Blackpill [Hard To Swallow Edition] Indicators Of A Blue Piller In Denial

[BlkPillPres]

This thread is very related to this one:

Many Incels/Black Pillers Alike Are Suffering With Vestigial Bluepill Syndrome (VBS)?

What is this ailment might you ask, look here: A lot of these guys here haven't truly accepted they are incel, they are still very blue pilled, they are playing around with the black pill in their mouth, tasting it but never willing to swallow, how the hell can you be black pilled and still...

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There are many so called black pillers on this site that are still very blue pilled, and I call this VBS (Vestigial Blue pill Syndrome)

Here are what I have noticed are the indicators of a so called black piller, that is actually still blue pilled:

ZERO is the highest level of blue pill, the lower the number, the less blue pilled the person is

0. (reserved for the most elite of the blue pilled)
Has fallen for various societal memes that have been indoctrinated into them via the cultural value systems

"Hard work is virtuous, one should take pride in the fact that they are a hard worker"
"You can only truly enjoy things that you exerted effort to attain"
"I deserve X or I don't deserve X" (believes in the concept of deserving things)
"Its not the destination that matters, its the journey"
"Morality is objective"
Etc

Most men who have this "rank 0 affliction" of the blue pill, will more likely than not have many or all of the ones below

1. Not nihilistic

2. Values female validation over sex

3. Refuses to pay for sex for moral and/or ego based reasons

4. Values female validation period, but not more than sex

5. Is religious (actually believing in a religion) as opposed to religionmaxxing (merely using religious affiliation as a tool to achieve specified goals)

6. "Most all women are X.... except <insert female family member>, they are exempt since they have treated me nicely in some situations"

7. Knows that getting a GF is the easiest part of ascension yet still wants to do it knowing what awaits him

8. Thinks getting a GF is the hardest part of ascension

Etc, etc, these are just the cliche ones that come to mind that I see reoccuring a lot on the site, seriously there's some kind of blue pill plague spreading within the site, blue pillers are becoming bolder and braver, and saying shit out in the open they definitely would not have said on the site in its early days.

I literally can't imagine seeing some of the posts I see today, in the days when I first arrived, there was a lot of strict gate keeping, and that was a good thing, all you'd see were high IQ threads that were very interesting and actual discussions took place.

This new trend I'm seeing reminded me of the time when I told the mods that people should be banned for actively spreading blue pilled concepts (like female validation > sex), things that I mentioned above, and they said no, that would be too much policing, well look whats happening now, they allowed people to keep saying this shit and now its normalized and accepted, and many users are brazen enough to say blue pillled BS like this like they have no self awareness, even convincing themselves that they are black pilled while having these beliefs.

 

[Deleted member 8884]

High iq

 

[Deleted member 8353]

1. Not nihilistic

When you say nihilistic, do you mean existential nihilism, moral nihilism, or both? As I agree with the former, but don't subscribe to the latter. However that might just be an example of me being too passive and nice for my own good, despite the assertions of our detractors.

4. Values female validation period but not more than sex

I'm not sure this makes sense tbh. I can recognize that a foid's opinion is irrelevant, but still can't help from feeling bad about being unwanted. It's not a rational feeling, and I'm not sure it's entirely voluntary. That said, I care about it a lot less than I used to, due to a concerted effort.

I fully agree with the rest though.

 

[Deleted member 2686]

"Hard work is virtuous, one should take pride in the fact that they are a hard worker"

Does this apply to all things in life or just women

because ik women dgaf hardwork but I dont think there is anything wrong in priding oneself in their hard work

"You can only truly enjoy things that you exerted effort to attain"

tbh I think this is BS when it comes to relationships, whats the point of working to acquire a foid who will eventually cuck you anyways and is probably chad leftovers
I think its great for nonromantic shit tho tbh

"I deserve X or I don't deserve X" (believes in the concept of deserving things)

JFL you cant really "deserve" sex or pussy or foids because you will have to accept being cucked sometime now or later

"Its not the destination that matters, its the journey"

wtf?

