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misogyny and foid worship are simillar

In both women have full control over man's life

Key to freedom is being self-centered and doing androcentric activities like martial arts
Studying philosophy
Basically to mog in intellect and strength
And to meet with other androcentric moggers and not gynocentric soys

Going to escorts is fucked as a subhuman
and you'll end up developing feelings for one like @IncelKing and countless others
Also the price compared to service quality is cucked in the west
But a Man needs to coom
Best to do it without porn
And only do it when you really need to

Celibacy is bad because its born of an unhealthy obsession
But if you dont think about cumming for long periods and can just go about life
Then that's freedom
 
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Idk mane, I can't see myself ever worshipping foids again, my hatred runs too deep
 
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I’ve tried not being misogynistic, but foids and retarded simps constantly push me back in:feelsree:
 
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Based and giveuppilled:feelsLSD::feelsLSD:
 
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Key to freedom is being self-centered and doing androcentric activities like martial arts
Studying philosophy
Basically to mog in intellect and strength
And to meet with other androcentric moggers and not gynocentric soys
Unfortunately those are ideas presented and promoted by redpillers and has been dunked on by the blackpill long ago, they are neither based on facts nor based on philosophy. they tend to be more on the fake intellect side.


we aren't asexual organisms. we cannot be androcentric as long as we have sexual drive since in your species, females are the sexual selectors, not males, thus gynocentrism and foid favoring will always happen, and androcentrism will always be a mutual exception.


"mogging eachother" the entire concept of mogging and having an alpha male is to afford the females of the pack only for yourself.
having sex and procreating is also one of the main innate goals of humans. If you see a chance to abort or sacrifice something minor to ascend and ignore it because of androcentrism it will basically make you both a fakecel and a lowiq, that is what redpill androcentrists basically tell you because eventually foids will find their way towards you as they preach, they confuse social structure with genetics and nature as always and interwind this view with their old prime age of a male according to them because "men aging like fine wine" and both are based on fallacies and lies :feelsclown:


other things mentioned like highiq and strength are just mainly status or thought of as arbitrary ways to cope in a modern society, no more no less. chad doesn't need a very highiq, most chads are actually just slightly above average on the bell curve, chad doesn't need an immense strength either, in a modern society, chad only needs one thing: genetics.

what about an incel?
iqmaxxing will only bring you more awareness and suffering.
strengthmaxxing will only waste your time as it will appeal to the male gaze and impress your own gender more than the other one.
neither of them will make you ascend as an incel, ironically escortmaxxing is the only thing you mentioned that could. things that can't help you ascend should be taken with less seriousness than things that can (looksmaxxing and escorts) since your main issue as an incel is celibacy. it's literally in your name. it is what it is and you must face it one day. Note that I am not telling you to give up completely and rot because there's no way to self improve, there is: looksmaxxing.

and although I am an avid critique of escortmaxxing for obvious reasons (like low quality) the lower quality of escortmaxxing is not something you can afford to villainize hoemaxxing to and except it as a choice esp. when taking your male smv which should be non existent as an incel and your celibacy which is a heavier boulder to push into account. your looksmatch ofcourse has more smv than you, you can blame it gynocentrism or foid worship but in reality this behavior is bound to happen with your species, just a non direct consequence of the past and the same goes for modern society :feelscomfy:


Just don't believe what copemaximus simposium or other lowiq redpillers tell you because it is baseless. copemaximus pays to huff foid used panties and fucks dollar store escorts while telling you "androcentrism is key" :what:
 
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i cant not be misogynistic
 
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Unfortunately those are ideas presented and promoted by redpillers and has been dunked on by the blackpill long ago, they are neither based on facts nor based on philosophy. they tend to be more on the fake intellect side.


we aren't asexual organisms. we cannot be androcentric as long as we have sexual drive since in your species, females are the sexual selectors, not males, thus gynocentrism and foid favoring will always happen, and androcentrism will always be a mutual exception.

