I have a pretty low IQ and attempted to close the gap with studying and working more hours, it never worked
Blackpill Hard work doesn’t necessarily make you successful, winners are BORN to be winners.
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Of course..life is rigged. Not exactly a grand revelation.
There are a lot of factors out of your control which influence your success, no matter how hard you work.
Intelligence
Let’s say there are 2 men, one with an IQ of 80 and another with an IQ of 160.
Let’s say these 2 men both work 100 hours.
The low iq guy will most likely make $20 an hour in some minimum wage low level job and he will earn in total $2000 for the 100 hours of work.
The high iq guy will most likely make $100 an hour in some high level white collar job, he will earn $10000 for the 100 hours of work.
Now normies can’t argue that the low iq guy didn’t make as much money as the high iq guy because the low iq guy simply “didn’t work hard enough”.
Low iq guy worked the exact same quantity of hours as the high iq guy, but the low iq guy’s effort yielded less reward because of the limitations of his low iq (which he was BORN with).
His low iq (something he was BORN with) will always handicap him from making as much money as others even if he works just as much as them and just as hard as them.
Aspergers(and autism)
80% of people with Aspergers don’t hold a full-time job. (Either unemployed or working part-time).
So only 20% of people with Aspergers work full-time jobs.
Autism spectrum disorder and employment
With best estimates indicating that 80% of adults with Asperger Syndrome have been unable to secure long term employment, Elisabeth Hill argues that more time, money and research needs to be invested into autism in employment.www.gold.ac.uk
you will have a much more difficult time when it comes to making money if you are BORN with Aspergers, something out of your control.
Conclusion
This is the reason I say winners are not created, winners are BORN.
All those people who succeeded in life, yeah they worked hard but their work only yielded reward in the first place because they were lucky enough to be BORN high IQ and without Aspergers/autism, (both of which are the biggest obstacles in the path to find wealth and success).
They were born to win because they were born with the genes of a winner. They had the genetic potential from birth, all they had to do was put in the work to fulfill the potential that they were born with.
But if you are born with trash genetics (low iq or Aspergers or god forbid both at the same time) then no matter how hard you work, you will always be restricted within the boundaries of your genetic potential, no matter how much effort you put in, you will always remain a failure because you were born to fail.
I’m a high iq guy, I have confirmed this with multiple iq tests and the proof is in the fact that I finished high school with marks in the top 5% of all students in my grade in the entire country, I was studying a bachelor of finance but left the degree half way through due to exhaustion and mental fatigue from being a fucking incel, but I have plans to return to the degree very soon and finish it off so I can get a job in banking.
However, although I have high iq, I was unfortunate enough to be born with Aspergers, yet despite this I’m working a full-time job from which I earn an average salary, this makes me part of the 20% of people with Aspergers who work full-time jobs.
So the only thing which is hindering my ability to make money is Aspergers, but I am still trying my best not to use this as an excuse to rot and do nothing, and I could’ve been satisfied with my present situation of having an average salary, but still I have ambition to be earning 6-figure income annually within couple of years once my degree is finished.
You can’t come to the realisation of whether you were born to fail or born to win until you try your best, because it’s very possible that someone who has the genetic potential to win, might delude himself into thinking that he was born to lose and therefore sits around doing nothing, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of being a loser.
So the most important part is, just because you were born to win doesn’t mean you can just sit around doing nothing and you will still “win” at life. Being born to win means you have the genetic potential to win, but that potential can only be reached through work, so you still have to work to achieve that potential.
But only after trying your best for years, after spending your prime years working hard and investing effort into your life, if you find yourself either living an average or below average life, only then you can come to the conclusion that you were born to fail.
It’s too early for me to come to the conclusion of whether I was born to win or fail. I have the genetics of a loser (Aspergers) but at the same time I have the genetics of a winner (high iq).
Therefore it might be a lot more difficult for me, but success is still possible and the extent of my success won’t be as high as many others out there (celebrities, government officials, politicians, CEOs) but it can reach a position in which I can be satisfied with life.
If I see that by the age of like 35 that my life is nowhere, then I can say for sure that I was born to fail, but I’m only 24 now so I have many more years of work and effort left before I find my answer
WHich uni did you drop out from?
Nice attempt at trying to dox me
UNSW or USydney?
Macquarie university
People who study finance are somewhat like vultures
I'm a high IQ Ashkenazi Jew. I have a good white collar job (IT).
