Blackpill [Hard To Swallow Edition] If You've Never Approached You Are Volcel (Women Aren't Supposed To Give You "Choosing Signals")

[HateCurry]

Where the fuck do you guys get these high ass standards when you are losers that no women like?, seriously?

That "10 year old boy with long hair" look is literally what a lot of highly paid super models in the US have. So I guess now fucking super models are beneath incels, right?

I don't even have a thing for white women, my preference is Asian, but I don't have ridiculous standards like this, I can still clearly see when any race or body type of woman is still attractive enough to date and marry.

I swear some of you guys have to be trolls, there's no way you are a self aware human being that thinks like this.

I'm not a troll, I'm a person in a bad situation, yes, I have high ass standards doesn't mean women don't live up to horribly low standards, I won't give them the privilege of dating up while dating down myself, I'll take revenge for my brothers.

 

[ItsOver4cel]

I was starting to tolerate some of your posts until you had to put out this idiocy
we have:
-Just moneymaxx bro
-Just approach brooo
-just seamaxx brooOOOO
sounds like something a simping PUA-tard would say, amazing how someone like this can call themselves blackpilled at all

Also lol at “just approach bro”
Approach where? Please tell me you’re not talking about approaching random whores in a Starbucks and using the latest quirky PUA line you learned the night before?
You need friends, you need to go out places, you need social proof.
Approaching women in parks, cafes, grocery stores etc is top-tier autism. Good luck doing that as someone who hasn’t managed to get laid before lol

Omg it doesn't work if you have to try from 1st minute.
How relationships are formed for normies/non-chad?
Man and woman meet each other at work/school/party/friend meetings/training/lectures or even if they often see each other in the same bus.
And then they start to talk and then mutual acceptance is created between them - sometimes it takes a few days, sometimes it takes a few weeks (probably it depends on how attractive man is).
And THEN man must ask the women out. He already knows that she accepts him, he already knows that she wants to meet with him so he ONLY THEN ask her out.
What I mean is: you don't fuking ask a women out of blue, you ask women that are interested in you and WHEN WOMEN LIKES YOU, SHE MAKE IT SO OBVIOUS THAT EVEN MOST RETARDED MAN WILL KNOW.

If you have to ask on a forum if this or that means that woman likes you - it probably doesn't, because women signals are so obvious like: putting her hand on your torso, often from behind when you sit, or she takes extra time when she hugs you "as friend" or she will try to rub her body against yours and if you are still fucking retarded her friends will simply tell you "yooo dude she very very likes you".

And that's the time when you ask a girl out, not fuking cold approaches on the street.

Cold approaches work for chad, not for you.

Therefore I don't agree with OP that not asking out = volcel.
If no woman never showed you that she is interested in you: IT'S OVER.

/thread

most normies don't even approach random foids on the street like a redpiller autist, they just socialcirclemaxx and call it a day once they're confident enough to ask the girl they like out

ironically though, OP thinking incels are oblivious basement dwellers because they don't believe in all the bullshit he says just makes him even more of a basement dweller

he has absolutely no understanding of how social relatioships work at all

 

[Bakedcrystal]

I have respect for those that do that and refer to themselves as volcels, and don't then complain about not having a GF or access to sex.

I have encountered zero of these individuals.

I know a guy like that IRL. He’s probably wouldn’t know what a Volcel is but he has no desire to have sex with women at all, I’m thinking he must be extremely low T

 

[Meus]

IOIs are absolutely a thing.

Expecting a girl to approach you is retarded but if she doesn't even fucking look at you or acknowledges your existence, approaching them is stupid.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I’m thinking he must be extremely low T

This is very likely the situation.

 

[I want to believe]

But let's be real. If a girl gives you one word answers, Dosn't really try to communicate with you and dosn't express an interest to be around you. Do you think she's being shy? Nah, she just dosn't like you.

It's not like i didn't try talking with girls, i've talked to a lot of them over the years. It just didn't make any difference, it was always the same. There was no interest if i didn't try talking with them. The momment i stopped writting messages or initiating conversations, everything died down. And do you expect me to after that, to declare my love to them? I'm sorry, i just cant.

Sounds familiar to me. Fuck them. By the way, as a subhuman, not getting blocked is the best I can get. JFL.

 

[Blighteous]

Would you approach a foid who doesn't even want to acknowledge your existence/never initiates conversations with you? You should only approach if you can at least talk to her in a friendly context. I'm talking about warm approaches BTW.