having sex and procreating is also one of the main innate goals of humans. If you see a chance to abort or sacrifice something minor to ascend and ignore it because of androcentrism it will basically make you both a fakecel and a lowiq, "mogging eachother" the entire concept of mogging and having an alpha male is to afford the females of the pack only for yourself. that is what redpill androcentrists basically tell you because eventually foids will find their way towards you as they preach, they confuse social structure with genetics and nature as always and interwind this view with "men aging like fine wine" and both are based on fallacies and lies :feelsclown:


other things mentioned like highiq and strength are just mainly status or thought of as arbitrary ways to cope in a modern society, no more no less. chad doesn't need a highiq, chad doesn't need an immense strength either, in a modern society, chad only needs one thing: genetics.

what about an incel? iqmaxxing will only bring you more awareness and suffering and strengthmaxxing will only waste your time as it will appeal to the male gaze and impress your own gender more than the other one.
neither of them will make you ascend as an incel, ironically escortmaxxing is the only thing you mentioned that could.

the lower quality of escortmaxxing is not something you can afford to criticize regarding your male smv which should be non existent as an incel. you looksmatch ofcourse has more smv than you, you can blame it gynocentrism or foid worship but in reality this behavior is bound to happen with your species. :feelscomfy:


Don't believe what copemaximus simposium or other redpillers tell you because it is baseless. copemaximus pays to huff foid used panties and fucks dollar store escorts while telling you "androcentrism is key" :what:
Respect for high effort

I'm against giving absolute authority to one single worldview
Even if your whole past and present life points you to it

I say it as a humble student and a friend
 
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True
misogyny and foid worship are simillar

In both women have full control over man's life

Key to freedom is being self-centered and doing androcentric activities like martial arts
Studying philosophy
Basically to mog in intellect and strength
And to meet with other androcentric moggers and not gynocentric soys

Going to escorts is fucked as a subhuman
and you'll end up developing feelings for one like @IncelKing and countless others
Also the price compared to service quality is cucked in the west
But a Man needs to coom
Best to do it without porn
And only do it when you really need to

Celibacy is bad because its born of an unhealthy obsession
But if you dont think about cumming for long periods and can just go about life
Then that's freedom
Everything you suggest except for sexuality

Sorry but you need to have a sexual outlet
And for incel the best ( the only one) is prostitution
I don’t know what happened to @IncelKing , but if you’re really blackpill you ‘ll never fall in love with a woman , even less if it’s a hooker:feelsseriously:

Moneymaxx
Having money enough to be free
No wageslaving
Sport
Prostitute
Eating all I want
Waking up at the hour I want
Doings thing you like

That is how an incel should aspire to live
 
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I hate foids, my life doesn’t revolve around hating them
 
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Yes 100%. Pleasure and suffering are two sides of the coin of desire.
 
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misogyny and foid worship are simillar

In both women have full control over man's life

Key to freedom is being self-centered and doing androcentric activities like martial arts
Studying philosophy
Basically to mog in intellect and strength
And to meet with other androcentric moggers and not gynocentric soys

Going to escorts is fucked as a subhuman
and you'll end up developing feelings for one like @IncelKing and countless others
Also the price compared to service quality is cucked in the west
But a Man needs to coom
Best to do it without porn
And only do it when you really need to

Celibacy is bad because its born of an unhealthy obsession
But if you dont think about cumming for long periods and can just go about life
Then that's freedom
I partially agree. Whether you hate or love women to an extreme degree, either way they live rent free in your head. And so to not have them live rent free, one has to focus on oneself and live for oneself. People will call this whitepill or MGTOW cope. But it is the best option for men right now.
 
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In order to dominate the purely irreverent indifference women express towards men we must become intolerant towards women.
 
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Sorry but you need to have a sexual outlet
And for incel the best ( the only one) is prostitution
I don’t know what happened to @IncelKing , but if you’re really blackpill you ‘ll never fall in love with a woman , even less if it’s a hooker:feelsseriously:
Smarter men than us have tried to outsmart their conditioning and failed
Hard pill to swallow we're animals

An animal reads internet and thinks it can bypass its nature
 
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Nah men , your action are doom if you try to outsmart your condition by :

-no fap, no sex ,zen shit , your body is made to bust a nut litteraly

Falling in love is not an immeasurable condition far from it .

