Blackpill [Hard To Swallow Edition] Many Incels Don't Seem Realize That The AVERAGE Relationship Is Pretty Much "Sexless" (Because They Don't Talk To Other Men)

[BlkPillPres]

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Like I said in one of my last threads:

EVERY Guy I Know In Real Life That Pays For Sex Is A Normie With A Girlfriend (This Is Why Incels That REFUSE To Do It Confuse Me)

I find it so confusing that so many incels "look down on" the act of paying for sex as if its "beneath them", when its usually the men who mog them and actually have a sexual history that pay for sex, and these men don't feel any shame about it, in fact its like some kind of "male bonding...

incels.is

I keep saying this over and over on the forum, and I'll always repeat it as much as possible because its a fact:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES

They do not go out into the "real world" and try to experience it for themselves to see how things really work

Now why do I bring up this whole "incels think memes are real life" thing?

Its because I often see incels speaking about being in a relationship like it'll be an American Pie movie. Like you just get a girlfriend (in these times) and its going to be an endless orgy or something

Its clear that many incels don't really try to talk to normie males and "gauge the environment", well I've spent years doing this

AFTER READING THIS THREAD I WANT INCELS TO ASK THEMSELVES, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DATE AND "ASCEND"?


I have a news flash for you guys, I've worked at like 5 different places over the years and talked to many men in relationships, from the love struck optimistic guy in his 20's, to the broken old married (or divorced) guy in his 40's and 50's, and there isn't really much sex going around in the AVERAGE relationship (and that's not due to the men, the men always want to have more sex)

The younger guys (20's) that I talked to seem to only really have sex around once or twice a week

Not what you expected right?, because if you had a GF you'd want to go out and have sex everyday if you could (or at least 3 to 4 times a week), right?

Well I literally just googled to confirm just before making this thread and here's the data that I keep seeing repeated:

How often do the happiest couples have sex? (It's less than you think)

Once a week is "just right" for sexual happiness, according to a study. But there’s no magic formula.

www.nbcnews.com

Sexual Health

Find out everything you need to know about sexual health, including sexually transmitted diseases, libido, sex positions, and more.

www.health.com

THE AVERAGE COUPLE IS HAVING SEX
54 TIMES A YEAR

The average adult gets some action 54 times a year—or about once a week, according to a 2017 study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior

So its about once per week, so I guess the responses I received from these men were pretty accurate

What a lot of you guys don't seem to get is in this new modern age where women work and get "tired" from their "work life", they have even more excuses to reject the sexual advances of some guy that they are only "kinda attracted to" (because he's average). Peoples work lives also legitimately get in the way of their "sex life" so it isn't all just women using it as an excuse, sex is now something that couples have to "make time for" because we live in such a busy and fast paced world


NOW KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS DATA FROM 2017 ON COUPLES THAT DON'T LIVE TOGETHER

WHAT ABOUT THE COUPLES THAT LIVE TOGETHER?

WELL DATA FROM 2019 INDICATES LOWER RATES OF SEX FOR COUPLES THAT LIVE TOGETHER

How much sex should couples have? Here's what experts say.

Couples shouldn't compare their own sex lives to other couples, experts say. Here's how to improve your sex life.

www.usatoday.com

For couples who live together, married couples, and older people in general, the decline in how much sex they have is even more staggering, per a 2019 study of British adults and teens

You would think since you spend more time together you'd have more oppurtunities for sex, but here's the thing:
WOMEN DON'T REALLY WANT TO FUCK THE MEN THAT THEY ARE WITH (THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SETTLING)


The above stat included marriages, but lets still talk a bit about that. About now you are probably thinking if you get married to the "right girl" that you are lucky enough to "ascend" with, your marriage will be filled with a lot of sex, right?

Well no, of all the older males I've talked to (30's to 50's), YOU GET LESS SEX, maybe once every two weeks if you are lucky, and the sex is barely any good either

Here's the deal:
1. Sex gets leveraged against you to make you do favors, hang out with people you don't care about, take her out, take out the trash, etc, etc, etc (YOU BECOME HER BITCH)

2. The effort your wife puts into sexually satisfying you goes down drastically

3. Women often "let themselves go" after they have you trapped in a marriage so her body isn't even as sexy as it was before

Etc, etc, etc

All of these guys I've talked to are miserable and one even talked about being cheated on by a past wife and then remarried another woman who physically attacks him and throws appliances, pots and pans at him . This is why being black pilled is better than being blue pilled, despite how much you think you are "suffering mentally" because you know the truth, it will prevent you from making stupid decision in the future

I think this thread right here is very relevant to that point:

[Hard To Swallow Edition] Ascension For Most Men Is A Matter Of Time, Not A Matter Of Effort (The Danger Of "Standards Attrition")

I have made a few threads on "ascension" before This one is my favorite, as its very detailed and shows how at every stage of your ascension you have more trials to face where if you fail you lose everything...

incels.is

Most of you think none of this is going to matter because "I'm unattractive" well you seem to be forgetting that women are getting off the cock carousel and willing to settle for guys like us, and in a state of desperation many of you are very likely to say yes, especially since a lot of you are keeping yourself virgins and avoiding prostitution, the temptation is going to be even stronger for those guys


SERIOUSLY, WHAT IS THIS "ASCENSION" SHIT I KEEP SEEING INCELS TALKING ABOUT?