 

[lemon21]

Sounds familiar to me. Fuck them. By the way, as a subhuman, not getting blocked is the best I can get. JFL.

I didn't get blocked yet, i usually understand that if she dosn't respond to me within 24hs then she probably dosn't give a damn.

 

[Deleted member 9758]

IOIs are absolutely a thing.

Expecting a girl to approach you is retarded but if she doesn't even fucking look at you or acknowledges your existence, approaching them is stupid.

It's a be approached or simp world. Approaching women is grade A simping.

 

[I want to believe]

I didn't get blocked yet, i usually understand that if she dosn't respond to me within 24hs then she probably dosn't give a damn.

I mean, when you're conventionally ugly, foids usually either block or ignore you (meaning even if you write something to her, she doesn't reply). The best I could get is talking to a foid and I always had to initiate a convo every time. And she made it clear that she's not attracted to me sexually or romantically. So, it was pointless.

 

[Misogynist Curry 卐]

True, users like @Broly @Lycan and @Truckzo are indeed fakecels and should be annihilated.

 

[Toxic_Manbabby]

I could just say that if I wanted to approach more, there just isn't enough foids that I encounter that I CAN approach, mainly due to the fact that my mom will not take me to learn how to drive despite me being 26, and I live in one of the most car centric places possible. If I just stick to the places I DO go, such as my work; the foids there are mostly under 18, which will land me in trouble, even though the legal age of consent is actually 16 here; or old enough to be my mom.

 

[Shower_Taker]

In my opinion, the “signals” that a good looking man gets from women involve them not acting ambivalent by default.

Women nowadays seem to have a stone-cold facade 24/7 with people they’d wish they didn’t have to interact with (short replies, zero facial expressions, eyes on phone, monotonous tone, etc).

I think men who don’t get this ‘default’ attitude already have a huge advantage, regardless of whether they’re able to capitalize from it.

 

[ImvisibleForgotten]

[UWSL]If you are manlet (shorter by 1 inch or more in the region where you live), normie ethnic or ugly (facial deformation/asymmetry) it doesn't matter.[/UWSL][UWSL] [/UWSL][UWSL]Although there are many autistic people who don't have these characteristics and never tried, there are also idiots (not under 5) who use Tinder and because they don't have much attention they think they're incels.[/UWSL]

 

[Babica Yaga]

Easy to say if you don't live in the Netherlands. Avg foid height here is 175cm (5'9). Gl approaching girls if you're a 170cm (5'7) manlet. Literally have to look up to a foid and get heightmogged to oblivion. Why even try when the chance is slim to nil? Even tall Chads barely have a coin toss success rate with pickup art, let alone incels lol. Social circle /vacation/geo maxx is the only way

 

[Truckzo]

True, users like @Broly @Lycan and @Truckzo are indeed fakecels and should be annihilated.

cope i have approached foids and failed


i have added random foids on social media and failed



clown

 

[Qwertyuiop99]

I've only approached twice (and got rejected both times), but I have gotten absolutely zero right swipes through Tinder, and irl, women are just generally disgusted whenever I'm near them, and I can tell. Sometimes they ew at me or outright refuse to work with me. And I'm not in grade school, I'm in university.

Also, I have sent my face to multitudes of women. The average rating I got from them was a 4. On TRM a couple years ago, I got a 4. One girl I know sent my face to several of her friends and they all called me ugly.

And I'm 6'2", skinny, I dress nice, have good hygiene, clear skin, and I wear cologne. This is easily top 0.1% in America if you aren't factoring in actual physical facial features. Yet I've been browsing here for years due to women simply finding my face being too ugly. The bar is just set way too high for most men.

Freshman/sophomore is the best moment to try ascending?

 

[Reclusemaxxer]

It’s all common sense if you’re ugly then women won’t like you it’s not rocket science

 

[Deleted member 40252]

I approached/tried to date in high school and in college a few times with foids that where around my smv, got brutally rejected each time. Gave up after that

 

[ordinaryotaku]

Freshman/sophomore is the best moment to try ascending?

I honestly don't even know anymore tbh.

 

[bilal0991]

Never said anything about easy or hard, just said that you have to do it if you want to get a woman, and in order to legitimately be an incel and not just some volcel retard.