"Morality is objective"

tbh I think it is varied tbh

one person's morality might be different than another

Idk where I would fall at this point

 

[seija]

Is it bad that I agree with only number three?

 

[BlkPillPres]

still can't help from feeling bad about being unwanted

Everybody feels bad because of that, I don't think that's what "valuing female validation" is about, just feeling bad doesn't mean you value it, if a bunch of random people gather around and start insult you, you are going to feel bad about it, even though those random people mean nothing to you. Its about chasing after it female validation, and having it determine the decisions you make that establishes you "value" it

For example, I'm pretty sure guys that escortcel, including myself, feel somewhat bad that they are undesired (well me not so much lol), but we still pay for sex with no qualms. While a man who values female validation will feel bad about paying for sex, or not do it at all, because he feels like the sex is "empty" or "worth less" because he did to gain it through female validation

you'll notice that a lot of blue pills are connected, this female validation blue pill is connected to the "zero rank blue pill", more specifically "believing in the concept of deserving things" and "you can only truly enjoy things that you exerted effort to attain"

I lot of blue pilled users on this site don't realize they are handicapping themselves with all these weird mental restrictions and limit their choices in life

Rank Zero is the killer, once you have that, it will pretty much make you take on all the other blue pills, because the rest logically follow from societal indoctrination

 

[StaroRavager]

I literally can't imagine seeing some of the posts I see today, in the days when I first arrived, there was a lot of strict gate keeping, and that was a good thing, all you'd see were high IQ threads that were very interesting and actual discussions took place.

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[BlkPillPres]

Is it bad that I agree with only number three?

If you have #3 you likely also have #2, so I'm confused as to what you mean, the ego part of not wanting to pay for sex, is staked in valuing female validation. So unless you are saying your opposition to paying for sex is strictly moral, then you also have #2

Also either way if you are opposed to it for moral reasons, then you aren't a true nihilist, so you also have #1, I hope you noticed how I designed the list, most of them are connected in some way, if you have a lower one, more likely than not its connected to one above it

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Everybody feels bad because of that, I don't think that's what "valuing female validation" is about, I think its about chasing after it, and having it determine the decisions you make

For example, I'm pretty sure guys that escortcel, including myself, feel somewhat bad that they are undesired (well me not so much lol), but we still pay for sex with no qualms. While a man who values female validation will feel bad about paying for sex, or not do it at all, because he feels like the sex is "empty" or "worth less" because he did to gain it through female validation

I see what you mean, and yeah, I'd agree that feeling bad about paying for sex is bluepilled. There are other reasons why one might not want to escortcel, but caring about the foid is a laughably cucked reason tbh.

you'll notice that a lot of blue pills are connected, this female validation blue pill is connected to the "zero rank blue pill", more specifically "believing in the concept of deserving things" and "you can only truly enjoy things that you exerted effort to attain"

The problem with the idea of "deserving" something, is that regardless of personal feelings, that's just not how the world operates. Success or failure has nothing to do with whether or not you "deserve" the outcome, but rather both how lucky and determined you are, this is also why the concept of a just world is entirely false.

 

[seija]

If you have #3 you likely also have #2, so I'm confused as to what you mean, the ego part of not wanting to pay for sex, is staked in valuing female validation. So unless you are saying your opposition to paying for sex is strictly moral, then you also have #2

Also either way if you are opposed to it for moral reasons, then you aren't a true nihilist, so you also have #1, I hope you noticed how I designed the list, most of them are connected in some way, if you have a lower one, more likely than not its connected to one above it

I personally don't care for female validation or sex anymore because of this fucking society, modern feminism and female hypergamy, I have personal hatred for most normalfags and foids. Theres no point to really trying or attempting to reach what is truly impossible. I'm personally not a true nihilist but I'm nihilist enough.