IT DOES NOT EXIST

There is nothing waiting for you in the magical "normie world" that you guys keep obsessing about, and you don't know that BECAUSE YOU KEEP LIVING OUT YOUR LIFE IN THE "MEME WORLD" RATHER THAN IN ACTUAL REALITY

MOST MEN ARE PRETTY MUCH IN "SEXLESS" RELATIONSHIPS TO BEGIN WITH


LET ME GUESS, YOU GUYS PLAN TO PUMP AND DUMP, RIGHT?


Good luck with that

 

[Deleted member 35681]

Interesting stuff bro but some of us don't want/can't pay for sex. And why would I pay money to fuck? The girl probably had 20 dicks in her and that's fucking cuck material.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Interesting stuff bro but some of us don't want/can't pay for sex.

"Don't want to" is not a valid excuse, its not logical, one has to choose from their options available, by your logic women can just say "I don't want to fuck within my league" and I guess hypergamy isn't a bad thing now and is completely valid, what one wants has nothing to do with anything

"Can't" is a valid excuse, I assume to mean the risk due to legality and/or the cost. That's completely understandable. However there's nothing stopping you from working on changing your financial situation over the years so that you can

My "sex life" pretty much isn't going to start until I'm 30+ and wealthmaxxed, I've come to terms with that and accepted what I'll have to do. We all pretty much have a decade plus to try to get to that point

And why would I pay money to fuck? The girl probably had 20 dicks in her and that's fucking cuck material.

Would you date the average woman today?, if so how do you not see the contradiction

You'd pay all the expenses for a date for a woman who has had 20 dicks in her over the course of 3 years, but if she had those 20 dicks in her over the course of 3 days all of a sudden its cucked?

How is it not cucked to date any woman that isn't a virgin?

Whats worse too is that when you date, you are GAMBLING for a chance to fuck used up pussy, at least if you pay directly the sex is guaranteed

 

[bignose]

excelent post bro, want or not, prostitution is the only way for us, and "ascension " is a hidden prostitution, only with less sex hahaha

 

[Deleted member 35681]

"Don't want to" is not a valid excuse, its not logical, one has to choose from their options available, by your logic women can just say "I don't want to fuck within my league" and I guess hypergamy isn't a bad thing now and is completely valid, what one wants has nothing to do with anything

"Can't" is a valid excuse, I assume to mean the risk due to legality and/or the cost. That's completely understandable. However there's nothing stopping you from working on changing your financial situation over the years so that you can

My "sex life" pretty much isn't going to start until I'm 30+ and wealthmaxxed, I've come to terms with that and accepted what I'll have to do. We all pretty much have a decade plus to try to get to that point


Would you date the average woman today?, if so how do you not see the contradiction

You'd pay all the expenses for a date for a woman who has had 20 dicks in her over the course of 3 years, but if she had those 20 dicks in her over the course of 3 days all of a sudden its cucked?

How is it not cucked to date any woman that isn't a virgin?

Whats worse too is that when you date, you are GAMBLING for a chance to fuck used up pussy, at least if you pay directly the sex is guaranteed

Valid points. I guess it's something I will consider in the future when I actually start moneybuxxing.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Valid points. I guess it's something I will consider in the future when I actually start moneybuxxing.

JFL @ "moneybuxxing", that's a new one

 

[Deleted member 35681]

JFL @ "moneybuxxing", that's a new one

wtf I meant to say moneymaxxing holy fuck.

 

[Paranoidcel]

The younger guys (20's) that I talked to seem to only really have sex around once or twice a week

Cope thread, this proves nothing, it's just an anecdote. Other than this you didn't even list any ages and the number of times they have sex, obviously a middle age couple will have sex less because of lower sex drive. If you only included teen/20s couples the number of times they have sex will be far higher than this.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Cope thread, this proves nothing, it's just an anecdote

I literally linked to supporting stats below that line, what the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Babica Yaga]

Ascending is not just about having sex. If I wanted "just sex" I'd go and see prostitutes. What I want is to have kids and a family before I turn 35, eventually grow old with this person, and secure that my progeny and race lives on. I want the life like my grandparents enjoyed. However, this is extremely unrealistic today because of decades of degeneracy. [UWSL]You better make sure your girlfriend was a virgin before you met her, or else you're almost guaranteed to get d[/UWSL][UWSL]ivorce raped at 50.[/UWSL]

One to two times max seems accurate based on living with a sister that has a bf.

 

[Paranoidcel]

I literally linked to support stats below that line, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I literally linked to supporting stats below that line, what the fuck is wrong with you?

"People under 30 have sex 112 times a year on average (over twice a week), but that frequency declines to 86 times a year among 30-39 year-olds, 69 times annually for those aged 40-49, and roughly 52 times yearly for couples in their fifties and beyond, according to research conducted at the Kinsey Institute in Indiana."