If women want children they have to endure 9 months of carrying the baby in their womb, and then hours of extremely painful labor in a hospital giving birth. That shit doesn't sound easy to me and I doubt it sounds easy to any woman, but they don't have a fucking choice if they want a family and children. It's just part of being a woman, just like having to approach and face rejection is part of being a man.

 

[tragedy person]

yes i have approached countless fucking times but it's on the internet because that's where everyone does it and get a girlfriend am i wrong ?

 

[BlkPillPres]

yes i have approached countless fucking times but it's on the internet because that's where everyone does it and get a girlfriend am i wrong ?

You don't get the girlfriend until you meet in person, so no, that's not approaching. If anything the approaching only happens when you meet in person. If who you are in person doesn't reflect the online persona you portrayed you'll still be rejected, that's what it's only the in person interaction that matters.

Anybody can lie and take good photos to make themselves seem more special than they are online. In fact this is what most women do.

 

[tragedy person]

You don't get the girlfriend until you meet in person, so no, that's not approaching. If anything the approaching only happens when you meet in person. If who you are in person doesn't reflect the online persona you portrayed you'll still be rejected, that's what it's only the in person interaction that matters.

Anybody can lie and take good photos to make themselves seem more special than they are online. In fact this is what most women do.

still thats how half of the population in my country do it

 

[ResidentHell]

When you think about it, OP is kind of right. I dont think the label of "incel" is something that can just be thrown around like its meaning can be altered in any way you want. If foids can just use the term "incel" as ad hominem to ridicule or shame normie men for expressing anti-feminist or misogynist views (like they did to Andrew Tate), it shows how easily the use of the term "incel" can be blown out of proportion by people when they try to mould a negative opinion of someone, despite the fact that "incel" has a fixed textbook definition.

If you actually have the opportunity to approach, and you dont approach, its not fair for you to complain about difficulty in getting sex from women. There are several factors that place men at extreme disadvantage in the sex market (like low height, ugly face, no frame, autism, "non-whiteness"). But it doesnt prove failure is absolutely certain for all men who are disadvantaged in sex market due to lack of genetic traits that attract women.

However there's something that OP may have failed to consider: the "rabbit hole of standards attrition".

If you decide to approach foids primarily with the intention to receive sex from them, you will be motivated to lower your standards, but only if you fail to receive sex from the first foid you approach. Because you would know that the lower the female's SMV, the less in demand she will (ideally) be. Which ultimately means the uglier the female, the easier it would be to convince her to sex. In recent years, more men have resorted to using Juggernaut Law because of their inability to succeed in receiving sex from high-tier foids via PUA approach (based on my observation). If I'm right, this would be a clear indicator of standards attrition becoming more common in men, because the only reason why men will lower their standards for foids (excluding men with absolutely zero standards), is because of the difficulty they experience in their attempt to receive sex from prettier foids.

Many normies have allowed themselves to settle for sex with literal LTBs / subhuman females, because they failed to receive sex from Stacies and Stacylites, and were mentally prepared to descend into the "rabbit hole of standards attrition" just to recieve sex from foid. Its likely that standards attrition in men was enabled by the inflated standards of modern women (due to hypergamy and social media convergence). Multiple research studies from recent years have indicated that hypergamy is negatively affecting a wider proportion of men in the sex market. More and more foids are allowing their sexual relations to be restricted to the same minority of men. Whereas more and more men are either becoming celibate, having sex with uglier foids or having sex with foids at a deceasing rate.

Personally, I dislike the idea of Juggernaut Law. I'd rather stick with slaying high-tier escorts for life than lower my standards solely for the purpose to receive sex from foid via PUA. It dont mean I'm against approach with foids. Ive tried before and failed (when I was idiot), but will try again in future. Just would rather escortmaxx than juggernaut.

 

[BlkPillPres]

However there's something that OP may have failed to consider: the "rabbit hole of standards attrition".

You aren't going to get that after 30 or so approaches. I only approached around 30 to 40 times. Different races of women, same age group (20's), around 5/10 to 4/10 in looks. Never encountered a legit 3/10 IRL.

Nobody is saying you have to approach 1000+ times over years, but you atleast have to approach 20 or so times to KNOW you are incel, and it can't be that you only approached blonde stacies either.

 

[ResidentHell]

Ive tried before few times with mid-tier ethnic foids and suffered brutal rejection, but was when I was . I cant bring myself to approach 4/10. Only in the past few months I really understood the . Will try again, but 5 - 6 / 10 is the lowest I will go. Still would rather escortmax than juggernaut.