 

[Yungguy]

How do you propose newer users become more educated on the blackpill, I see some of the stuff you're saying but I don't think the users that are posting that stuff are intentionally spreading bluepilled ideas

 

[Deleted member 15737]

Promotion of Nihilism is a psyop to make you apathetic to (((their))) agenda.

 

[Ticcel]

When were you black pilled? How did your beliefs change after swallowing the black pill? I’m just curious.

 

[BlkPillPres]

When were you black pilled? How did your beliefs change after swallowing the black pill? I’m just curious.

A lot of different shit over many years at various intervals in my life, you could say I was drip fed the black pill and then at certain points in my life got large intravenous dosages lol

I got friendzoned around the age of 4 to 5, a few years later I got the "oh cute" rejection by a girl (she was way older, I was out of my league to be honest), and I also got black pilled about the importance of money to women on that day, summary below

Unlike some of you guys I got black pilled really early, unsure if these events affected me mentally or not, but kinda glad they happened, kept me from wasting my time and making bad decisions.

I was like 4 or 6, within that range (I know, kinda young to start liking girls but yeah that's me), there was this daughter of a male teacher (P.E Teacher) who would sometimes come to school, was probably 18 and up around that time, total stacey, beautiful. Me not having any concept of money (complete poorfag at the time), but still understanding that women liked gifts dug around my yard and found an old silver chain, cleaned it up in soap water, and was literally going to offer it to the girl (I know, completely oblivious)

When I was going to give it to her my older sister happened to be walking by, asked me what I was doing, and basically said that the chain isn't worth crap, and I needed something more expensive, pretty sure I felt like absolute shit at that moment (because I wasnt cold hearted at that time in my life) and realized that its not the thought that counts, and I didn't even have a chance.

I think later than same day, or some other time, I walked in on her and some other guys in a room making out, think they were taking turns with her, she was probably trying to "get back at her dad" or some shit. Think I remembered saying some lame shit like "i'll tell" and they just made fun of me, and she walked up and condescendingly patted me on the head, I remember one of the guys forcing me out of the room.

Shit was probably traumatic to me, only partial memories, and the beginning of the hardening of my heart, my introduction into the black pilled world came earlier than a lot of you, I also probably started liking girls way before a lot of you, 4 years old, not joking, still remember the name of the mixed asian chick I really liked. I was really short and cute looking (still have a "baby face", people often say I look way younger than I am) so the girls would often hug me and cuddle, I being naive thought it was a positive not know they didn't even see me as a choice for a mate, I was basically like that teddy bear girls have on their bed to go to sleep with.

From then on it was constant rejection after rejection from women, and more and more friendzoning, yet I kept wasting my time approaching, trying different ways to approach, swapping personality types, etc, nothing worked.

There was this trio of friends I was a part of, I thought it was going to be us against the world, I guess that was one of my copes, one of them killed themselves and the other is very blue pilled and I can't conceive of ever black pilling him, he is beyond help.

I started to realize that I was truly alone, not just in the aspect of romantic relationships, but even platonic relationships, nobody else seems to have the mental fortitude to think the way I do and accept that as a reality, at a certain point I just realized that me and only me can create the life I desire for myself and I can't include anyone else as having a "key role" in that plan, I have to live my life as though its just me, because you can't really depend on anyone but yourself

Promotion of Nihilism is a psyop to make you apathetic to (((their))) agenda.

No, clown world is a psyop to make people complacent, nihilism just means not placing value in all the norms that a pre-established, it doesn't mean that you accept them, in fact its the exact opposite of accepting the world around you, I think people all to often conflate nihilism with doing nothing and letting the world walk all over you, and that's false, its turn the other cheek moralfags who have that mindset, a nihilist, someone who believes that nothing is sacred, is more likely to do some extreme shit that someone who is chained my rules.