Some people get over it instantly when they realize how it works
Some need to work on it more
 
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Nah men , your action are doom if you try to outsmart your condition by :

Falling in love is not an immeasurable condition far from it .

Some people get over it instantly when they realize how it works
Some need to work on it more
You dont stay in love forever but it is inevitable
You dont "get over it instantly"
That's cope
Some people get over it instantly when they realize how it works
You mean after they brainwash themselves with "science"and start reciting brain chemicals?
-no fap, no sex ,zen shit , your body is made to bust a nut litteraly
Never said any of those things
Just dont obsess over your biological needs more than necessary
And learn to differentiate between them and addictions
 
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You dont stay in love forever but it is inevitable
You dont "get over it instantly"
That's cope
Of course you will fall in love in this life

but once you are blackpilled (truly not just saying it’s over on this forum)

sorry but it dies

How can you still fall in love with a woman after realizing only your appearance matter

Or if she have some affection for you , the only thing to destroy that is just a random attractive men:feelskek:
 
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You mean after they brainwash themselves with "science"and start reciting brain chemicals?
Sorry boyo but I didn’t brainwash shit

I just sat in a chair and realize even if I love a woman , she is not some magical being
, a random chad can have her without muttering a word :feelskek:
 
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I just have to ask if people like my mom say I hate women, does that mean I hate women? If you ask me personally, I don't care about whether I hate them or not, I just wanna fuck some poonyeeti.:feelsLSD:
 
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In order to dominate the purely irreverent indifference women express towards men we must become intolerant towards women.
Did you write "we must hate women because they ignore us" using big words so that IT don't understand?
:feelshmm::feelskek:
 
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I only disagree with the voluntary celibacy part, that's bullshit.
I think it's healthy to release your sexual energy on escorts, since in today's age there's no non-gynocentric way to do it outside of escorting, unless you're chad.
There's no way to suppress your sexual urges, forcing yourself to celibacy or non-fap shit is retarded when you have to option to pay an escort.
That's why Renegade #1 killed himself, he wanted to refrain from bodily pleasures and simply couldn't do it, because it's unnatural and against male nature.
Men need to coom. In olden times you could coom without sacrificing your self-centered lifestyle because androcentric societies revolved around the needs of men, so you would have access to arranged marriages, cheap prostitution and rape.
Today, your non-gynocentric choice, especially as an incel, is to fuck an escort from time to time.
To try to get into "dating" is completely cucked though.
 
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I only disagree with the voluntary celibacy part, that's bullshit.
I think it's healthy to release your sexual energy on escorts, since in today's age there's no non-gynocentric way to do it outside of escorting, unless you're chad.
There's no way to suppress your sexual urges, forcing yourself to celibacy or non-fap shit is retarded when you have to option to pay an escort.
That's why Renegade #1 killed himself, he wanted to refrain from bodily pleasures and simply couldn't do it, because it's unnatural and against male nature.
Men need to coom. In olden times you could coom without sacrificing your self-centered lifestyle because androcentric societies revolved around the needs of men, so you would have access to arranged marriages, cheap prostitution and rape.
Today, your non-gynocentric choice, especially as an incel, is to fuck an escort from time to time.
To try to get into "dating" is completely cucked though.

Who’s renegade #1?
 
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Who’s renegade #1?
"Popular" early blackpill youtuber who preached abstention from earthly pleasures and ended up comitting the sui
 
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"Popular" early blackpill youtuber who preached abstention from earthly pleasures and ended up comitting the sui

No matter how hard he coped, ultimately He realised that the whole purpose of life is to enjoy earthly pleasures, so missing out on that made him feel like he was missing out on life itself, I guess he felt like he was “already dead” in a sense, and when you feel that way then suicide is very easy to do.

Is there any evidence he committed sui though?
 
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No matter how hard he coped, ultimately He realised that the whole purpose of life is to enjoy earthly pleasures, so missing out on that made him feel like he was missing out on life itself, I guess he felt like he was “already dead” in a sense, and when you feel that way then suicide is very easy to do.