 

[ConservativeCel]

A lot of incels (the LDAR type) like to pretend that we have a lot less options than we actually do, so that they can give themselves the excuse to not do the things required to pursue those options.

There is literally nothing stopping any incel from moving to South East Asia, Eastern Europe, etc, and getting married to a woman in a country with favorable laws, structuring their marriage contract so that if she leaves she gets nothing, etc. Or simply moving to those countries to explore sex tourism.

All we have to do is actually spend a decade trying to build some kind of financial success (that's a lot of fucking time, especially for incels who have no social life and a lot of free time on our hands).

Eastern Europe is exactly the same as USA/Western Europe when it comes to hypergamy. Even in the more poor countries there you won't betabuxx anyone with a 3/10 face. Estonia and Lithuania are projected to overtake Italy with regard to GDP per capita soon. Slovenia already has a higher HDI rating than France. All these countries are the same feminocracies as the "Old West". Crucially, these are white countries, so no JBW, sir. As to SEA, I don't know, if it works for some in Thailand, OK, but then the main reason is JBW and not anything else.

 

[Wintersknight]

I'm tired of seeing incels saying that they've never approached and that they are incel and belong here. Shit like this always reads as a troll post, I can just imagine some 6ft tallfag that plays video games at home all day and doesn't approach women because "it feels weird" or "I'm high inhib". That's bullshit.

THERE ARE OBVIOUS EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE, BUT THEY ARE RARE AND THEY DON'T MAKE THE RULE.

The average incel on this site isn't some super ugly trucel, we need to stop this meme shit. Literally every face pic I've been sent for a rating was some average looking fuck, that looks no different that the guys who I see dating, and most of these guys that have sent the pics are taller than me.

This forum is either lfilled with trolls pretending to be fakecel tallfags, or it's literally filled with fakecel tallfags.

Lets stop pretending like all of you guys are bottom of the barrel and completely hideous, that's bullshit.

We need to stop the spread of this "volcel culture" nonsense.

If you haven't approached and you don't have a significant and visible physical defect, or a significant mental defect that ruins your communication skills, you shouldn't be calling yourself "incel". You could literally just be some fucking retard that's keeping himself from getting laid because he doesn't want to put any effort in and risk feeling rejection.

You could literally just be ruining your life because you are a coward and you don't want to face true rejection.

An incel who has never approached coming to this forum, is like someone who can't swim because they never tried, joining a forum of people who have almost drowned multiple times and stopped swimming because they learned they had some kind of disability.

WE
ARE
NOT
THE
SAME

The litmus test for "am I incel?" isn't "I don't get Chad treatment" ("choosing signals").

What kind of backwards ass bullshit standard is that?

What a lot of you are basically saying is "If you aren't Chad you're an incel". A woman not giving you "positive reinforcement" through IOI's (Indicators Of Interest = Choosing Signals) DOES NOT MAKE YOU INCEL (most men don't get that shit).

It doesn't work like that, a lot of normie men (most men) don't get any positive reinforcement at all. They have to approach and keep getting rejected until a woman finally is willing to date and/or fuck them. Those few "wins" then becomes their positive reinforcement.

You can't argue that you are incel just because multiple women aren't giving you IOI's.

Any man on here saying otherwise sounds as delusional as the 20 year old virgin (incel) guy Kevin Samuels is talking to in this video
(he's using retard tier logic):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqs-TQLzhA

Not 6ft tall
Broke as hell (making way less than average - 10K a year, average is 30K)
Morbidly Obese: Enter his stats into this visualizer, the fucking scale doesn't even go up to his weight lol (https://www.bmivisualizer.com/)
Isn't facially attractive
Knows he doesn't have a big dick
Etc, etc, etc

Yet he has the gall to go around thinking that women should be giving him "choosing signals" (positive reinforcement) so that he'll know that he should approach them. That's fucking ridiculous.

Women have all of these options today and you think they are going to go around giving average and below average men IOI's to approach them????

We can't go around talking about hypergamy and how unrealistic women's standards are, but we have retards on here trying to make it seem like it's not the man's role to approach when it comes to romantic courtship, and that women are supposed to be giving them "positive reinforcement" for them to approach first.

That's not how this shit works, it's never worked like that. You can't just now make up new rules and now everybody is fucking incel because they refuse to do what 99% of all men have to do (approach).