Nihilists have no rules because none of the rules matter to us, all that matters is the end goal

I don't think the users that are posting that stuff are intentionally spreading bluepilled ideas

Whether its intentional or not makes no difference, the end result is the same

If we knew without a doubt that women weren't being intentionally hypergamous, would that make our inceldom now tolerable, would be now be like - "oh ok, then its justified, carry on, you can't help yourself"

Of course not, intention matters very little relative to the end result of an action

If a mass shooter breaks into a school and a guy with a concealed carry opens fire on him, and mistakenly kills a 5 year old girl, he is fucked, his intention to protect the student body will matter very little, the media and society will demonize him, and the mass shooter will high five him

 

[littlemanhikicel]

7. Knows that getting a GF is the easiest part of ascension yet still wants to do it knowing what awaits him

This have no sense.
Getting a gf or ONS is the hardest or imposible for an incel. Do you think that if you get a gf she wouldn't let you fuck her?

 

[Ticcel]

A lot of different shit over many years at various intervals in my life, you could say I was drip fed the black pill and then at certain points in my life got large intravenous dosages lol

I got friendzoned around the age of 4 to 5, a few years later I got the "oh cute" rejection by a girl (she was way older, I was out of my league to be honest), and I also got black pilled about the importance of money to women on that day, summary below



From then on it was constant rejection after rejection from women, and more and more friendzoning, yet I kept wasting my time approaching, trying different ways to approach, swapping personality types, etc, nothing worked.

There was this trio of friends I was a part of, I thought it was going to be us against the world, I guess that was one of my copes, one of them killed themselves and the other is very blue pilled and I can't conceive of ever black pilling him, he is beyond help.

I started to realize that I was truly alone, not just in the aspect of romantic relationships, but even platonic relationships, nobody else seems to have the mental fortitude to think the way I do and accept that as a reality, at a certain point I just realized that me and only me can create the life I desire for myself and I can't include anyone else as having a "key role" in that plan, I have to live my life as though its just me, because you can't really depend on anyone but yourself





No, clown world is a psyop to make people complacent, nihilism just means not placing value in all the norms that a pre-established, it doesn't mean that you accept them, in fact its the exact opposite of accepting the world around you, I think people all to often conflate nihilism with doing nothing and letting the world walk all over you, and that's false, its turn the other cheek moralfags who have that mindset, a nihilist, someone who believes that nothing is sacred, is more likely to do some extreme shit that someone who is chained my rules.

Nihilists have no rules because none of the rules matter to us, all that matters is the end goal





Whether its intentional or not makes no difference, the end result is the same

If we knew without a doubt that women weren't being intentionally hypergamous, would that make our inceldom now tolerable, would be now be like - "oh ok, then its justified, carry on, you can't help yourself"

Of course not, intention matters very little relative to the end result of an action

If a mass shooter breaks into a school and a guy with a concealed carry opens fire on him, and mistakenly kills a 5 year old girl, he is fucked, his intention to protect the student body will matter very little, the media and society will demonize him, and the mass shooter will high five him

Damn. That’s explains a lot tbh. Unlike you, most of us were raised on the blue pill during the most impressionable part of our lives, the sensitive period. Most of us have to battle the bluepilled conditioning we were subjected to during our upbringing. I guess you’re immune to the blue pill because you weren’t really conditioned to believe in it. Tbh it’s hard for a lot of people here to be completely swallow black pilled due to they way they were raised. Maybe you should cut some of the people here some slack since they, unlike you, were raised believing the blue pill. Idk, I mean no offense. I’m a big believer in the idea that the sensitive periods pretty much molds your personality.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Getting a gf or ONS is the hardest or imposible for an incel.

My point exactly, you are misinterpreting the sentence, I'm not saying getting a GF is easy, its actually hard, I'm saying that its easier than what comes next, all the BS mind games you will have to play to keep said GF, all the stress to keep yourself from being cheated on and keeping her interested in you, its an endless uphill battle, your trials at "ascending" do not end at getting a GF, they only just began

Do you think that if you get a gf she wouldn't let you fuck her?