Is there any evidence he committed sui though?
I don't know if he actually realized that, if he did I think he'd simply go fuck some escorts, do some drugs, spend his money with pleasant things for himself, but I guess he was still somehow attached to the idea of social validation despite preaching the opposing view, and that's why I think he killed himself, couldn't simply enjoy it his way regardless of others opinions. He was just in his early 20s. Too much resentfulness clouding his mind prevented him from fully setting himself free.

He was personal friends with popular blackpill youtuber Oreo Man / Savvy Guy and some others, they confirmed his suicide.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL0nI3mYpW0
 
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Why is this MGTOW cope pinned jfl.
 
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Used to be like that but drugs killed my love so I only have hate now:feelsLSD:
 
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I only disagree with the voluntary celibacy part, that's bullshit.
I think it's healthy to release your sexual energy on escorts, since in today's age there's no non-gynocentric way to do it outside of escorting, unless you're chad.
There's no way to suppress your sexual urges, forcing yourself to celibacy or non-fap shit is retarded when you have to option to pay an escort.
That's why Renegade #1 killed himself, he wanted to refrain from bodily pleasures and simply couldn't do it, because it's unnatural and against male nature.
Men need to coom. In olden times you could coom without sacrificing your self-centered lifestyle because androcentric societies revolved around the needs of men, so you would have access to arranged marriages, cheap prostitution and rape.
Today, your non-gynocentric choice, especially as an incel, is to fuck an escort from time to time.
To try to get into "dating" is completely cucked though.
That is true. And I agree that refraining from ejaculation can lead to extreme sexual frustration and discomfort. But at the same time frequent ejaculation (especially during puberty) can have some negative physical side effects. These include:

Burned out dopamine receptors
Stunted Growth during puberty(I fall victim to this one)
Acne
Weaker Immune System
Mindfog and less focus
Etc.
 
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That is true. And I agree that refraining from ejaculation can lead to extreme sexual frustration and discomfort. But at the same time frequent ejaculation (especially during puberty) can have some negative physical side effects. These include:

Burned out dopamine receptors
Stunted Growth during puberty(I fall victim to this one)
Acne
Weaker Immune System
Mindfog and less focus
Etc.
Agreed, overstimulation and overfocusing on cooming and having access to sex is not healthy
I think it should be a healthy part of a man's coping mechanisms, not too much, not too little (or none)
Not only this obsession causes physical downsides, but also psychological, and even moreso "spiritual/ideological", since uncontrolled sexual desire is the reason men become simps at the first opportunity they have (especially when they do not have frequent access to sex)
In normal (non-gynocentric) times we would have regular access to sex, even if less so than "Chads" or the elites, because the female population was at large under instruction/order by androcentric terms and was inclinated to comply with this order/zeitgeist
Today, we have to make our way around this pityful societal dynamics, some (most) adapt by being simps, cucks and slaves to cumdumpsters' validation, others prefer to directly pay for sex in a somehow frequent basis and avoiding getting their dignity completely taken away from them
But complete voluntary starvation from sex (which all incels who chose to not pay are doing when they can't get it for free like Chad) and even masturbation (like nofappers) is not healthy at all
I bring again the example of known blackpiller Renegade #1 who killed himself, despite being high IQ and competent, he ended up suiciding in his early 20s because he bought the idea of complete detachment from sensorial/bodily pleasures (including not fapping and not paying for sex), which cannot ever be done because we're all trapped in our human/animalistic bodies and instincts
It's one thing to detach from society and the NPC zeitgeist (completely valid and positive IMO), that's possible, but getting rid of your natural desires, then yes, you can achieve it only through death
We have to find our way towards balance
If some men get attached to prostitutes (the oldest profession there is, and very very common at olden times, foids would either be housewives or prostitutes, no inbetween) then it's a problem with them (since they should be aiming only for sexual pleasure but somehow end up getting attached because of lack of self-control/reason), not with prostitution per se
 