Wether or not a guy has to approach, if you were good looking enough as a guy, you'd get females looking at you or being open to talk to you. You can tell when people are open to acknowledging you by if you get their attention or how they react around you . . Isn't this what you have to look for.? People who arnt avoiding eye contact or avoiding to talk. I just figured that if noone looks at me and I'm invisible they want nothing to do with me.

The reason a lot of us don't approach is because we know Literally no females find us attractive physically because of tinder. I used that for years and swiped on everybody in every town of my country and everywhere, everytime it was the same. Not one average non fat match. If we can all tell from online that literally not one normal person is willing to even give us a meaningless match why would they want anything to do with us in person especially when they have options and are all likely talking to multiple guys.

The litmus test for "am I incel?" isn't "I don't get Chad treatment" ("choosing signals").

But the thing is that they all want "Chad" they °only° want "Chad" because that's all they swipe on so if they wouldn't swipe on you why would they want anything to do with you in person.

Personally I don't approach not just because I get no looks which makes me think that they couldn't care less and find me unattractive, but because I couldnt get matches, and sometimes they laugh at me when I'm driving or give me foul looks, they often put their head down when walking near me or stop talking with each other when theyre approaching me in the street or just give horrible sideways glances or looks of distrust. They all swiped no so I already know they'd want nothing to do with me.
It's not a numbers game. Either alot find you attractive or none do, as tinder shows.

If you know they consider most men ugly and they've treated you like a leper for years then why bother. Of the couple times I had approached during my 20s I had no success.

 

[OGcel]

i did approach look at me now

 

[BlkPillPres]

Wether or not a guy has to approach, if you were good looking enough as a guy, you'd get females looking at you or being open to talk to you.

Wrong, women don't even flirt like men do, unless you are Chad they expect you to make the first move (and even in the case of Chad they mostly expect him to make the first move).

But once again:

The litmus test for "am I incel?" isn't "I don't get Chad treatment" ("choosing signals").

What you are basically saying is you have to get Chad treatment to approach, and that's bullshit because most guys don't get that. The average guy has to approach and make a woman notice him. Women rarely even "give signals" to average man.

But the thing is that they all want "Chad" they °only° want "Chad" because that's all they swipe on so if they wouldn't swipe on you why would they want anything to do with you in person.

There are average looking men in relationships, wtf are you talking about?

Guys like you literally represent the "basement dweller" meme, you speak as if you never walk outside and look at reality. There are average men in relationships. Do you know how fucking high the crime rate would be right now if only Chad was getting laid.

If you know they consider most men ugly and they've treated you like a leper for years then why bother.

By that logic every 6'5" with a 4/10 face that has never approached is incel too, and he has no reason to approach to see if he can get one woman that has a height fetish that would be willing to date him.

The point of approaching is to KNOW that you are LEGITIMATELY incel and that you've exhausted ALL OF YOUR "NORMIE" OPTIONS.

So that you can be fully secure in an alternative path in life and not have any doubts.

The guys who never approach are the guys who end up refusing to pay for sex, because they have not TRULY come to terms with the fact that they are undesirable, because they never faced enough rejection to COMPLETELY CEMENT IN THEIR MINDS THAT THEY HAVE NO CHANCE.

This is why we have so many copers on this site clinging onto the possibility of "ascension" and refusing to just fuck escorts or prostitutes. These are the same fuckers that barely approached or never approached even once, and that allows them to cope because "I haven't really tried" and "things could change in the future".

Your way of operating just creates half assed coping incels that can't choose a path in life.

Of the couple times I had approached during my 20s I had no success.

That's what's supposed to happen, so that you can know where you stand in life, and know your lane.

I have no doubt in my mind that I have any chance, or that I want anything to do with a "normie life", and that's exactly why I don't have the ego, moral code, or personal hangups of the average incel here (which limits their options and holds them back in life).

It's exactly because I've faced enough rejection and put myself out there that I don't have any doubts.

 

[Wintersknight]

Wrong, women don't even flirt like men do, unless you are Chad they expect you to make the first move (and even in the case of Chad they mostly expect him to make the first move).

But once again:


What you are basically saying is you have to get Chad treatment to approach, and that's bullshit because most guys don't get that. The average guy has to approach and make a woman notice him. Women rarely even "give signals" to average man.