Dude did you even click on your "stats", your link literally proves me correct. 112 times is a lot and if you take out the late 20s couples the number will be higher, probably a large percentage of the couples are obese and overweight, and they physically can't have sex as much because of low stamina, so if you take out those then the number is even higher, even 7 times a week.
Also if you take out 20s+ the teen normies are having sex a lot more, so overall your coping thread doesn't even prove anything FFS, the average male is still having a good sex life.

 

[NorthernWind]

Its because West is too puritanical and civilized. I have read in Russia ( and probably on Orthodox forum ) one young couple had sex 7 times per day. This is obviously true for all Eastern South-eastern Europe.

 

[cucksaar]

Once a week seems accurate tbh

 

[Deleted member 3385]

Even the worst normie marriage I know is better than the crippling touchless isolation I live In

 

[Deleted member 35171]

Sometimes I daydream about being a normie doing normie shit wirh my imaginary normie girlfriend/friends.
Then when I actually think about it logically I realize a how boring normie lives actually are. Would I really enjoy going places with normies? Having convos with normies? Listening or dancing to their normie music? Getting high/drunk or partying? etc etc? Fuck no.
Society really does brainwash you to think you need things you don't need.

 

[BlkPillPres]

112 times is a lot and if you take out the late 20s couples the number will be higher, probably a large percentage of the couples are obese and overweight, and they physically can't have sex as much because of low stamina, so if you take out those then the number is even higher, even 7 times a week.

That would just be you excessively extrapolating from it, also JFL @ 7 times a week, maybe you aren't taking out the rich couples that don't have to work

Also if you take out 20s+ the teen normies are having sex a lot more, so overall your coping thread doesn't even prove anything FFS

The average age for losing virginity for males and females is around 17, so saying "take out 20's" is negligible

the average male is still having a good sex life.

How does that relate to you a below average male?

Lets not forget that these stats were for 2017 to 2019, pair that up with the recent studies showing an increase in male sexlessness, and the very concept of "average" (good enough) is being challenged by the female collective as the years go on

 

[Justdone]

They’ll have sex twice a week and if she loves him she’ll eat his ass. The average male probably watches a lot more porn than the average woman but the woman watches more porn around stereotypes that plays a role in the man she chooses due to recent things in history giving them more choosing power

 

[Deleted member 35681]

Sometimes I daydream about being a normie doing normie shit wirh my imaginary normie girlfriend/friends.
Then when I actually think about it logically I realize a how boring normie lives actually are. Would I really enjoy going places with normies? Having convos with normies? Listening or dancing to their normie music? Getting high/drunk or partying? etc etc? Fuck no.
Society really does brainwash you to think you need things you don't need.

Your right. Normies just keep wanting more and more and cope with drugs until they're dead. Not a life worth living.

 

[BlkPillPres]

They’ll have sex twice a week and if she loves him she’ll eat his ass. The average male probably watches a lot more porn than the average woman but the woman watches more porn around stereotypes that plays a role in the man she chooses due to recent things in history giving them more choosing power

A lot guys are I'm sure are being asked to "introduce toys" into their "sex life"

Once it gets to that point your relationship is basically over, you're going to get cucked

 

[Justdone]

A lot guys are I'm sure are being asked to "introduce toys" into their "sex life"

Once it gets to that point your relationship is basically over, you're going to get cucked

Toys are just a way to justify them saying they don’t satisfy them why would a guy choose and use a dilldo on a woman knowing the woman will like use it better on themselves anyway

 

[Lifeisbullshit95]

One of my favorite poster is back

 

[highinhibition]

Good read but sex once a week is enough to not feel mental anguish do you think it is possible for incels to focus so hard on career that sex becomes not the main interest anymore?

Ascending is not just about having sex. If I wanted "just sex" I'd go and see prostitutes. What I want is to have kids and a family before I turn 35, eventually grow old with this person, and secure that my progeny and race lives on. I want the life like my grandparents enjoyed. However, this is extremely unrealistic today because of decades of degeneracy. [UWSL]You better make sure your girlfriend was a virgin before you met her, or else you're almost guaranteed to get d[/UWSL][UWSL]ivorce raped at 50.[/UWSL]

One to two times max seems accurate based on living with a sister that has a bf.

do you think Scarface is an example of degenarcy?

 

[slavcel11]

Well what If 1-2 times a week is enough? I don't know since I've never touched a woman. Relationships is more than just sex, but it still comes down to some form of interaction between you as a man and her as a woman, not some sort of same-minded individuals. Feelling yourself comfortable near a woman, touching a woman, speaking to a woman etc etc. It's your new social circle, more people to talk to, more stuff going on in your life, etc etc. I know foids make shit friends/listeners/people, but just don't expect her to be of help at any time, just treat her like a woman -- a nice hole to plow, a filthy foid mouth that's not going to shut up (ignore her when you don't feel like listening to her rubbish), a nice ass to slap, etc. Treat her like a foid, that is a function of her hole, nothing more, nothing less. If you expect to find a human who cares about you, who is there for you ready to help, who will cheer you up when you're down etc etc chances are you'll get wrecked emotionally and end up in the rope like all those normies who had false expectations of what a foid is for a man.