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Agreed, overstimulation and overfocusing on cooming and having access to sex is not healthy
I think it should be a healthy part of a man's coping mechanisms, not too much, not too little (or none)
Not only this obsession causes physical downsides, but also psychological, and even moreso "spiritual/ideological", since uncontrolled sexual desire is the reason men become simps at the first opportunity they have (especially when they do not have frequent access to sex)
In normal (non-gynocentric) times we would have regular access to sex, even if less so than "Chads" or the elites, because the female population was at large under instruction/order by androcentric terms and was inclinated to comply with this order/zeitgeist
Today, we have to make our way around this pityful societal dynamics, some (most) adapt by being simps, cucks and slaves to cumdumpsters' validation, others prefer to directly pay for sex in a somehow frequent basis and avoiding getting their dignity completely taken away from them
But complete voluntary starvation from sex (which all incels who chose to not pay are doing when they can't get it for free like Chad) and even masturbation (like nofappers) is not healthy at all
I bring again the example of known blackpiller Renegade #1 who killed himself, despite being high IQ and competent, he ended up suiciding in his early 20s because he bought the idea of complete detachment from sensorial/bodily pleasures (including not fapping and not paying for sex), which cannot ever be done because we're all trapped in our human/animalistic bodies and instincts
It's one thing to detach from society and the NPC zeitgeist (completely valid and positive IMO), that's possible, but getting rid of your natural desires, then yes, you can achieve it only through death
We have to find our way towards balance
If some men get attached to prostitutes (the oldest profession there is, and very very common at olden times, foids would either be housewives or prostitutes, no inbetween) then it's a problem with them (since they should be aiming only for sexual pleasure but somehow end up getting attached because of lack of self-control/reason), not with prostitution per se
Yup. Everything in life needs a balanced. I call this "the ribena affect". Not too diluted with water to the point were the ribena flavour is gone,but not too concentrate to the point were its too sweet. You need a perfect balance. Ribena Effect.

i would say coom twice a month.
 
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Either way you are giving them attention

Best to just treat them as if they don’t exist
 
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Oh but when I say it, I don’t get a pinned thread. Thanks mods.

Hah. Ya we can’t escape what we are. Ultimately everything revolves around women and our IMPERATIVE to fuck them and breed with them. Legit physical/psychological necessity, on the order of food and water, even the mere presence of a friendly female. One is rendered destitute without it. But my reasoning was a little different. I proposed that hating women = loving women, since the only reason we hate them is for withholding from us the object of our greatest desire. So therefore our hate is proportional to our love.
 
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misogyny and foid worship are simillar

In both women have full control over man's life

Key to freedom is being self-centered and doing androcentric activities like martial arts
Studying philosophy
Basically to mog in intellect and strength
And to meet with other androcentric moggers and not gynocentric soys

Going to escorts is fucked as a subhuman
and you'll end up developing feelings for one like @IncelKing and countless others
Also the price compared to service quality is cucked in the west
But a Man needs to coom
Best to do it without porn
And only do it when you really need to

Celibacy is bad because its born of an unhealthy obsession
But if you dont think about cumming for long periods and can just go about life
Then that's freedom
I agree.

But it goes further. Actually "misogyny", in the sense of "foid hatred", is foid worship too. It is just foid worship gone bad.

You worship foids. That makes foids into both goddesses and priestesses. Then, at puberty, you realize that foids reject you, i.e. they prevent you from entering the temple of foid worship, and getting their magic for yourself by fucking them (many foid worship temples in India and Mesopotamia had prostitute priestesses you could fuck). Yet you are still a foid worshiper. So you now hate the priestesses just like Dalits (untouchables) in India hate Brahmin priests.

If Dalits were not Hindus (and therefore convinced as such that Brahmins have something special), they would build their own temples and worship in them. They wouldn't care about Brahmin-run temples. But they are Hindus so they still want to enter in those Temples.

Incel sufferers (those who are depressed and want to rope) are like that. They are still worshiping foids so much that they both hate them and want to die.
 
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Oh but when I say it, I don’t get a pinned thread. Thanks mods.