There are average looking men in relationships, wtf are you talking about?

Guys like you literally represent the "basement dweller" meme, you speak as if you never walk outside and look at reality. There are average men in relationships. Do you know how fucking high the crime rate would be right now if only Chad was getting laid.


By that logic every 6'5" with a 4/10 face that has never approached is incel too, and he has no reason to approach to see if he can get one woman that has a height fetish that would be willing to date him.

The point of approaching is to KNOW that you are LEGITIMATELY incel and that you've exhausted ALL OF YOUR "NORMIE" OPTIONS.

So that you can be fully secure in an alternative path in life and not have any doubts.

The guys who never approach are the guys who end up refusing to pay for sex, because they have not TRULY come to terms with the fact that they are undesirable, because they never faced enough rejection to COMPLETELY CEMENT IN THEIR MINDS THAT THEY HAVE NO CHANCE.

This is why we have so many copers on this site clinging onto the possibility of "ascension" and refusing to just fuck escorts or prostitutes. These are the same fuckers that barely approached or never approached even once, and that allows them to cope because "I haven't really tried" and "things could change in the future".

Your way of operating just creates half assed coping incels that can't choose a path in life.


That's what's supposed to happen, so that you can know where you stand in life, and know your lane.

I have no doubt in my mind that I have any chance, or that I want anything to do with a "normie life", and that's exactly why I don't have the ego, moral code, or personal hangups of the average incel here (which limits their options and holds them back in life).

It's exactly because I've faced enough rejection and put myself out there that I don't have any doubts.

So how many of them Did you actually approach...

I get there's other factors outside of online that contribute towards wether someone will consider you, I just found it personally demoralizing to know not a single normal person in my country is willing to even swipe on me over the years I tried, that kind of information can really mess you up, I think I approached only about 4 or maybe 5 times since the years I started using that app . I thought that if noone would be ok with the way I looked on there that it'd be pointless in real life even if I could get someone after knowing they'd never swipe on me or find me remotely attractive. Who wants to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't even find you at all attractive.. you need some level of that there...


I think that's pretty much the reason why alot of guys don't fully jump in the deep end and go all out with approaching aside from having no balls, it's the idea that things arnt as bad as you tell yourself and that feeling that there's a chance, that you arnt really that bad. A guy without hope is lost. Hope and motivation is what drive us and to admit to yourself you're just not good enough and can't change that is a pretty sobering hard thing for people.
Without the idea of a partner man's whole purpose in life is gone, everything to some degree revolves around it.


And about that normal/average guys in relationships thing, yeah I see that all the time and not just tall guys either alot of short and visibly unattractive facially guys who don't dress nice either have non fat alright looking partners and to me it makes NO SENSE that's what I'm basically on a quest to find out.
Really
I just can't understand how it happens... It's obvious that none of these girls would swipe their partners on tinder because if she's white not fat and under 30 they simply won't swipe anyone who isn't conventionally attractive and they all have this same copy and pasted standards mentality so my thoughts are , are most girls who are in relationships with average or below guys in relationships with guys they don't find physically attractive??? Because they wouldn't of swiped them online...

Which leads me to ask why are they with them.. these guys arnt rich.
Wt are they getting out of it when they could go online and get a guy who looks good.

And how did it happen? My guess is through social circles. I'm guessing that's how all these people ended up together. Social conditioning being exposed to someone for a while and the guy basically talks them into it cause they're round them a lot and the female reluctantly goes along with it but the guy has a pretty much dead bedroom


I've only had one friend or associate who got a decent looking partner every other one went with people lower usually always obese or foreign.
Anyway I remember this girl saying at their house party that she "is actually attracted to him" and it sounded so fake and forced. Also the fact that she felt a need to actually say that to someone says a lot.

I'm guessing most of these girls with these average guys are probably miserable or in relationships that lack anything really physical.

Either way what I don't get is how alot of actually ugly guys I see around town are in relationships yet I get treated like I have the plague. looks of avoidance or nasty cautious sideways looks, sometimes ews or just general looks of shock or disproval. I can't get a average partner for a dead bedroom relationship, I can't even get in the friend zone. I think my problem is that I just have some off-putting look about me or I look even worse than those others. Noone has honestly told me where I stand. I mean I've had no matches and the reactions and been called ugly a few times but I don't know how far I am from just being normal or what

 

[Wintersknight]

Ive been approaching sloots here and there in the clubs full of chads, 99% rejection I think my approach count is still below 100 times . But the rejection Hurts like hell , i prefer getting punched in the face ngl

What do you actually look like and how tall? Would you show how you look?