 

[Deleted member 23634]

it depends on your looks level tho. if you are a complete subhuman 2/10, yea your girlfriend will probably avoid sex and find excuses. but if you are a normie 5/10 and mog her looks wise, you will get sex more often. My advice would be to looksmax as much as possbile and moneymax at the same time. i would rather spend money improving my face than on escorts, since long term it will help me more.

 

[BlkPillPres]

secure that my progeny and race lives on.

Dude, you are not part of your race lol. Your race lives on even if you die at this very moment, and 100000 years from now your race will be dead whether you reproduce or not, because pretty much everybody will be mixed.(nothing that you think matters even matters)

You aren't a part of the equation, that's what so many race obsessed incels don't seem to get, they keep trying to insert themselves into the "story" because they can't accept that they aren't a protagonist, they are a background character

The fact that you said "race lives on" shows how deluded you are, as if you are required for that to happen, and your race doesn't consider any children you have "progeny", it considers them defects, that's why you haven't gotten a woman yet, your race doesn't want you

You are not part of the story

Good read but sex once a week is enough to not feel mental anguish do you think it is possible for incels to focus so hard on career that sex becomes not the main interest anymore?

IDK about you but I have a lot of lost time to make up for, why the hell would you work hard and put in all this effort to "ascend" only to now be limited by ONE WOMAN and only have sex ONCE PER WEEK

You are just screwing yourself over at that point

 

[Babica Yaga]

Dude, you are not part of your race lol. Your race lives on even if you die at this very moment, and 100000 years from now your race will be dead whether you reproduce or not, because pretty much everybody will be mixed.(nothing that you think matters even matters)

You aren't a part of the equation, that's what so many race obsessed incels don't seem to get, they keep trying to insert themselves into the "story" because they can't accept that they aren't a protagonist, they are a background character

The fact that you said "race lives on" shows how deluded you are, as if you are required for that to happen, and your race doesn't consider any children you have "progeny", it considers them defects, that's why you haven't gotten a woman yet, your race doesn't want you

You are not part of the story

My grandparents were part of the story. I share their DNA and therefore that gives me the right to continue their story. Now just because some Jews decided they don't want that, it does not mean I will bow to their plan. Nor does it imply that the white race has casted me out. They have been brainwashed by this evil satanic power from birth, but this will not continue for long anymore given everything that is happening around the world.

With regards to "defect", what is your definition of defect, exactly? I'm just assuming you define "defect" as conventionally unattractive according to generally touted blackpill philosophy, ie about <4/10 in the face and <180cm. You cannot deny that genetic recombination is weird. Conventionally unattractive parents can produce good looking children who are also often (significantly) taller than themselves.

do you think Scarface is an example of degenarcy?

What do you mean? The story itself or? A life of snorting cocaine and k. people is not a particularly fulfilling life, is it? In BlkPillPiss' eyes it probably is, seeing as he's a megalomaniac and psychopath. Probably sees Tony Montana as his role model. No wonder why this nigger is so obsessed with his wealthmaxxing fantasy. If I remember correctly (I watched the movie a while ago) at the end Tony got mad because his wife was a junkie, and moreover couldn't have kids with him since she turned out to be infertile. So what value has all that snorting cocaine and fucking hookers brought him in the end? Nothing.

 

[Tenshi]

I will abstain from telling details but I actually had an experience where I heard from the horse's mouth about this reality. Not sure if thats true because foids are always lying so idk, but for sure this is a thing for a lot if not most relationships.

Dude, you are not part of your race lol. Your race lives on even if you die at this very moment, and 100000 years from now your race will be dead whether you reproduce or not, because pretty much everybody will be mixed.(nothing that you think matters even matters)

You aren't a part of the equation, that's what so many race obsessed incels don't seem to get, they keep trying to insert themselves into the "story" because they can't accept that they aren't a protagonist, they are a background character

The fact that you said "race lives on" shows how deluded you are, as if you are required for that to happen, and your race doesn't consider any children you have "progeny", it considers them defects, that's why you haven't gotten a woman yet, your race doesn't want you

You are not part of the story

race is a pretty vague concept itself in the way "average" people understand it. Is race specifically a group of similar phenotypes shared by a specific population? We don't even know how many variations of "races" we had in the past, in fact if you went back as early as 10.000 chances are people were you live would be totally different. Which doesn't mean they weren't related to modern people at all, because these populations were in constant contact exchanging their traits (supposedly unique) to each other, in fact to this day we're all related since it couldn't be otherwiseas we are all part of the same species. Which bring us to another point, does it even matter anyway?

In the future we don't even know if the races we have today will be there, in fact our species is probably be extinct in a few million years, maybe earlier, a blink of an eye in an evolutionary perspective. And even if we didn't, does it matter? Our solar system will be destroyed in a billion years probably.

Holding on to these vague concepts like race, nationalism and all these kinds of group (i.e sheep) mentality is moronic, imo. You will die anyways, it doesn't matter.

 

[Fat Link]

Probably the best post you’ve ever made BPP.

Good job.

I voted twice a week btw as it’s the most common number that I’ve heard normies toss around about this during my life.