Hah. Ya we can’t escape what we are. Ultimately everything revolves around women and our IMPERATIVE to fuck them and breed with them. Legit physical/psychological necessity, on the order of food and water, even the mere presence of a friendly female. One is rendered destitute without it. But my reasoning was a little different. I proposed that hating women = loving women, since the only reason we hate them is for withholding from us the object of our greatest desire. So therefore our hate is proportional to our love.
“Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half‑truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.”

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I agree.

But it goes further. Actually "misogyny", in the sense of "foid hatred", is foid worship too. It is just foid worship gone bad.

You worship foids. That makes foids into both goddesses and priestesses. Then, at puberty, you realize that foids reject you, i.e. they prevent you from entering the temple of foid worship, and getting their magic for yourself by fucking them (many foid worship temples in India and Mesopotamia had prostitute priestesses you could fuck). Yet you are still a foid worshiper. So you now hate the priestesses just like Dalits (untouchables) in India hate Brahmin priests.

If Dalits were not Hindus (and therefore convinced as such that Brahmins have something special), they would build their own temples and worship in them. They wouldn't care about Brahmin-run temples. But they are Hindus so they still want to enter in those Temples.

Incel sufferers (those who are depressed and want to rope) are like that. They are still worshiping foids so much that they both hate them and want to die.
Interesting
 
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misogyny and foid worship are simillar

In both women have full control over man's life

Key to freedom is being self-centered and doing androcentric activities like martial arts
Studying philosophy
Basically to mog in intellect and strength
And to meet with other androcentric moggers and not gynocentric soys

Going to escorts is fucked as a subhuman
and you'll end up developing feelings for one like @IncelKing and countless others
Also the price compared to service quality is cucked in the west
But a Man needs to coom
Best to do it without porn
And only do it when you really need to

Celibacy is bad because its born of an unhealthy obsession
But if you dont think about cumming for long periods and can just go about life
Then that's freedom
Not because you enjoy them , but just because you want to feel a sense of superiority?

It's no the first time something like this has been posted , but your version , the bolded part specifically managed to capture my attention.
 
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Not because you enjoy them , but just because you want to feel a sense of superiority?

It's no the first time something like this has been posted , but your version , the bolded part specifically managed to capture my attention.
Accepting reality for what it is, is cool and all
but
At the end of the day what differs you from soys who we call 'the last men'?

If they are truly the pitiful ones and you deem yourself superior
Isn't it your obligation to rise and stand above them?
 
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Accepting reality for what it is, is cool and all
but
At the end of the day what differs you from soys who we call 'the last men'?

If they are truly the pitiful ones and you deem yourself superior
Isn't it your obligation to rise and stand above them?
It's the fact that you're fixating on standing above them , where you're failing. Acquiring strenght and knowledge because those things interests you is good. Acquiring it because you want some sense of superiority to cope better with the state of your life , then...You're still doing things while thinking of others , no different from the gymcel who wants to impress women/normies rather than just working out because he likes it , you just cannot say you're being self centered when you're thinking about "mogging" others.

If whitepill is your thing , you're on the wrong track.
 
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It's the fact that you're fixating on standing above them , where you're failing. Acquiring strenght and knowledge because those things interests you is good. Acquiring it because you want some sense of superiority to cope better with the state of your life , then...You're still doing things while thinking of others , no different from the gymcel who wants to impress women/normies rather than just working out because he likes it , you just cannot say you're being self centered when you're thinking about "mogging" others.

If whitepill is your thing , you're on the wrong track.
honestly my intention was to appeal to the forum community's rather than my own sentiments
I was maybe wrong to write it even if to point out a hypocrisy
thanks for noticing
 
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Just turn the other cheek bro, just don’t feel a sense of personal justice bro:soy:
 
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They are both emotional responses.. with training you can get rid of emotional responses. :feelshmm:
 
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TLDR: mgtow. men sent their own way.
 
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Massive cope
 
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Neutrality is necessary for freedom from any vice or form of slavery, this is what brought me freedom from nicotine.
 
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Neutrality is necessary for freedom from any vice or form of slavery, this is what brought me freedom from nicotine.
nice sig
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somehow it fits :feelstastyman:
 

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