 

[Wintersknight]

@BlkPillPres I am more than willing to put at least a 100K in my 6 inch LL as well as a couple years for adjustment. Life under 6'5 is simply isn't worth it in 2022.

Are you rich or something

 

[Wintersknight]

Cold approaches basically only work if you're Chad and even then you're going to have like a 95% fail rate. Only toilets have a 100% success rate with "day game".

Approaching a toilet is more than "day game", it's also approaching toilets you may be friends with (female friends aren't "friendzoning" you, to be friendzoned you must first be actively rejected or had a date not evolve into romance, I've both been friendzoned and have naturally gotten female friends, the difference is night and day), likewise you can ask other toilets out like those in the same hobby groups.

A lot of users here are absolute Fakecels that can make it if they weren't such cowards.

This forum should only be for absolute Truecels like us.

I don't think "chads" success rate would be that low. I mean look at that asshole connor murphy.. guy has to actively try (poorly) to get rejected. Lost his mind went bat shit crazy and instead of driving females away he became like a cult leader and had harems. These assholes get ridiculous amounts of options

 

[Indari]

Cold approach is for desperate autists and outgoing Chads. I don't know why this autism is touted so much in these spaces. That's not how social interaction works. For 99% of normie relationships, mutual interest is shown throughout previous social interactions before one asks out the other. Expecting a guy who has barely talked to another human before to have the constitution to ram his head at a brick wall over and over trying to cold approach is unrealistic.

 

[IncelWithHate]

Eastern Europe is exactly the same as USA/Western Europe when it comes to hypergamy. Even in the more poor countries there you won't betabuxx anyone with a 3/10 face. Estonia and Lithuania are projected to overtake Italy with regard to GDP per capita soon. Slovenia already has a higher HDI rating than France. All these countries are the same feminocracies as the "Old West". Crucially, these are white countries, so no JBW, sir. As to SEA, I don't know, if it works for some in Thailand, OK, but then the main reason is JBW and not anything else.

In a sense, JBW does apply to all white countries. White foids will take a white male over almost any ethnic male. Very, very few exceptions. For example, white melvin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ethnic chad 9/10. Even if it might be betabuxx.

 

[Sheogorath]

The average incel on this site isn't some super ugly trucel, we need to stop this meme shit.

I guess this depends on where you distinguish 'normal ugly' from 'super ugly'.
Also I think we should find a different term than 'trucel' because it implies anyone not meeting your standard is 'fake'.
Something like 'ultracel' maybe.

Literally every face pic I've been sent for a rating was some average looking fuck, that looks no different that the guys who I see dating, and most of these guys that have sent the pics are taller than me.

Not sure why you think being taller than yourself means someone will ascend if they approach.

Also regarding there being guys you see "dating" that doesn't mean those guys are actually getting laid, or that they aren't being cucked.

Plus they may have differences beside whether or not they approach, such as how wealthy they are, or their social connections.

This forum is either lfilled with trolls pretending to be fakecel tallfags, or it's literally filled with fakecel tallfags.

Height isn't enough in isolation anymore unless you're a 6'5" or something bro.

Lets stop pretending like all of you guys are bottom of the barrel and completely hideous, that's bullshit.

Nobody's ever "completely" hideous, it's an approximation.
As for who qualifies as 'bottom of the barrel' I guess that depends on the barrel's width.

We need to stop the spread of this "volcel culture" nonsense.
If you haven't approached and you don't have a significant and visible physical defect, or a significant mental defect that ruins your communication skills, you shouldn't be calling yourself "incel".

I have significant defects which ruin my communication skills, and I have in the past (mostly teens/20s) approached girls in a very clumsy and cautious way, because I was (and am) terrified of coming across as too pushy and making them scared.

Despite this, my manner was described as "creepy" to my face. I should have seen that coming, but I didn't.

I'm not going to fault other celibates for having more foresight than me and predicting in advance this would happen and not wasting their time.

It doesn't make them fakecels just because they have better intuition than I do about an imminent failure.

You could literally just be some fucking retard that's keeping himself from getting laid because he doesn't want to put any effort in and risk feeling rejection.