1. Who is to say you will even get to fuck her before she gets tired of you and trades up to a more attractive man, you could get a GF, and she is just leading you on because you are buying her nice things and making her feel special

2. If your goal is just sex, then getting a GF makes even less sense, you could simply escortcel and skip all the BS

Damn. That’s explains a lot tbh. Unlike you, most of us were raised on the blue pill during the most impressionable part of our lives

Yeah but still, it gets annoying seeing so many guys larp on but - "I'm black pilled" and they all still have blue pilled beliefs, it makes you wonder if they are just larps trolling, or they are unwilling to finally accept the black pill fully.

Seriously how many more years of rejection and failure do they have to go through to finally get it through their heads, a lot of these guys are one IOI away from going full white knight to protect a bitch, that shit is pathetic, and it feels dangerous, like you are amongst a bunch of sleeper agents, you might become buddy buddy with one of the users here, give him key details about your life, he finally "ascends" and boom now he's posting about you on reddit and trying to dox you

Or lets say you are planning to go ER, you told the user you trust the most about it, mabye even told them outside of the site on some other messaging platform, and unbeknownst to you, they finally got to kiss a girl recently and think they have a chance at ascending, so now they are playing "team normie", guess who is going to report your ass

Sorry these guys make the site feel not genuine, and it isn't safe with them around trying to play both sides and jump on whichever side seems like it is better for them, they have to be honest with themselves and make a choice.

I respect cucks more than I respect the half baked black pillers on this site, because at least they are honest with themselves and they've chosen their side, these guys on this site are trying to play both sides like fucking bitches, pick a damn side, if you are still trying to ascend you are basically just a sleeper agent in waiting, and you cannot be trusted

 

[Ticcel]

My point exactly, you are misinterpreting the sentence, I'm not saying getting a GF is easy, its actually hard, I'm saying that its easier than what comes next, all the BS mind games you will have to play to keep said GF, all the stress to keep yourself from being cheated on and keeping her interested in you, its an endless uphill battle, your trials at "ascending" do not end at getting a GF, they only just began



1. Who is to say you will even get to fuck her before she gets tired of you and trades up to a more attractive man, you could get a GF, and she is just leading you on because you are buying her nice things and making her feel special

2. If your goal is just sex, then getting a GF makes even less sense, you could simply escortcel and skip all the BS




Sorry these guys make the site feel not genuine, and it isn't safe with them around trying to play both sides and jump on whichever side seems like it is better for them, they have to be honest with themselves and make a choice.

I respect cucks more than I respect the half baked black pillers on this site, because at least they are honest with themselves and they've chosen their side, these guys on this site are trying to play both sides like fucking bitches, pick a damn side, if you are still trying to ascend you are basically just a sleeper agent in waiting, and you cannot be trusted

Imo, those here who were conditioned to believe the blue pill, including me, have two sides to them: the logical(blackpilled) side and the bluepilled(emotional side). I’m starting to believe that emotions and our knee-jerk reactions to things are based on programmed patterns of thinking that we resort to in a given situation. We were programmed to believe in the blue pill at a young age. As a result, that programming has developed into mental schemes that plague our logical thinking. I agree that this community should not condone blue pilled sentiments. I think logic and reason is the only way to overcome our conditioned blue pilled nature. I’ve have experimented with this idea myself. I used to be an extreme anxious person; however, after experimenting with nihilism and attempting to logically think my way out of anxiety, my anxiety has improved tremendously. Instead of allowing the programmed parts of brain to take over, I force myself to use the logical part of my brain. I like to think of emotions as chunks of code that basically follow a bunch of if-then statements, and the logical part of our brain like AI-code that is more logical and learning. This would only apply to those keep bouncing back and forwards between the pills. I’m sure many peolple here are trolls and infiltrators though. That’s just how I see all of this. Lol, maybe I’m just spewing none-sense though.

I meant schemas not schemes

 

[Deleted member 16390]

1. Not nihilistic

Nihilism – A Meaningless World
Shakespeare’s Macbeth eloquently summarizes existential nihilism's perspective, disdaining life:

• Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more; it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

by this definition, if life is meaningless, those who havent commited suicide and succeed yet is still blue pilled according to your "logic".

none of us here choose to be born, we have no power over that decision.
but those who choose the nihilistic path can choose to end their lives.