But to achieve it, I needed to studymax, work hard, make connections (for an introvert like me, it's very complicated).
And the maximum I can get is betabuxing.
Chad just need to exist to be genuinely loved for what he is.
But to achieve it, I needed to studymax, work hard, make connections (for an introvert like me, it's very complicated).
And the maximum I can get is betabuxing.
Chad just need to exist to be genuinely loved for what he is.
I miss FTL a little
Im fucked.
Nobody actually "just cares" about anyone, that's the point. Stop being blue pilled. What you've done is that you've mentally deified "caring" based on your genetics, and mentally vilified "caring" based on your ability to protect and provide.
No woman just "likes you for you" or any other guy. It always comes down to genetics and resources. What you are doing is classifying genetics as "you", but the things that you worked for and actually shaped who you are and your personality (career, resources, etc) as "not you", those things to you are "the other".
Either way nobody actually cares about you. Stop being delusional.
A woman liking a guy because he's tall and handsome IS JUST AS SHALLOW as her liking a guy because he's rich.
There has to be one woman out there who is a genetic anomaly and will care about me because we have similar interests. She's thinks I'm kind and funny. Likes me enough to ignore than I'm short and ugly. I get most women want me dead but there has to be just ONE who doesn't. JUST ONE!
It's all in my username.
This is very true. You always post the best threads.There are a lot of factors out of your control which influence your success, no matter how hard you work.
Intelligence
Let’s say there are 2 men, one with an IQ of 80 and another with an IQ of 160.
Let’s say these 2 men both work 100 hours.
The low iq guy will most likely make $20 an hour in some minimum wage low level job and he will earn in total $2000 for the 100 hours of work.
The high iq guy will most likely make $100 an hour in some high level white collar job, he will earn $10000 for the 100 hours of work.
Now normies can’t argue that the low iq guy didn’t make as much money as the high iq guy because the low iq guy simply “didn’t work hard enough”.
Low iq guy worked the exact same quantity of hours as the high iq guy, but the low iq guy’s effort yielded less reward because of the limitations of his low iq (which he was BORN with).
His low iq (something he was BORN with) will always handicap him from making as much money as others even if he works just as much as them and just as hard as them.
Aspergers(and autism)
80% of people with Aspergers don’t hold a full-time job. (Either unemployed or working part-time).
So only 20% of people with Aspergers work full-time jobs.
Autism spectrum disorder and employment
With best estimates indicating that 80% of adults with Asperger Syndrome have been unable to secure long term employment, Elisabeth Hill argues that more time, money and research needs to be invested into autism in employment.
you will have a much more difficult time when it comes to making money if you are BORN with Aspergers, something out of your control.
Conclusion
This is the reason I say winners are not created, winners are BORN.
All those people who succeeded in life, yeah they worked hard but their work only yielded reward in the first place because they were lucky enough to be BORN high IQ and without Aspergers/autism, (both of which are the biggest obstacles in the path to find wealth and success).
They were born to win because they were born with the genes of a winner. They had the genetic potential from birth, all they had to do was put in the work to fulfill the potential that they were born with.
But if you are born with trash genetics (low iq or Aspergers or god forbid both at the same time) then no matter how hard you work, you will always be restricted within the boundaries of your genetic potential, no matter how much effort you put in, you will always remain a failure because you were born to fail.
I’m a high iq guy, I have confirmed this with multiple iq tests and the proof is in the fact that I finished high school with marks in the top 5% of all students in my grade in the entire country, I was studying a bachelor of finance but left the degree half way through due to exhaustion and mental fatigue from being a fucking incel, but I have plans to return to the degree very soon and finish it off so I can get a job in banking.
However, although I have high iq, I was unfortunate enough to be born with Aspergers, yet despite this I’m working a full-time job from which I earn an average salary, this makes me part of the 20% of people with Aspergers who work full-time jobs.
So the only thing which is hindering my ability to make money is Aspergers, but I am still trying my best not to use this as an excuse to rot and do nothing, and I could’ve been satisfied with my present situation of having an average salary, but still I have ambition to be earning 6-figure income annually within couple of years once my degree is finished.
You can’t come to the realisation of whether you were born to fail or born to win until you try your best, because it’s very possible that someone who has the genetic potential to win, might delude himself into thinking that he was born to lose and therefore sits around doing nothing, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of being a loser.