At what point do you tolerate someone not spending every free moment on a fruitless pursuit?
Yeah I do fear rejection and dislike putting the effort in.
That's why after a moderate amount of rejections and effort I realized I was just repeating the same failed strategy and wasting my time.

Other people don't need to suffer as much as I did to qualify as my brethren.
If they foresaw this failure by observing the world around them - it just means they're less cucked than I was and avoid failed investments.
My being a slower learner doesn't make me a truer incel, just one who was bluepilled longer.

You could literally just be ruining your life because you are a coward and you don't want to face true rejection.

Ruination is an exaggeration for life.
It seems to me like you're describing a girl falling into your lap if you just brute-force approach techniques.
Even if brute-force hacking until you find a girl semi-compatible gets you a date with them, the date will tend to fail.
Even if you brute-force failed dates until you get a 2nd date, you're still probably going to get cucked with chad.

At what point of being cucked does a man qualify to give up and spend his resources more wisely?

An incel who has never approached coming to this forum, is like someone who can't swim because they never tried

Swimming is a skill you can more reliably attain than seducing women.

joining a forum of people who have almost drowned multiple times and stopped swimming because they learned they had some kind of disability.
WE ARE NOT THE SAME

Your analogy sucks though, anybody (unless you're Terry Crews - he sinks due to his muscle mass) can learn to float with some discipline and confidence.
The same genetic barriers do not exist in swimming as they do in dating.
Hell being a chubby fuck helps you float.

The litmus test for "am I incel?" isn't "I don't get Chad treatment" ("choosing signals").

There isn't any litmus test.

Absolute involuntariness doesn't technically exist, we are describing a continuum of progressively reduced chance.

What a lot of you are basically saying is "If you aren't Chad you're an incel".

The first requirement for being incelibate is being celibate.
We need to argue first what that actually means before moving onto arguing the 'involuntary' criteria.
We're putting the cart before the horse because even celibacy is confusing.

Escortcels are emotionally celibate (no validation by relationship and free sex) but not physically celibate (they have sex) for example.
Outright blatent whoring isn't the only kind of transactional sex though (betabuxers) which means where to draw the line on resource trading blurs.

A woman not giving you "positive reinforcement" through IOI's (Indicators Of Interest = Choosing Signals) DOES NOT MAKE YOU INCEL (most men don't get that shit).

Lack of IOI are literally what sets escortcels apart though.
The emcel component is important here.

It doesn't work like that, a lot of normie men (most men) don't get any positive reinforcement at all. They have to approach and keep getting rejected until a woman finally is willing to date and/or fuck them. Those few "wins" then becomes their positive reinforcement.

The wililngness to date which precedes the sex is actually the first reinforcement.

You can't argue that you are incel just because multiple women aren't giving you IOI's.

You should stop using an apostrophe there, it doesn't work like that BPP

Any man on here saying otherwise sounds as delusional as the 20 year old virgin (incel) guy Kevin Samuels is talking to in this video
(he's using retard tier logic):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqs-TQLzhA

5min vid, which part do you mean?

Not 6ft tall
Broke as hell (making way less than average - 10K a year, average is 30K)
Morbidly Obese: Enter his stats into this visualizer, the fucking scale doesn't even go up to his weight lol (https://www.bmivisualizer.com/)
Isn't facially attractive
Knows he doesn't have a big dick
Etc, etc, etc
Yet he has the gall to go around thinking that women should be giving him "choosing signals" (positive reinforcement) so that he'll know that he should approach them. That's fucking ridiculous.

The reason he expects that or wants it is so that he doesn't get jailed for "creeping" on her.
This is the risk ugly men face in approaching women and asking for her phone number and stuff if they're sub-Chad.

Women have all of these options today and you think they are going to go around giving average and below average men IOI's to approach them????

No, because they're not interested in fucking us, and probably won't unless it's in a very iffy circumstance.

We can't go around talking about hypergamy and how unrealistic women's standards are, but we have retards on here trying to make it seem like it's not the man's role to approach when it comes to romantic courtship, and that women are supposed to be giving them "positive reinforcement" for them to approach first.

BPP all we're talking about is something like a smile in our direction that makes them seem approachable.

That's not how this shit works, it's never worked like that. You can't just now make up new rules and now everybody is fucking incel because they refuse to do what 99% of all men have to do (approach).

It has always worked like that for Chad, Chad might be the one to initiate dating or sex but he still gets signals from girls who like him.