That said while I don’t necessarily agree with the all of us should go buck wild on prostitutes thing I do see your reasoning for it and hey if someone is a richcel or good at haggling/bartering down prices and lives in an area where this is either legal or they know they could get away with it if it’s not then have at it I guess.

Anyway BPP the last thing that I have to offer you on this topic is the reason you probably won’t be able to sell this idea to a lot of guys or at least not right away is that I believe many of us just wanted to be society’s idea of normal ie live normal and have a normal life even if that entails getting a virtually sexless or scraps of sex relationship.

It’s a tribal passage kind of desire most guys simply cannot break free of and probably to their detriment.

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

Didn't read yet, but my normie neighbour NEET couple (no betabux at all) now has sex every day, twice intercourse (separated by 6 hours) a day, more other forms of sex. Then they can go 2-3 weeks that I don't hear them having sex. I quite often hear the woman reject ("LOPETA!!!") the man's initiations. Then they can have sex later in the day or the next day.

So in real couples (long-term relations) it can vary A LOT.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Didn't read yet, but my normie neighbour NEET couple (no betabux at all) now has sex every day, twice intercourse (separated by 6 hours) a day, more other forms of sex. Then they can go 2-3 weeks that I don't hear them having sex. I quite often hear the woman reject ("LOPETA!!!") the man's initiations. Then they can have sex later in the day or the next day.

So in real couples (long-term relations) it can vary A LOT.

They are a NEET couple (home all day)

Either way, why the fuck are you even focusing on them this much, what kinda cuck shit is this?

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

"

How Often Do You Think An Average Looking Male In A Relationship Has Sex?​

"

This is stupid and ridiculous. It is not determined by the looks of the man. If he is in a genuine relationship, then it is about the libidos of both and the stress and time and opportunity to have sex (children not intervening).

 

[BlkPillPres]

It is not determined by the looks of the man. If he is in a genuine relationship

You are making a really ridiculous argument here based on "exception to the rule" bullshit

Its like you're saying - "If a woman isn't REALLY attracted to you physically then the relationship isn't genuine"

In other words - "Only Chadlite and above have "genuine" relationships", because guess what, the average woman is not really attracted to the average man, some women just settle because they "want to be in a relationship" or "that's the best they can get"

As much as women want to fuck the top 20% of men, they all want to get married and there aren't enough hot guys to go around, so most women are going to have to settle for what they can get later in life

If you don't really excite the woman you are with then you will be barely having sex, but if she's aroused by you she will sometimes initiate sex

How often do you think an average male has sex initiated by his female partner?

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

They are a NEET couple (home all day)

Either way, why the fuck are you even focusing on them this much, what kinda cuck shit is this?

Yes, they wake up often at mid-day or later in the afternoon. I hear them talking and their steps all day long.

Because I hear them having sex now every day, even more than once a day. And it is a very brutal experience. I can hear them well if they have sex on the bed. Have you had this experience? And this has lasted a long time now. You don't want to publicly tell your age (can you PM it?), but for wizards I think it is crushing having to endure hearing real loving couple have sex all the time. When I last time heard couple having regular sex, it was over a decade ago and I wasn't that crushed by it.

You are making a really ridiculous argument here based on "exception to the rule" bullshit

I am not making any arguments yet, I have not read anything other than the title and not even answered the poll (that I also read of course). I read when I can. I just wrote what an actual, real (long-term) couple verifiable does and does not. And how often. The answer was: it depends greatly. Varies a lot. Mostly based on the woman's things, men are usually ready to have sex when the woman is willing.

In other words - "Only Chadlite and above have "genuine" relationships", because guess what, the average woman is not really attracted to the average man, some women just settle because they "want to be in a relationship" or "that's the best they can get"

Its like you're saying - "If a woman isn't REALLY attracted to you physically then the relationship isn't genuine"

Yes. The woman I hear orgasming is physically attracted to her man. And it is brutal to hear them having passionate, genuine, non-paid sex, trust me.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Yes, they wake up often at mid-day or later in the afternoon. I hear them talking and their steps all day long.

Because I hear them having sex now every day, even more than once a day. And it is a very brutal experience. I can hear them well if they have sex on the bed. Have you had this experience? And this has lasted a long time now. You don't want to publicly tell your age (can you PM it?), but for wizards I think it is crushing having to endure hearing real loving couple have sex all the time. When I last time heard couple having regular sex, it was over a decade ago and I wasn't that crushed by it.

I am not making any arguments yet, I have not read anything other than the title and not even answered the poll (that I also read of course). I read when I can. I just wrote what an actual, real (long-term) couple verifiable does and does not. And how often. The answer was: it depends greatly. Varies a lot. Mostly based on the woman's things, men are usually ready to have sex when the woman is willing.


Yes. The woman I hear orgasming is physically attracted to her man. And it is brutal to hear them having passionate, genuine, non-paid sex, trust me.

The walls can't be THAT thin, and if they are, why don't you just leave?

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

If you don't really excite the woman you are with then you will be barely having sex

That is true in some countries, but in some others, like Jordan, the concept of consent in marriage does not exist, heck, even in Finland only in recent time a rape in marriage was made punishable. In the past you could have sex as often as you liked in marriage.