The BlackPill is a concept based on sight , the eye and how it connect to the brain, simple as that.
it's like breathing, whether they know it or not , doesnt matter. its what people do.
you dont need some other pill ideology to expound on the BlackPill.

 

[BlkPillPres]

by this definition, if life is meaningless, those who havent commited suicide and succeed yet is still blue pilled according to your "logic

Not that's by your logic, you are being disingenuous and attributing a set of actions to a mindset, it would be as if I said if you are a true pessimist, then by virtue of expecting the worst, you should give up on trying to do anything period, and if you go to work, practice hygiene, do anything with the intention of success at it, then you aren't a real pessimist "according to your logic"

Not that's complete BS and you know it, you are attributing a set of actions to a belief system

Also you pretty much went out of your way to find a very odd and specific definition to tailor your disingenous BS argument, one could simply google the word and get the oxford dictionary definition, which is plain and straight forward

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"The rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless."

Thinking that life is meaningless, doesn't by default mean - "ok i'll end it then"

That is not the only choice one can make with this perspective, one could also decide to simply reject all morals, religion, rules etc and do only things that are to their benefit, to derive maximum pleasure and enjoyment from life

What you are doing here is a false dichotomy

1. You are a nihilist so if you don't kill yourself you are blue pilled
2. You aren't a real nihilist

Its completely fallacious, nihilism, pessimism, etc are PERSPECTIVES, there are no rule sets of actions attached to these perspectives that one MUST DO other than what specifically defines said perspective, you are trying to force made up restrictions onto a definition to suit your argument

I'll never get people who feel the need to argue dishonestly like this, you know full well what you are doing

 

[Deleted member 16390]

Nihilism original meaning just mean nothing from the Latin word Nihil, it was first coined by the "Christians" those who believed there is a God.
but we know nothingness is a false concept, because matter and atoms exists.
one must understand the etymology, and concept behind everything before expounding.
Oxford is by no mean the authority of words and concepts


when you try to determine how "blackpilled" people are, to me its like nitpicking this guy is not breathing hard enough because he is not running a 5 minute mile.

mating is just one aspect of the BlackPill., am still seeking how the BlackPill affect things in other aspects of the world.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Nihilism original meaning just mean nothing from the Latin word Nihil, it was first coined by the "Christians" those who believed there is a God.
but we know nothingness is a false concept, because matter and atoms exists.
one must understand the etymology, and concept behind everything before expounding.
Oxford is by no mean the authority of words and concepts


when you try to determine how "blackpilled" people are, to me its like nitpicking this guy is not breathing hard enough because he is not running a 5 minute mile.

mating is just one aspect of the BlackPill., am still seeking how the BlackPill affect things in other aspects of the world.

Dude are you high or something, not one thing you said here pertains to the argument at hand or my response, its like you are trying to deflect from the argument

"Oxford is by no mean the authority of words and concepts"

Definitions of nihilism - OneLook

www.onelook.com

Have your pick, not one of those definitions imposes the ridiculous restrictions onto a nihilistic perspective that you are trying to do

Let me guess, none of those sources, even collectively are an authority, are you the authority then?

Just be honest and admit you were arguing disingenuously, you know full well your definition isn't an actual definition and is just you attaching actions to a perspective, it would be like if I said - "you aren't a real incel if you haven't or never plan on going ER".

An incel is just a man who is involuntarily celibate, that's it

 

[HateCurry]

It's funny I was this guy in my earlier days

The blackpill really saved me a lot of pain, I was more an egoist and I really did care about how I appear more than anything

Something I would still ask anyone (if they're reading this) because you obviously said goodbye couple of threads back; why do you think @BlkPillPres writes so well, puts his stuff together so well despite hating humanity and not caring about his appearance (i.e. how he appears to be online or otherwise, in text or otherwise)?