So the most important part is, just because you were born to win doesn’t mean you can just sit around doing nothing and you will still “win” at life. Being born to win means you have the genetic potential to win, but that potential can only be reached through work, so you still have to work to achieve that potential.
But only after trying your best for years, after spending your prime years working hard and investing effort into your life, if you find yourself either living an average or below average life, only then you can come to the conclusion that you were born to fail.
It’s too early for me to come to the conclusion of whether I was born to win or fail. I have the genetics of a loser (Aspergers) but at the same time I have the genetics of a winner (high iq).
Therefore it might be a lot more difficult for me, but success is still possible and the extent of my success won’t be as high as many others out there (celebrities, government officials, politicians, CEOs) but it can reach a position in which I can be satisfied with life.
If I see that by the age of like 35 that my life is nowhere, then I can say for sure that I was born to fail, but I’m only 24 now so I have many more years of work and effort left before I find my answer.
I have tried my best but always fail
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You're both correct. Genetics determine your maximum potential limit, and nurture (environment) maximizes your genetic potential. Genetics tells you how big your fuel tank is and nurture helps it reach the cap.
I realized that most of my problems woulda been solve if only I was NT, I'm a normie at best but it was my non NTness that fuck me over. I have autism and severe maladaptive day dreaming. A lot of people think I'm crazy because of my day dreaming habit, and they also think I'm dumb because of my autism. Even though I work as a programmer, you still need to be NT in order to function in a office/corporate settings.
At 35 years old, I only have 4 years of working experience. I don't usually stay long at my job, the longest employment I had was 1 year and 5 months I guess. I cannot stand office politics, normies trying to put me down, and making my job miserable. I think it because of my non NTness, normies can smell if you're non NT and they will eject you from their social group/team/job you have.
Now at 35 years old, inceldom and loneliness are the least of my problem, I'm used to loneliness as far as I can remember. I worry a lot for my finances. If you think that being incel is the worst then wait until you're broke, it will scare the shit out of you.
At 35 years old, I only have 4 years of working experience. I don't usually stay long at my job, the longest employment I had was 1 year and 5 months I guess. I cannot stand office politics, normies trying to put me down, and making my job miserable. I think it because of my non NTness, normies can smell if you're non NT and they will eject you from their social group/team/job you have.
Now at 35 years old, inceldom and loneliness are the least of my problem, I'm used to loneliness as far as I can remember. I worry a lot for my finances. If you think that being incel is the worst then wait until you're broke, it will scare the shit out of you.
couldnt be more true.. but we are taught from a young age that if you try hard enough you can be anything lmao it’s the American dream after all. Bullshit. As someone with confirmed bellow average intellect (IQ of 84) life is a struggle. I Was destined to fail from the moment of conception, genetics are fucking cruel man.
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It's called a dream for a reason. It's pure fantasy for 99.9999% of the people.
I believe natural talent allied with hard work will get you very far but hard work alone will not propel you to the top especially if you have a very low ceiling.
Same here. It was never my looks that was the problem. It was my NTness that was lacking. Many thought I was disabled. I couldn't fight. All my peers were stronger and more NT than me. Which was all that mattered at the time when I was in school.
She likes what a betabux do, not what he is. She is getting wet from a chad, not from the wallet of a beta. That what we will never get: "I want to take your clothes off and fuck you here, in this restaurant on the table, I'm wet and burning from lust"
You will also never get many priviledges from all the other ways you weren't born special:
Intelligence
Wealth
Etc
Just because you don't own a mansion, doesn't mean you are going to choose to be homeless "out of spite". Yet that's the retard logic you guys apply to sex and relationship.
You won't get "mansion tier treatment" from women because you weren't born with the genetics to get that. So are you just going to remain homeless then?. It doesn't make sense, you are only depriving yourself of sexual pleasure.
Lastly, many of our ancestors were raping and pillaging and they didn't give a fuck about whether or not a woman had "burning lust" for them. So I find it so funny when you guys rewrite history and pretend as if men in the past even cared about that shit. Don't project your neutered modern day, "feminized masculinity" standards onto biology itself.
There is not inherent biological need in men to "feel desired". Raping was a norm for men, men in their natural state don't care about "mutual attraction". What you are doing is confusing your social indoctrination with biology. Men weren't getting down on one knee and begging women to "marry" them using shiny rocks 100000 years ago.
