gamercel buddies were enjoying a game and wanted some buddy of yours to join your team, he was reluctant, contemplating the skills he has but you and your buddies assured him that the group is just playing for fun, our pal joined your team but he's so unfortunately unskilled that he can't progress to your guys level, he will find it underwhelmjng how he is far away from your guys levels and blames himself (even if he tries to mask it) before your team does start to notice or blame him.


After that your team will be annoyed of him, how much patience would your team have for him? a day? a week? a month? at one point, your team will notice that the new teammate is adding or nothing of value to the team as he constantly plays and loses, some of you will blame him for ruining the teams experience, your initial promises of "playing for fun" will eventually wear off, you will actually bully the poor guy unknowingly or unconsciously, sometimes knowingly even, the poor guy will just quit playing with your team or quit the game altogether.

This concludes that all three of you were wrong and the buddy with "skill issue" was the one who's right all along, his instincts were the blackpill that he didn't swallow since your trials of convincing him to join made him cope and believe he can be one of you, thus recursively proving the point of this footer as well: that gaming has to be win and lose for it to be enjoyable.


This happens irl, it happens all the time for every online game you can think of, it happened to me, even worse I made it happen against others too so I don't declare myself innocent or exclude myself in this regard. it is the a.b.cs of human behavior and nature, you stick with people who are similar to you.
It's a little bit hard to stick with people who are similar in your skill level, when sometimes there isn't even enough.
But then I ask myself, if someone have 10 years of playtime on a game, is there even a possibility to catch up to their level? To be as good as them? It really is too late, that is it? Nothing could be done?
 
I do, I use ESP and that is it, anything else and I feel like the machine is taking over the game for me, but esp only gives a slight advantage, I did a comparison between games I win with esp and games without, games without 55% and games with 70%, I perform really well, but the moment an actual good player comes I am outshun so bad it sucks
 
It's a little bit hard to stick with people who are similar in your skill level, when sometimes there isn't even enough.
But then I ask myself, if someone have 10 years of playtime on a game, is there even a possibility to catch up to their level? To be as good as them? It really is too late, that is it? Nothing could be done?
yes, it is too late, that's the tl;dr of it.
I think the last chance someone could have gone into pc/last gen console gaming, enjoy and build skills was around the release date of the ps2. if you missed out the chance to buy a ps2 or build a pc at that time or did but didn't play online all the way to the current day, it was already over for you and as you mentioned it's becoming increasingly hard to find people your skill level, you'll be stuck rotting at the lower ranks without progress (progress being the wins here)

Reminds me of one young normie I know, he mogs everyone I know irl in terms of skills, he spent his entire life gaming....fps, arena, rpg everything, he wanted to reach pro but always failed, that is because he was just 19 yo (he's 21 now) and instead of focusing on just one game, he played almost everything because he wanted joy, you simply can't do that anymore, he was just very very late to do that, had he was 10 years older with the same abilities, he would've cheesed his way to the top atleats in a couple of games.
and that guy is gifted as fuck, people like us are basically fucking ants with persihed hopes of enjoying any respected title rn.
 
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I wrote about game experience and the factors surrounding it prior to this thread, I even explained in other threads before how genetics ironically have a huge deal of importance even in gaming skill level, this thread gives me motivation to write about the topic of gaming experience, but I already exhausted most of my writing, thinking and reasoning abilities shitting on steam after what they done the past two days.
Could you please send me that thread? I'd like to read what happened to steam.
Most normies game better than you. matter of fact even chads are, even foids are participating in streaming and pro/ranked gaming and constantly dunk on people like you every single day.
even zoomers 10 years ago who jumped on games you view as "modernslop" like fortnite, actually have more skills than our pseudo-gamercel.
Brutal and the truth.
 
Could you please send me that thread? I'd like to read what happened to steam.
its just me ranting pure hatred against steam for their latest move (bumped the price of the deck by 300 bucks)
doesn't matter since they sold them out at the new pricetag already :feelshaha:
 
I've had this question about how beginners start games that have already been around for so long and start competing, or getting good.
Take a look at fighting games. Tekken, Street Fighter, King of Fighters. All these games have been for 10+ years. It's possible to find beginners, of course, but there's more people who know how to play the game than there are beginners. Also, that super cool tech that took you months to learn? Congratulations, that is something considered basic among the respective game. After years of grinding, you're now an average player.
The only "fighting game" (more a platform game), I had a lot of luck on was in Smash. It took me 3 years to get in elite smash, which is supposed to be the "best of the best". Elite smash is just the minimum though, if you go to a local, everyone will be elite smash and probably the highest gsp (which is the ranking system). I haven't even achieved it yet, even though I have been playing for years now.
Also, FPS games, these have been around for at least DECADES. As someone who didn't really grow up with these and wanting to learn, it's almost impssobile because even someone’s grandma is better than me at it. I just, don't understand at all..
Experience/time played doesn’t always correlate to skill. There people who’ve played for weeks who are better than people who’ve played for months
 
Either grind the game for more hours a day than they play a week or hack, hacking is fun
 
Experience/time played doesn’t always correlate to skill. There people who’ve played for weeks who are better than people who’ve played for months
I know, but that is very rare
 
Hacking is based and justified for this very reason: you'll never fit into nt spaces naturally anyways, so why not just raid their shit (they'll already raid your spaces anyways, given the chance) and fuck shit up for dopamine spikes?
 
You fucking grind, if you have no friends you grind with 100 times more effort. You also play for atleast 10 hours a day. Basically the game beco.es your fulltime job. After, you'll have shit to show for it, other than being good at some shirt6 videogame that no one, not even yourself cares about. Play for fun.
 
You need to have the right guinetics
 

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