 

[BlkPillPres]

That is true in some countries, but in some others, like Jordan, the concept of consent in marriage does not exist, heck, even in Finland only in recent time a rape in marriage was made punishable. In the past you could have sex as often as you liked in marriage.

That's a red herring because this thread is about western society and includes stats attained from said society, it has nothing to do with what would be taking place in a place like Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic state (which I actually might consider moving to if I thought about "virgin wifemaxxing")

 

[Subhuman Niceguy]

Do you expect me to believe that most foids are under-sexed? There are like eight different Planned Parenthood locations in my city alone. Foids are getting fucked like there is no tomorrow, just look at all the brat kids they shit out.

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

The walls can't be THAT thin, and if they are, why don't you just leave?

They are above me, 2 – 3 metres from me. I can hear a lot, when they are in bed. Leave where? Sometimes I leave (for the nearby forest to cry, but if it is not middle of the night, there are people outside, so I don't want to leave home), but when I hear them having sex, is too late to leave already. Actually I want to leave totally – that is, fall asleep before they usually have sex, but the problem recently is that they have sex early in the evening or even in the middle of the day. Today I was woken by their sex! I literally was woken up today at 3AM because they were having sex. And had to wait until 10 PM before going to bed, because they were having sex at around 9:20 PM (21:20, started a bit earlier): https://incels.is/threads/my-neigbours-have-had-coitus-now-for-13-minutes.304629/page-2#post-7029368 and I am not going to bed while they have sex, no matter how tired I am. I slept way too little. My other neighbour's dog is also barking at nights (and day), so that also can prevent sleeping. (a lot of typos and mistakes, I watch the Olympic cycling at the sime time while very tided and trying to disturb my neigbours.)

That's a red herring because this thread is about western society and includes stats attained from said society, it has nothing to do with what would be taking place in a place like Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic state (which I actually might consider moving to if I thought about "virgin wifemaxxing")

Like I said, I have not yet read this thread at all:

I am not making any arguments yet, I have not read anything other than the title and not even answered the poll (that I also read of course). I read when I can.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Do you expect me to believe that most foids are under-sexed? There are like eight different Planned Parenthood locations in my city alone. Foids are getting fucked like there is no tomorrow, just look at all the brat kids they shit out.

Oh no, its not the foids that are undersexed, its the sex WITHIN THAT RELATIONSHIP that is occurring at a low rate lol

Most relationships these days are pretty much open relationships, pretty much every guy I've ever talked to has said - "You have to expect to be cheated on at some point"

That shit blew me away, I am never dating, this shit has become too normalized

 

[Subhuman Niceguy]

I see what you mean. Foids are getting worse bro.

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

2 arguments at least why going for prostitutes only and shunning normal relationships is not the solution:

• I look at one big location in Finland, about 20 escorts: not a single one offers kissing and all the escorts very strictly define their "services". Many services listed are extras (that need to be asked about in the phone). This kind of "sex" is not real sex, where kissing, fingering, touching etc. are always possible, not to mention without condom and without time limits.
• for many the pain of not having children is equal to being incel

And let's remember than if one does not live in at least medium-sized city, there simply aren't escorts to fuck!

The poll is impossible to answer: it depends very much on age; very good looking man is having sex 0 times a week in certain age, where he can maybe even not get erections any more or is not interested, while young couples have sex more often than middle-aged. Also, very important is all the intimacy without actual sex; kissing and touching when coming home from work, going to bed to sleep, not having sex, but lying close together. Science knows that one sleeps better when not sleeping alone. Hearing real couple having sex and hearing their normal life is making me less inclined to go for escorts.
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One thing to remember also: even once a week is more than the average man can afford to fuck escorts (250 euros is the typical cost here). 4 times per month is 1000 euros per month, which the average man does NOT have in extra spending if he wanted to shun relationships and just fuck escorts. If one betabuxxes for 500 euros a month and gets sex twice a week, that is already a better deal.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I look at one big location in Finland, about 20 escorts: not a single one offers kissing and all the escorts very strictly define their "services". Many services listed are extras (that need to be asked about in the phone). This kind of "sex" is not real sex, where kissing, fingering, touching etc. are always possible, not to mention without condom and without time limits.

You can just fuck regular prostitutes too, also, I only fucked "whatever was available" in my country to lose my virginity, that was my sole goal, I only did it once and I don't plan on doing it again until I am "wealthmaxxed" and can afford to travel to other countries where you can easily get all the things you listed (like SEA countries)

for many the pain of not having children is equal to being incel

What I think a lot of incels don't get is that we aren't average or above average men, and that means things come at an extra cost to us, having money is very important in our case and a lot of the things we want in life will have to be purchased, that's why wealthmaxxing is so important

You can move to the right country and be able to donate sperm (in some countries there isn't a height requirement) or you can grease a few palms (bribe) and get your sperm into a sperm bank and at the top of a list

Or you can pay a surrogate to carry your child to term (that's like 50K+), preferably you'd choose a tall woman so your son doesn't go through the shit you did

Etc

Incels need to understand that we will have to take expensive alternative paths to get the things that are "normie" in nature, you don't just get to "have children", we have to be realistic about our situation

Even as a man who plans on never having children I will probably still go donate to a few sperm banks at some point just for the heck of it

As low tier males we have to exploit loopholes, you can't follow the beaten path

And let's remember than if one does not live in at least medium-sized city, there simply aren't escorts to fuck!