There's no reason for me to care if a woman "likes me for me" or not, I only care if I'm going to get what I want from her.
I agree. Capitalism with its focus on abstract concepts of labor and money gives us the illusion that money has intrinsic value. But it doesn't, our labor does.
There's always an exception to the rule, but what's the probability of you finding her on a planet of billions?There has to be one woman out there who is a genetic anomaly and will care about me because we have similar interests. She's thinks I'm kind and funny. Likes me enough to ignore than I'm short and ugly. I get most women want me dead but there has to be just ONE who doesn't. JUST ONE!
Exactly. What gives money value is what it represents. Minimum wage in America is $7.25 an hour (in some states it's more). So when you hold $7.25 in your hand, you are basically holding an hour of labor in your hands. This is why I think the capitalist system is fucked up. Because someone born into wealth, has essentially claimed the value of labor, without ever having to work.
This is why I'd never tell someone to "do the right thing" or "don't sell drugs", because in a game as unfair and rigged as this, it makes no sense to play by the rules. Do whatever the fuck you want. Why should you "work hard" when someone else will get that same value of your labor handed to them for doing nothing.
Yes, I will choose to be homeless, if the only house that I offered is full of mines, snakes and sewer.
Sexual pleasure? Starfish sex once a month, or no sex at all after she gave birth to chads kid and became 300 pounds broiler? And for all of this I will need to pay by half of my money, plus dealing with her mother?
Thanks but no thanks.
Reported for humble bragging
Heil Hitler
yes. very true. i am a winner at life because i was fortuitous and everyone on reddit was destined from the start to be losers.
TRANSLATION: "I have a cucked allegiance to my country, and I refuse to leave my current shitty life behind to move on to greener pastures in more traditional countries, because I am ironically attached to this life, as if I have stockholm syndrome".
There is nothing stopping any of you guys from wealthmaxxing, moving to a more traditional 3rd world country, getting a wife who lacks the options and laws to exploit you as you just described (starfish sex, no fault divorce, paternity fraud, etc), and simply staying in that country and never going back to the West with her.
I don't know why so many of you guys are attached to countries in which your life is shit lol.
Don't speak as if the country you live in is the only country and culture in the world. What you want is out there, you are just unwilling to do what it takes to get it, and you're unwilling to swallow your pride after getting it and accept it for what it is (she's only with you because you are her best option, and if you take her to the West and give her the chance to upgrade, she will leave you).
You're unwilling to accept female nature and exploit it to your benefit, because you still have disney fairy tale delusions, and you want to "feel loved" and "feel special".
There's a 7/10 waiting for you in Colombia, you just have to be willing to accept that relationship for what it is, and understand that you can't take her to the West with you, and you have to make sure that all of your contracts are in order (prenups actually work in Colombia last time I checked, the laws are different and aren't completely biased in a way that women can easily get a mans resources).
didn’t like him that much but he was blackpilled to the core
A friend of mine did it and moved to Mariupol. He is never to be found again.
When you say Colombia, you are thinking about gorgeous girls, and I'm thinking about drugs, crime, cartel wars, civil wars etc. You need to sacrifice a lot of first world comfort and quality of life for a girl. Is it worth it? And speaking as a person who lived in 5 different countries and speaks 5 languages.
What do you mean by that, is he dead, or you mean he has it so good he's never coming back?
1. Notice I said to wealthmaxx. There are safe upscale places in every country. If you are making US dollars in living in a country like that, the exchange rate will definitely help you get a spot in those communities. Just don't go into the dangerous areas, and stay away from certain people and you're going.
Every person in Colombia isn't worried about being held up at gun point.
2. Maybe you don't like asian women but I doubt. My first choice is SEA (South East Asian). A choice between Thailand or the Phillipines. The crime isn't really high there and the cost of living is very low.
So it doesn't have to be Colombia if you are worried about those things.
Not really, the world is pretty globalized these days. Nobody said to go live in Liberia or some other poor African country lol. There are upscale areas in most of the decent 3rd world countries, and you won't lose out on much of any first world comforts at all.
If it isn't worth it, then how about you guys stop complaining about not having the ability to date, court, marry and have sex with women lol.
Men have literally migrated and fought wars to gain access to women in the past, but you want to say it's not worth it. Today you don't even have to fight and risk dying, all you have to do is build your wealth and travel.