There's always a ton of prostitutes, and there has to be a brothel somewhere dude. Ever think that you just don't know where all the outlets are?

Also, very important is all the intimacy without actual sex; kissing and touching when coming home from work, going to bed to sleep, not having sex, but lying close together. Science knows that one sleeps better when not sleeping alone.

You are never going to get that though so your logic here doesn't make sense, are you just going to "do without" then?

Incels never apply this ridiculous absolutist logic to anything else (but you always apply it to sex and relationships)

Its like saying because some people live in mansions you'd rather be homeless than live in a small house or an apartment. It doesn't make sense, not everybody is going to have all the basic options in life available to them, one has to choose from the best options available

IN FACT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE

Hearing real couple having sex and hearing their normal life is making me less inclined to go for escorts.

You haven't heard a man fucking an escort have you? lol (so you've only heard one side).

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

You can just fuck regular prostitutes too

We don't have any other prostitutes! I have said this many times. My location does not even have escorts majority of the time. No street hookers at all in Finland, everything is on the Internet these days. Except one restaurant in Helsinki, which has exactly the same prices (200 euros per hour is the minimum for Russian whores/escorts/hookers/whatever you want to call them). Then you say that leave the country, but let's be real; most people, let alone incels, will never be able to do that. Yes, if I ever visit other places, I will definitely fuck prostitutes. Like for 30 euros in Poland etc.

Or you can pay a surrogate to carry your child to term (that's like 50K+)

Costs much less in Ukraine. (I've actually researched this many years ago already)

having money is very important in our case and a lot of the things we want in life will have to be purchased, that's why wealthmaxxing is so important

I completely agree. (also, I am super handicapped in that regard also, because autism and not high IQ enough for programming wizard nomad)

There's always a ton of prostitutes, and there has to be a brothel somewhere dude. Ever think that you just don't know where all the outlets are?

There are actually much more prostitutes in the USA, even when it is illegal there. Cheaper also, despite higher wages. Why? The incentives to work are much higher in the USA. (the Nordic countries in fact have the highest employment-to-population ratios in the world despite good social safety net). Brothels are illegal and do not exist here. We don't have any gangs etc. that would be in that business. I guess one could try offering money on regular dating sites to students. I know all the things there are in my vicinity. Instead of brotherls, we have Romanian and Moldovan forced and pimped prostitutes that advertise on the escort sites and have the same prices than all the others. The prices here are clearly fixed and the actors have formed a pussy cartel (at least 100 euros for 30 minutes and 200 euros for 1 hour).

You are never going to get that though so your logic here doesn't make sense

You are saying that normies/incels betabuxxing don't sleep in the same bed with their girlfriends/wives? Even the most betabux man sleeps with her wife on the same (if not loud snoring) bed and can touch her boobs and even pussy whenever he wants (but gets then refused sex often and hand taken away from the pussy ("not now!" "stop!" etc.).

This was not about me, but what normies should do; shun trying to get normal relationships altogether for prostitutes or not!!

I am a trucel and can't even betabuxx. Really, if I could, I would.

You haven't heard a man fucking an escort have you? lol (so you've only heard one side).

Not in real life, only in some videos (real window prostitutes in Amsterdam. There's a site which does videos on people who they pay to fuck Amsterdam window hookers and they film it.) What one side? Anyway, I can go test it myself, it's not a big deal, but I can never be satisfied fucking only escorts/hookers. I'll go fuck an escort soon, will report to you how I liked it. It's about the practicalities; the selection here is negligible and I'd want one that I can kiss, but only costs the standard price and does GFE. I was very close to fucking one in February, but she never replied back to me, I would have gone otherwise.

 

[Solitude138]

We don't have any other prostitutes! I have said this many times. My location does not even have escorts majority of the time. No street hookers at all in Finland, everything is on the Internet these days. Except one restaurant in Helsinki, which has exactly the same prices (200 euros per hour is the minimum for Russian whores/escorts/hookers/whatever you want to call them). Then you say that leave the country, but let's be real; most people, let alone incels, will never be able to do that. Yes, if I ever visit other places, I will definitely fuck prostitutes. Like for 30 euros in Poland etc.


Costs much less in Ukraine. (I've actually researched this many years ago already)


I completely agree. (also, I am super handicapped in that regard also, because autism and not high IQ enough for programming wizard nomad)


There are actually much more prostitutes in the USA, even when it is illegal there. Cheaper also, despite higher wages. Why? The incentives to work are much higher in the USA. (the Nordic countries in fact have the highest employment-to-population ratios in the world despite good social safety net). Brothels are illegal and do not exist here. We don't have any gangs etc. that would be in that business. I guess one could try offering money on regular dating sites to students. I know all the things there are in my vicinity. Instead of brotherls, we have Romanian and Moldovan forced and pimped prostitutes that advertise on the escort sites and have the same prices than all the others. The prices here are clearly fixed and the actors have formed a pussy cartel (at least 100 euros for 30 minutes and 200 euros for 1 hour).


You are saying that normies/incels betabuxxing don't sleep in the same bed with their girlfriends/wives? Even the most betabux man sleeps with her wife on the same (if not loud snoring) bed and can touch her boobs and even pussy whenever he wants (but gets then refused sex often and hand taken away from the pussy ("not now!" "stop!" etc.).

This was not about me, but what normies should do; shun trying to get normal relationships altogether for prostitutes or not!!

I am a trucel and can't even betabuxx. Really, if I could, I would.


Not in real life, only in some videos (real window prostitutes in Amsterdam. There's a site which does videos on people who they pay to fuck Amsterdam window hookers and they film it.) What one side? Anyway, I can go test it myself, it's not a big deal, but I can never be satisfied fucking only escorts/hookers. I'll go fuck an escort soon, will report to you how I liked it. It's about the practicalities; the selection here is negligible and I'd want one that I can kiss, but only costs the standard price and does GFE. I was very close to fucking one in February, but she never replied back to me, I would have gone otherwise.

Many prostitutes (for some obscure reason) simply just don't take virginity. Choose your escort wisely because she may deceive you (probably less likely if you have discussed all the details in advance over the phone). Especially if you want a REAL KISS, arrange the details of that kiss in advance, and the chance is still high that it will be only a fake kiss on your lips only.
If you also live in a country where prostitution is legal, still try to behave like a normie, and here, by normie, I also mean "an average man".

Even it's legal, some related activities may not be (e.g. if they have a pimp (which might be illegal) they're loyal to, possible use of drugs/any illegal substance even by the prostitute itself or by her clients, maybe tax evasion, not giving you a bill etc.) it's worth to check your national regulation.

And as being a KHHV incel with a lot of inhibition, you will be different than the rest of her other clients, you may seem very rigid. Being an incel is unusual in itself for many prostitutes even if you tell her your whole desperate story, maybe she won't beleive you.

Try to avoid being considered as any type of law enforcement officer (whether if it's police or any other authority e.g. tax), otherwise you might be treated as such. And your first sex experiance will be like what a weird guy should get from a suspicious escort who will also behave weird, even for any other reason than the above.

So when you visit one, DON'T think about your LOOKS!

In my opinion, they don't care about your looks that much, THE THING THEY CARE IS YOUR ATTITUDE!

If you pretend to be a normie, you communicate like a normie, you will receive which a normie would receive. If not, you may get which any kinda weirdo (I don't mean incels here) would get in case of any service which bases on personal contact/intercourse (imagine any possible situation in life you can).

However your first EXPERIENCE will be only your's, ofc idk what will it be like.

I wish you gl with your first one and wish you rly the best in general.

The is a bitter one in itself, but BlkPillPres is definitely right about that we have CHOICE and also CONTROL over how we look at our opportunities in our lives, which we gotta admit that we have. Less than others' have, but sometimes more than an other person might have, everyone's situation is individual.

It hurts AF for me too, the pain of inceldom seems endless . Try to figure out your own ways to cope, I still beleive that everyone's life can be more than just suffering...

 

[Deleted member 33986]

Normie men are never in relationships just for the sex, it's more of a status thing. Even then, 54 times a year sounds like a pretty good deal and not a sexless relationship, compared to nothing or blowing your money on some whore every time you want to have sex. You're not gonna be seeing her every day and have to work and do other stuff during the week. There's also the problem couples face after having had sex for so long, they get tired of each other, women cheat, and men fuck whores and cheat because of it. None of this is a problem for incels because they can't be in a relationship to begin and I know the majority of users here don't want just sex from a woman but like normie men they desire to be accepted into society and live the life of a couple, that's why whores are of help but not the solution.

 

[Deleted member 31630]

where women work and get "tired" from their "work life", they have even more excuses to reject the sexual advances of some guy that they are only "kinda attracted to" (because he's average).

This part got me hard.
i am even afraid to, by some miracle of a chance, get a gf or wife or whatever because i know that she is only settling for me. She isn’t really attracted to me

 

[BlkPillPres]

This part got me hard.
i am even afraid to, by some miracle of a chance, get a gf or wife or whatever because i know that she is only settling for me. She isn’t really attracted to me

Its one of the main reasons I don't see any point in dating or marriage anymore

In the past women were always settling when it came to physical attraction, because since they couldn't work and own property they had to depend on a man, so every single man was attractive from the perspective of finances

Now today when your wife can work and own property too, there is a greater incentive for her to divorce you, take your wealth, and go chasing after Chad dick

Only someone who is naive would bother dating in this day and age

BUT ONLY A DELUSIONAL IDIOT WOULD GET MARRIED IN THIS DAY AND AGE

 

[Deleted member 31630]

Now today when your wife can work and own property too, there is a greater incentive for her to divorce you, take your wealth, and go chasing after Chad dick

This needs to be understood by everyone here! People! Read this!

knowing this can save you A LOT of grief in the future..

 

[ezio6]

Bump

 

[Sheogorath]

How Often Do You Think An Average Looking Male In A Relationship Has Sex?​

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I didn't vote in this poll because there was no result less frequent than weekly.

I'm guessing the true average is monthly.