The choice is yours.
Lastly, if you lived in 5 different countries and you can speak 5 languages, it confuses me even more. Why did you settle down in a shitty country in which you'd end up being incel?.
Better yet, why stay there when you don't even have to worry about language barrier problems. Just choose the best among the last 5 and go there. There has to be one among them that's traditional but isn't to dangerous.
confidence + iq determine success in making money
but face + height is more important for having success with women
but face + height is more important for having success with women
big partial truth tbh. You need correct IQ genes, health, ideally upbringing too. All of this is mostly out of a person's control
People on this forum think that genetics is only represented by looks, but the truth is the amount of money you make is also a representation of your genetic potential.
Making more money is a very strong indicator of having higher intelligence and greater neurotypicality. Therefore the more money you make, the better your genetic quality.
over course women want a man with money in order to get access to his resources, but that’s not the main reason she is with the man, she is with the man mainly because she is attracted to the good quality genes which enabled the man to acquire those resources in the first place .
I’m sure there are lot of cases where women sleep with rich and successful men but those men report that many of those women don’t even want any material gifts or money from those men, they want to be with those men “for free” even if those men have the ability to pay them well, because they weren’t there for the man’s resources as much as they were physically attracted to the genes which made that man successful in the first place (high iq, neurotypical), genes which she can pass on to her offspring thus giving her offspring a greater chance of survival and success because her offspring will be carrying the genes of a man who is a WINNER.
and at the end of the day WINNERS CREATE WINNERS, so thats why often people born to poor families are most likely to stay poor while people born to wealthy families are more likely to become even wealthier.
It’s obvious to most people that only looks represent genes. but if you look at it deeply you will realise that even the amount of money you make represents your genes.
So at the end of the day, from your looks to the money you make EVERYTHING IS GENETICALLY PREDETERMINED.
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Exactly, thanks for bringing up environment, that too is out of your control.
So if we are born with certain genetics (which is out of our control) and we are raised in an environment which interacts with those genes, that environment ALSO being out of our control, then do we even have the power to determine the course or trajectory of our life or is it the case that everything was pre-determined and that the concept of “destiny” is true after all?
So many things are out of our control tbh. Genetics and environment are mostly if not completely why we are who we are, why else would people even be so different to begin with otherwise?
Does free will even exist?It doesn't make too much sense to me. In What scenario can free will even exist irl unless we are talking about it on a spiritual level? Either The World is predetermined or it is chaotic (quantum slit). Is there even room for free will there
I would say yes and no.
HOW you make money is a strong indicator of higher intelligence. For example, a lot of high paying fields like Doctor or Engineer on average are jobs held by people within the IQ range of 120 - 130 (the average IQ in America is 98).
But there are many millionaire and six figure earning business owners in America that have average intelligence. In other words, starting a business is not an indicator of genetics for higher intelligence. It just means you are someone who wants more out of life and is willing to take risks.
There's a lot stopping people from becoming doctors, there's nothing stopping anyone from starting a simple business (like a food stand) or even an online business. Average intelligence is more than enough to do something like that.
What I see here is lazy people looking for excuses. While I agree that you need very high IQ to be a rocket scientist, there is nothing that stops to resell stuff on Ebay, for example, or study something less complicated.
I was born to fail, unfortunately, and coming to terms with this is brutal. I'm part of the 80% of autists who is currently only part-time employed (and stuck living at home with my father as a result) and see little to no hope of ever turning my life around.
Stupid thing is that I regularly get good marks in school (when my depression didn't run roughshod over me) and very consistently score an IQ of 129 in various tests - yet, I feel like a goddamn idiot because of how little I've been able to accomplish in my life.
I hate how much the way you're born dictates the way you'll live this life. It's so hopelessly over for some people, and the helplessness about it all is one of the worst things I've ever felt my entire life.
Stupid thing is that I regularly get good marks in school (when my depression didn't run roughshod over me) and very consistently score an IQ of 129 in various tests - yet, I feel like a goddamn idiot because of how little I've been able to accomplish in my life.
I hate how much the way you're born dictates the way you'll live this life. It's so hopelessly over for some people, and the helplessness about it all is one of the worst things I've ever felt my entire life.
I have asperger's. I'm considering roping after seeing this
What I see here is a person coping like crazy.
Great explanation. This actually makes your thread about money being important much more grounded. In this text, I completely agree with you.
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